A Word or Two About Terrance Moore's Article
[Editor's Note: Below is an excellent diary from early this morning, which I have bumped up to the main page in order to call greater attention to its fine point. Nice job, randomterrace.---T.K.K.]
I'm not sure how many of you read Mr. Moores article in the AJC about how Georgia was "foolish" and classless in celebrating thier touchdown and racking up penalty yardage. The article goes on at length to explain that A) what Richt ordered the kids to do probably worked and was probably smart and necessary, but B) he still shouldn't have done it.
Terrance Moore does not believe what he wrote. I feel very sure of this, because he dedicates several paragraphs to the "yes, but" concession list that marks bad arguements. I feel very sure of this, because I suspect that Terrance Moore is not actually an idiot, or someone that has some kind of axe to grind against UGA. Because of these reasons, it seems almost silly to write anything refuting his contrived and contrarian bid for moral authority and attention. Almost.
The decision to celebrate the touchdown, while costly, was not indicative of a lack of institutional control or "foolishness." It was Mark Richt making a decision (days in advance) to spark the dwindling fires of the UGA players, coaches and fanbase. The celebration was, in addition, bereft of any serious taunting of belittling(sic) of the opponent. Dancing, in my book, is not taunting.
Moore also makes Coach Richt out to be a hypocrite for getting upset that our players stomped on the Vanderbilt logo before turning around and encouraging them in their most recent "foolishness." Let us debunk this absurd claim.
- The Vanderbilt logo is on Vanderbilts home field. Richt was upset that we were showing up an opponent at thier home stadium. Jacksonville, our record of the last 17 years notwithstanding, is NOT an away stadium. It is just as much ours as Florida's. The decision to celebrate, as much as anything else, dismantled the Gators' percieved home-field advantage. I repeat - Jacksonville is OUR stadium too. We can celebrate when and where we choose, without showing up or humiliating the opponent.
- Vanderbilt, recent successes notwithstanding, is Vanderbilt. We should never lose to Vanderbilt, in any stadium at any time. To celebrate a last minute victory over a historically bad team reinforces mediocrity and insults the great teams of a few years ago. Georgia doesn't do that because Georgia is much, much better than Vanderbilt.
- Richts anger at Vanderbilt and emotion in Jacksonville are two sides of the same coin, a fact that Moore chooses to ignore. Both lit a considerable fire under the players, both reinforced the high expectations this program should have every year. Both were acceptable and in my humble opinion, damn near necessary.
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Moore's article was right on target
by Hortdawg on Oct 28, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
I respectfully disagree
Were we "shoving it in their face" with the celebration? Yeah, probably. Just like Steve Spurrier dropping 50 on us in Athens in '95, just like Reggie Nelson openly dogging Mo Massaquoi last year. They've been the a*holes in this rivalry for the last 18 years, and for the most part we just sat back and took it. Basically what Richt did was decide that a) we weren't going to take it anymore and b) we were going to try and be the a*holes for once. I think the team found that it felt kinda good.
Some recruits might wonder "if Georgia is truly a top-tier SEC or a wanna-be," but I think the scoreboard at the end of the game probably answered most of those questions. I think it was much more likely that potential recruits decided they liked Richt's guts, and that he's the kind of guy they'd like to play for.
Celebration or no celebration, we took care of business, and from the coaching staff right on down to the bench players and water boys, I'm proud of our team today. GO DAWGS!
by dougisthesoulmachine on Oct 28, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Yes yes and yes again
Hortdawg...I respectfully disagree. From my perspective in the upperdeck in the stadium, the intended effect was clearly achieved in the players, coaches and fans. It was such a bold (call it immature and foolish if you like) move that it set the tone that this year we were not going to play this game like we played many of the last 10-15 games in this series - like a kid desperately holding onto a toy just waiting for a bigger kid to come take it away. Sure, we had to kick off from the 7 yard line and Florida got an easy touchdown. But, Florida likely was going to score a touchdown on the ensuing possession regardless of the yard line from which we kicked off. But, the bold move instilled in our players and fans the attitude that we are going to give Florida much more than they bargained for. What is more, at that point, at least 20% of the Florida section seats were still empty. Their fans were dragging themselves into the stadium and by the time they got seated, we had cranked up a buzzsaw and nobody saw it coming.
Also, I think your comments underestimate Coach Richt and overestimate our 18-20 year old players. I have no doubt that Coach Richt has tried many of the "classier ways to fire up" this team and we are all aware of the results. If Coach Richt felt like this was an effective way to fire up this group of kids, I respect his judgment. More importantly, hindsight overwhelmingly validates his judgment.
Regarding the players, no one can ever be sure what action will fire up a group of young kids in a given situation, but a good old school Lou Holtz pep talk probably would not have been all that effective. But, you know what was effective? Instructing them to celebrate and have fun. That worked.
I would be concerned if we behaved like that in every game. But, the beauty of this move was that it was a once-in-a-lifetime gimmick and it worked like a thing of unadulterated beauty. Those kids have never had more fun playing football than they did yesterday.
My guess is that we lose exactly zero recruits as a result of this celebration.
Your comment about "real winners" is valid. But let's be honest, every college football fan in the country knows about how Florida has dominated this series since 1990. Real winners don't lose 15 out of 17 to a rival. I would much prefer that despite the recent run of success by the Gators that our psyche would still be one of complete confidence and swagger, but it has not been for some time. However, if this game is the start of a UGA winning streak in the series, we magically will become known as "real winners" in the minds of football fans other than those dressed in red and black with a propensity for barking.
GO DAWGS!
by Hamp at HunkerDownDawg on Oct 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
Moore's jab
i can easily see how someone who follows a different team or a different conference and who doesn't know where these players have been could view their actions as classless and low-rent. i thought it was great, and the "suggestion" cmr made to his team that instigated it was a brilliant piece of coaching psychology. and you know what? they did win, and maybe this had something to do with it.
more than this, though, is the fact that cmr--of any coach--has more bankable credibility in the integrity department than anyone, so i'll take my cues about what is or is not foolish from him, thank you.
t. moore banged out an ill-considered, mean-spirited piece of crap because sometimes that's what small-minded people with big megaphones and deadlines do.
by baltimore dawg on Oct 28, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
and another thing!
II. An arguement I hear a lot in condemning the celebration is "what if we had lost?" Well, what if we had? Would the gesture have lost it's quality just because we lost? I don't think so. I said to myself at the time, "If we don't score one more point, it was worth it to let them know we're not afraid." I also told my fiancee to hit me hard in the face if I ever, ever doubted coach Richt again (which I have in this very blog.) That isn't to say that I'll never doubt him, just that I'll keep it to myself next time, waiting for the inevitable sunrise of his superior knowledge, talent and experience.
P.S. Sorry about all the spelling errors, but it was very, very late.
by randomterrace on Oct 28, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
Mark Richt has earned . . .
During the '90s, the 'Dawgs were losing by big margins to better-coached Gator squads. Since the turn of the century, though, Florida hasn't been more talented or better coached; the Saurians simply have had a psychological edge, which has come back to haunt the Bulldogs time and again.
That is now done. Georgia may lose to Florida next year, but Georgia won't be intimidated by Florida any longer. An in-your-face gesture once in a great while is necessary and desirable. Good for Mark Richt for realizing that and doing something about it.
with the results...
The Dogs knew that they were expected not to back down and the fans learned that this was a different approach than the recent games and recent WLOCP's.
On a technical note, I would have rather 77 had celebrated instead of taunted, so it was 15 yards, not 30, but Fla helped us with a penalty on the return and they started on the 37 which isn't unheard of against our return team.
Honestly...
He smiled at a dogpile in Tuscaloosa, showed a spark after the game in Nashville, and then last night he let his emotions go a lot more than he normally does. He's not going to turn into Dan Hawkins or Bobby Knight. He is, however, still willing to learn and grow as a coach, and he might be picking up a few new motivational techniques.
Pretty good for a 7th year coach who is a third of the way to passing Vince Dooley. Many people with his resume and experience would think they already know everything they need to. But last year, he gave up the OC job, and this year, he picked up some fire.
There is a time and a place for everything, and I believe that last night was it. He is learning when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, when to walk away and when to jump around in the end zone.
As Hannibal Smith would say, "I love it when a plan comes together."
I agree!
by dawg fan 4 life on Oct 28, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
No Doubt It Worked
Meyer was beside himself mad and that certainly worked to our favor.
I was surprised that with as many PF type penalties that things never seemed on the verge of out of control. If it had been close to that, the blown defensive offsides and associated unnecessary roughness for hitting Stafford would have certainly resulted in a free for all.
My personal opinion is that it showed we were here and ready to claim our half of the field. They may have been upset that we disrespected their field, but if it is neutral then half of it is ours.
I think we should do it next year. If we are warned of grave consequences for running on the field then call Duke and get the Dukies to give us something to do on the sideline (maybe turn in unison and show them what we thing they should do). Then in 09 it will be so much in their minds that we won't even have to do it. After 09 alternate just to keep it as a possibility.
Great way to really get back into this series and stay in the running for the East.
Great to be a Bulldog on Saturday night.
I don't think any team (especially Georgia) should do anything to provoke our opponents, the "get a penalty" thing was a great idea. Maybe the team went a little too far.
Let's don't go overboard - let's keep Georgia the class act it's always been and leave the tacky-ness to the Gators, Jackets, etc.
by Elmo Lewis on Oct 28, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
"But" out
My statement should have read - I don't think any team (especially Georgia) should do anything to provoke our opponents, BUT the "get a penalty" thing was a great idea.
Sorry.
by Elmo Lewis on Oct 28, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
1 more thing
by Elmo Lewis on Oct 28, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
the fire we have been waiting for...
Georgiasports Blog
However, I think this is a one-and-done thing. We used it to our advantage and benefitted, but we don't need to make it a habit.
The passion, however needs to stay.
Now let's get ready to beat Troy.
That, fotodog . . .
by T Kyle King on Oct 28, 2007 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Tebow bumper stickers
by newt193 on Oct 28, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
Subject
Randomterrance - you make an interesting point about Moore Terrance possibly not having full belief in what he wrote. Something to think about.
TM is...
TM, no longer will you receive the benefit of my doubt. As I said above, your columns are completely self-serving, contrarian, and quite frankly, are nothing more than an attempt to shine the spotlight upon yourself rather than the subject you wish to illustrate.
Weighing in late
Several concerns:
- The play was under review. If the play had been overturned, UGA would have had a 30 yard penalty and no TD. That would have looked stupid to the nth degree.
- The ensuing TD had nothing to do with the penalties since UF had a penalty on the return and started on about the 35---pretty where they might have started had nothing happened.
- It could have turned ugly (think Miami-FIU). These are young people who are enthusiastic. It might not have taken much to start a fight. Watching it on my DVR today (Monday) I saw how disciplined UGA was in its undisciplined celebration). The team ran onto the field and stopped a couple of yards short of the players on the field.
- I expect that if UF scores first next year, we will see the same thing. I hope everyone here who is applauding UGA doing it remembers that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Good point . . . and good news
You make a fair point, SkiDawg. While we can point to the Gators' Spurrier-era antics, there is no particularly classless behavior we can point to under the Urban Meyer regime, so we cannot hide behind a "they started it" rationale, even if such an argument was an excuse.
Georgia served notice that the 'Dawgs will no longer be intimidated in a rivarly we used to own. The point having been made, and the victory having been won, the Red and Black need never---should never---do anything of the sort again.
As with a pitcher reciprocating after one of his teammates has been thrown at by the opposing hurler, we should expect retaliation next year, after which such displays will be at an end. Honestly, though, if the Gators don't stage a similar display next season, I'll be disappointed.
The Evil Genius wouldn't have ordered his players to incur a penalty in response; he'd have hung 50 on the Bulldogs and let that be that. Coach Meyer, however, has shown a susceptibility to letting opposing coaches get inside his head---Florida's loss to South Carolina in Urban Meyer's first year in Gainesville proves that---and, if he orders a retaliation next year, it will mean that Mark Richt accomplished his goal to a greater extent even than he had hoped.
If a head coach feels the need to offer up such a display against an opponent his team has beaten five-sixths of the time over the course of the preceding eighteen years, it will be a sign of weakness. (Remember how pitiful it was to see Georgia players stomping on the Vanderbilt logo; imagine how pathetic it would be if our head coach ordered such an exhibition rather than stopping such a sorry display.)
It will mean that Coach Richt didn't just get in Coach Meyer's head for one game---for one win---but for several. It will be a sure sign that the signal sent on Saturday (We are taking back this rivalry and we will not be intimidated any longer) was not just heard loud and clear, but believed by the partisans of a parvenu program that knows what we in Bulldog Nation all too often forget: Florida has had a winning tradition since the 1990s and Georgia has had a winning tradition since the 1890s.
The Bulldogs' end zone demonstration in Jacksonville in 2007 was intended to indicate that the Red and Black no longer can be counted on to lose five out of every six games against the Gators. A Florida end zone demonstration in Jacksonville in 2008 might very well mean that the Classic City Canines have a real shot at winning four out of the next five games against the Orange and Blue.
I'm happy to know the Gators are no longer in the Bulldogs' heads. I'd be ecstatic to learn that the 'Dawgs have gone back to being firmly entrenched inside the Saurians' noggins. Ownership of the real estate in the interior of Urban Meyer's cranium means a reassertion of ownership of the real estate in Jacksonville Municipal Stadium.
It's Over!
By the way, cancel Tim Tebow's reservation for the New York Downtown Athletic clus AS WELL AS his room in Atlanta!
Maybe next year Timmy Boy!
On 680 The Fan this afternoon . . .
That settles it. This issue has reached the level of high comedy if presumptuous advocates of teaching impressionable young children to shout profanely their desire to see supporters of the country's oldest state-chartered university suffer eternal damnation have the unmitigated gall to criticize us for a lack of class.

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