Can We All Agree? (Heisman Trophy Edition)
It is time once again for a special segment we provide here at Dawg Sports called "Can We All Agree?"
As sports fans, we have many areas of dispute over which reasonable people can and do disagree, but some subjects are so straightforward and one-sided that we should be able to reach a consensus and dispense with what ought to be settled questions so we can move on to matters of genuine disagreement.
Such as, for instance, identifying the second-best player in University of Georgia history.
This latest installment of "Can We All Agree?" was inspired by a recent report from College Football Resource, who has informed us that we have been given the latest Heisman Trophy odds.
Unfortunately, those odds have come from a source whose site I have refused to visit as a matter of general principle since an exchange in a February 2006 comment thread over at The M Zone, so I have no idea what said source asserted, but the reference to college football's most overrated award reminded me that it was high time to revive an old argument.
The Heisman Trophy is awarded after the end of the regular season but before the start of the bowl games. Historically, this timing was not without legitimate justification. Prior to 2002, a player's postseason achievements did not count toward his season statistics or his career totals. Prior to 1965 (for the sportswriters' poll) and prior to 1974 (for the coaches' poll), the final rankings were released after the regular season was completed, leading to such anomalous results as national championships awarded to Minnesota in 1960 and to Alabama in 1973, despite those teams' subsequent losses in the Rose and Sugar Bowls, respectively. Postseason games, in essence, were little more than entertaining exhibitions.
That was then, this is now. The 2007 season will be the sixth in which postseason statistics count when compiling a player's season-long numbers, the 10th in which the Bowl Championship Series purportedly matches the country's top two teams, and the 34th in which both major polls crown a national champion only after the conclusion of all of the bowl games.
In light of those realities, what possible justification (other than ESPN's need to fill air time during early December) could be offered for awarding the Heisman Trophy before the contenders have played all of their games . . . and, in most cases, prior to the point at which the most deserving candidates have taken the field for their most important performances of the year?

It's too bad the Rose Bowl wasn't relevant to determining the best player in college football in 2005.
How truly skewed are the results being produced by the existing system? Consider, for example, the case of the last seven recipients of the trophy:
Reggie Bush, Southern California (2005): Against Texas in the Rose Bowl, the Trojan tailback was only the second-best rusher on his team in terms of carries (13), yards (82), and touchdowns (1). Bush was badly outplayed by Heisman Trophy runner-up Vince Young, who went 30-for-40 for 267 yards and no picks through the air and rushed for 200 yards and three touchdowns on the ground.
Matt Leinart, Southern California (2004): The Trojan quarterback lived up to his hype in the Orange Bowl, connecting on 18 of his 35 pass attempts for 332 yards and five touchdowns in a 55-19 thrashing of an overrated Oklahoma squad that probably should have been passed over in favor of Auburn. (I hate Auburn.)
Jason White, Oklahoma (2003): The Sooner signal-caller was left bruised, battered, and bewildered in the Sugar Bowl, in which he completed just 13 of his 37 passes for 102 yards and a pair of interceptions. The Bayou Bengals sacked White on Oklahoma's final offensive play to seal the victory for L.S.U.
Carson Palmer, Southern California (2002): The Trojan Q.B. earned Orange Bowl M.V.P. honors for his season-ending performance against Iowa and Heisman Trophy runner-up Brad Banks. Palmer went 21-of-31 for 303 yards, including a 65-yard bomb to Kareem Kelly. Although the U.S.C. quarterback threw only one touchdown pass, he led the Men of Troy on four scoring drives of 79 yards or longer in a 38-17 victory over the Hawkeyes.
Eric Crouch, Nebraska (2001): While absorbing a 37-14 drubbing from Miami in the Rose Bowl, the Cornhusker quarterback completed five out of 15 passes for 62 yards, fumbled in the first quarter to give the Hurricanes an early lead, and threw the interception that signaled that the rout was on in Pasadena.
Chris Weinke, Florida State (2000): The final score of the Orange Bowl did not begin to describe the magnitude of the beatdown administered to the Seminoles in general and to their quarterback in particular. Weinke, best known as the Teletubby of questionable sexual orientation, completed less than half of his passes (25 for 51) and threw two interceptions. Meanwhile, Oklahoma's Josh Heupel tallied 214 yards through the air on 25-for-39 passing as the Sooners held the ball for more than 36 minutes of clock time.
Some of those games confirmed the correctness of the Heisman Trophy voting---and by "some," I mean two---but the rest raised real questions about the validity of the verdict.

This recent pattern is far from aberrational, as attested to by a whole host of historical examples best summarized in just two words: Gino Torretta.
Might a few of those Heisman Trophy ballotings have turned out differently had the voters simply waited to see how those seasons played out in the end? Indeed, isn't there a plausible argument to be made for the proposition that the poor performance of Heisman Trophy winners in bowl games results partly from the premature bestowing of the award?
The trip to New York City and the resulting media attention cannot help but distract the recipient from the business of preparing for the bowl game and many winners appear to begin believing their own press clippings, as evidenced by Reggie Bush's impromptu lateral in the Rose Bowl against Texas.
Furthermore, when a player receives the Heisman Trophy in early December, he receives the undivided attention of the opponent he will be facing in early January. His presence on the field becomes a motivating factor for the other team's players and he becomes the focal point of the game plan put together by the other team's coaches. The stiffarm statue becomes an albatross around his neck and paints a target on his back, as attested to by Marquise Hill.
The current method of presenting the trophy involves bestowing an award upon the basis of less than all of the relevant information and requires running the risk of changing the nature of the important games that are to follow. It is bad enough that Heisman Trophy voters are allowed to send in their ballots early, but to compel the decisionmakers to submit their votes prematurely further undermines the dubious credibility of what is already the least legitimate major award in all of sports.
Andre Ware, for crying out loud? Dude, get serious! (Image from Hollywood Collectibles, Inc.)
Reasonable football fans may differ over which contender is most deserving of the honor in any given year, but can we all agree that the Heisman Trophy should not be given out until after the end of the bowl games?
Let me know in the comments below if you concur with my judgment that this is a sentiment with which only an ESPN marketing executive could quarrel.
Go 'Dawgs!
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I guess its not REALLY on topic, but...
Not to steal Kyle's thunder - but can we all agree on the following:
- Marinaro deserved the Heisman in 1971
- Kyle hates Auburn
- and rightfully so
by Blogger who came in from the cold on Jun 17, 2007 8:02 PM EDT 0 recs
We are in complete agreement, sir
In his senior year, Marinaro led the nation in rushing, all-purpose yardage, and scoring for a squad that went 8-1 and shared the Ivy League championship with Dartmouth. Marinaro captured the Maxwell Award, which tends to have a better track record of identifying excellence than the Heisman Trophy, on the strength of a season in which he carried the ball 356 times for 1,881 yards (5.3 yards per carry).
I have something of a personal stake in this, as well. Ed Marinaro went on to play Officer Joe Coffey in one of my all-time favorite T.V. shows, "Hill Street Blues," while Pat Sullivan made his case for the Heisman Trophy between the hedges on November 13, 1971, when the Plainsmen ran their record to 9-0 on the strength of a 35-20 victory over the Bulldogs. The loss was the lone blemish on Georgia's record that autumn. I hate Auburn.
Sullivan's argument for the award was weaker in 1971 than it had been the year before. In his senior year, the Auburn quarterback attempted exactly as many passes as he had in 1970 (281), but he had fewer completions (162, down from 167) and substantially fewer yards (2,012, down from 2,586) in 1971, a season that, arguably, wasn't as good for the Tigers as the previous campaign had been. In each of those years, Auburn went 9-2. In 1970, the War Eagle scored 31 or more points nine times, beat Alabama, and won the Gator Bowl. In 1971, the War Eagle scored 31 or more points six times, lost to Alabama, and lost the Sugar Bowl.
In my view, Pat Sullivan's case for the Heisman Trophy was a lot like Peyton Manning's; both S.E.C. quarterbacks had better arguments for winning the award as juniors than they had for winning the award as seniors. Perhaps Sullivan should have taken home the hardware in 1970, when the stiffarm statue went to Stanford's Jim Plunkett (who threw for 129 more yards on 77 more attempts and 24 more completions). In 1971, though, Marinaro got hosed.
by T Kyle King on Jun 17, 2007 9:14 PM EDT 0 recs
Thanks for the support
by Blogger who came in from the cold on
Jun 18, 2007 2:44 PM EDT
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Just to be clear . . .
Consequently, Sullivan's argument was better during his junior season than during his senior season. It may well be the case that his argument fell short of sufficiently even in 1970, but, clearly, it was inadequate in 1971.
by T Kyle King on
Jun 18, 2007 5:18 PM EDT
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Oops . . .
My bad.
by T Kyle King on
Jun 18, 2007 5:19 PM EDT
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What About Great Players On Bad Teams?
In considering the nature of this particular award, we must keep in mind that it is an individual award rather than a team award. Consequently, it would seem that we must endeavor to do justice to the individual nominees.
As I understand the Heisman Award, it is intended to recognize the best individual football player in any given season. While this player will generally be found on a bowl eligible team, there is no reason to believe that will always be the case. If a top Heisman candidate were on a team that did not participate in a bowl, either due to its record, NCAA sanctions or self-imposed team sanctions, that would in no way make such a player less deserving of the award. However, the lack of media attention he would receive as compared to other Heisman candidates would place such a player at a huge disadvantage were the Heisman ballots to be collected after the bowls. Such a result seems manifestly unfair to the individual nominee.
The award is already more of a popularity contest than an unbiased evaluation of one's skill and performance, and ESPN* is as guilty as anyone of placing a premium on hype instead of substance. Allowing the pageantry and hoopla of the bowl season to further influence the voting process would only exacerbate the problem. Hence, as much as it pains me to admit it, I believe the worldwide leader actually gets this one right for a change.
*Author's note: No part of the foregoing argument should be construed as a general endorsement of ESPN or its practices. The reader is further encouraged to keep in mind that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
by Marshal J Duncan on Jun 18, 2007 11:12 AM EDT 0 recs
Fair point, Marshal
Bowl games are a part of the season. They count in a team's won-lost record, they are included in a player's statistics, and they determine national titles. We simply cannot credibly determine the best college football player of the year without waiting until the year is over before making a decision.
Many Heisman Trophy recipients have tanked in bowl games. Accordingly, it is plausible that a great player on a bad team would benefit from being "in the clubhouse" after the regular season was over while the other players in contention for the trophy lost ground by playing poorly in the postseason.
The "popularity contest" aspect of the voting is a problem, but this situation would be improved by a requirement that the Heisman Trophy voters hold their ballots until the end of the season. Guys who otherwise would have sent their ballots in early would be required to gather more information about all of the candidates before voting, so a delayed determination of the winner would benefit strong finishes by all contenders, bowl-bound or otherwise.
by T Kyle King on
Jun 18, 2007 5:28 PM EDT
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Andre Ware was unforgiveable
Double thumbs up to moving the award announcement. It's so obvious, that it's just as likely not to happen in our lifetimes as within.
Heisman as an individual award - absolutely without question an issue. I really wish they'd come up with an MVP award and give that out separately, and let the Heisman be what it is supposed to be. I years where a guy can make dual claim - Hershel, for example, or Young in the year he should have beaten Bush - it's just that much more exciting.
by peacedog on Jun 18, 2007 2:03 PM EDT 0 recs
why not?
Incidentally, I have an irrational dislike of Auburn. I may be imagining it, but my memory of their 2003 game against USCseemed to involve a lot pre-game smugness from Auburn and I've disliked them ever since. Presumably they would have given SC a better game in the 2005 Orange Bowl, but when Tuberville was on at half-time of that game, bleating about how the Tigers had been overlooked, I thought he should be pleased for his good fortune - Auburn wouldn't have suffered a stomping on the epic scale absorbed by Oklahoma, but I doubt that they would have won.
by DC Trojan on Jun 19, 2007 12:37 AM EDT 0 recs
I think you're exactly right:
It would have been more like 49-27.
by T Kyle King on
Jun 19, 2007 12:41 AM EDT
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P.S.:
It may be that your dislike of Auburn is visceral rather than considered, but I'd be only too happy to provide you with perfectly valid reasons why your instinctive dislike of the Plainsmen is entirely correct.
by T Kyle King on
Jun 19, 2007 12:43 AM EDT
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Fire away
by DC Trojan on
Jun 21, 2007 2:28 AM EDT
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If you want to know why Vince didn't win it
Vince's poor play (and Reggie's great showing against UCLA last that weekend) gave Bush the Heisman.
Last year, after the bowl games, who would you give the Heisman to? You won't give it to Troy Smith, fine, but who does that leave? Brady Quinn's crapulent performance in the Sugar Bowl?
Maybe Darren McFadden?
Worst post-Heisman Award bowl beatdown?
Gotta be BYU's Ty Detmer in the 1990 Holiday Bowl. BOTH of his shoulders were separated in that game, as BYU set a record for, at the time, the worst bowl loss ever.
by Beergut on Jun 19, 2007 4:04 AM EDT 0 recs











