An Open Letter to Peter Bean Regarding Barry Bonds
To: Peter Bean, Burnt Orange Nation, SB Nation lead college blogger
From: T. Kyle King, Dawg Sports
Re: Barry Bonds
Dear Peter,
I hope you are doing well. I am writing to you today, and doing so in a public forum, to address a subject about which I know you feel strongly. But for a small dig this morning, I have remained silent about this because I know how completely we disagree upon this issue.
Although I am now confronting this question squarely, I hope it will be made clear below that I do so not out of spite or malice, but in the spirit of friendship and respect. You have been gracious enough to write some genuinely kind things about me over the last couple of years and I approach this topic today with the same high regard for you and the virtues you champion.
Yesterday, I know, was a big day for you. You have been forthright and unapologetic in your admiration for and support of Barry Bonds during his successful pursuit of the major league career home run record. Upon his attainment of that milestone, you wrote to your hero:
Being your biggest supporter and fan is not always easy, but I can swear up and down - without a moment's hesitation - that I wouldn't rather it be anybody else.
For all the memories - and all 756 home runs. For being my hero on the baseball diamond. For helping to make me the sports fan I am today.
The comments that followed that posting, predictably, revealed the level of vitriol many baseball fans still harbor towards Bonds. I apologize for adding my voice to the din, but I feel the need to attempt to set you straight upon this, the most incongruous, and only indefensible, aspect of your sports fandom.
In your periodic defenses of Bonds, you have made the following three points consistently:
- Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player of his generation and had established himself as such long before any alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs on his part.
- Steroids don't help you hit a baseball.
- A person does not get to choose his childhood sports heroes.
At this juncture, I should offer a disclosure which will, I hope, enable us to dispense with an ugly issue that has arisen in the course of the Bonds debate. I was raised, and yet remain, an Atlanta Braves fan. I was rooting against Bonds's team---hard; I can still take you to the spot in Athens where I was standing when Sid Bream rounded third---that night in 1992 when the Braves took out the Pittsburgh Pirates in the National League Championship Series. My hometown ballpark is located at 755 Hank Aaron Drive.
I am not neutral where this record is concerned. I want Aaron to be major league baseball's all-time home run king, so much so that I believe that, if Bonds retires at the end of this season, a last-place American League club should offer Aaron a contract to be its designated hitter next season so the rightful owner of the record can reclaim his proper place in the history books . . . and not just those portions of them which are not marred by asterisks.
Although my support for Aaron prevents me from claiming impartiality, I hope it at least relieves me of the burden of insisting that my disdain for Bonds is motivated by reasons other than race. I believe Mark McGwire's (short-lived) claim on the record once held by Roger Maris is as tainted as Barry Bonds's (likely also short-lived) claim on the record once held by Hank Aaron. To the extent that this is a black and white issue, those colors denote not the amount of melanin in particular athletes' skin, but degrees of moral turpitude in particular athletes' actions.
Indeed, I disliked Barry Bonds long before charges of steroid use cast even a shadow on his horizon. He always was surly and unlikable, but that has been true of many athletes, especially baseball players, including the Georgia Peach, Ty Cobb. I do not begrudge him that, even though it makes him an exceedingly unsympathetic hero in any drama.
My revulsion for Bonds may be traced back to the 1994 strike that drove me from the game of my youth until my son brought me back to the national pastime. During that dark period for the game, a legion of pampered athletes, complaining that they were not sufficiently overpaid, refused to show up for work, canceling the balance of what had been a splendid season.
Bonds, a star even then, famously asked a family court judge to reduce his child support payments because his decision to refuse to go to work had reduced his considerable income. I regarded that callous act with disgust then; now, as a father, I understand just how truly, deeply reprehensible that act was. Trust me, Peter, when I tell you that the day will come when you will have a son of your own and you will feel a deep pang of embarrassment that you ever idolized this sorry excuse for a human being.
I turn now to the three points you make in support of Bonds. As we shall see, each is true as far as it goes, but none goes as far as you would like to believe:
1. Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player of his generation. You have defended this thesis capably and I do not contest your claims on his behalf. Had Bonds never put himself in a position to have to answer these allegations---had his physical transformation not been so grotesquely pronounced---his achievements could not have been gainsaid. Absent the understandable suspicions about steroid use, Bonds's Hall of Fame credentials would have been irrefutable.
We are not, however, discussing his worthiness for inclusion in Cooperstown, where, to put it delicately, no moral criteria ever have been applied to anyone not named Pete Rose. (That, though, is another rant altogether. . . .) We are discussing his worthiness to be idolized as a sports hero. Upon that point, I offer a single question in response: "So what?"
Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams had an understanding. The former referred to the latter as "the best hitter I ever saw" and the latter referred to the former as "the best ballplayer I ever saw." The Yankee Clipper got much the better of the Splendid Splinter in that exchange of compliments.
I have argued often that, in a team sport, individual achievement matters only to the extent that it serves team goals. This is why, for instance, no one mentions Dan Marino in the same conversation with Joe Montana. The former had nicer numbers; the latter contributed to championships.
Ted Williams's .406 season in 1941 was an impressive individual achievement . . . as, for the matter of that, was his .388 season in 1957, when the 39-year-old combat veteran's natural physical decline likely robbed him of the five hits he would have needed to have hit .400 again.
Williams's career, however, is one of singular achievements full of sound and fury that signified nothing for the only cause that mattered: victory. In 19 years with the Boston Red Sox, Williams led his team to one American League pennant and no World Series championships. In the 10 most important games of his career (seven World Series games and three games in which wins would have produced league titles), he hit .232 and made no significant contribution to his team's success.
Contrast that with the accomplishments of Joltin' Joe. In June 1949, DiMaggio, who had been held out of the lineup due to the painful preseason removal of a bone spur, took the field during a three-game series in Boston. His four home runs and nine R.B.I. led to a New York Yankees sweep. This put DiMaggio's team in a position to clinch the pennant with a two-game sweep of the Red Sox in the season's final games. DiMaggio, despite battling viral pneumonia, again led his team to victory.
Most notable, though, is DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak during that epochal year---for baseball, for America, and for the world---of 1941. During those 56 games, DiMaggio hit .408, drove in 55 runs, and scored 56 runs. On the day his hitting streak began, the slumping Yankees were five and a half games out of first place. On the day his hitting streak ended, the surging Yankees were well out in front of the rest of the league and well on their way to clinching the pennant on September 4 and finishing 20 games ahead of the second-place team.
Both Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams can claim extraordinary individual achievements. There is a difference, though: DiMaggio's accomplishments produced Yankee championships, while Williams's mattered, in the end, only to Williams. Joltin' Joe was a complete ballplayer, equally adept in the batter's box, on the basepaths, and in the field, and, in his 13 major league seasons, he contributed mightily to the winning of 10 pennants and nine world championships. What did Ted Williams ever win?
Likewise, what did Barry Bonds ever do for anyone except Barry Bonds? Nothing even vaguely reminiscent of DiMaggio's heroism is to be found in Bonds, about whom no latter-day Hemingway will ever write an Old Man and the Sea and of whom no modern Simon & Garfunkel will ever feel moved to croon, "A nation turns its lonely eyes to you."
Barry Bonds, like Ted Williams, is a tremendous individual athlete. That and a few bucks, as they say, will buy him a cup of coffee. Statistical excellence that does not translate to team victories yields nothing but a number, which sits prettily on the page but ultimately equals zero.
The difference between Joe DiMaggio and Barry Bonds is the difference between Herschel Walker and Eric Zeier; it is the difference between Vince Young and Ricky Williams. DiMaggio, Walker, and Young are fit heroes, but Bonds, Zeier, and Williams, whatever their individual attainments on the field, confirm that statistics are for losers. Bonds may be a marvel of technical precision (to the extremely limited extent that we are able to separate with certainty what was done by Barry from what may have been done by BALCO), but, as heroes go, Bonds is, at best, Tony Gwynn with a bad attitude.
2. Steroids don't help you hit a baseball. In one sense, of course, this is demonstrably true. Steroids don't improve eye-hand coordination. Steroids don't enhance patience at the plate. Steroids don't increase the studiousness of an attentive batter who keeps track of pitchers' tendencies and knows what pitch he is likely to see next. All of these are attributes in Bonds's arsenal and none of them were given to him, or heightened by, steroids.
There is, however, another, more important sense in which this statement is flatly false. If two batters take identical swings at identical pitches and make contact with the ball at identical points, but one of those batters is Barry Bonds in 1991 and the other of those batters is Barry Bonds in 2001, the former is likely to produce a loud out and the latter is likely to produce a home run.
It's like the BASF commercial that ends with the tag line: "We don't make a lot of the things you buy. We make a lot of the things you buy better." Steroids don't help you hit a baseball. They help you hit a baseball farther.
If it is, in fact, the case that steroids don't help you hit a baseball, I am left to wonder two things. First of all, why did so many sluggers take steroids from the late '80s to the early 21st century if they did not think they would enhance their power at the plate? Secondly, why did so many of the players who ingested performance-enhancing chemicals experience noticeable increases in their ability to smash pitches over the outfield wall? If steroids don't help you hit a baseball, was it just coincidental that the rise of steroids occurred simultaneously with the outburst in home run production?
Barry Bonds was a great hitter even before his suspicious power surge late in his career. He was not, however, on a pace to reach 756 before his body began to do things which I, as someone on the far side of 35, can attest are not natural in a man over a certain age. Examine, if you will, the picture you posted this morning:

God, genetics, and honest effort produced the ballplayer on the left. Can anyone claim with a straight face that they were responsible for producing the ballplayer on the right?
3. A person does not get to choose his childhood sports heroes. That may be true during childhood, but this dictum does not age well after the onset of adulthood.
In one of the postings I have linked to previously, you wrote that your "love affair with Bonds" began when you were "watching Pirates games a lot with my best friend (whose family hailed from Pittsburgh)." That is rather a tenuous connection. The family of a friend was from a place where your sports hero then played. You knew a guy who knew a guy who used to be somewhere one time.
Bonds's days in a Pirates uniform are long since ended. If he is elected to the Hall of Fame---which is by no means a certainty---he undoubtedly will be enshrined in Cooperstown as a San Francisco Giant.
Were I to gather together 100 people who have heard of Peter Bean and ask them to name the first city that popped into their heads when I said the name "Peter Bean," most would say "Austin," some would say "Washington, D.C.," and a handful might say "South Bend," but not one in 100 would answer "Pittsburgh."
It is one thing for me, a native Georgian, to continue to idolize Herschel Walker, another native Georgian. Since the Goal Line Stalker burst onto the scene the year I celebrated my 12th birthday, he has gone on to become a great ambassador for the University of Georgia, I have gone on to attain two degrees from the University of Georgia, and each of us has continued to maintain his ties both to the Peach State and to its flagship institution of higher learning.
Your ties to Barry Bonds always were more tenuous than that and the chords that bound you became attenuated and were severed long ago. You are rooting for him now out of sheer mere muscle memory, reflexively rather than reflectively, like an amputee scratching at a phantom itch in a limb removed long ago.
Why, though, am I bothering to write any of this? What does it matter to me whether you choose to admire an athlete whom I, like most sports fans, despise?
It matters because our friendship and our professional relationship are based not just on a shared love of sports, but upon a mutual respect. You are not just a sports fan; you are the right kind of sports fan.
You don't just love Mack Brown because he wins games for your favorite team; you love Mack Brown because he represents your university with class and character. I understand that, because I feel the same way about Mark Richt.
You don't just love Vince Young because he was a great athlete; you love Vince Young because his will to win drove his physical talents to a new level. I understand that, because I feel the same way about Herschel Walker.
Peter, you are an individual of class and character. You are universally respected not because you write passionately and well about the teams and athletes that matter to you (although you certainly do that), but because you hold yourself to a high standard, play within the rules, and strive to be the fine human being that everyone recognizes you are.
Your continued admiration of Barry Bonds, even in the face of his apparent betrayal of your loyalty and of everything for which you stand, is the only piece of the puzzle that does not fit. Your sports loyalties are of a piece with your personal relationships, which tie into your dignity and decency, which are reflected in the heroes you choose . . . in every instance except this one.
A single recent example speaks volumes upon this point. I know you've had a tough summer, so much so that our good friend Kanu felt the need to give you a public pep talk on last night's radio show. A month ago, something happened---I do not know what and would not presume to ask---that led you to write this:
I've always prided myself on the way that I treat the people that I care about. I've developed a huge base of friends in my life by treating people the right way and acting in a way that I would want others to treat me. This weekend, I let somebody down in a big way. I broke their trust. I lied.
That's maybe life's most painful sin - whether you're dishonest with a family member, girlfriend, friend, or yourself.
So let me take this chance to apologize publicly. You deserved better than that from me. I'm deeply sorry.
You didn't have to write that. Only a handful of people---heck, for all I know, only you and one other person on the face of the planet---know what that was about, yet you felt morally compelled to apologize publicly, in front of people you don't even know, to people you have never even met. You felt the need to write "I let somebody down" and "I lied" and "I'm deeply sorry."
Where's Barry's "I let you down"? Where's Barry's "I lied"? Where's Barry's "I'm sorry"?
You're not getting that kind of class and character from your hero, are you? What you're getting are declarations that he never knowingly used steroids. Barry's giving sworn testimony that he thought flaxseed oil and arthritis medication made his hat size grow like the Grinch's heart. If you truly believe this emotionally stunted, physically mutated, abhorrent individual with dangerously mismatched priorities helped to make you the sports fan you are today, you are giving far too little credit to yourself and far too much credit to him.
Peter, when you were a child, you thought as a child, you spoke as a child, you reasoned as a child, and you chose Barry Bonds as your sports hero. That choice represents the lone wrong turn in an otherwise commendable series of selections regarding sports loyalties that, much like everything else you do, was hallmarked by class and character.
The facts are these: Peter Bean is a good person and Barry Bonds is not. That selfish S.O.B. in San Francisco is unworthy of having a fan like you.
Grant was more right than he knew when he wrote that Barry Bonds's 756th home run was the 21st birthday of Giants fandom. Indeed it was . . . and, now that you (unlike Barry Bonds) are a man, it is time---it is well past time---for you to put away this childish thing.
The day will come when you will see that I am right about this. I hope that this is that day.
Sincerely yours,
T. Kyle King
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Give me $700 or God Will Call Me Home
Everyone else is moving on with their lives after this circus, on both sides. What's wrong with letting a fan, even one you disagree with so strongly, savor this a little? How is his position on this issue harming anyone? It's not. Grant him this moment.
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 10:17 PM EDT 0 recs
Hey, I gave him 24 hours, didn't I? :)
Crash Davis: "Your fastball was up and your curveball was hanging. In the Show, they would've ripped you."
Nuke: "Can't you let me enjoy the moment?"
Crash: "The moment's over."
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 10:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
by jebushchrist on Aug 8, 2007 10:46 PM EDT 0 recs
No, I'm serious
If I didn't respect Peter immensely and recognize the cohesiveness of his outlook on life, the way that his respect for Mack Brown's integrity and for Vince Young's heart dovetails with his commitment to his friends and his insistence upon high standards and tolerance, I wouldn't have said anything. (I should point out that Peter has been writing about Bonds for quite a while and this is the first time I have said or written a word about it, so it's not like I'm rushing to bash either of them.)
Peter's respect for Barry Bonds doesn't make sense to me. I don't think admiration for this particular player can be reconciled with who Peter is as a person, which is to Peter's credit. If you think I'm out of line in saying so, I respect and appreciate that point of view. If Peter thinks I owe him an apology, I'll give him one and I'll mean it.
There will, however, come a day when Peter recognizes that I am right about this. If today is not that day, well, I respect Peter enough to wait until that day arrives and I have enough faith in our friendship to believe that he'll let me wait around until it does.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 10:50 PM EDT 0 recs
So, this is about being right?
I'm sorry, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out how funny I find that statement. You're attacking someone who you claim to respect immensely under the umbrella of baseball? Really? It's not as if you're fighting for the town virgin here. Baseball's the town whore, always has been. It's the most corrupt sport there is. They steal signs, cork bats, cut fastballs, throw spitballs, water down the base paths, grow the grass long, cut it short, and they don't touch second on a double play. They've used coke, greenies, leaded coffee, steroids, and HGH to improve performance. The umpires don't follow the strike zone rules and they all gamble on the games. The team owners ran off a commissioner so they could run it by their own rules. The ballparks are tiny, the balls are rockets, and the bats are all made of maple now. This is, and has always been, a game that encouraged cheating. They didn't turn a blind eye to it, mind you, they encouraged it. So for you to come off and act like you're trying to save Peter's reputation here under the umbrella of baseball would be hilarious, if not for the fact that I think you made this personal, and went after someone who didn't deserve it.
If you really feel the need to teach someone a lesson in morality, which is essentially what you're doing here, you have to have clean hands, and when you pick up a baseball, no one's hands are clean.
by jebushchrist on
Aug 8, 2007 11:12 PM EDT
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Fair enough
I didn't mean for that statement to come across that way, but I understand why it did. What I meant, but should have said explicitly, was, "I think highly enough of Peter Bean's moral sense to believe that, ultimately, he will resolve this incongruity in the right way." Even that may be presumptuous on my part, but I wasn't trying to make this about me being right and him being wrong.
You don't have to sell me on the sins of baseball. I walked away from the game in disgust after the 1994 strike and I stayed away for 12 years, until the memory of trips to the ballpark with my father and the desire to create some of those same memories with my son led me to go back to the game, for my boy's sake.
I did not mean to launch a personal attack on Peter Bean. I think there is a great deal of high praise for Peter in this posting, the gist of which is that I believe he is too good a fan and too good a person to root for this particular ballplayer. Perhaps that wasn't my place to say and perhaps that criticism is equally applicable to many other, and perhaps most, ballplayers.
As I hope is abundantly clear by this point, I now completely, utterly, and absolutely regret having broken my previous radio silence regarding Barry Bonds in any way, shape, form, or fashion whatsoever and, most of all, I am terribly sorry to have given you the impression that I hold Peter Bean in anything less than the very highest regard. I assure you that this was exactly the opposite of my intention.
by T Kyle King on
Aug 8, 2007 11:30 PM EDT
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That's what people do who respect each other.
by jebushchrist on
Aug 8, 2007 11:43 PM EDT
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Kudos for not taking ESPN kiss ass approach to...
by UGA599 on Aug 8, 2007 10:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Sorry for the time lag . . .
For what it's worth, Jebus, I had trouble sleeping last night and I wound up sitting in front of the television watching a lot of the aftermath of No. 756 and the thought of writing this posting began percolating in my brain then. None of what I wrote was written prior to the point at which I got home this afternoon and the thought of writing it did not occur to me until late last night.
I am sorry that you think I went after Peter Bean in a personal manner. That certainly was not my intention. As I wrote in my reply to Holly, I wrote this precisely because I think highly enough of Peter to believe that his respect for Barry Bonds cannot be squared with everything else about him, which is to Peter's credit.
I am not trying to set myself up as "the moral compass for fandom." I offered a friend an honest opinion in what I thought was a respectful manner. I regret that I have given Holly and you the impression to the contrary.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 10:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Again with the time lag . . .
Your support is appreciated.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 10:58 PM EDT 0 recs
Too soon to start sentences with "um"?
If this were directed at me I'd be pretty livid. You honestly think your purpose is better served here than in a nice long email discussion? It just smacks of grandstanding, is all. Which seems unlike you.*
*unless you're running for something. Kyle for D.A.!
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 11:02 PM EDT 0 recs
That was not my intention . . .
My thought process was that (a) Barry Bonds is a (perhaps the) public sports issue of the day and (b) Peter has been Bonds's most credible and vocal supporter on his blog.
I was trying to follow the editorial rule used by newspapers; i.e., columns are answered with columns, letters with letters. Peter's defenses of Bonds have been published on the main page, so my response was published on the main page.
I may have been mistaken in making that choice, but that was the rationale behind it.
Since publishing my most recent previous comment, I have sent Peter another e-mail, so I will try to conduct any further discussions (other than answering commenters in this thread) privately. I am grateful for that advice.
I honestly wasn't trying to pull an Andrew Cuomo here and I think everything I had to say about Peter except this one thing was complimentary. That, to me, is the point.
If Peter were a "win at all costs" sort of fan, I wouldn't have said a word. He isn't that sort of fan, though; he's better than that. He criticizes his own program when it falls short of that high standard and he makes it clear that his respect for Mack Brown is dependent upon Coach Brown's adherence to that standard.
If Texas was caught committing a major N.C.A.A. violation (which I don't think will happen), Peter wouldn't be any less a Longhorn fan, but he would take his alma mater to task for its shortcomings. That level of integrity is why Peter is thought of as highly as he is, not least of all around these parts.
If I didn't have tremendous respect for Peter Bean, this piece wouldn't have been written. It may still have been wrong for me to have written it, but it came from a sincere and respectful place. Believe that, if you believe nothing else.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 11:15 PM EDT 0 recs
not my place
a) Kyle makes good points about Barry.
b) Kyle did not intend any malice.
c) Kyle was right to email Peter first.
d) Kyle probably should have emailed this copy to Peter and let them sort it out with each other instead of on a blog.
The real tragedy in this whole Bonds affair is Terrance Moore being vaulted to national prominence in the media.
But what do I know? (However, I will stick with the Moore comment).
by fotodog on Aug 8, 2007 11:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Thanks for points (a), (b), and (c)
As always, your support is appreciated.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 11:19 PM EDT 0 recs
This is what really got me:
This is an utter howler. What, he has to be vetted? His fandom's invalid because of where he was BORN? How very feudal.
You love what you love. Peter is completely correct when he says you don't always choose your heroes. This is baseball, not bone marrow. Perfect matches are beside the point.
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 11:23 PM EDT 0 recs
If I May...
Sometimes, we root for the tarnished and the just plain unlovable. And that's okay.
by The Great Barstoolio on Aug 8, 2007 11:33 PM EDT 0 recs
Not that it matters...
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 11:36 PM EDT 0 recs
All I meant was . . .
If you only came to like a player because he played for your friend's former hometown team, then that player got traded to another team, it ought to be easier to let go of your affinity for that player than it would be if he was with your favorite franchise throughout his career or if he went to your university.
I was trying to convince a friend that he shouldn't continue rooting for this particular player because the reasons not to root for him were (in my view) stronger than the reasons to continue rooting for him. The comparative weakness of the original connection seemed a legitimate point to raise.
However, as the entire posting was a mistake, I don't suppose I should quibble over its particular points. Once again, I regret profoundly ever having thought the thought, much less having expressed it.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 11:37 PM EDT 0 recs
Let's Move Forward
I genuinely appreciate the way that your strong beliefs govern your views as a friend, father, husband, and community member. Those are a big part of who you are, and they often lead you to write posts that I can applaud.
There are times, though, when you take the podium to lecture and I realize just how far away my seat is from the lectern. With today's post, it's clear there's an ocean between us.
And rather than engage with you in the specifics of your arguments - many of which are demonstrably false - I'll just note the distance between us on this particular issue and agree to disagree.
I'll also note that this is probably not something you and I need to work out on DawgSports. Certainly not on August 8th, when two-a-days have returned. This is a day for happy thoughts about football and the return of the sport we love most.
Don't worry about Bonds, Kyle. And don't worry about me cheering for him.
Happy August thoughts for all.

Happy thoughts, Kyle. August is here.
--PB--
by HornsFan on Aug 8, 2007 11:40 PM EDT 0 recs
And all I'm saying is
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 11:43 PM EDT 0 recs
I've got to start replying directly . . .
With regard to your 11:36 comment (the most recent comment I have seen as of the time of this writing), I understand your apathy towards baseball. I am apathetic towards basketball, even though I recognize basketball's many fine attributes as a game and recognize the validity of basketball fans' reasons for loving the game as they do.
I, however, am not apathetic towards baseball; I am ambivalent towards it. I was a baseball fan before I was a football fan and, while football has outdistanced baseball in my affections by quite a wide margin, I remain torn between my love of the game of my youth and my revulsion at what the national pastime has become. As I have said before, I struggle to overcome that for the sake of my son.
I appreciate the compliment contained in your closing sentence and I understand where you and The Great Barstoolio (in his 11:33 comment) are coming from in your constructive criticisms. I did not mean to sound like I was attacking or belittling Peter, although I understand why it came across that way.
The consensus is quite clear that I was in the wrong here, but I take some solace in the knowledge that, however backhanded and unsuccessful my attempt to pay Peter Bean a compliment may have been, the respect I have for him (which I expressed so poorly) has been proven justified by the rapid and uncompromising response of his friends, of which I hope I may continue to be counted as one.
I honestly don't know what more I can add at this point. The hour is late and the evening has been lousy. I apologize to you all.
by T Kyle King on Aug 8, 2007 11:49 PM EDT 0 recs
Well put Peter
Well done.
by jebushchrist on Aug 8, 2007 11:50 PM EDT 0 recs
Clearly
Kudos.
by The Great Barstoolio on Aug 8, 2007 11:50 PM EDT 0 recs
PB FTW
Well argued.
(Also: Unicorn!)
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 11:51 PM EDT 0 recs
classyclassyclassyclassyclassy
by Holly on Aug 8, 2007 11:54 PM EDT 0 recs
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Don't lose any sleep over this. You've built up more than enough credit for me not to know what you intended with this post. You and I will have to sit down over a meal one day and talk Bonds.
For now, I get to enjoy him and we all get to enjoy the return of football.
Love ya, Kyle. Even the things we disagree on.
PB
by HornsFan on Aug 8, 2007 11:57 PM EDT 0 recs
I would be remiss--
You handled this better than I would be capable, by a long shot. I'm a fan of yours, Kyle, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Go Vols.
by Holly on Aug 9, 2007 12:12 AM EDT 0 recs
I will add a
by The Great Barstoolio on Aug 9, 2007 12:23 AM EDT 0 recs
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Cool.
by jebushchrist on Aug 9, 2007 12:43 AM EDT 0 recs
wow
Hi. My name is NCT and I suffer from a compulsion to smooth things over even when my efforts are neither useful nor welcome and are, as here, redundant. Cheers!
by NCT on Aug 9, 2007 12:44 AM EDT 0 recs
A few things...
2)The thing Bonds wears on his arm- interesting article here:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003621797
2)Ted Williams- while I do agree that team performance trumps individual performance for the reasons you've listed, is it really fair to dismiss Ted Williams, when in fact there are 9 players on a baseball diamond at one time? Without really looking into his teammates, I really don't think criticize him in that matter. Besides, although Joltin Joe is one my favorite players of all time, and was one of the best, the Yanks were loaded then, just as they are now. The same goes for Marino- the talent on the defensive side of the ball was always questionable when Marino played for the Dolphins, but the Niners had players like Ronnie Lott playing on D. Bonds seems to be a different case from the two others- everywhere he's been, there seemed to be the charge that he never was a team player (which I'm not sure was the case with Williams or Marino, and would doubt that, even if they were loners like Bonds, they were loners to the extent Bonds was).
As a lifelong Braves fan- I still remember in my childhood- the days of Zane Smith, Ozzie Virgil, and Da-da-da-da-da-da BRUCE! Benedict, I am pissed about Bonds, too. For full disclosure, I am from Aaron's hometown (Mobile) and love the idea about getting Hank Aaron back in the Leagues should Barry retire. If an AL team signs him, and they should face the Padres, perhaps Jake Peavy (also a Mobile native) could toss him some easy pitches.
by ContrarianAUFan on Aug 9, 2007 1:43 PM EDT 0 recs
Champ Kind
by Red Blooded on Aug 9, 2007 1:53 PM EDT 0 recs
the bus & unicorns
Last weekend, I saw a guy with a T-shirt with one unicorn "mounting" another one under a rainbow. It was classic, but at 34, I don't think I can pull that off anymore.
by fotodog on Aug 9, 2007 4:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Well Done
by AdamN on Aug 12, 2007 1:34 PM EDT 0 recs









