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How Bad Is S.E.C. Scheduling in Football?

You have to be kidding me. From out in Pac-10 country comes this snarky snippet of smart-aleck silliness:

We'll soon take a closer look at the courageous scheduling choices of other BCS conferences, including the Mighty SEC, which will undoubtedly lead the weenie list again in 2007.

Uh . . . "lead the weenie list again"?

Read my lips: S.E.C. schedules are improving! Pac-10 fans who say otherwise are simply giving voice to their West Coast bias . . . particularly since so many S.E.C. teams are adding Pac-10 teams to their slates.

The next time y'all talk about Pac-10 expansion, give these guys a look; next fall's Cal-Tennessee clash will be the Volunteers' 22nd regular-season meeting with a Pac-10 team in the last 34 years.

For the record, here are the 2007 non-conference schedules of the 12 Southeastern Conference member institutions:

Alabama: Western Carolina (September 1), Florida State at Jacksonville (September 29), Houston (October 6), and Louisiana-Monroe (November 17)
Arkansas: Troy (September 1), North Texas (September 22), Tennessee-Chattanooga (October 6), and Florida International (October 27)
Auburn: South Florida (September 15) and New Mexico State (November 17), plus two opponents to be named later (for which we in Bulldog Nation will mock them mercilessly)
Florida: Western Kentucky (September 1), Troy (September 8), Florida Atlantic (November 17), and Florida State (November 24)
Georgia: Oklahoma State (September 1), Western Carolina (September 15), Troy (November 3), and at Georgia Tech (November 24)
Kentucky: Eastern Kentucky (September 1), at Temple (September 8), Louisville (September 15), and Florida Atlantic (September 22)
Louisiana State: Middle Tennessee (September 1), Virginia Tech (September 8), at Tulane (September 29), and Louisiana Tech (November 10)
Mississippi: at Memphis (September 1), Missouri (September 8), Louisiana Tech (October 6), and Northwestern State (November 3)
Mississippi State: at Tulane (September 1), Jacksonville State (September 22), U.A.B. (October 6), and at West Virginia (October 20)
South Carolina: Louisiana-Lafayette (September 1), South Carolina State (September 15), at North Carolina (October 13), and Clemson (November 24)
Tennessee: at California (September 1), Southern Miss (September 8), Northern Illinois (September 22), and Louisiana-Lafayette (November 3)
Vanderbilt: Richmond (September 1), Eastern Michigan (September 29), Kent State (October 27), and Wake Forest (November 24)

Are there some bogus games on those slates? Of course there are. For one thing, I'm glad the S.E.C. is rearranging the conference schedule for November 3, or else that date---which, by the way, is my 39th birthday---might just be the worst Saturday of football in Southeastern Conference history.

I make no excuses for the presence of a Division I-AA opponent on nine of 12 S.E.C. slates (with another likely forthcoming for the Plainsmen); no legitimate team should ever schedule a lower-division opponent, period. I readily acknowledge the reasonableness of holding Auburn's 2004 strength of schedule against it, I deny that Auburn's claim to that year's national title has any legitimacy whatsoever, and, this season, I ranked Southern California highly, in part, because there were no lower-tier teams on the Trojans' slate.

That said, no major conference is entitled to point fingers in this regard . . . not even the Pac-10, which has made Portland State the Western Carolina of the Pacific Northwest.

Double-check my math, but it appears that, when we look at the Division I-A out-of-conference contests appearing on next fall's S.E.C. slates, we find 17 games involving teams from non-B.C.S. leagues that did not attend bowl games in 2006, but we also see 13 opponents from major conferences and 19 teams that attended bowl games this season.

Tennessee's weenie schedule, for instance, includes the Cal Golden Bears. (Photograph from The Daily Californian.)

In order to take part in out-of-conference outings, S.E.C. teams will travel to Atlanta, Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Jacksonville, Memphis, Morgantown, New Orleans (twice), and Philadelphia in 2007. Next autumn, Southeastern Conference squads will face the Bulls, the Cardinals, the Cowboys, the Demon Deacons, the Golden Bears, the Hokies, the Mountaineers, the Seminoles (twice), the Tar Heels, two sets of Tigers, and the Yellow Jackets in non-league games against other B.C.S. conference members, as well as taking on two teams that formerly belonged to major conferences and three other teams that attended bowl games in 2004 or 2005.

The teams that won this year's Emerald, Gator, GMAC, Holiday, Independence, New Orleans, Orange, and PapaJohns.com Bowls all appear on S.E.C. schedules next fall. The teams that, despite losing in postseason play, at least appeared in this year's Chick-fil-A, Gator, Liberty, Motor City, Music City, Orange, Poinsettia, and Sun Bowls all appear on S.E.C. schedules next fall.

The teams ranked sixth, 10th, 14th, 17th, and 20th in the final 2006 BlogPoll, as well as three others among those "also receiving votes," appear on S.E.C. schedules next fall . . . and Southeastern Conference squads will face four of those eight opponents on the road or at a neutral site. That qualifies as "the weenie list"?

What troubles me about this addled animadversion is that it betrays a knee-jerk prejudice that may once have had a foundation in fact, but has since been overtaken by events. I know that old habits die hard, but, honestly, people, we need to get some new material. Georgia fans (including me) like to talk about how the Georgia Institute of Technology is located next to a housing project and Georgia Tech fans like to talk about how deficient the University of Georgia is as an academic institution. They're nice lines . . . they just happen not to be true; the housing project in question was torn down to make way for the 1996 Olympics and the academic reputation of the nation's oldest state-chartered university has been on the rise steadily for the last two decades.

Lewis Grizzard used to say that it wasn't true that, if you drove through Athens with your windows rolled down, they'd throw a diploma in your window; explained Grizzard, "You have to stop." Well, nowadays, you have to stop and get out of your car!

Frankly, it annoys me to no end when someone on the West Coast starts smarting off about S.E.C. scheduling. It bugs me because I do what I can to combat some commonplace, yet erroneous, ideas many Southern football fans hold about the Pac-10 having dispassionate followers, weak defenses, and all that jazz. I try to quiet down the yahoos in my environs, so I find it particularly frustrating when this kind of ignorant silliness issues from a part of the country I make a concerted effort to defend and to treat seriously and respectfully.

For the record, S.E.C. scheduling has been solid throughout most of the league's history. Georgia, despite being constantly criticized for not having played a game outside the South since 1965, has a long tradition of scheduling nationally and Damon Evans is restoring that part of our heritage, even though his interest in scheduling a series with Michigan met with a chilly response, his attempt to schedule a series with Oregon State failed when the Pac-10 team chose not to close the deal, and the deal he made for Georgia to play Cincinnati was cancelled when the Bearcats' athletic director learned that the Bulldogs were not a Midwestern team.

Even Auburn, which boasts some of the worst non-conference scheduling this side of Kansas State or Texas Tech, has done a fair job, both historically and more recently, of taking on legitimate out-of-conference competition.

The quality of the S.E.C.'s non-league scheduling began to decline as a direct result of the establishment of the conference championship game in 1992, but the Bulldogs' recent additions of home and home series with Oregon and Oklahoma State offer evidence that the conference's scheduling is on the upswing once again.

All of a sudden, this win is looking a lot more impressive, too!

I respect the Pac-10 and I have defended both U.S.C.'s claim to the 2003 national championship and the conference's webloggers, but I am tired of hearing underconfident whining from some---by no means all, or even most, but some---Pac-10 fans who bash the S.E.C. from a position of ignorance.

I am particularly weary of having to reassure fans from other conferences that I respect leagues besides the S.E.C. while many such fans feel free to paint with too broad a brush when smearing me and fans like me in ostensible obliviousness to the fact that, when they do so, they are betraying precisely the sort of bigotry they wrongly ascribe to me and my ilk.

Are there legitimate criticisms that Pac-10 fans can offer about the S.E.C.? Yes, there are (and I share their views), but I take those criticisms much more seriously when they come from people who are willing to praise what is right about the S.E.C., as well. Could S.E.C. scheduling be better? Yes, it could. Should S.E.C. scheduling be better? Yes, it should . . . and it is getting there.

In the meantime, though, I would be most grateful if folks would lay off of accusing my alma mater and its conference coevals of "lead[ing] the weenie list again" . . . particularly if those folks root for a league whose member institutions' 2006 slates included games against Eastern Washington, Northern Arizona, Portland State (twice, Cal fans should note), and Stephen F. Austin. Speaking on behalf of the kettle, I would respectfully ask the pot to pipe down.

Go 'Dawgs!

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Scheduling in the SEC
Bama has a decent schedule with Houston and FSU.  No excuse for UL-M or W. Carolina.  

Arkansas looks embarrassing.

Auburn can redeem itself if it adds 2 respectable "name" programs.  USF might contend for the Big East title; remember what it has done each of the past couple of years.  I am sure that when USF was scheduled no one thought they might one day grow into a respectable program.

UF's schedule is embarrassing again.  Is Troy trying to petition to get into the SEC if the conference were ever to expand.

UGA: Picking up Oklahoma State when Oregon State dropped saved UGA's schedule.  No excuse for Western Carolina or Troy for that matter.  At least Troy is Div 1 now.  

Kentucky: I think the state legislature put the screws to them to play Louisville or else I doubt it would ever have happened.  I can see where this schedule developed years ago when UK was really bad.  Scheduling some potentially easy wins was a smart scheduling move.  If UK continues its improvement, this schedule will be held against them.

LSU: This schedule is intriguing.  I can see playing Tulane, the other "big" school in the state.  MTSU reached a bowl this year, can they continue to improve?  Virginia Tech--well, now that is a game!  

Ole Miss: Memphis?  A school that should do better.  Mizzou--no shame in scheduling them.  The others, well if I am Ole Miss and looking for wins, they make sense.

Miss State: Again, interesting. UAB is not likely to be very good and has not real football tradition in Div 1, WVU--wow, when was this game scheduled? If it was scheduled 5 years ago, then it was probably seen as a win.

S. Carolnia: Disgraceful.  I can handle UNC--a school from an adjoining state from a BCS conference.  Clemson is tradition/in state.  SC State?  UL-Lafayette?

UT: Cal--wow. When did they set this up?  Again, it could be one of those that looked like a bought win at the time. Southern Miss--only those not from the South will think this is an automatic win.  (USM had the FSU thing going for a while--playing anyone, anywhere).  NIU--if UT had played them this year, then it would have been respectable addition.  What have they got?  Not sure this does anything to help UT.  Do they think they will be able to recruit Chicago better?  UL-L also vying for unofficial SEC membership?

Vandy: That is weak, but I cannot see them scheduling big time teams just to lose.  Kudos to them for going to Michigan in 2006 though.

by SkiDawg1985 on Jan 14, 2007 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Good points, SkiDawg
Three comments, for whatever they're worth:
  • You're right about South Florida. The Bulls are an up-and-coming team in the Big East and they have the potential to become the fourth major power in the Sunshine State. As a pricey private school with an unseemly reputation, no built-in fan/donor base, and a dire need for a facilities upgrade, Miami could be in trouble during its time of coaching transition, so South Florida could be poised to leapfrog the 'Canes. Out-of-conference teams schedule U.S.F. at their peril.
  • I can't say for sure when Tennessee inked the deal to play Cal, but the Vols get the benefit of the doubt because of the frequency with which they have taken on quality Pac-10 programs in the last third of a century. Because U.T. recruits the Golden State, the Volunteers are always willing to take on good opponents from the West Coast. Of course, Tennessee has neither a perennial non-conference rival nor a regular neutral site game, and its in-state opponent is Vanderbilt, so the Big Orange does not face the same scheduling challenges as Alabama and Auburn once did or that Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina still do.
  • Ole Miss and Memphis have history, due largely to their proximity, and their series has been extremely competitive, so I give the Rebels credit for facing Tommy West's team, even though Memphis is coming off of a poor season.

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2007 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Cal-Tennessee
The Tennessee-California series was signed in July 2005.  

This was just after Cal's near-Rose Bowl season in 2004, so there's little doubt that UT knew what they were in for.  

by Solon on Jan 15, 2007 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Southern Miss
I am shocked, but not really, to see So.Miss show up only once in the SEC slate. I guess Bama and some of the other teams got tired of losing to them. I would like to see more of them and less of Western Carolina. One of my friends from Mississippi says both of the SEC schools there are scared to put the Eagles on their schedule which is a shame.
I agree with Kyle, there shouldn't be any non-Div1 teams on a schedule, but with 12 games in a season, I don't see that change happening any time soon.

by fotodog on Jan 14, 2007 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

You're exactly right about Southern Miss
The Golden Eagles have gotten too good for their own good.

To some extent, U.S.M. has always been a thorn in the S.E.C.'s side, registering wins over Auburn in 1977, over Mississippi State in 1978, 1979, 1980, and 1981, over Ole Miss in 1979 and 1980, and---most notably---over Alabama in 1982.

Southern Mississippi's domination of its fellow Magnolia State schools continued thereafter, with wins over the Bulldogs in 1982, 1983, 1986, 1987, and 1988 and wins over the Rebels in 1983 and 1984. For obvious reasons, the Eagles no longer are able to get a game in their home state.

That has not prevented them from bumping off the big boys, though. Southern Miss went on to beat Florida State in 1989, Alabama in 1990 and 2000, Auburn in 1990 and 1991, Georgia in 1996, Oklahoma State in 2000 and 2001, Illinois in 2002, and Nebraska in 2004.

U.S.M. is a real team that will give a B.C.S. conference opponent a real fight. S.E.C. teams deserve credit for scheduling the Golden Eagles and shame for ducking them.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually...
...it was Southern Miss that pulled out of the series with Bama. Various reasons were cited (who knows which, if any of them are are true) including irritation at Bama's refusal to play the occasional game in Hattiesburg and Southern Miss' desire to add another home game instead of always travelling for out of conference games (see getting NC State to come to Hattiesburg in '06.)
Roll Tide!

by Nico @ Dawg Sports on Jan 16, 2007 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The mayor has spoken...
And another target has now appeared on his radar screen. Some people can't leave well enough alone.

Will they ever understand?

Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Jan 14, 2007 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Kyle
When is Georgia's next OOC game outside of the SEC states?

by jonathantu on Jan 15, 2007 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

It's on September 20, 2008
That's when Georgia plays at Arizona State.

After that, it's September 5, 2009. That's when Georgia plays at Oklahoma State.

The Bulldogs play at Colorado in 2010, at Louisville in 2012, at Clemson in 2013, and at Oregon in 2015.

In the next nine years, the Red and Black will play six out-of-conference road games against B.C.S. conference teams, traveling to Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, and Oregon (in addition to Kentucky and South Carolina) to face an A.C.C. team, a Big East team, two Big 12 teams, and two Pac-10 teams . . . all while maintaining an annual in-state rivalry with a non-S.E.C. team (Georgia Tech) and giving up an additional home game every other year by continuing to play Florida at a neutral site.

In short, I'm feeling pretty good about the credibility of Georgia's scheduling.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

My bad, Jonathan
Upon further review, my tone in that reply wasn't as cordial as it should have been, for which I apologize.

As I hope is clear, I do not share the disdain many East Coast fans have for the Pac-10, but neither do I appreciate the attitudes of many West Coast fans who take a similarly dim view of the S.E.C., most often with an equally skewed view informed by distressingly few data.

Anyway, I took your question as sarcastic and responded in kind, when, in fact, it may have been a perfectly sincere inquiry designed to elicit useful information; I regret if I replied in an inappropriate tone.

On a lighter note, I enjoy your work, particularly your piece on Calvin Johnson. Nice job.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Also . . .
. . . while not suitable for children or the workplace, this was hilarious!

But, anyway, yeah, our scheduling is improving, so we've got that going for us.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

My stealth PR tactic worked!
No worries on the mistaken sarcasm. It's probably my fault since I'm too f-ing lazy to google your schedule.

(Which is untrue. I'm planning the amazingest of amazing college football journeys in '07 and Athens is one of my prohibitive destinations. Too bad so many schools refuse to make their future schedules available in, say, reasonable ways. As in clickable, or existant.)

But thanks for the props! Your endorsement now officially makes it 50-1 in favor of negative Georgia comments so far. Muuuuch better than 100-1.

by jonathantu on Jan 15, 2007 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

Much obliged, Jonathan
Let me know when you'll be in the Classic City and I'll show you the sights. You will travel under my personal guarantee of your safe passage through the heart of Bulldog Nation.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

PAC-10 non-conference scheduling for 2007
You might want to look at the PAC-10's OOC schedule for the upcoming season.  It's pretty impressive.  Of course, they start with the advantage of only having to schedule three of them, since they play nine conference games.

No, it doesn't make the PAC-10 a superior conference to the SEC.  But their fans are probably entitled to a little snarkiness on this one point.

by Senator Blutarsky on Jan 15, 2007 6:50 AM EST reply actions  

Fair point
In fact, the posting from which my kickoff quotation was drawn began by evaluating Pac-10 schedules for 2007 . . . and you're right, the West Coast B.C.S. league has done a good job of scheduling. I take nothing away from them in this respect.

It was that bit about "lead[ing] the weenie list again" that got me. Is S.E.C. scheduling improving as rapidly as it should or as rapidly as we would like? No, it isn't, but the Bulldogs, despite having to contend with several scheduling challenges (a conference championship game, an annual neutral site game, a recurring out-of-conference rivalry with a border state rival, and an out-of-conference in-state rival, none of which any Pac-10 team has to confront), are scheduling nationally, for which they deserve credit.

The presence of Western Carolina may put us partly on the weenie list, but leading it? No way! Surely the conference that contains both Kansas State and Texas Tech tops the weenie list, right?

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Need to take car of SEC business
While I applaud a tough out-of-conference mix, we need to win the ones in our backyard.  Do I feel good about the Colorado win?  No, because we looked like crap against Tenn., Miss St, Ole Miss, Vandy, GT, and Kentucky.  For some reason, our best two games were against top 10 Auburn and the BCS National Champs!  Go figure. Will a beat down of Okie State make me feel good if my annual "Pilgrimage of Humility" to Jville is what it has been?  No!  We have one national championship since 1980 and have only played for a shot twice since then (81 and 82 season).  Meanwhile, our SEC brethren have done it playing an SEC dominated schedule (minus the Auburn debacle).  Florida has one tow with an intentionally weak out-of-conference.

When a strong team in a weak conference only plays their weak conference and the Sisters of Mercy, they need to play some big boys.  When less than 4-5 SEC Schools are in the top 25 AND we run the table a few times, we should seek better/other competition.  Until then, who cares about Arizona State, USC, Michigan, or Louisville?

by ssidedawg1 on Jan 15, 2007 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

What about Auburn in 2004?
That was the wake-up call for S.E.C. teams that thought a conference schedule alone was enough.

Bear in mind that tough out-of-conference scheduling can pay dividends for all involved. In 2005, Texas's win over Ohio State and Southern California's win over Notre Dame propelled them into the Rose Bowl for a national title showdown . . . but the Buckeyes and the Fighting Irish got credit for quality losses and wound up in the Fiesta Bowl because of it.

To a lesser degree, Georgia benefited from opening the 2005 season with Boise State, which forced the team to be focused in the offseason, far more than from opening the 2006 season with Western Kentucky. A win over Oklahoma State next September could jump-start the season, while a loss might still pave the way to a season not unlike Cal's in 2006.

As we learned from the experience of Florida, Florida State, Nebraska, and Tennessee, the key to winning a national title is to keep winning nine or 10 games every year and, eventually, you'll catch the breaks that make the difference between 10-2 and 12-0.

We should take heart that Georgia now is at that level; the 'Dawgs have won 13, 11, 10, 10, and nine games in each of the last five seasons, capturing two S.E.C. titles and three Eastern Division crowns in the process.

The 'Dawgs have been as close as anyone as consistently as anyone in the S.E.C. during that period, we just didn't get that last break. Bear in mind that Georgia in 2002, L.S.U. in 2003, and Florida in 2006 had essentially identical seasons.

The Bayou Bengals and the Gators just happened to go 13-1 in years in which there were no unbeatens or only one unbeaten, respectively, so they played for (and won) national titles. The 'Dawgs just had the misfortune of going 13-1 in a year in which two teams went unbeaten. That was all that kept the Red and Black out of national championship contention.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyle
Much appreciated. When I asked Orson about Atlanta he mumbled something about "jorts" and "cola" and didn't elaborate. Good to know that there will be a jort-less option in Georgia.

But I do like cola.

by jonathantu on Jan 15, 2007 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome South, my friend
Around here, though, we call it a Coke. Even if it's a Sprite or a Dr Pepper or whatever, we still call it a Coke. Don't ask why; it's just a thing we do.

Have you ever had a Chick-fil-A? If not, you'll want to get one while you're here. They didn't invent the chicken, just the chicken sandwich.

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've heard of it
As in, that's where Miami got whomped by LSU. But I've never tasted it.

I'll give you a heads up when I finalize my schedule, but just to give you some scope: 14 weeks, 10 different states (so far) and as many games as I can cram into three plus months of driving.

Fall '07 = paradise. On wheels.

by jonathantu on Jan 15, 2007 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a plan
Seriously, when you get it all finalized, let me know and we'll make sure to cross paths while you're in the Peach State.

Are you planning on writing a Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer-style account of your journey?

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2007 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, if you mean I plan on writing about it
No, if you mean I plan on writing well about it.

by jonathantu on Jan 15, 2007 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

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