Get With the Program: Stewart Mandel Has Finally Lost His Mind
I know I ought to know better. I know that Stewart Mandel only says outrageous things to get attention. I know that replying to one of his insipid mailbag columns is against the rules. I know that Senator Blutarsky and Braves and Birds have covered this ground already. After Wednesday evening's debacle, I promised to lay low for a couple of days.
Like Jon Cryer, I was hiding out, although, hopefully, with better hair.
However, I am constitutionally incapable of allowing this sort of specious nonsense to stand unrebutted:
So I suppose this raises a question: What exactly constitutes a "national power?" To be honest, I don't have a specific answer. Obviously, a history of on-field success (national championships, major bowls) is the key component, but the program must also continue to maintain relevance -- after all, Minnesota has a bunch of national titles on its mantle, but no one views the Gophers as a national power.
No, it's something more than wins and losses. It's a certain cachet or aura. It's the way a program is perceived by the public. Let me put it to you this way:
Suppose we went to, say, Montana. And suppose we found 100 "average" college football fans (not necessarily message-board crazies, but not twice-a-year viewers, either) and put them in a room. If I held up a Michigan helmet, my guess is all 100 would know exactly what it was. If I held up a picture of the USC song girls, all 100 would know who they were. If I happened to bring Joe Paterno along with me, all 100 would say, "Hey, look, it's Joe Paterno!"
Deep down, in my heart of hearts, I know better than to argue with an idiot. I know that there is no point in attempting to talk sense to someone who admits that, "[b]y any quantitative standard, Georgia has been a far better program than Penn State for some time now," yet who still "would tell you without a moment's hesitation that Penn State is a national power while Georgia is not," and who "suppose[s] this raises a question" (namely, the very question to which he is asserting an answer with certainty), but who acknowledges, "I don't have a specific answer."
At best, Mandel is engaging in cognitive dissonance. At worst, he's just a moron. My money's on moron.
I was going to write a book about Stewart Mandel, but Dostoevsky already used my title.
Let me hasten to add, lest I start another comment thread, that my intention in this posting is not to demean Penn State, but to praise Georgia. Because Penn State is Mandel's example, I will find it necessary to compare the two programs, but, in so doing, I intend to demonstrate that both are top-tier programs. Everything good that Mandel has to say about the Nittany Lions is correct; my point is that those same good things are equally true of the Red and Black.
Let us start with Mandel's asinine "100 Montanans" test. The fact that Joe Paterno is more easily recognizable than Mark Richt is not a fair comparison. When JoePa coached his first game in Happy Valley, Mark Richt was six years old. Coach Paterno has, by far, the longest tenure of any current coach at his present school. I doubt that there is a college football coach in the country who is more instantly recognizable to the average American than Joe Paterno.
Mandel asks, "[I]f I held up a Georgia 'G' helmet, how many of [the 100 Montanans] do you think would be able to identify it off the top of their head?" Bear in mind that we are talking about "100 'average' college football fans." Aside from the odd color-blind Montanan (who could be forgiven for mistaking it for a Green Bay Packers helmet), I'd be surprised if more than two or three of them failed to recognize it.
(As an aside, I note with some irony that, during the summer of 2000, I visited Montana. While traveling up the Road to the Sun in Glacier National Park, I came across something I never thought I would see: snow in July. There was, in fact, a tunnel of snow frozen solid. We trekked through it and I, unwisely placing my faith in Jim Donnan's assessment of his team, wrote "UGA # 1 GO DAWGS!" in the snow above the entranceway with my finger. A Nittany Lion fan happened to come through behind me, and he carved "WE ARE PENN STATE" into the ice. Based upon my own personal experience, therefore, I have every reason to believe that Montanans are equally familiar with Georgia and Penn State.)
Senator Blutarsky beat me to the punch on this one, but the point bears repeating: Sports Illustrated---you know; Stewart Mandel's employer---proclaimed Uga the country's best college mascot. If Mandel's 100 hypothetical Montanans read the magazine that issues his paycheck, they'd know Georgia's iconic Uga as well as Penn State's iconic JoePa.

Also, when teased, Uga and JoePa are about equally as likely to bite you. (Insert your "That dog'll bite you!" joke here.)
When demeaning my alma mater, Mandel sniffs that Georgia's last national title "came 27 years ago." That is a fair criticism, although, as both Paul Westerdawg and Steve Spurrier have pointed out, national championships are such a rarity and are so dependent upon so many uncontrollable variables that it is hard to hold that attainment against a team (such as, say, Florida State prior to 1993, Michigan prior to 1997, Ohio State prior to 2002, or Texas prior to 2005) that either has never won one or has gone decades between No. 1 finishes.
I am curious to know what Mandel's cutoff point is, though. Georgia and Penn State have each won two consensus national titles. The Bulldogs' most recent such crown was in 1980. The Nittany Lions' latest such championship was in 1986. Is the difference between the year Dan Quayle was elected to the U.S. Senate and the year Dan Quayle was re-elected to the U.S. Senate really that big a distinction?
I will grant that teams that have won multiple titles in relatively short spans (such as Miami between 1983 and 1991, Nebraska between 1994 and 1997, and Southern California in 2003 and 2004) deserve extra credit for their stellar achievements. There is, however, something to be said for history and consistency. After all, anyone who follows major league baseball knows that the Atlanta Braves are a national power and the Florida Marlins aren't . . . yet the latter have won two World Series titles since the former won their only one.
Since winning their most recent national title in 1986, the Nittany Lions have finished third (1991), second (1994), seventh (1996), and third (2005) in the final A.P. poll. Since winning their most recent national title in 1980, the Bulldogs have finished sixth (1981), fourth (1982), fourth (1983), eighth (1992), 10th (1997), third (2002), seventh (2003), seventh (2004), and 10th (2005) in the final A.P. poll.
To be fair, both have had numerous rankings between 11th and the mid-teens in that span, as well as suffering through extended downcycles such as those endured by the 'Dawgs in the mid-1990s and by the Lions in the early 21st century. Once again, the point is not to demean Penn State, but to demonstrate how Mandel's own criteria work against him.
Although he "would tell you without a moment's hesitation that Penn State is a national power while Georgia is not," Mandel believes "the key component" is "a history of on-field success," but a team "must also continue to maintain relevance" and be "perceived by the public" as having "a certain cachet or aura."
"What the French call a certain . . . I-don't-know-what."
All right, fair enough. Georgia has a history that includes exactly as many consensus national titles as Penn State. Since the Nittany Lions joined the Big Ten in 1993, both Georgia and Penn State have won two conference titles, with the most recent league championship for each coming in 2005.
Historically, the Bulldogs have an all-time winning percentage of .642 (13th best in Division I-A) and have claimed 702 victories in 113 football seasons (11th best in Division I-A). The Nittany Lions have an all-time winning percentage of .688 (11th best in Division I-A) and have claimed 780 victories in 120 football seasons (tied for sixth best in Division I-A).
Georgia has been to 42 bowl games (sixth best in Division I-A) and the Bulldogs have won 23 of them. Penn State has been to 39 bowl games (eighth best in Division I-A) and the Nittany Lions have won 25 of them.
Since 1990, neither team has won a national title, but Georgia has finished in the Associated Press top 10 six times and Penn State has finished in the Associated Press top 10 four times.
What possible argument could there be that Georgia and Penn State are not reasonably equivalent football programs? Both have storied histories. Both have achieved renewed relevance in the 21st century, as attested to by the poll votes which would seem to reflect that "certain cachet" with which they are "perceived."

Granted, we've changed coaches more recently than the Johnson Administration. (Insert your "Andrew Johnson!" joke here.)
Penn State is as good a football program as Stewart Mandel supposes. Georgia, however, does not deserve to be relegated to second-tier status behind a comparable program like the one in State College.
I know that Mandel is using criteria which are subjective to the point of being silly. (Tennessee, which has not won an S.E.C. championship since 1998, made it into the first rank because Mandel "figured those 100 fans in Montana still know 'Rocky Top,' the checkered end zones and that Peyton Manning went there." Gosh, it's too bad Georgia hasn't produced a recent Super Bowl M.V.P. . . . unless you, like, count Hines Ward, or something. . . .)
Stewart Mandel and his theoretical band of refugees from the cattle drive in "Lonesome Dove" don't know their hindquarters from a hash mark. When elevating such schools as Florida, which has a comparable athletics program and which has had a comparable recent successful season, over Georgia, which has the S.E.C.'s best winning percentage over the last decade, he demonstrates a selective ignorance riddled with internal inconsistencies.
MaconDawg is right that beat reporters deserve more credit and respect than they receive (well, except for the occasional journalist who doesn't know the score). The chattering class of the sports punditocracy, however, is growing increasingly irrelevant as it becomes steadily more insipid in its asinine pronouncements.
Stewart Mandel is a blithering dufus and, until he actually bothers to do a little research, he should do us all a favor and stuff a sock in it. At the very least, he ought to stop ignorantly maligning my alma mater and Montana.
Go 'Dawgs!
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Hear, hear
by Doug on Aug 10, 2007 8:51 AM EDT 0 recs
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by fotodog on Aug 10, 2007 10:11 AM EDT 0 recs
Feh
Also, on the marketability front, given where we are in merchandising sales every year Mandel may be even more off base (as if UGA on the cover of SI wasn't bad enough). Unfortunately, I've yet to dig up data over a meaningful period (I'd love to look at the past 20 years but I bet that's not all available), but I've seen some lists for a given year where we're ahead of PSU. Now, merchanidising is not something I'd consider to be a great measure since you really need to break it down by region to understand the true national appeal of a school. But the fact that we are on national TV a good deal and sell so much schwag has relevance.
Now, I might buy into the argument that our national presence is somewhat diminished by a few factors. E.g. not winning a national title, Only recently regaining the conference crown (though our record this decade speaks for itself and answers to no one), the Vince Dooley Scheduling Algorithm(tm) employed to generate OOC our schedule for much of the past 30+ years.
But that's an entirely separate argument than what Mandel has made. And it's just absurd to make an argument for Tennessee (who at least has been to a conference title game since they won the MNT) or PSU being a national power and then say UGA comes up short.
by peacedog on Aug 10, 2007 12:11 PM EDT 0 recs
bad choice of words
But I think what Mandel is trying to say is that outside of the Southeast, Georgia doesn't carry the popularity or isn't as present in the minds of the average fan as much as Florida, USC, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame. I would tend to agree with that assessment, having been asked on more than one occasion when visiting the west coast "Why is your Green Bay Packers hat red?"
It's worth pointing out that Mandel's list of "Kings" is responsible for at least a share of the last 16 national champs and, with the exceptions of Penn St. and Notre Dame, every team in that group has won a national title in the last 15 years. (and of course, how can Notre Dame be left out of a list of nationally prominent teams, what with a big-time movie based on their football program and an entire TV network devoted to their games, no matter how insignificant).
And therein lies the truth of the matter...national 'recognition/familiarity' is largely a result of national titles, which in the case of this sport have as much to do with luck as anything (compare UGA 2002 to LSU 2003 and FLA 2006). I am constantly having to throw stats out there to people (like Georgia is the winningest SEC program in the last 5 years) to prove that UGA has been as good as any SEC team in recent years, which most non-Southern fans seem shocked to learn. Hell, even I was surprised when I first heard that factoid. It's because Georgia just hasn't yet gotten that championship that UF, LSU, and UT have.
Believe me, I get as riled up as anyone when Georgia is mislabeled as "mediocre" or "2nd-tier" (http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=ncaa&id=ncf&tid=1228520&lid=50 and http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=ncaa&id=130&tid=1143065&lid=10). But in this case, I really don't think that is what Mandel is suggesting. That's why I don't find fault with what he's trying to say. But perhaps he could have said it in a better way, such as "Here is my assessment of the popularity or familiarity of college teams on a national scale".
by rfitz on Aug 10, 2007 12:25 PM EDT 0 recs
The problem with Mandel's reasoning
The narrative, as such, is crap.
by peacedog on
Aug 10, 2007 3:17 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'll buy that
It's even more like the Heisman Trophy, which purportedly goes to the most outstanding player in college football and actually goes to the most heavily hyped quarterback, running back, or wide receiver from the national championship frontrunner and/or (O.K., really just "or") Notre Dame.
If Stewart Mandel wants to stratify college football teams according to their Q-rating, that's fine; he just needs to own up to what he's actually doing rather than misusing the term "national power."
National title or not, you don't finish in the top 10 for four years running and not qualify as a "national power," particularly when you're the only team in your B.C.S. conference to have done so during the last five years.
If Nat Hudson hadn't thrown the block that allowed Buck Belue to avoid the sack, giving him time to find Lindsay Scott for the Miracle on Duval Street, Georgia's record for 1980 to 1983 would have been 42-5-1 instead of 43-4-1. Nevertheless, according to Stewart Mandel, Georgia would not have qualified as a "national power" in 1984 because the Bulldogs' most recent consensus national title would have come in 1942.
It's getting to the point where, when Mark Richt and Matthew Stafford lead the 'Dawgs to the national championship a couple of years from now, my reaction to the achievement won't be joy, it'll be relieved indignation, allowing me to ask all these pundits, "Is Georgia a national power now?"
Ultimately, Mandel is just pulling a Bill Simmons, operating from the understanding that his frame of reference is the only one that counts and treating his narrow parochialism as "national" while treating my narrow parochialism as "provincial."
You're probably right that he's just misusing his terms rather than deliberately insulting the 'Dawgs, but it would behoove him to use his terms more precisely, so as not to give offense . . . something, by the way, with which I have much unfortunate recent experience!
Thanks for offering your take, rfitz. I appreciate getting a different perspective provided in such a reasonable way.
by T Kyle King on
Aug 10, 2007 3:24 PM EDT
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You're giving Mandel way too much credit on this.
If that's all it is, why is Florida listed among the elite, UT listed among the elite with an asterisk and LSU listed in the second tier with an asterisk? There's no rhyme or reason to many of his picks.
Mandel is the Justice Potter Stewart of national football writers - he knows a national power when he sees it.
by Senator Blutarsky on
Aug 10, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
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At least Potter Stewart staked out a position...
Stewart Mandel is the Sandra Day O'Connor of national football writers, casting willy-nilly swing votes without rhyme, reason, or predictability, applying gut-reactive, touchy-feely "balancing tests" that never quite rise to the level of actual analysis, and incessantly giving the impression that the available options were arrayed in random fashion before the decisionmaker, who then went through the choices like Madeline Kahn in "History of the World, Part I": "Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, yesssss!"
by T Kyle King on
Aug 10, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
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Mandell is such a moron
by Vindexdawg on Aug 10, 2007 1:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Michigan
by UGA599 on Aug 11, 2007 9:58 PM EDT 0 recs






