Should the Georgia Bulldogs Retire David Pollack's No. 47 Jersey?
The news of David Pollack's retirement from football is, of course, no longer news; it may not even have been news at the time it was announced, as the handwriting has been on the wall for a while now. However, the timing of the beloved Georgia great's official retirement coincided with randomterrace's advocacy of retiring Pollack's jersey, prompting perhaps the most forthright poll question in Dawg Sports history: "Should David Pollack's No. 47 jersey be retired?"
The voting was closer than I anticipated. I figured the pros would run something like ten-to-one over the cons. Instead, 89 of 142 total voters (62.7%) favored placing Pollack's number in the trophy case alongside Nos. 21, 34, 40, and 62, while fully 53 voters (37.3%) opposed randomterrace's idea.

Personally, I'm more interested in seeing Pollack standing on the Sanford Stadium sideline than in seeing him enshrined in Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall, but I had not expected more than one-third of those taking part in the poll to give this one the thumbs-down. I'm not criticizing, but I am curious. I would be most appreciative if those of you who opposed the notion of retiring David Pollack's jersey would be kind enough to offer your reasons in the comments below or (like fotodog did) provide a rationale at greater length in the diaries to your right.
I'm not calling out those who voted nay; I was just surprised by the relatively narrow margin and I'm genuinely interested in hearing why this particular corner of Bulldog Nation took the position that it did.
Go 'Dawgs!
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Should UGA retire # 47?
I have not commented here up to this point, but the request posted this morning, to see the counter argument to retiring DP's jersey, piqued my interest, as I was one of those opposed... I weighed the pros and the cons, and will gladly share the reasoning that led to `mho'...
Let me start by saying that I believe that DP was one of the greatest players ever at UGA... Now, let's dissect that statement...
"I believe" - (everybody has an opinion...)
"DP" - (aka David Pollack appearing as No. 47...)
"was" - (is? Maybe...)
"one of" - (~here is where it gets tricky~) "the greatest players ever at UGA"
Was/Is he top 50? Probably... Top 10? I'm not sure... An argument can certainly be made for that... and for your poll question, he would have needed/been required/ to rank in the TOP FIVE to receive that honor, (following logically from the fact that there currently are four players already in that "club")
The conundrum is mentioned on this site, "... the practice of retiring jerseys was discontinued for practical reasons (with 85 scholarship athletes, plus walk-ons, there are only so many of the jersey numbers from 1 through 99 that can be retired before current players have to start doubling up), although I do not know how ironclad a policy this is."
The extremes are:
If we let everyone in, then it is not an elite `club'...
If we don't let anyone in, it does not exist...
So, we are left with something in the middle, and as long as it is subjective, "judged" (not quantitatively, i.e. someone makes 10,000 tackles gets in and with 9,999 tackles you don't get in), then it falls to the decisions of men/women...
The other reason, and possibly the more convoluted, is that I don't think his number should be retired so soon... (The obvious counter-argument to this, is that his stats are not going to change, and if he should get in, then let him in now...) With that, I respectfully disagree... IMO, it is more of an "honor" if you are not judged `worthy' by your contemporaries, but instead by a subsequent generation...
I realize that DP had certain "intangible" qualities, ala no. 34, that get lost in the numbers, (as yet, I am not aware of an RPM statistic, and DP's proverbial motor was always running, although I always thought of him more along the lines of having an internal combustion engine, but I digress) but other former players, and some of our current players have that too... (KM comes to mind, wow that kid has springs in his pads)
In summation, I would not be upset in the least if/when his number is retired... just not yet...
Cheers!
by cookin and smilin on May 2, 2008 10:44 AM EDT 0 recs
I voted nay.
Frank Sinkwich -Heisman, AP Athlete of the Year (over Ted Williams!), CFB HOF, records galore, etc. etc. 'nuff said.
Herschel Walker -Heisman, frosh records, Best CFB RB of All Time, 3-time AA, CFB HOF, etc. etc. 'nuff said.
Charley Trippi -Maxwell Award, Rose Bowl MVP, WWII Veteran, Top 25 CFB Player of All Time, CFB HOF.
David Pollack -Bednarik Award, Hendricks Award, Lombardi Award, Lott Trophy, 3-time AA.
There seem to be too many d*mn awards these days. Although his distinction as only the second 3-time AA in UGA history is quite impressive and that Bednarik (should be a Nagurski in there too) is nice, IMO his pedigree doesn't quite stack up.
Granted, he recovered that amazing touchdown/interception against USC, but did we win a National Title? Not to take anything away from our 2002 season, but we still lost to [name redacted]. He was the heart and soul of our D for 3 years and he had a motor that never ran out of gas, but is that worthy of jersey retirement? If Pollack had a signature win or was a BCS Bowl MVP, I could see it. Maybe when/if he gets inducted into the CFB HOF...
(i think he will be, so maybe we can talk again then)
by dawgaddict on May 2, 2008 11:20 AM EDT 0 recs
What?
As far as records galore, Pollack is the all-time UGA sack leader (in only three years) and a member of (I believe) the all-time winningest senior class in Georgia history.
As far as the national championship goes, Pollack interception/handoff in the Florida game sends us to the big show if the refs don't blow the call, and our team that year was as good or better than the LSU and Florida teams that won the last two national championships.
by randomterrace on May 2, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs
Ah yes...
As c&s makes the point above, in hindsight maybe that game (or Sapp himself) was not so important, which is why these things should be done by the next generation of Dawg fans, who have some perspective?
2) Defeating Tech in the 1950's equals beating Tech in the 2000's?
No wait, actually your argument is silly.
Tech's dominance of the series in the 50's is equitable to UF's dominance of the series in the 90's.
Which is why I made the point about Pollack's losses to a BAD [name redacted] team. We should've taken that game out of the hands of the ref, let's not pretend we have a National Championship for 2002, mmm'kay?
And let's not comment on the accomplishments of the team as a whole (most wins by a senior class 2004, team was better than UF 2006 or LSU 2007) as if they are entirely relevant to the argument regarding #47 for retirement.
4 awards for one player. (all nice, not detracting from their value)
How many of those awards even existed when Charley Trippi or Theron Sapp or Frank Sinkwich played ball? Or even when Herschel Walker dominated the game? Only one, by my count.
I'm not criticizing the Savior, I just don't think its time to start retiring jersey's..
by dawgaddict on May 2, 2008 12:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Seriously?
by randomterrace on
May 2, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Another point...
What about someone wearing a #10? Do you think of Francis scratching a play in the dirt? Or Eric? Or...
I like to see numbers worn and remember fondly their predecessors that 'shared' that number...
Call me sentimental or even selfish... I enjoy reminiscing, and when a number gets retired, you take that away from me...
by cookin and smilin on May 2, 2008 1:53 PM EDT 0 recs
I had not considered this particular point . . .
No. 10 is an excellent example, as a Georgia fan's generation probably has quite a lot to do with whether he associates that jersey with Fran Tarkenton, Larry Rakestraw, Ray Goff, or Eric Zeier.
With whom do you associate No. 4, Bucky Dilts or Champ Bailey? No. 5, Kevin Butler or Garrison Hearst? No. 12, Mike Cavan or John Lastinger? No. 14, Kirby Moore or Terry Hoage? No. 24, Horace King or Lindsay Scott? No. 57, Happy Dicks or Mo Lewis? No. 60, Pat Dye or Steve Greer? No. 87, Pat Hodgson or Troy Sadowski?
I can think of no famous No. 21s besides Frank Sinkwich, no famous No. 40s besides Theron Sapp, and no famous No. 62s besides Charley Trippi. The most famous No. 34 before Herschel Walker was Buzy Rosenberg.
There have, however, been numerous famous No. 47s in Bulldog history: Jim Griffith, Nate Taylor, and Robert Edwards all wore that jersey before David Pollack, so our association with No. 47 is not confined solely to one player, as is the case with the other retired jerseys.
Here is an interesting complicating factor: Robert Edwards has a compelling case for being in 1997 what what Theron Sapp had been 40 years before; namely, "The Drought Breaker" whose performance snapped the Red and Black's longest losing skid against an annual rival.
Sapp seems to be the best argument for waiting a few years for the passions of the moment to cool before honoring a particular player in this manner; there is a reason why baseball players cannot be voted into Cooperstown the year after they retire, and why, for instance, some government buildings cannot be named for individual honorees until a certain period of time has passed since their retirements or deaths.
However, we have never waited to retire a jersey. Sinkwich's was retired in 1943, Trippi's in 1947, and Sapp's in 1959; those players were wearing those jerseys in Sanford Stadium as the captains of the 1942, 1946, and 1958 Bulldogs, respectively.
The ceremony at which Walker's jersey was retired took place at halftime of the home opener between the hedges on September 2, 1985. Had Herschel stayed for his senior season, his jersey would have been retired at the start of the second fall since his departure from Athens.
If David Pollack's jersey were retired tomorrow, he would have waited the longest of any of the five honorees to have his number shelved. That isn't a reason for doing it now rather than later, but that is the way it always has been done.
If we're going to honor "drought breakers," though, Edwards's 1997 game against the Gators is comparable---both in the length of the losing streak and in the quality of the opposition during that period---to Sapp's 1957 game against the Yellow Jackets.
I'm playing devil's advocate here, but how 'bout retiring No. 47 to pay tribute both to Edwards (a drought breaker analogous to Sapp) and Pollack (who, with Walker, was one of Georgia's only two three-time all-Americans)? Have them both there at the 50 yard line at halftime, with one on either side of the No. 47 jersey in the middle, and put it in the trophy case to honor both.
I'm not arguing for that, necessarily, but it's an intriguing proposition.
by T Kyle King on
May 2, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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Theron Sapp
First, we're talking about breaking a longer streak. Second, we're talking about EIGHT consecutive losses to Tech. Never before and never since has anyone dominated Georgia in consecutive years. Yes, with Florida, it was only one game short of eight, but guess what? We've beaten Florida in seven consecutive games. Twice. We've never beaten Tech in eight consecutive games (but stay tuned).
Second, we're talking about Georgia Tech. Now, I understand that you young'uns consider Florida a more significant rival. But I personally know only a handful of Gator fans, and I've met them only in the last 10 years. We have to deal with Tech fans year-round and in our families, churches, neighborhoods, and workplaces.
During the Tech drought, every game of the season ended with the Sanford crowd yelling the same cheer: Wreck Tech! Just played Florida? Wreck Tech! Auburn? Wreck Tech! Clemson? Wreck Tech! Yes, over the last 20 years we talk a lot about the desire to beat Florida all year, but we haven't chanted "It's great to be a Gator hater" at every single game for years on end.
*A note on perspective: my parents were UGA students during the drought; an uncle, a grandfather, and both brothers went to Tech. So yes, my view may be a little special.
by NCT on May 2, 2008 4:55 PM EDT 0 recs
Fair enough
This is partly why I periodically agitate for moving the Georgia Tech game to September or October, to make it more like, e.g., Colorado-Colorado State, Iowa-Iowa State, or Michigan-Michigan State . . . big, but by no means the biggest game. It also is why I am troubled when I hear the closing line of the Battle Hymn of Bulldog Nation sung, "And to Hell with Georgia Tech!" They sing about us every game because we're their biggest rival; we shouldn't sing about them every game because they're South Carolina with higher academic standards and uglier women.
Once again, though, I want to play devil's advocate here and argue why the 1997 Florida game was equally as important as the 1957 Georgia Tech game, if not more so. Consider:
- Georgia Tech beat Georgia eight straight times from 1949 to 1956. Prior to that point, the Yellow Jackets had never beaten the Bulldogs more than five years running. Florida beat Georgia seven straight times from 1990 to 1996. Prior to that point, the Gators had never beaten the Bulldogs more than four years running. In each case, it was (and remains) the opponent's longest streak over the 'Dawgs by three games.
- From 1949 to 1956, Georgia Tech went 71-16-3. From 1990 to 1996, Florida went 73-14-1.
- Between 1949 and 1956, Georgia Tech attended six bowl games in eight seasons: one Cotton, one Gator, one Orange, and three Sugar Bowls. Between 1990 and 1996, Florida attended six bowl games in seven seasons: one Fiesta, one Gator, and four Sugar Bowls.
- Between 1949 and 1956, Georgia Tech finished in the A.P. top ten five times, finished in the A.P. top two once, and claimed a (dubious) share of the divided 1952 national title. Between 1990 and 1996, Florida finished in the A.P. top ten six times, finished in the A.P. top two twice, and won an undisputed 1996 national title.
- Between 1949 and 1956, Georgia Tech won two S.E.C. championships. Between 1990 and 1996, Florida won five Eastern Division championships, five S.E.C. championships, and finished first in the S.E.C. while on probation in 1990.
- In 1957, the year Theron Sapp broke the drought, Georgia Tech went 4-4-2, finished eighth in the S.E.C. with a losing record in conference play, failed to qualify for a bowl game, and beat one team with a winning record . . . Duke. In 1997, the year Robert Edwards broke the drought, Florida went 10-2, won the Citrus Bowl, and finished the season ranked fourth in the Associated Press final poll.
- In 1957, Georgia went 3-7. It was the Bulldogs' third straight losing season and seventh straight season without a bowl game. In the six years following that breakout victory over Georgia Tech, the 'Dawgs posted four losing records and attended one bowl game. In 1997, Georgia went 10-2. It was the first season since 1992 in which the Red and Black won more than six games. After having gone 22-22-1 from 1993 to 1996, Georgia proceeded to win eight or more games in each of the next ten seasons after 1997 . . . and counting.
We may, in the 1950s, have hated Georgia Tech as much as we now hate Florida, but we always respected Bobby Dodd as a man, while we have never regarded Steve Spurrier with anything less than contempt. Some may have called Coach Dodd a genius, but no one ever called him evil.
I wasn't there in 1957, obviously, but I was in Alltel Stadium in 1997 and it remains one of the five finest gameday experiences of my life. Was Theron Sapp's streak-snapping touchdown greeted with universal euphoria throughout Bulldog Nation? Undoubtedly. Was that generation of Georgia fans any more passionate about wanting to beat the Yellow Jackets than the generation just behind NCT's and mine was passionate about beating Steve Superior and the hated Gators? I doubt that sincerely.
Sapp's and Edwards's performances, in my estimation, were of comparable significance against longstanding rivals. In many ways, Georgia Tech's streak and Florida's streak were strikingly similar, but, to the extent they were different, they diverged in ways that made the Gators---during the streak and during the season in which it ended---the tougher rival to beat, and the 1997 victory may have helped to usher in a much stronger period of gridiron glory for Georgia. Sapp's game-winner clearly had no such salutary long-term effects.
For that reason, I believe a principled case could---and, perhaps, should---be made for the proposition that, if Theron Sapp earned the retirement of his jersey in a single game in Atlanta, then Robert Edwards did likewise in a single game in Jacksonville. Granted, we used to chant, "Wreck Tech," but no Georgia play-by-play man ever begged Theron to run, broke a chair when he scored, or greeted a Bulldog victory over the Golden Tornado with the declaration that there would be some property destroyed that night.
by T Kyle King on
May 2, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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Just to clarify
I'm sure everyone would have realized that, but it occurred to me that it might have been misinterpreted, as though I didn't know my 1980 from my 1997, so I wanted to clear that up to avoid any confusion. Yes, I am able to distinguish between the year I turned 12 and the year I was admitted to the State Bar of Georgia.
by T Kyle King on
May 2, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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Tangent
A few more words in defense (offense?) of Pollack's number retirement.
You guys wonder about many different players wearing the number 47, and whether or not it might not be Pollack's alone. I don't think that can really be taken seriously.
At DawgBone.net, one of the headings for their post groupings is simply, "#47." No one wonders who that might be.
A while ago, when Ivan Maisel put together his list of the best players to wear a certain number, 1-100, he didn't list Pollack at 47. However, a commenter asked him about in a subsequent mailbag and he admitted he'd forgotten David, and that if were to make the list again he would almost certainly be the greatest 47 of all time.
Do people really go to Georgia games, see a 47 jersey and wonder if it's Nate Taylor/Robert Edwards throwback? I don't think so.
by randomterrace on May 2, 2008 9:29 PM EDT 0 recs
so?
should we retire it and take it off of Stafford's back because it reminds us of a particular player?
do you think your children will one day see a #47 and think of Pollack as we do with #34?
(without getting the jersey retirement, of course)
and Kyle, did you really re-read your own post 18 minutes later and discover the potentially confusing language you included regarding the Lindsay Scott call?
if so, you sir are an Advocate worthy of Brian Nichols...lol
by dawgaddict on May 4, 2008 11:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Yes, I did . . .
Whenever I'm being overly nitpicky about such things, my wife usually asks me, "Does 'anal-retentive' have a hyphen?" She means that as a rhetorical question, but I can't help answering, "Yes," which probably proves her point.
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