Can't We All Just Get Along?: A Reply to Black Shoe Diaries
On this, the night of the B.C.S. national championship game, I interrupt my review of the Mark Richt record to offer a few words in defense of interconference unity. I have tried and tried to promote good relations between the Big Ten and the Southeastern Conference, which is an objective in which some Big Ten fans are interested but others evidently are not.
This brings us to a recent posting from my SB Nation colleague, Mike from the Penn State weblog Black Shoe Diaries. Mike is a fine fellow with whom I have much in common, including a shared desire to see our respective conferences do well in bowl games.
When explaining why he would be rooting for the Buckeyes this evening, Mike wrote:
Now, I have no problem with a fellow rooting for his conference to do well; Maize 'n' Brew Dave gave good reasons for doing just that, in fact. Let us not forget, however, that, one year ago, the situation was reversed: Ohio State was the anointed golden child and the Gators were the parvenus who amounted to little more than undeserving interlopers at the Buckeyes' inevitable coronation.
Even this year, Ohio State's place in the game was accepted as a fait accompli while L.S.U. and the other candidates had to fight their way into contention. This is The Narrative in action, but there is no conference bias to it; it's just ESPN doing what the Worldwide Leader does to serve its own interests. Mike more or less admits this in a later comment, when he recognizes (correctly) that the pendulum will have swung back in favor of Southern California before the start of next season.
Mike continues:
Mike is, of course, correct about the preseason predictions, but there is no comparing the games in question. The Trojans lost at home to a four-win Cardinal club, while the Bayou Bengals fell twice in triple overtime to eight-win Kentucky and Arkansas teams whose seasons ended on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day, respectively.
Mike goes on to add:
Michigan plays Florida in Orlando
Penn State plays Texas A&M in San Antonio
Illinois plays USC in Pasedena
Ohio State plays LSU in New Orleans
Are you sensing a pattern here? Heck, even Purdue had to go to Detroit to play Central Michigan. Every year the Big Ten has to overcome this institutionalized disadvantage.
Much like the overused "S.E.C. speed" mantra, this is a canard that has been repeated often enough that otherwise intelligent people are starting to believe this nonsense. Neutral site games are neutral site games; the tickets are allotted equally to both sides and there is no shortage of Big Ten fans in the Southeast . . . which may have something to do with why the Midwestern B.C.S. conference voluntarily contracted to receive bids to these bowls.
My parents and most of the members of my family live in South Georgia and this year's Christmas scheduling happened to have me headed southbound on I-75 on the weekend before New Year's Day. After a while, I stopped trying to count how many Michigan license plates I saw. To their credit, the Wolverine faithful headed to the Sunshine State in droves. The persistent complaints about bowl games being played in California, Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and other places where the weather is remotely hospitable in the winter need to end.
Instead, though, we must endure the expression of sentiments such as this one from one of Mike's commenters:
That's because Big Ten teams won't play S.E.C. teams in the regular season. Georgia's athletic director, Damon Evans, tried to get Michigan on the Bulldogs' schedule, but he couldn't get a phone call returned. The 'Dawgs aren't playing in the Midwest because teams in the Midwest won't schedule the Red and Black.
Finally, a commenter at Mike's site offered this tasteless animadversion:
himself were playing QB for the other team.....I would still root for Hitler's team to beat the team from the SEC.
Now, I am all for the spirit of rivalry; I scarcely make mention of the Bulldogs' longstanding series with the Plainsmen without reminding everyone that I hate Auburn. (I hate Auburn. See?) Expressing the intensity of your dislike for the opposition is one thing, though; stating a preference for the leader of Nazi Germany as the better alternative to rooting for a Southeastern Conference school, though, is quite beyond the pale.
I should hasten to add that the foregoing statement was offered by a lone commenter, and it does not represent Mike's view or the views of his other readers. That extreme exclamation of bilious resentment is not representative of the majority perspective. I realize that, and I want my constructive criticisms of Mike's posting to reflect my realization that, while some of what he has written is wrong, none of it is unreasonable.
We need to recognize, though, that there are lines that ought not to be crossed and prejudices that ought not to be reinforced, lest they become even more ingrained. As I prepare to post this reply, the national title game is underway and a back-and-forth battle is tied at ten points apiece. This contest and its aftermath should be about the game at its best, not the fans at their worst.
I don't fault a Big Ten fan if he wants to root, root, root for the home team---and, yes, Ohio State is the home team in New Orleans---but, when boosters from other leagues react to such things viscerally and take such things personally, they lose me. Mike is a good guy and a respected colleague whose conference homerism I understand and appreciate. Sooner or later, though, the time has to arrive for college football fans of good will to drop the my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad playground act and begin behaving like what college football is supposed to teach the student-athletes to be: men.
Let's all make that our new year's resolution, shall we?
Go 'Dawgs!
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Michigan-Vandy
by NCT on
Jan 7, 2008 10:06 PM EST
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Rose Bowl
by fotodog on
Jan 7, 2008 10:58 PM EST
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Big Ten (Eleven) is pathetic......
If you couldn't tell the above is all sarcasm...
by RocketDawg on
Jan 8, 2008 7:41 AM EST
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Bias ESPN
by nemov on
Jan 8, 2008 7:48 AM EST
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Talk about stale stereotypes
"Big Ten teams are more disciplined. They're under control. They're smarter. They're better prepared. That's why we shouldn't be so quick to write off the Buckeyes just yet."
What? Where's the evidence for that? The SEC now boasts five head coaches with national championship rings and another with an undefeated season on his resume (an accomplishment that is becoming more and more impressive over time). For better or worse, the SEC has lead the country in compensating its coaches and it has certainly paid off on the field.
Who was the team getting flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct and late hit penalties every three plays? Who was the team making smooth, in game adjustments?
I'm not going to comment on any unflattering inferences that may be drawn from the above quote since I am not familiar with the man's blog, but I'm sure I'm not the only person that senses them.
by TheUnknownStuntman on
Jan 8, 2008 10:02 AM EST
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for what it's worth
And, per the announcers, tosu had just as many (if not more) "fans" at the game - lucky batards (loaf of french bread - slightly wider than a baguette).
Personally, I was not rooting for tosu - I made the decision that I would root for all of the other B10 teams and not tosu. Therefore, I'm not too disappointed.
I do hate the B10 bashing - yet there's no denying that the SEC has won the last 2 championships - without perfect records (a testament to their tough scheduling) - but with tough, aggressive, effective play.
Is the B10 disciplined? The off-the-field tomfoolery this year would suggest not. Regardless, I don't care for comparisons - the only disparity that matters is on the scoreboard.
by PSUgirl on
Jan 8, 2008 12:01 PM EST
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Michigan vs the SEC
UGA has not played a regular season game outside of SEC country since 1966 (VMI - @Michigan was 1965). I respect what Damon Evans is doing now with upcoming trips to Az St, Ok St, Louisville, and Colorado, but it's been a long time coming.
I do agree with Stuntman's comment that BSD's statements re: Big Ten teams' smarts, preparation, etc are over the top. OSU, to be fair, have been disciplined and smart most of the year, but have fallen apart the last three games. LSU was clearly better prepared and more disciplined that OSU last night, but the same can be said of Michigan against Florida. That generalization is just as true as the "southern speed" myth. Otherwise, Chris Wells would have been tackled and Percy Harvin would not.
That said, having grown up in Georgia, I will enjoy watching the Bulldogs take on the Sun Devils next season.
by georgiablue on
Jan 8, 2008 12:03 PM EST
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Vandy-UM
by NCT on
Jan 8, 2008 4:36 PM EST
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Scheduling
What, the Penn State/Alabama series doesn't count? We would have been down there already had "Bama not asked us to move it back.
by nittanyroar on
Jan 9, 2008 12:24 PM EST
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Good point, joepadon
Because the Volunteers play no annual neutral site games, have no traditional out-of-conference rival, and have Vanderbilt for an in-state rival, U.T. has been able to schedule more aggressively, and the Vols have done so, facing Miami (Florida), Notre Dame, and a variety of Pac-10 teams.
Likewise, the Nittany Lions spent decades as an independent and built up various longstanding non-Big Ten rivalries, including the series with in-state rival Pitt (even though the series now lays dormant).
Penn State, which has more natural geographic ties with Big East schools than with Big Ten schools, has continued to schedule well out of conference, for which the Lions deserve credit. Your point is well taken.
by T Kyle King on
Jan 9, 2008 5:48 PM EST
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Penn State/Alabama series
BTW, good blog you guys have going here, keep up the good work.
by nittanyroar on
Jan 9, 2008 8:11 PM EST
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Bama-PSU
But I'll also add that, Penn State's 15(?) years of membership in the Big 10 notwithstanding, I still have to exert a little bit of mental effort to think of them as a Big 10 school (yes, even though this entire discussion was inspired by a Penn State blog entry). I'm old-fashioned in many ways. That's a little more effort than it takes to consider Arkansas and South Carolina as real members of the SEC, and much less effort than is required to think of Miami, BC, VPI, and even FSU as ACC schools. As you might guess, it takes me a few minutes to name the Big XII.
by NCT on
Jan 9, 2008 11:29 PM EST
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Nitpick
10 at Clemson, 9 at South Carolina before they joined the SEC in 1992 (meaning, such state was not "SEC Country" at the time).
And why does everyone who cites that 1966 date (which is the one always cited) always forget about the 1967 game at Houston? Is there some secret SEC team in Texas I don't know about?
And I think I speak for all Georgia fans when I say the Arizona State game can't come soon enough so we can stop hearing the same tired arguments. I for one am tired of repeating the same "we have close regional nonconference rivals, so we didn't have to travel far to play someone good; would it have been better to travel across the country in the 80s to play a terrible Pac 10 team like Oregon State (at the time) or to travel 60 miles up to perennial top 20 Clemson?"
by LD on
Jan 8, 2008 4:54 PM EST
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quite the nit you've got there
Technically, South Carolina was not officially "SEC country" until 1992, but the point is with regards to geography and is still valid.
Frankly, this wasn't meant to be a slam at UGA. UGA playing Clemson is no different from Michigan playing Notre Dame. There is a strong rivalry there, but I'd rather see some variety. Given that most teams aren't scheduling more than 1 or 2 OOC BCS teams these days, I'd much rather my team (if I were a UGA diehard) replace Clemson with an intersectional opponent every now and then (I doubt UGA-GT is going away any time soon).
by georgiablue on
Jan 8, 2008 5:45 PM EST
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You're right
by NCT on
Jan 8, 2008 7:07 PM EST
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That's essentially what we've done
In the meantime, we're doing home-and-homes with Arizona State, Colorado, Oklahoma State, and Oregon---all of whom attended bowl games in 2007---and Damon Evans has made attempts (thus far unsuccessfully) to schedule Cincinnati, Michigan, and Notre Dame.
After a longer hiatus than any of us would have preferred, Georgia has resumed its 50-year tradition (1916-1965) of scheduling nationally.
by T Kyle King on
Jan 8, 2008 7:13 PM EST
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Don't forget
by peacedog on
Jan 9, 2008 8:43 AM EST
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SEC Speed
Looking back at the Citrus Bowl, Harvin was definitely faster than most of Michigan's defense, but you can't run Percy every play. Plus, credit to Michigan's coaches they out-coached Urban & Co.
Some of the out-of-conference comments are valid for some schools, even UGA 66-06, but not all SEC teams. However, UGA regularly had Clemson & GT on their schedule which were both OOC games.
We can go on and on about SEC vs. Big Televen just like a Bama vs. Auburn forum, but the fact is that OSU lost 2 in a row in the MNCG and is 0-9 against the SEC while Michigan and some of the other teams have fared much better.
UGA will go out west in 08 and also play what is arguably the hardest schedule, even without traveling north of the Mason-Dixon.
by fotodog on
Jan 8, 2008 12:42 PM EST
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