Week Twelve BlogPoll Ballot Submitted
by T Kyle King on Nov 18, 2007 10:46 PM EST
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Is a fact one can hardly doubt,
But I would rejoice in it more
If I knew more clearly what
We wanted the knowledge for,
Felt certain still that the mind
Is free to know or not.
Last week, not for the first time, nor even for the first time this year, my BlogPoll ballot drew a stern rebuke, necessitating that I defend my position in an enterprise I consider fundamentally American but, ultimately, not worth getting worked up over to that great an extent. It is in that spirit, with much appreciation to those who defended me in my independence of thought and judgment, that I prefaced this week's BlogPoll ballot with the foregoing lines from the poem After Reading a Child's Guide to Modern Physics by W.H. Auden, who would, four years after penning it, author a foreword to a collection of his verse in which he wrote:
A dishonest poem is one which expresses, no matter how well, feelings or beliefs which its author never felt or entertained. For example, I once expressed a desire for "New styles of architecture"; but I have never liked modern architecture. I prefer old styles, and one must be honest even about one's prejudices.
Find such fault as you will with my weekly ballot, but know this: I am honest even about my prejudices and, when assembling my top 25, I may be "way off base," or "thrillingly wrong," or "[d]eranged," but I am not and will not be dishonest, or boring, or (I hope) bad-mannered. This, then, is the ballot which I cast after beginning once again with a clean white sheet of paper and paying no heed to anyone else's top 25 or my own ballot of one week ago:
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | LSU | -- |
| 2 | Ohio State |  1 |
| 3 | West Virginia | 2 |
| 4 | Oregon |  2 |
| 5 | Boston College | 4 |
| 6 | Oklahoma | 2 |
| 7 | Georgia | -- |
| 8 | Missouri | 2 |
| 9 | Arizona State | 11 |
| 10 | Virginia Tech | 1 |
| 11 | Illinois | 1 |
| 12 | Florida | 2 |
| 13 | Cincinnati | 5 |
| 14 | Clemson | 1 |
| 15 | Tennessee | 1 |
| 16 | Wisconsin | -- |
| 17 | Virginia | 1 |
| 18 | Connecticut | 5 |
| 19 | Southern Cal | 7 |
| 20 | South Florida | 6 |
| 21 | Kansas | 1 |
| 22 | Auburn | 1 |
| 23 | Texas | 3 |
| 24 | Hawaii | 2 |
| 25 | Boise State | -- |
The No. 1 ranking remains the property of Louisiana State (10-1), despite the diminished luster of the Bayou Bengals' road loss in triple overtime to a team that now stands at 7-4. The Fighting Tigers have not faced a Division I-AA opponent and they possess six wins over teams with winning records, including victories over Florida and Virginia Tech.
This gave L.S.U. the edge over second-ranked Ohio State (11-1), as the Buckeyes have faced a Division I-AA opponent (Youngstown State) and have claimed half of their ten wins over Division I-A teams against squads at .500 or below. Although O.S.U.'s lone loss (to Illinois) represents a more respectable blemish than the Bayou Bengals' loss to Kentucky, Jim Tressel's squad has just one quality victory (over Wisconsin), so Louisiana State got the nod over Ohio State.
Despite having defeated only four squads with winning records, West Virginia (9-1) took advantage of the carnage and chaos around it and laid claim to the No. 3 spot by virtue of a resume unsullied by the presence of a Division I-AA team and improved by a quality win at Cincinnati. The Mountaineers' sole setback came on the road against a quality opponent.
It is tough to lay claim to a top five ranking after losing to a 6-5 team at home and to a 5-6 team on the road, but Oregon (8-2) bolstered its case by beating five teams with winning records, including Arizona State and U.S.C. The Ducks' victims include just three teams with losing records and no Division I-AA opponents.
Quality road wins over Clemson and Virginia Tech gave Jacksonville-bound Boston College (9-2) the boost that earned the Eagles the No. 5 ranking. Five victories over teams with winning records, including the aforementioned comebacks against the Tigers and the Hokies, helped B.C. overcome an embarrassing loss at Maryland.
Could the Eagles finally be about to put this moment behind them? I mean, it was a great instance of blind dumb luck and all, but, seriously, people!
Since both of the Sooners' losses came in close contests on the road, Oklahoma (9-2) was able to overcome victories over five teams with losing records on the strength of a resume that included victories over four teams with winning ledgers, including Missouri and Texas.
I could not conscientiously rank Georgia (9-2) ahead of O.U. because the Bulldogs played a Division I-AA team (Western Carolina), which the Sooners did not, and because the Red and Black's six victories over teams with winning records were offset partially by a blowout road loss against Tennessee and a narrow home loss to a 6-5 squad. Convincing wins over Auburn and Florida helped the Classic City Canines' case, however.
Despite its stellar won-lost record, Missouri (10-1) fell behind four twice-beaten teams because the Tigers' victories have come against questionable competition. Seven of Mizzou's ten wins came against either Division I-AA teams or Division I-A squads with losing records. Even though the Tigers have beaten only three Division I-A opponents with winning records, though, Missouri has a quality victory (over Illinois at a neutral site) and acquitted itself well in a loss to Oklahoma in Norman.
A similar explanation accompanies the placement of Arizona State (9-1) at No. 9. Seven of the Sun Devils' nine victories have been over teams at .500 or below and the better of A.S.U.'s two victims with winning records is Oregon State, a 7-4 squad. Nevertheless, Dennis Erickson's team has not played a Division I-AA opponent and lost only once against a top-tier team on the road.
The final spot in the top ten went to Virginia Tech (9-2), which has beaten as many Division I-A teams with winning records as with losing records; namely, four, including Clemson. Both of the Hokies' losses were to top five teams, with one coming on the road to L.S.U. and the other being a close contest at home against Boston College.
We now enter the "teams currently and formerly coached by Ron Zook" portion of the poll, which tells you just exactly what kind of year it has been in college football.
Five wins over opponents with winning records, including quality victories over Ohio State and Wisconsin, earned Illinois (9-3) the No. 11 ranking ahead of Florida (8-3). All of the Gators' losses came against quality opponents (Auburn, Georgia, and L.S.U.), but half of the Saurians' wins were over a de facto Division I-AA team (provisional Division I-A member Western Kentucky) and three Division I-A teams at or below .500.
Each of the losses sustained by Cincinnati (8-3) was a close contest, although two of them were to teams with losing records (Louisville and Pittsburgh). Nevertheless, the Bearcats have beaten five teams with winning records, including Connecticut and South Florida. This gave Cincy the edge over Clemson (8-3), which lost to two 9-2 teams but cannot claim a victory over a team with a better ledger than 7-4, despite having created conflicting emotions in Georgia fans.
The final spot in the top 15 fell to Tennessee (8-3), which was weighed down by three road losses that were not competitive, two of which came at the hands of 6-5 teams. However, the Volunteers have not played a Division I-AA opponent and their five victories over teams with winning records include a lopsided win over Georgia.
Like the Big Orange, Wisconsin (9-3) suffered all three of its setbacks on the road, but one of the Badgers' losses came by a narrow margin and none was suffered at the hands of a team with fewer than eight wins in its ledger. Wiscy still was unable to pass Tennessee, though, because the Badgers have beaten three teams with winning records, one team with a 6-6 ledger (Iowa), four teams with losing records, and one Division I-AA team (The Citadel). Wisconsin's best win was over a Michigan squad that finished 8-4 and the Badgers were unable to beat four of the nine opponents over whom they were victorious by more than a touchdown, including such sad sacks as Minnesota (1-11) and U.N.L.V. (2-9).
Next up was Virginia (9-2), a team poised to win its division championship and claim a berth in the A.C.C. title game. The Cavaliers have not cheapened their slate by including any Division I-AA opponents and they have a quality win over Connecticut, but the Wahoos' ascension was impeded by the fact that, even though six of the teams they have beaten possess losing records, they have survived by a touchdown or less in half a dozen outings. Add to that the fact that both of Virginia's losses came on the road against 5-6 teams, and the Hoos' resume is inadequate to enable them rise higher than No. 17.
Also, having the most hopelessly lame mascot in the A.C.C. not named Buzz didn't help, either.
Virginia's best victim, Connecticut (9-2), fell in line right behind the Cavaliers, which was appropriate, given the closeness of their contest. The Huskies have beaten only two teams with winning records, but they have a quality win (over South Florida) and both of their losses came on the road against teams with at least eight wins.
Like UConn, Southern California (8-2) has beaten six teams with losing records, defeated two teams with winning records, and claimed a trio of victories by seven or fewer points. However, the Trojans' closest approximation of a quality win was a home victory over a 7-4 Oregon State squad and one of U.S.C.'s losses came at home against a 3-7 Stanford team. A narrow victory over 6-5 Cal added some meager degree of heft to the Men of Troy's scant resume, but not enough to elevate them above No. 19.
The last team to make it into the top 20 was South Florida (8-3). The Bulls' losses all came in close contests against teams with seven or more wins, whereas U.S.F.'s three victories over teams with winning records include quality wins over Auburn and West Virginia.
One of the imperatives of the BlogPoll is as follows: "If someone provides a convincing argument about a team, please be open minded enough to admit wrongness and change your ballot." Following my ballot last week, one of the most respected figures in the intercollegiate athletics blogosphere told me forthrightly: "Auburn ahead of Kansas after its fourth loss doesn't make sense." O.K., fine; I ranked Kansas (11-0) 21st and Auburn (7-4) 22nd.
LD has already made the case against Kansas, with which everyone appears to agree. The weakness of the Jayhawks' slate, however, bears emphasizing as long as K.U. is being given even the slightest consideration for a B.C.S. bowl berth:
- Eight of the Jayhawks' eleven wins have come against either Division I-AA opposition or Division I-A squads with losing records, including teams with records of 3-9 (Baylor and Iowa State) and 0-10 (Florida International).
- Kansas's three wins over opponents with winning records all came against teams that presently stand at 6-5 (Central Michigan, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M).
- Despite having played such a poor schedule, Mark Mangino's team struggled on the road against the Aggies, the Buffaloes, and the Wildcats.
Also, not only is Kansas not particularly entertaining, it also has college football's least photogenic head coach.
Yes, the Jayhawks are undefeated. The question remains: "Which of the 20 teams ranked ahead of Kansas on my ballot wouldn't be undefeated against this schedule?" If K.U. wants a spot in my top 20, they need to beat someone, which is what Auburn has done. Granted, the Plainsmen have four losses, three of which were close contests and three of which were to teams with at least eight wins. In the meantime, the Tigers have registered something the Jayhawks have not; namely, a quality win (over Florida in Gainesville). I hate Auburn.
Although Texas (9-2) is in contention for a B.C.S. bowl berth, I have a hard time finding anything in the Longhorns' resume to impress me. Mack Brown's club has more victories against teams with losing records (5) than with winning records (4). The 'Horns escaped narrowly against three mediocre teams (Central Florida, Nebraska, and Oklahoma State) and lost badly at home to a team with a 5-6 ledger. Buoyed by a quality loss to the Sooners and a semi-validating win over Texas Tech, though, Texas received the nod for the No. 23 spot.
It is a red-letter day for the Aloha State, as Hawaii (10-0) finally has cracked the top 25, due more to late-season plummets in the Big Ten than to any real achievement by June Jones's squad. The Warriors have two wins over Division I-AA opposition and six victories over teams with losing records, including U.N.L.V. (2-9), Idaho (1-10), and Utah State (1-10). Despite playing a truly shameful slate, Hawaii has had to survive four close shaves in its eight contests against Division I-A opponents.
Nevertheless, the former Rainbows now have custody of a win over a .500 team, Nevada (5-5), and a win over a team with a winning record, Fresno State (6-4). It ain't much, but it's enough. Hey, if we're ranking undefeated teams with crappy schedules, we might as well rank 'em all.
That brings us to Boise State (10-1), a team whose resume, I must admit, is comparable to Hawaii's. The Broncos, like the Warriors, have beaten six Division I-A teams with losing records, including two (Idaho and Utah State) with double-digit losses. B.S.U. has beaten two teams with winning records (Fresno State and Southern Mississippi, both of which have six victories to their credit) and one Division I-AA opponent (Weber State). I would have the Broncos ranked ahead of the Warriors, but Boise State lost on the road by two touchdowns in a contest against a 4-7 Washington team. I really hope B.S.U. gives me a reason to regret this ranking on Friday.
I'm looking for a little of this after the Boise State-Hawaii game.
The only team I honestly considered ranking but didn't rank was Brigham Young (8-2). The Cougars have three wins over teams with winning records, including a solid victory over Air Force, but B.Y.U. was kept out of the top 25 by a pair of road losses which were not competitive, including one at U.C.L.A. (5-5), and five wins over teams possessing either losing records or Division I-AA affiliations.
I watched the Ball State-Toledo game on Tuesday, the second half of the Akron-Miami (Ohio) game on Wednesday, the Arizona-Oregon game on Thursday, and the first half of the Hawaii-Nevada game on Friday.
On Saturday, my wife, Susan, and I attended the Georgia-Kentucky game in Sanford Stadium. Our son stayed with my parents-in-law while we were in Athens, which necessitated our taking Highway 316 back to their house to retrieve him. Traffic was horrendous, so much so that it took us over three hours to travel the approximately 65 miles from the top of the parking deck to Susan's parents' home. Needless to say, it was late and we were tired when we got home, so I watched the fourth quarter of the Boston College-Clemson game and went to bed.
I feel pretty good about this ballot, both in terms of the resumes the respective teams have compiled and, generally speaking, in terms of who would beat whom on a neutral field next Saturday (although, naturally, there are exceptions upon the latter point). I am not naïve enough to believe, though, that there are not objections to be made, reasonable and otherwise, regarding my top 25. Feel free to voice your opinion in the comments below.
As MaconDawg predicted, my postgame writeup regarding the Bulldogs' victory over the Wildcats will follow shortly. Look for it sometime tomorrow.
Go 'Dawgs!
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Scratching my head..
Having said that, I'm left scratching my head at how you can rank Ohio State #2 when their schedule is awfully similar to that of your #21st-ranked Kansas Jayhawks.
To be honest, I think they both belong closer to #21 than #2. Both teams have 2 road wins of minor significance (Michigan and Penn State, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State), and that's about it. In fact I'm not sure the Buckeyes deserve to be ranked ahead of the Jayhawks. Take the names off the jerseys and try to tell me otherwise.
by Hobnail Boot on Nov 19, 2007 8:28 AM EST reply actions
While I agree that the Big Ten . . .
Kansas and Ohio State played equal numbers of M.A.C. teams (2) and equal numbers of Division I-AA opponents (1). However, K.U.'s other out-of-conference opponent was a winless Sun Belt squad (Florida International) and O.S.U.'s was a troubled but improving B.C.S. conference opponent (Washington), whom the Buckeyes faced on the road.
In league play, Kansas drew the two weakest teams in the Big 12 (Baylor and Iowa State, both 3-9), as well as disappointing Oklahoma State and Texas A&M (both 6-5) and fallen former powers Colorado, Kansas State, and Nebraska (all 5-6). There is no Oklahoma, Texas, or even Texas Tech present to bolster the Jayhawks' slate.
The Buckeyes, in the meantime, drew hapless Minnesota, but they also had to face every other good team in the Big Ten: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin, each of whom won at least eight games. Although Ohio State did not cross paths with resurgent Indiana, Jim Tressel's squad still had to contend with a pair of 7-5 squads in Michigan State and Purdue.
In short, Kansas played a weaker non-conference slate and missed the best teams in its conference, which (in my opinion) is not as good as the conference in which Ohio State faced the best teams in its league. Consequently, I ranked the Buckeyes significantly higher than the Jayhawks.
You may or may not find than explanation convincing, but that was my rationale.
once more into the breach
Also, haven't we defeated more than six teams with winning records? Unless I'm mistaken, and I probably am, Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Troy, Auburn and Kentucky all have winning records. Troy is one I'm not sure about. Anyway, while not all of those are necessarily high quality teams, they have won more than they lost. And, if six of them had won against the Dawgs instead of lost, they'd have much nicer looking records.
by randomterrace on Nov 19, 2007 11:27 AM EST reply actions
wait two weeks
Which is unfortunate, but there you have it.
You're right about the teams . . .
The Red and Black also lost to two teams with winning records, South Carolina (6-5) and Tennessee (8-3). Neither of those losses looks good, because of the Gamecocks' subsequent performance in the first instance and because of the margin of defeat in the second.
Segregating Boston College, Georgia, and Oregon from one another is a tough call about which reasonable minds may differ. Each team has two losses and none of their losses reflect particularly well on them.
The Bulldogs' losses were listed above. The Ducks and the Eagles also have one close loss to a mediocre team---Cal (6-5) and Maryland (5-6), respectively---and another setback by a wider margin: Arizona (5-6) in the case of Oregon; Florida State (7-4) in the case of B.C.
Obviously, Tennessee is a better team than either of these, but the Vols also beat the Bulldogs much more handily. (The Boston College-Florida State and Arizona-Oregon games remained in doubt at halftime, by which point the Classic City Canines were down by four touchdowns in Knoxville.)
Oregon got points for playing only Division I-A opponents, whereas Georgia played Division I-AA Western Carolina and Boston College played Division I-AA UMass, meaning that all three teams are 8-2 against Division I-A competition.
While the Red and Black have more wins against teams with winning records---six, to the Ducks' and the Eagles' five apiece---Georgia arguably has only one real "quality win" (over Florida), while Oregon has two (Arizona State and Southern California) and so does Boston College (Clemson and Virginia Tech).
While I believe Georgia's second-best victim, Auburn, is better than its record, I cannot claim with certainty that the Plainsmen necessarily are better than Clemson or U.S.C., and, since I ranked the War Eagle 22nd because of A.U.'s four losses, I feel I have to give Oregon more credit for beating No. 19 Southern California and Boston College more credit for beating No. 14 Clemson. I hate Auburn.
Once again, the margin is very close and the Dennis Dixon-less Ducks are liable to fall far and fast, but, inasmuch as I am ranking these teams based upon present achievement, not future expectations, there is where I placed them.
Besides, I have an ulterior motive for lowballing the 'Dawgs while there are games yet to be played. All year long, the BlogPoll voter who overrates his team the most egregiously has doomed his team to lose within the next week or two; I'm not about to put that kind of bad mojo out into the universe, so I'm consciously holding the Bulldogs back just a bit, lest the curse come their way. Believe me, in the final poll, I'll be as shameless a homer as anyone!
I hope that clarifies, even if it fails to convince.
Also . . .
You wrote: "How can Oregon be ranked over Georgia? We both have two losses, and I would say they're pretty equal. Our heartbreaker against South Carolina is like Oregon's against Cal, and I would say it's better to be badly beaten by the SEC East co-champion that it is to lose to Arizona."
I would equate Georgia's four-point home loss to 6-5 South Carolina to Oregon's 10-point road loss to 5-6 Arizona, thereby leaving the Bulldogs' blowout road loss to Tennessee as the setback that is analogous to the Ducks' narrow (by inches, in fact) home loss to California.
While the Volunteers have gone on to have a better season than the Golden Bears, they have not done so by much; Tennessee is two missed field goals (by South Carolina and Vanderbilt) away from the same 6-5 record Cal possesses . . . and, lest we forget, when the Big Orange met the Berkeley Bears, Jeff Tedford's team handed Phil Fulmer's squad a skunking.
That's just for whatever it's worth.
completely embarassed
I sentence myself to 15 minutes or so of shame and embarassment.
by randomterrace on Nov 19, 2007 11:01 PM EST reply actions
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