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To Have and Have Not: A Primer on Football, Fairness, and the B.C.S.

The discussion provoked by my final BlogPoll ballot generated some comments which warranted detailed responses and this posting is the latest installment in a series of attempts to address issues dealing directly with the fundaments of college football in the 21st century. After offering an answer to some questions from DC Trojan, I made an initial effort at replying to a lengthy comment by BCSBusters, the pertinent portion of which reads as follows:

USC is a part of the CFA, even though the conference vote back in the mid-1980's went against their hopes and vision to align with the CFA. They still benefit like LSU did this past year. My argument today is not that USC or the PAC-10 didn't get a chance to win or play in the championship.

My point is this system of placing poll votes is highly invalid and inaccurate, no matter who conducts it, is full of social bias and flat out discrimination, and can be manipulated to benefit the elite juggernauts to satisfy the television ratings.

This system of ranking conferences ahead or below each other is a complete sham, and quite frankly, it leads to the argument we are having today, because it sways pollsters who vote in the polls, again, whether it be the Blog-Poll, AP or the BCS.

I do not reward LSU anymore for this years mythical championship anymore than I did USC's in 2004, since Auburn was undefeated as well. I just get tired of the smear campaign against the PAC-10 or the Rose Bowl. The conference tie-ins to all the bowls is the problem, it isn't specific to the Rose Bowl itself, and I'm tired of our conference getting bashed because some greedy conferences want access to the second best ratings bowl, when they do not open up their own bowl tie-ins to other teams, like Boise State, Fresno State, Utah or BYU and PAC-10 teams like Oregon, Oregon State or California as well.


BCSBusters expounded upon these themes in a subsequent comment:
USC and UCLA are a part of the CFA. At the same time, they are also penalized by being on the other side of the alliance, with their association with the PAC-10.

Think about this. USC had to win something like 30 out of 32 games in a row before they were given the opportunity to even play in the BCS championship game.

It's a bit of a catch 22, but Oregon, California, Oregon State and even Washington do not get the same adulation or credit in the eyes of the BCS, as USC does now, and it took winning 30 out of 32 games before the BCS poll finally relented and placed USC against Oklahoma in 2004.

This is but one part of 50 different subplots that formulate the riddle wrapped up inside the enigma that I talk about in the book manuscript. Some people claim that I am over-exaggerating, maybe looking to hard for a connection here.

The bottom line for me is that in 16 years of the BCS, Bowl Alliance and Bowl Coalition, not a single team outside of this CFA alliance has competed in the national championship game. How do you explain that, especially given the parity witnessed this decade in college football. I don't think that could happen just be accident.

This is not an attack, this is a question that I am interested in your astute response.


This, in turn, echoed a sentiment previously expressed by BCSBusters in an earlier comment:
The rift between the Big-10 and PAC-10 versus the CFA is well documented in history, and since the same people are still in power, isn't it odd we are still having these same issues today and hurling the same insults back and forth?

When a person like James Carville comes along and bashes the PAC-10, Mountain West or WAC, and even more specifically the Rose Bowl, I like you Kyle, draw the line.

I've mentioned before in this series of articles that there isn't any difference between your conference tie in with the Sugar, Capitol One or Gator Bowls than there is with the PAC-10. Georgia's situation this year in wanting to get to the Rose Bowl isn't any different than California's situation in 2004.

Nearly every team that has been snubbed by the BCS(other than Oregon in the Fiesta) has gone on to lose their bowl game, instigating the over used and over blown phrase "The BCS Got it Right.

Do you think that every person that has been passed over for a job promotion that they felt they deserved did not have trouble coming back to work and giving 100%. This is human nature.

When Texas loses two straight Holiday Bowls to Oregon and Washington State, not a word was said about the BCS got it right, but the minute California or this years version Arizona State loses, we hear, Oh, by golly, I guess the BCS was right after all.


Before I begin my response (astute or otherwise), I believe two points must be made. First of all, while BCSBusters and I see many matters differently, I cannot deny that he brings a valid perspective to the table which is worth considering. We all have ingrained biases, many of which we hold and act upon without conscious awareness of the fact, so, as irksome as it may be to us to have the spotlight shone on our preconceived notions, our intellectual integrity demands that we give due thought to this weighty subject.

Secondly, and as a result of the first point, I believe it is important that you know where I am coming from before you fairly are able to evaluate my response. As someone who believes bloggers ought to be forthright about admitting their biases, I freely admit that I am an S.E.C. homer and I openly set forth the reasons why I am a Georgia fan.

This might have had a little something to do with it.

As a supporter of restoring the traditional pre-B.C.S. bowl tie-ins, I have defended Pac-10 commissioner Tom Hansen's defense of the Rose Bowl, even though I believe the best scenario is for the Granddaddy of 'Em All to give a guaranteed berth to the Pac-10 champion but not to the Big Ten champion. After tracing the history of bowl games, I proposed the following reform:

Automatic tie-ins between conferences and bowl games must be strengthened at the top and eliminated below. Since non-B.C.S. conferences are gaining in prestige and influence, it is unfair to disadvantage rising programs in what sometimes are called "mid-major" leagues by eradicating the bowl games that historically have hosted such squads while leaving in place guaranteed bids for six-win teams from the middle of a major conference pack.

Suppose, for instance, that a 10-2 Oklahoma team qualifies for an invitation to the Cotton Bowl and the Dallas-based game's arrangement with the S.E.C. requires that the other bid go to a 10-2 L.S.U. squad . . . which does not seem at all an unlikely scenario. Now assume, as well, that T.C.U. goes 12-0, which also is plausible. It might well be that the Bayou Bengals are more deserving of the Cotton Bowl berth than the Horned Frogs . . . but, then again, they might not be.

Cotton Bowl organizers might prefer to match Texas Christian with the Sooners, figuring that television viewers would tune in for a rematch of 2005's most surprising season-opener at the conclusion of the 2006 campaign and that attendance would be improved by the presence of a Lone Star State squad with a former Southwest Conference pedigree. Reasonable fans might argue over which team was the more deserving, but that argument ought at least to be possible and consequential. Weakening or abolishing conference tie-ins would create a wider range of options for intriguing match-ups in a truncated postseason.

At the same time, the integrity of the system demands that historic connections to major bowl games be respected to the extent possible. While I didn't much care for the Rose Bowl's whining at the end of the 2002 season---when neither Big Ten co-champion wound up in Pasadena---the organizers of the Granddaddy of 'Em All had a point. The addition of the fifth B.C.S. contest as the designated national championship game should help in this regard, but it needs to be set in stone: the top teams in the major conferences who are not bound for the title game must go to their traditional host bowls, period.


In a similar vein, I later took the time to show how giving the Mountain West champion a Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl berth likely would produce some competitive New Year's Day games. In last year's radical realignment proposal, I likewise devised an elaborate series of balanced bowl tie-ins.

Surely none of those ideas would have turned out any worse than giving Hawaii a Sugar Bowl bid did.

Moreover, while I believe I have given as good as I have gotten whenever the S.E.C. has been maligned or mischaracterized (as evidenced by the earlier and more heated portions of BCSBusters's and my exchange), I also have been willing to criticize my conference when the need arises.

While I take great pride in Georgia's football heritage, and particularly in Georgia's 50-year tradition of national scheduling that arose after Georgia stopped playing high school teams, I have no qualms about offering such constructive criticisms as these:

There are those who will scoff at Pac-10 football, sneering that Cal could afford to play better non-conference opponents than Georgia because, after all, the S.E.C. is better than its West Coast counterpart. If that is so, though, why is it that, since 1966, Pac-10 teams have won or shared seven national championships, very nearly equaling the nine earned by the S.E.C.? Yes, I know . . . S.E.C. teams beat up on each other. Well, guess what: Pac-10 teams do, too. . . .

S.E.C. scheduling has improved, but it hasn't improved enough. We're either a nationally prominent program or we're not. We're either the best conference in the country or we're not. We're either willing to prove it on the field or we're not. I don't know about you, but I'm ready for some football . . . anytime, anywhere, against anybody.

For what it's worth, Georgia is 7-0 against Pac-10 teams in games played in the Empire State of the South and 1-4-1 against Pac-10 teams in games played in the rest of the country. I'm ready to change that. Aren't you?


As someone who tries to promote good relations between conferences, I genuinely have trouble comprehending why there is so much feuding between leagues and I have taken the pledge not to engage in the conference wars.

I'm still on the fence about participating in the Clone Wars, though.

All that having been said, I see BCSBusters's points, but I also see some problems with them. I simply don't buy the premise that a team has any business grousing about a B.C.S. bowl snub if that squad subsequently comes up short in a lesser postseason outing. Nearly a year ago, I wrote the following in support of the proposition that, if you lose, you no longer get to complain:

Jeff Tedford would have gone to a B.C.S. bowl game, had it not been for Mack Brown's lobbying. Yes, Texas "two-stepped" around Cal . . . but can we all agree that it is sheer unmitigated nonsense to say that Cal should have gone to the Rose Bowl at the end of the 2004 season? . . .

Boise State fans get to gripe that they deserved a shot at the national title in 2006, because the Broncos went undefeated.

As much as it pains me to admit it, Auburn fans get to gripe that they deserved a shot at the national title in 2004, because the Plainsmen went undefeated.

Oregon fans get to gripe that they deserved a shot at the national title in 2001, because they went to a major bowl game and beat the Colorado team that beat the Nebraska team that took what would have been the Ducks' spot in the big game.

Georgia fans do not get to gripe about the illegitimacy of the Big East as a conference, because the Bulldogs went to the Sugar Bowl and lost to the Mountaineers.

Michigan fans do not get to gripe about the 2006 national championship, because Florida beat the Ohio State team that beat the Wolverines, who then turned right around and lost the Rose Bowl. . . .

Dislike the process if you like. Complain about the unseemliness of political machinations intruding upon a process decided by persuasion and voting if you will. Cal's unworthiness was proven on the field.


Plenty of teams have preferred a postseason pairing superior to the one they received yet still displayed the character and craftsmanship to claim victory over the opponent before them. Rutgers went 10-2 during the 2006 regular season, only to wind up in a pre-New Year's Eve bowl game against a seven-win Kansas State squad. The Scarlet Knights responded by blasting the Wildcats in a 37-10 thrashing. Bulldog Nation really wanted a Rose Bowl berth, but that didn't prevent Georgia from destroying Hawaii in the Superdome.

As I previously noted, any griping on behalf of Cal or any similarly situated team "is the equivalent of saying, 'Team A was a No. 5 N.C.A.A. tournament seed that got bounced in the first round by a No. 12 seed . . . but Team A really deserved a No. 3 seed!'" That argument will never make even the slightest headway with me. Head coaches are compensated handsomely to get their teams prepared and properly motivated. If the desire to silence the doubters isn't sufficient incentive for a team to play well enough to win against an inferior opponent, that's a point in the column of the doubters.

If you want to disprove the conventional wisdom of the polls, winning will serve you better than whining.

I likewise consider dubious the assertion that U.S.C. somehow was a victim of the system left on the outside looking in on the party to which the Trojans were not invited. Prior to Pete Carroll's arrival in the City of Angels, Southern California's pedigree included five national championships and four Heisman Trophy winners. As BCSBusters says, the Men of Troy did not receive a bid to the B.C.S. championship game until they finished the 2004 regular season with a 12-0 record and had won 31 outings in a 32-game span. Even before that, though, U.S.C. produced a Heisman Trophy recipient in 2002 and captured a share of the national title in 2003, despite not having appeared in the designated championship bowl game.

Even if the Trojans were given short shrift in that instance, though, they were far from alone. Georgia began the 2007 campaign as the winningest program in the S.E.C. over the course of the previous decade and the previous half-decade. No other team in the league had won nine games in each of the preceding five seasons and Mark Richt had established himself as just the fifth coach in Southeastern Conference history to have posted four straight ten-win seasons. Coach Richt's current career ledger of 72-19 not only makes him the best coach Georgia has ever had, it puts him not terribly far behind Coach Carroll, who has gone 76-14 over the same span (2001-2007).

The Bulldogs have won 64 of their last 79 games . . . yet, despite being as good a program as any in the S.E.C. (so much so that the Red and Black appear on the verge of becoming Southern Cal with a Southern accent), still we must contend with this sort of specious nonsense:

By any quantitative standard, Georgia has been a far better program than Penn State for some time now. Heck, the Nittany Lions have had four losing seasons this decade, while the Dawgs haven't won less than eight games in a season. And yet, I would tell you without a moment's hesitation that Penn State is a national power while Georgia is not.

So I suppose this raises a question: What exactly constitutes a "national power?" To be honest, I don't have a specific answer. Obviously, a history of on-field success (national championships, major bowls) is the key component, but the program must also continue to maintain relevance -- after all, Minnesota has a bunch of national titles on its mantle, but no one views the Gophers as a national power.

No, it's something more than wins and losses. It's a certain cachet or aura. It's the way a program is perceived by the public. Let me put it to you this way:

Suppose we went to, say, Montana. And suppose we found 100 "average" college football fans (not necessarily message-board crazies, but not twice-a-year viewers, either) and put them in a room. If I held up a Michigan helmet, my guess is all 100 would know exactly what it was. If I held up a picture of the USC song girls, all 100 would know who they were. If I happened to bring Joe Paterno along with me, all 100 would say, "Hey, look, it's Joe Paterno!"

But if I held up a Georgia "G" helmet, how many of them do you think would be able to identify it off the top of their head? And with all due respect to Mark Richt, if we secretly inserted him into a police lineup, how many of them would actually say, "Hey, look, it's Mark Richt!"


That was Sports Illustrated's Stewart Mandel at work, at least before he tried to leap on board the Georgia bandwagon and I booted him unceremoniously back off. It sounds to me like the 'Dawgs are in much the same boat that the Trojans were before ESPN declared them the greatest team of all time.

This brings us to the much-maligned College Football Association (C.F.A.), which has been defunct for more than a decade because it devolved into the sort of cartel it sought to replace, but which served its purposes well during its heyday. As recounted in John Sayle Watterson's College Football: History, Spectacle, Controversy, the C.F.A. came into being in response to the explosive growth of Division I to nearly 250 participating schools (some of which did not field football teams) and the extreme revenue-sharing proposals made by Stephen Horn, the grandstanding populist president of California State University-Long Beach who used the publicity he garnered from his quixotic efforts at playing Robin Hood to springboard a successful run for the U.S. House of Representatives.

Horn's radical reforms, which Michigan athletic director Don Canham derided as "socialism," would have divided up the television revenue pie in a manner that may have kept some failing programs like Long Beach's afloat but would have done so at the expense of schools like Northwestern and Rice, which played in major conferences but rarely appeared on television. The C.F.A., led by former Big Eight commissioner Chuck Neinas and University of Georgia president Fred Davison, had a better idea: bake a bigger pie.

N.C.A.A. executive director Walter Byers represented all institutions in the association in contract negotiations with television networks. A percentage of the revenues went to the purportedly non-profit N.C.A.A. in the form of a "football assessment," in exchange for which Byers made arrangements with A.B.C.'s Roone Arledge for the broadcast rights to college football games. Unfortunately, Byers took the shortsighted view that college football contests should be aired only sparingly, to avoid the risk of cheapening the coin through overexposure.

Admittedly, some folks really would do well to take the fear of overexposure to heart.

Byers's approach was particularly poorly timed, coming as it did when the N.F.L. was seizing an increasingly larger share of the football-hungry viewing audience. (Arledge himself had helped to perpetuate this trend, as he had created "Monday Night Football.") When Byers negotiated a deal with Arledge for A.B.C. to pay $29 million for the exclusive broadcast rights to N.C.A.A. football games for the 1978 and 1979 seasons, the C.F.A. (which consisted of the major independents, including Notre Dame, and the major conferences other than the Big Ten and the Pac-10) assigned Neinas, who previously had worked under Byers in N.C.A.A. television, the task of finding a better deal elsewhere.

Neinas succeeded spectacularly at his job. By the summer of 1981, the former conference commissioner had hammered out a deal with N.B.C. whereby the Peacock Network would pay $180 million for three years' worth of broadcast rights to C.F.A. members' games. This forced Byers's hand, necessitating that he arrange contracts worth $285 million over a four-year period between the N.C.A.A. and A.B.C., C.B.S., and T.B.S.

However, as Watterson notes, even the more lucrative N.C.A.A. deal "still kept a lid on the telecasts of big games." The C.F.A. wanted to move in the direction the future would confirm was the correct one---namely, cable television---but the foundation for Byers's entire strategy was to limit the number of contests that would be broadcast. The myopic mindset adopted by the N.C.A.A.'s chief negotiator remained unchanged until C.F.A. members such as the University of Georgia successfully mounted the legal challenge in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the several schools had an ownership interest in the broadcast rights to their own games.

At a time when the costs of intercollegiate athletics were spiraling out of control, leaving smaller schools especially susceptible to being driven out of the sports arena by too high a price tag, the C.F.A. tapped the sources of revenue the N.C.A.A. refused to pursue, thereby opening up the market and causing the popularity of college football to grow explosively. While the C.F.A. acted for the immediate benefit of the powerhouse programs and what we now call B.C.S. conferences, the benefits have accrued to every team in Division I-A, not equally but not inequitably. By the time the C.F.A. closed its doors in 1997, the success of the organization's court battle had produced not only the famous T.V. contracts between the S.E.C. and C.B.S. and between Notre Dame and N.B.C., but also, in the immediate aftermath of the 1984 Supreme Court decision, a four-year deal between C.B.S. and the non-C.F.A. Big Ten and Pac-10 conferences worth $10 million, as well as a $1 million deal for public television to air the games of the Division I-AA Ivy League.

Darn those greedy big-time football factories!

As evidenced by Dave's complaints about Pac-10 commissioner Tom Hansen, the C.F.A. was right about broadening college football's broadcast partnerships in order to televise more games and bring the sport into viewers' homes through the new medium of cable. College football's wider array of affrays offered over the airwaves has led to the scheduling of higher-profile inter-conference contests such as those pitting Georgia against Oklahoma State and Colorado against West Virginia, as well as providing college football options on Thursdays, Fridays, and other weeknights, for which even critics of the Worldwide Leader are grateful.

Clearly, the C.F.A.'s approach to television contracts has allowed the rich to get richer. This, however, has not caused the poor to get poorer. My brother-in-law likes to use golf as an economic analogy: if, over the course of the next year, he shaves three strokes per round off of his golf game, and if, over the course of that same year, Tiger Woods shaves four strokes per round off of his golf game, Tiger Woods will still be a significantly better golfer than my brother-in-law, and the gap between their respective golf games will have widened, but they'll both be better golfers.

In a classic example of self-interested actors working to everyone's economic advantage through the invisible hand, the C.F.A. heightened the popularity and marketability of college football, which boosted everyone's exposure and revenue, for the have nots as well as for the haves. Anyone who doubts that proposition needs to stand in front of the mirror and ask himself this question: "Are Boise State's, West Virginia's, and, heck, Georgia Tech's football programs better off or worse off because ESPN televises Thursday night games?" These W.A.C., Big East, and A.C.C. teams are not a part of the B.C.S. "Oligarchic" Super Division, but they are beneficiaries (however unintended) of the C.F.A.'s efforts. John F. Kennedy was right that a rising tide lifts all boats.

As a staunch supporter of polls and bowls, I have no problem with the notion of allowing voters spread throughout the country to cast ballots to determine the top 25 teams in the land. As I explained at my old weblog:

While the mainstream news media (and the coaches) may be as biased, uninformed, territorial, and driven by ulterior motives as any other group of voters, reporters and sports information directors aren't any more susceptible to human frailty than the rest of us. In the A.P. poll, as in the BlogPoll, there are competing interests, but that is inherent in any system that involves the free exercise of the franchise, with the result to be determined by the will of the majority.

It isn't as if this is anything new. In Federalist No. 10, James Madison wrote: "The latent causes of faction are . . . sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. . . . So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts." That's as good an explanation as any for why I hate Auburn.

The Father of the Constitution went on to note: "If a faction consists of less than a majority, relief is supplied by the republican principle, which enables the majority to defeat its sinister views by regular vote." That's how Texas Tech gets bumped from the top 25 after a loss or two.

"It may clog the administration, it may convulse the society," continued Madison, "but it will be unable to execute and mask its violence under the forms of the Constitution." I'm pretty sure that's why The Lawgiver makes us post our BlogPoll ballots on-line.

Finally, Madison asserted: "The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State." In other words, republican form of government, si; Division I-A college football playoff, no!


With the voters in the coaches' poll, the Associated Press poll, and the BlogPoll distributed throughout the country, their local biases will cancel each other out in choosing the national champion in the same manner that these selfsame factors operate in the selection of the president of the United States (and with a much better track record of producing satisfactory outcomes, perhaps because college football polls do not afford disproportionate weight to the bizarre whims of Iowans and New Hampsters). If a voter in Savannah ranks the Bulldogs No. 1 on his ballot---or, for that matter, a voter in Fort Wayne or Los Angeles---that will be noted parenthetically, but it will not prevent the result from following the popular will.

It seems to me, therefore, that the system presently extant in college football is fundamentally American in character, both as to its aspiration and as to its execution. Entrenched parochial interests offset one another and newcomers have the opportunity to rise by virtue of effort and talent, even if the process of self-improvement is not as rapid and unhindered as we would like in sports any more than it is in life. Nevertheless, for all its imperfections, it is a system that reminds us what a great country this truly is . . . not just here on the East Coast, but from sea to shining sea.

God bless America. (Lest anyone complain about the fact that I didn't go with the Jessica Simpson picture, I should point out that Big Blue View has you covered.)

That, at any rate, is how it appears to me from my vantage point. Due to the importance of the issues in play here, I invite and even encourage feedback in the comments below, from BCSBusters specifically and from any other readers wishing to share their thoughts. With respect to my final BlogPoll ballot---which was the catalyst that began this worthwhile discussion in the first place---I would like your assessment of how these perspectives and preconceptions play out where the rubber meets the road.

I ranked or gave serious consideration to ranking five teams from the A.C.C. (Boston College, Clemson, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Wake Forest), four from the Big East (Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, and West Virginia), five from the Big Ten (Illinois, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin), five from the Big 12 (Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech), two from Conference USA (Central Florida and Tulsa), four from the Mountain West (Air Force, B.Y.U., New Mexico, and Utah), four from the Pac-10 (Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, and U.S.C.), five from the S.E.C. (Auburn, Florida, Georgia, L.S.U., and Tennessee), and three from the W.A.C. (Boise State, Fresno State, and Hawaii). Who's overrated? Who's underrated? Who's been overlooked altogether? I am open to having my blind spots illuminated, as enlightenment is more than merely one of my favorite "Doctor Who" episodes.

Go 'Dawgs!

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While I will agree.....
.....that our current system is "not broken" and that it is as American as apple pie under its current democratic format, I think that college football fans are tired of the "what if?" game.

Institutions and ideals that refuse to adapt, evolve, and even change with the times quickly go from inflamed in the public eye to obsolete to forgotten.  Just look at Beta tapes.  No, I am not equating the BCS system to Beta, lol.....

What would be the problem with having all the bowls, with their conference tie-ins, then having another round of voting and computer crunching?  Then give us the top two or four teams and have them decide the championship on the field.  

I'm a huge college football fan, and I think that the uniqueness of our system is part of what makes it so great.  However, I also think that our historical willingness to change is largely responsible for our current public status and that a little tweak might serve us well.....

_____________________ Cale Self Graduate Teaching Assistant - University of Georgia, Adjunct Professor - Emmanuel College

by allhailcale on Jan 14, 2008 9:42 AM EST   0 recs

Can you send me the link to the...
Radical realignment, which lists the teams by conference.  I'd be interested in tying this in with my Regular Season Bracketed Playoff Model.

Willamette University offered me a lead assistant coaching position with their baseball program due to a last minute coaching change and this has thrown my schedule off in the immediate future.  I plan on writing a response, although I wouldn't consider it a counter as I agree with many of your comments, but nonetheless, there are a few things that will never be overcome given the alliances that have been created by the College Football Association (CFA).

While I agree that there are many aspects of the CFA which helped to expand the coverage and popularity of the sport, there is still a significant union which affects the sport in a negative manner.

Once again Kyle, your writing is top-shelf.  Why you are not writing for Sports Illustrated or ESPN is beyond me for the detail and knowledge behind your rebuttal considering my constant pestering is unbelievably thorough and undeniably complete.  Well done!

Look for my response coming in the next few days after I get my feet back on the ground due to the sudden change this coaching position has created.

"A Regular Season Bracketed Playoff - Truly Making Every Game A Playoff in College Football While Upholding The Tradition of the Bowls!"

by bcsbusters on Jan 14, 2008 5:20 PM EST   0 recs

No problem
First of all, congratulations! If memory serves, Willamette was where Dan Hawkins began his head coaching career before moving on to Boise State and Colorado, so who knows? Maybe good things will happen out in Salem. . . .

In response to your question, here are the segments of my 2007 "radical realignment" exercise, which I engage in annually in an effort to see what alternate course college football might have charted. It's sort of "counterfactual history," but it allows us to look at things in a new way. These are they:


The bowl tie-ins were linked to in the main body of the posting above.

As long as I'm including links, I also ought to include these recent stories, which are pertinent to the subject under discussion:


Thanks, as always, for stopping by, BCSBusters. I'm sorry it got a little heated, but I'm glad we got a discussion started and I'm looking forward to your response when your schedule permits.

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2008 9:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

One last link:
The foregoing posting is generating some discussion in Cougar country, which is a good thing.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2008 12:05 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Kudos:
I was interviewed last night over at inthebleachers.com within Brian's Podcast, and I gave you some kudos for your work, which I still believe, despite our differences of opinion on many matters, is the best in the blogsphere.

Ben

"A Regular Season Bracketed Playoff - Truly Making Every Game A Playoff in College Football While Upholding The Tradition of the Bowls!"

by bcsbusters on Jan 15, 2008 10:56 AM EST   0 recs

Polls are worthless
Arbitrary, biased, and unaccountable opinions is "fundamentally American in character" when it comes to determining the winner of a competition?  The purpose of competition is to determine a winner.  A champion is nothing more and nothing less than the winner of first place.  Why would anyone want to win a competition under circumstances whereby the "losers" can adopt the same arguments as the winners to claim victory?  Who wins comes down to to who is voting.  What happens on the field become secondary.  Polls are anti-competition and the worst thing to happen to any sport.

by Scoreboard on Jan 18, 2008 1:27 PM EST   0 recs

At least the B.C.S. has no ethanol subsidy
Arbitrary, biased, and unaccountable opinions is "fundamentally American in character" when it comes to determining the winner of a competition?

Are you, perhaps, familiar with the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November?

If stating persuasive cases for competing sides in a debate and then settling the issue by voting isn't fundamentally American in character, I don't know what is.

by T Kyle King on Jan 18, 2008 8:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

sports competitions aren't elections
Except for minor Olympic sports, no one ever has to debate who won an athletic competition.  The rules make it self-evident.  Deciding college football's champion by debating as many different standards as there are debaters solves nothing.  Scoring the most points wins football games, but persuasive debate is used to win national titles?  It is beyond absurd to me that teams play out their seasons and then wait a day for pollsters to vote on who won when using objective rules is so simple.

That said, you have a great blog.  I'll probably be around to debate the merits of a playoff with you.  

by Scoreboard on Jan 19, 2008 1:40 AM EST   0 recs

I fail to see the distinction you draw
Except for minor Olympic sports, no one ever has to debate who won an athletic competition. The rules make it self-evident.

Except for occasional instances (e.g., 1876, 1960, and 2000), no one ever has to debate who won an election, either. The rules make it self-evident.

Please bear in mind that all poll voting determines is the national championship. It doesn't determine who wins the various conference championships, nor does it determine who wins the various rivalry games, nor does it determine the outcome of any individual contest.

It just determines the No. 1 final ranking, which occupies an appropriately ancillary place in college football when compared to the be-all and end-all it represents in the other sports, where the Braves' many division titles can be rendered a meaningless mockery rather than a stellar achievement by a World Series that has succeeded in crowning the Florida Marlins as the best team in baseball without their having been the best team in their division.

As for the supposed simplicity of applying objective rules, try this experiment. Gather together 100 college football fans who favor a playoff. (Don't even bother including those of us who like college football the way it is; take us out of the equation entirely.)

When you get those 100 playoff advocates in a room together, get their attention and announce your perfect playoff system for "settling it on the field."

Then stand back and watch the fur fly as 99 other college football fans tell you why your playoff proposal isn't as workable as theirs.

Playoff proponents are like Shakespeare critics . . . they're all sure William Shakespeare didn't write the works of William Shakespeare, but they never agree on who did write it. The playoff proponents who declare boldly that anything must be better than what we have now should remember that the devil is in the details . . . and recall the law of unintended consequences. (Donald Rumsfeld was right about "unknown unknowns"; there are things we don't know that we don't know.)

That said, Scoreboard, I thank you for the compliment and I welcome your participation in the conversation. I will be only too happy to debate the merits, vel non, of a playoff and I am grateful for your contribution to this forum, which always is appreciated.

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2008 5:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I haven't found the words
to explain why I think electing a political official and choosing the winner of an athletic competition are completely different.  Nevertheless, I prefer my team finish in first place according to fixed objective rules.  Finishing anywhere in the polls means nothing because it tells me nothing.  If my team is 8th, what is the difference between finishing 7th or 9th or any other place?  More or less votes for or against my team for as many different unquantifiable reasons as their are pollsters is an empty answer. I want my team's ranking based on all games to have some meaning.  I like the be-all and end-all value of #1 in other sports.

As for the World Series, it didn't crown Florida the "best team" in baseball.  I don't know what it is about college football fans that think competition is about identifying the best team.  Clearly, the best team does not win every game.  Therefore, why would anyone believe the best team is suppose to win every competition?  Of course, there is nothing wrong with favoring a format that you intuitively believe favors the best team.  However, the best team is ultimately unknowable and irrelevant.  The Florida Marlins are merely the winners of first place in a competition according to the agreed upon rules.  It does not matter if they also happen to be the best team.  You may object to a non-division champion being afforded the opportunity to win the World Series, but first place does not mean best team.

As for the experiment, my desire for objective rules does not depend on an expanded playoff.  That said, there is nothing wrong with 100 fans favoring 100 different playoff formats.  Each could be capable of determining an undisputed winner of first place.  The more important point is that the results based on the format cannot be disputed.  Despite your objection to the Florida Marlins, you can't argue that another team should be MLB Champions according to the rules for the relevant year.  Unfortunately, where college football is concerned, the winner of the national time is always disputed becasue the rules don't tell us why the winner won.  That is where objective rules come into play.  With subjectivity, the winner of the national title comes down to matters that do not occur on the football field.      

by Scoreboard on Jan 19, 2008 7:23 PM EST   0 recs

Fair points
If my team is 8th, what is the difference between finishing 7th or 9th or any other place?

If that is your complaint, how, then, do you propose to establish a playoff structure that is any less arbitrary?

In the N.F.L., there are few enough teams and enough crossover games between the various combatants to seed the squads based upon a series of tiebreakers. Such a task would be hopeless in college football, with approximately 120 Division I-A teams (depending upon how you classify provisional member Western Kentucky) and only a limited number of significant inter-conference contests.

The best-case scenario would be to render such a decision based upon a published poll vote (in which the difference between eighth place and ninth place would matter a great deal in seeding an eight-team playoff); the alternative would be the college football equivalent of the N.C.A.A. men's basketball tournament selection committee, whose back-room machinations do not see the light of day.

This is why we cannot simply say, "I want a playoff" without delving deeply into the details. O.K., so you want a playoff. How many teams should make the field? How should the entrants be determined? How should they be seeded? Should at-large teams be allowed? If so, upon what basis? Should only conference champions be admitted? If so, which ones? Should some teams get home field advantage? If so, which ones and for which rounds?

Until those questions are answered, no conscientious fan can claim with a straight face that he knows a playoff would be better, only that a playoff would be more definitive. "Survivor" gives us results more definitive than "Twin Peaks" did, but that doesn't make "Survivor" a better T.V. show.

I don't know what it is about college football fans that think competition is about identifying the best team. Clearly, the best team does not win every game. Therefore, why would anyone believe the best team is suppose to win every competition? . . . [T]he best team is ultimately unknowable and irrelevant. The Florida Marlins are merely the winners of first place in a competition according to the agreed upon rules. It does not matter if they also happen to be the best team. You may object to a non-division champion being afforded the opportunity to win the World Series, but first place does not mean best team. . . . Despite your objection to the Florida Marlins, you can't argue that another team should be MLB Champions according to the rules for the relevant year.

You certainly are right about that. If we define "champion" to mean "the team that won the designated game or games that actually count," then, by golly, we have ourselves a champion . . . every bit as much so, incidentally, in the B.C.S. championship game as in the World Series or the Super Bowl. After all, "according to the rules for the relevant year," L.S.U. is the 2007 national champion. The Bayou Bengals won the designated game and the winner of it, by definition, is the champion.

By the same token, if we define "pie" as "anything baked in an oven for one hour at 475 degrees," you could put broken glass, copper wire, and cockroach carcasses in a pie crust, bake it in an oven for an hour at 475 degrees, and tell me the final product was a pie . . . but I wouldn't swallow a bite of that horrid concoction any more than I would swallow any argument in defense of a system that allows the St. Louis Cardinals to call themselves "world champions," after finishing barely above .500 from April to October, merely because they happened to win the small handful of games that actually counted.

If our definition of "champion" is as meaningless and attenuated as that---if we admit from the outset that its end result may bear no reasonable resemblance to determining which team plausibly might be considered the best---why bother crowning a champion at all, or worrying about how that champion is crowned?

If that's all you want to accomplish, fine; leave college football the way it is, crown a national champion at the end of the B.C.S. championship game, and create a postseason N.I.T. in which college football teams may participate voluntarily after the bowl games for the benefit of fans who want to know which team won the meaningless postseason tournament bearing no resemblance to determining the best team in the country that "settled it"---whatever useless thing "it" might be at that point---"on the field."

To put it bluntly, who cares about such a result? If playoff proponents do not even bother to engage in the pretense that their approach will produce an outcome with even the barest hint of legitimacy, why bother to change the system at all? If you admit that your results will be at least as "mythical" as those you claim the polls and bowls produce, why scrap a century of tradition for a substitute you freely admit has nothing better to offer?

Say what you will about the polls and the bowls, but you must grant this: every national champion crowned after the bowl games by the A.P. poll or the coaches' poll at least had a credible claim to being the best team in college football, even if other teams also had claims. The same could not be said for the N.C.A.A. tournament (e.g., N.C. State), the Super Bowl (i.e., Pittsburgh), or the World Series (z.B., Florida, St. Louis).

If determining to some degree which team is "best" is "unknowable and irrelevant," let's leave it unknown and treat it as an irrelevancy. If all you want is to learn which group of student-athletes are "merely the winners of first place in a competition according to the agreed upon rules," watch the game we already have. When Georgia beats Georgia Tech, the 'Dawgs have finished in first place in a competition for the Governor's Cup according to the agreed upon rules; when Georgia wins the S.E.C. championship game, the 'Dawgs have finished in first place in a competition for the S.E.C. championship according to the agreed upon rules; when Georgia beats Hawaii, the 'Dawgs have finished in first place in a competition for the Sugar Bowl trophy according to the agreed upon rules; and, when Georgia wins the B.C.S. national championship game next year, the 'Dawgs will have finished in first place in a competition for the national championship according to the agreed upon rules. (The coaches' poll is obligated to award its No. 1 ranking to the winner of that N.C.A.A.-sanctioned game. Those coaches and players are "the winners of first place in a competition according to the agreed upon rules" equally as much so as the Super Bowl champions.) Problem solved; playoff superfluous . . . as, indeed, you acknowledge it would be.

The masquerade of objectivity is a crutch for football fans who cannot handle the fact that reality is nuanced and messy. Certainty oftentimes comes only at the expense of accuracy. I prefer debatable results that, at least arguably, are correct to clear-cut outcomes that a counterproductive and counterintuitive.

I respect the fact that you "like the be-all and end-all value of #1 in other sports," but, for me and my house, we will stick with college football as it has been, with consequential contests strewn throughout the season, state, conference, and region instead of all clumped together only late in the year and only on the national level.

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2008 9:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

You are the one redefining champion
A champion has always been nothing more and nothing less than the winner of first place in a competition. That definition isn't meaningless just because the format in place may produce a WINNER that you object to. Again, there is nothing wrong with favoring a format that makes it much less likely that an 83-win team will qualify for the baseball playoffs and win the World Series. However, the Cardinals are no less the champions of baseball. It is not like the format in place is one where anyone would take an 83 win season before a single game is played and expect to make the playoffs. That said, I don't care if the winner under polls can claim to the best team. That label means nothing to me. If we could know who the best team is before a single game is played, the games would still be played because competition is about who wins. I get no satisfaction from believing my team is the best team or better than another if it does not win. I want my team to win for the sake of winning. I do not care if the results convince anyone that my team is also the best team. Also, as I said before, my desire for objective rules does not require an expanded playoff. That said, I have devised objective rules that I favor and advocate on my own blog. The rules do not require a limited number of teams nor do they require a certain number of common games anymore than pollsters need those things to assign a value to a team's season. Like football itself, the season is a game in its own right. The rules simply determine a winner in a known and quantifiable manner. Based on the results under less than perfect circumstances, the winners under the rules I advocate have finished first or second in the polls among bowl winners for the past 30 years at least. On average, the top 16 teams under these rules includes 14 of the "best teams" according to polls. More than 99% of the time, the only information needed to determine which of any two teams has had a more valuable season is wins and losses and opponents' wins and losses. No need to justify the biases inherent in polls. Just follow the scoreboard. BTW, given your aversion to Florida winning the WS despite Atlanta winning the East, how is ranking Georgia above Tennessee in your final ballot any different?

by Scoreboard on Jan 20, 2008 12:08 AM EST   0 recs

In what sense didn't L.S.U. win first place?
BTW, given your aversion to Florida winning the WS despite Atlanta winning the East, how is ranking Georgia above Tennessee in your final ballot any different?

It's different in many ways, of which these are three:

  1. In 1997, the Braves won the division and the Marlins finished second. (Against National League competition, which ought to be all that matters in determining an N.L. East champion, Florida actually finished third, having made it into second place purely by virtue of its record in interleague play.) In 2007, the Bulldogs and the Volunteers tied for the S.E.C. East crown. The '97 Braves, the '07 'Dawgs, and the '07 Vols all claimed at least a share of their division title; the '97 Marlins did not. The claim that a team can be the best (and, if first place does not translate in some sense to being the "best," then I haven't the faintest notion why first place is any better than second place . . . or, for that matter, why the English language even contains the word "best," since we appear to have removed all indicia of merit from sports, the last remaining meritocracy) in its league, much less the best in its sport, without first being the best in its division is as much of a non sequitur as claiming a man can be the tallest in his neighborhood without first being the tallest in his household.
  2. As a resume ranker, I look at a team's entire season and, on balance, the Bulldogs' body of work was superior to the Volunteers'. Remember, every game counts.
  3. I didn't rank Georgia No. 1.
Beyond that, I think we're clear on what divides our respective perspectives. Regrettably, it always comes down to this: as a playoff proponent, you don't care about anything else except determining a definitive champion, no matter how illegitimate or cognitively dissonant, in order to end all argument, and all other considerations (including the details which will go a long way toward determining the outcome of the playoffs) certainly are secondary and probably are entirely inconsequential, just as long as we get one team we can point to and call the "champion," without regard to whether that term denotes any qualitative achievement more significant than winning the right game (unless that game is the B.C.S. championship game, which, for some bizarre reason, fails to qualify); as a playoff opponent, by contrast, I think bowls, polls, rivalries, traditions, conference championships, over 100 years' worth of history, everything that makes college football unique and enjoyable as it is (including, especially, the ability to argue about it even during the offseason) are not minor matters unworthy of being respected and preserved.

by T Kyle King on Jan 20, 2008 12:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Why rank resumes
if being the best or better is what matters to you? Florida had the best resume (regular season and postseason included) as defined by the rules. The goal isn't to prove they are the best team. The goal is simply to win. That said, as a playoff proponent, I fail to see why I should care about anything other than determining a definitive champion. There is nothing interesting about debating who should be champions according to a subjective standard. I don't care who I think is the best team. Therefore, I'm not about to try and convince someone to agree with me about the identity of the best team as if "winning" in the manner means anything to me. I don't see how determining a winner in an fair, objective, and inclusive manner becomes illegitimate because the winner may not be the best team. Nor do I see how winning the "right" game diminishes the meaning of champion. Whatever the format, the champion always has to win the right game to gain first. Tennessee doesn't play in the SEC title game if they beat Alabama and lose to Georgia. As for LSU, I'm not disputing their BCS championship. The objective rules I favor would have placed LSU first. I just do not respect the manner in which the winner is determined. A two team playoff makes for anti-competitive league when there are 120 teams. Add to this the fact that the "best" teams avoid each other as much as possible. BCS schools schedule mored I-AA opponents this year than other BCS opponents. How effective is that towards determining the "best" team if that is what matters to you? Take the top 16 under my point system (14 of which finished in the AP top 16). These 16 teams played 12 games amongst each other, two of which were rematches in CCGs. The higher ranked team was a whopping 8-4. Yet, I'm suppose to be bothered if these teams make up a 16 team playoff and the winner, having won four straight games against top 16 competition, isn't the best team? Or because such a team only won the "right" games? Although the format I favor includes auto bids for all conferences, suppose I apply it to just the top 16. Under it, Illinois is the 16th seed. Since my preferred format includes a flexible bracket, Illinois, assuming no upsets but their own, would have to win at #1 LSU, at #2 Va Tech, at #3 Oklahoma, before beating #4 Missouri on a neutral site to claim the title of "champions". If any team pulled off such a feat, I should be bothered because they might not be the best team? I should be bothered because they "only" won the right games? How is LSU any better in this regard? They had as many or more losses than 12 other teams. Yet, they were arbitrarily voted into a title game for unknown reasons. We can't even know if they won the right game. All we do know is that the right number of pollsters held opinions favorable to LSU. How does LSU avoiding the possibility of even playing most of the teams with equal or better records make their winning more credible than winning the right games? To me, that is significantly worse than winning the right games. BTW, 120 teams playing 12 game schedules versus each other only would require a miminum of a ten team playoff to guarantee that every team controls its destiny. How does voting two teams into a title game rather having at least ten compete in a playoff produce a more legitimate champion? Teams competing in a playoff actually have to beat their competition. They don't get to avoid most of the best teams just because selected pollsters are already convinced they are better as if better entitles or guarantees anything as evidenced by the fact that college football's "best team" lost to two unranked teams. I fail to understand how winning the right games diminishes the champion label, but being able to avoid competition that is ranked higher than teams one has already lost to does not just because someone can make the claim that the winner is unverifiably the best team.

by Scoreboard on Jan 20, 2008 2:51 AM EST   0 recs

sorry
I wrote paragraphs. Don't know why my post reads as one.

by Scoreboard on Jan 20, 2008 2:55 AM EST   0 recs

Not a problem
That spacing thing happens from time to time, for reasons I don't fully understand, but don't worry . . . it detracts only aesthetically, not substantively.

As always, I enjoy hashing out the playoff debate, and, as a good host should, I will give you the last word . . . at least for this round.

Thanks for stopping by and chiming in; I hope I may look forward to more such exchanges in the future.

by T Kyle King on Jan 20, 2008 9:44 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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