Roll 'Bama Roll Offers Balanced Appraisal of Isaiah Crowell
No, that's not sarcasm. For all the problems we've had with visiting Alabama fans lately, Roll 'Bama Roll has offered a fair assessment of Isaiah Crowell.
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This caused me to go read a comment where a Bama fan called us delusional. Thanks.
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It also came with an absurd strawman saying we all felt that we should have beaten LSU
I don’t know any UGA fan who thought we should have (or that we would have) beaten LSU. I think most of us expected a loss; we just thought it wouldn’t have been so bad, especially after the first half. Expecting a loss shouldn’t stop us from hoping for a win and thinking there was a chance (however slight) we could have pulled it off.
Labeling us delusional because we think we should have beaten Sparty (and only lost in triple OT) does not warrant a response.
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They thought they beat LSU if they made a kick. But not willing to get the same credit with MSU.
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Bammers gonna troll.
Totally surprised.
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by vineyarddawg on Jan 25, 2012 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
As I said in a thread the other day
Bama fans in general are just getting really old. Pardon my language, but I just can’t understand why there is a significant segment of their fanbase that just has the proverbial hard-on for taking unprovoked shots at our program and more specifically, Mark Richt. I find it rich that they take some sort of sick pleasure in labeling UGA fans as the delusional ones because we have the same expectations of every fanbase in the SEC without the words Vanderbilt, Kentucky, or Mississippi in our name.
I’ve honestly just started tuning it out because it’s not worth responding to them since it leads to the inevitable “HURRR we ruined ya’lls blackout” and “I’m glad you have Mark Richt ’cuz Saban-bot 4.0 will steal yur recruitz and UGA will never be a power with him there”. If there is a fanbase that deserves 30 years straight of losing records, it certainly resides in Tuscaloosa.
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They'd go through 45 coaches
and still expect to be competing for a national championship every year.
Is it a significant segment? Or is it a loud segment?
I think most Alabama fans have natural inclination towards liking UGA. UGA hates UT and Auburn, Alabama hate UT and Auburn.
Honestly, can we not rally around hatred of Auburn and UT?
I hope it's just a loud segment
My best friend and my younger brother are both Bama fans (my brother is a student). The hate just seems irrational to me, and it’s only gotten worse given your most recent success. The condescension is really irritating.
Agreed.
I have stated repeatedly that I believe it’s a small yet vocal segment, but it’s there, and it’s inexplicable, and it’s irritating. I don’t know why, e.g., outsidethesidelines has such disdain for the ‘Dawgs, but he undeniably does, and it’s both baffling and disheartening.
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We have our own little small segment
thankfully you and the rest of the staff have managed to keep them confined to the reply blogs on the AJC. I think all major colleges and universities have that small segment…the 10% or the sh*tbirds
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Granted.
Every fan base has its yahoos, most definitely including ours.
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But them Dawgs is in the fight song, PPAAAAAAWWWWWWLLLLL.
We gots ta teach the Bulldogs to behave. The Bahr would.
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by vineyarddawg on Jan 26, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Bama fans do it the most, but it's not just them.
After the SECCG but before the NCG, I got trolled pretty hard with the “Ya’ll should fire Richt b/c he hasn’t gotten you anywhere” line by an LSU fan while playing “Star Wars: The Old Republic.” I had been polite and had complimented LSU on its SECCG win, so I finally called the dude out and asked him to stop being a jerk about CMR. Thankfully, he settled down after that, and we happily agreed on Chizik’s inevitable post-Cam demise. Point is, this notion that Richt always has been and always will be mediocre by SEC standards is not exclusive to Bama by any means.
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by MidnightFrost1701 on Jan 25, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I bit.
I responded to the comment. I thought Kleph’s post was good, but the guy who replied was off. I should have let it go, but I didn’t.
i didn't comment in that thread
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Correct
I know you were not one of the respondents. BTW, I am sorry that I let the replies get off topic from the original post which I thought was fair & well-done.
Why is TiderUpNorth saying this? He's mean.
But, 1980’n shit!
"Tim Tebow isn't a quarterback, he's a tight end lining up in the wildcat." -Daniel Tosh
Crowell's production was "almost exactly what I expected from a super stud true freshman that's long on talent but short on experience/development."
Todd hits the nail squarely on the head. IC essentially went straight from high school to starting in the SEC; he didn’t even have the benefit of spring training since he didn’t enroll early. I understand that people are upset about his suspensions and a perceived lack of toughness, but his numbers were undoubtedly impressive under the circumstances.
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by Spears on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
My favorite is...
The whole timeline of only discussing Saban’s time and seemingly forgetting the barren wasteland of the Mike Shula years. I like the selective history a la UF fans.
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by BCDawg97 on Jan 25, 2012 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They think that Mark Richt is Mike Shula
and that the same thing would happen to us if we ditched Mark Richt as happened to the when they dropped Shula. The problem with this is that Mark Richt is not Mike Shula, nor, that I can think of, is there another Nick Saban on the market. Except Nick Saban, of course, but I don’t think even we could afford him at this point.
It's the national-title-cures-all mentality that infects all of college football.
Nick Saban has been a college head football coach for 16 seasons. During that span, he has had six seasons of double-digit victories, has won three SEC championships, has won five SEC West division titles, has been to three Sugar Bowls, has gone 7-6 in postseason play, and has amassed a .729 winning percentage.
Mark Richt has been a college head football coach for eleven seasons. During that span, he has had seven seasons of double-digit victories (one more than Coach Saban), has won two SEC championships (one less than Coach Saban), has won five SEC East division titles (equal to Coach Saban), has been to three Sugar Bowls (equal to Coach Saban), has gone 7-4 in postseason play (as many wins as, but two fewer losses than, Coach Saban), and has amassed a .741 winning percentage (12 points better than Coach Saban).
The measurable differences between Coach Richt and Coach Saban are minuscule. Anyone who thinks Mark Richt is comparable to Mike Shula, rather than to Nick Saban, is an idiot who knows nothing about history.
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Anyone who thinks Mark Richt is comparable to Mike Shula, rather than to Nick Saban, is an idiot who knows nothing about history.
those last 5 words weren’t needed.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 25, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Possibly, but I thought it worth noting that such people . . .
. . . are ignorant as well as stupid.
If educated, such people still would be morons, but, in addition to being imbeciles, they also are less than knowledgeable.
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by T Kyle King on Jan 25, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The impression I have gotten
is that they’re Bama, we’re UGA, and no matter who our respective coaches are, they will always, always be better than us just cuz they’re super coolz.
Just ignore it
Honestly, I used to enjoy RBR because I think it’s a pretty well written site that does good work on statistical analysis and whatnot. I just quit going over there and participating because the constant condescension just got real old real quick. The subject of the post could be politics, world weather, integral calculus, whatever subject you can think of, and they will still find a way to make the conversation about how Mark Richt has failed as the coach at UGA. Just look at how the comments on this article, an article about the success rate of a running back, devolved into “HURR – we ruined your blackout like da Bahr woulda done” and “HURR – wez so superiorz to youz Georgia idjuts”.
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It's impossible to have a rational discussion when the only answer is "14" or 100 or whatever.
If I spent that much time to write a good post on Isiah, I would mod it to keep it on point. Todd maybe a good man, a good sports writer, but the homerism, from my point of view, kicks in when he does all that work and the “CMR has underachieved….we ruined your blackout”. I would say “Hey, lets stay on point.” He did a lot of work, only to let it spiral into a typical thread. I would push folks here for more. Only a handful of comments have anything to do with the OP.
The point is made that Bama has 3 NCs in the last two decades while UGA has none. You know what else we don’t have? Probation. A revolving door at HC. Oversigning. A tremendously higher academic institution. A better city. A better campus. While Bama defines itself by one thing, and one thing only: NCs in football, UGA defines itself by, frankly, UGA. And that’s the real truth of why there is that hate from SC, Bama, Auburn. It’s that although not content with the lack of a NC in the last decade, we also don’t have to define ourselves by it. Would I trade CMR for Saban if it meant we get an NC? No. I wouldn’t. (This would be the point where a bama fan shows up and tells me I don’t believe what I said). But I do know Bama pays a HC $4M to do whatever it takes. That’s not the standard I have for my alma mater, nor one I want to create.
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by chuckdawg on Jan 26, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude.
If you had any integrity whatsoever you’d just man up and admit that you would fire Richt and take Saban.
/IDidn’tJustQuestionYourIntegrity
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by RedCrake on Jan 26, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, I know right? I won't forget that post ever.
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This is poorly written, but I think my point is understandable. I apologize, I shouldn't attempt writing while this sick.
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Your last paragraph sums it up for me as well
While Bama defines itself by one thing, and one thing only: NCs in football, UGA defines itself by, frankly, UGA.
I think the priorities of Bama, and Auburn to a further extent because of Bama, are just so grossly misplaced. No Georgia fan is happy with being average. Of course we want to have a perennial championship contender. However, I don’t live my life on a daily basis defined by the accomplishments of my alma mater’s football team like most Bama fans do. For all the criticism thrown at Joe Paterno in his final months, and rightly so, this quote that came from the 1968 Sports Illustrated article that has been cited in his death is so on the money:
“We’re trying to win football games, don’t misunderstand that,” said Paterno last week. "But I don’t want it to ruin our lives if we lose. I don’t want us ever to become the kind of place where an 8-2 season is a tragedy. Look at that day outside. It’s clear, it’s beautiful, the leaves are turning, the land is pretty and it’s quiet. If losing a game made me miserable, I couldn’t enjoy such a day.
You know what else UGA doesn’t have that Bama does? Fans that will throw rocks through coach’s home windows or fans that will poison trees because they don’t like the player that beat their team. Bama fans have completely lost perspective regarding what role college football should serve in their lives and it leads to this condescending dribble.
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by AuditDawg on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, football's more fun when you can enjoy a SEC championship
and not be pissed because you didn’t win a national championship.
I seem to recall your fans
Throwing drinks at paul finebaum after the blackout game. I mean, yea we have our crazies, but so does everyone else. How about the saints fan that shot a 49ers fan or the article on yahoo about 49ers threatening a man and his young daughters during the game. A UT/Oklahoma bar brawl ended with a castration a few years back. How many people have been killed in brawls at soccer games in other parts of the world?
The recent incidents with Bama fans are truly outlandish and have gotten a lot of attention, but be careful about saying you don’t have those kinds of fans because I guarantee you do somewhere. If Updyke doesn’t call finebaum to brag and there wasn’t video of the Krystal incident we probably wouldn’t be talking about them.
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And if your aunt was your uncle....
yeah, sure IF Updyke isn’t a fool and call Finebaum to brag, but he did. And if that teabagging idiot wasn’t filmed, but he was, and he knew it. In both instances, it’s not like it was done without them knowing exactly those facts and doing their idiotic actions anyway. Updyke called Finebaum, knew he was on the air, and it was going out public. The other moron knew he would be on tape, and that it could and probably would go public. You can say if all you want, but what happened, happened, and they did so knowingly.
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obviously
But the point is that these things could have flown under the radar, so don’t assume similar things aren’t happening in your own backyard just because it isn’t in the news.
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I had written a long reply...
… but instead, I’m just going to say that you’re wrong and leave it at that. And this:
People throw beer and fight everywhere in the country, but there’s a reason Bama-level shit pretty much only happens at Bama.
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I just now discovered this thread was still going.
And as usual, the blackout game comes up.
by chuckdawg on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
I was just giving the site one last look before shutting down for the night, and I was amazed to see there were seven new comments.
Anyway, I posted this fanshot because, after having been (I think fairly) critical of outsidethesidelines’s baffling Georgia- and Mark Richt-bashing, I thought it only reasonable to link to something another Roll ’Bama Roll author had written about the Bulldogs that was evenhanded.
In other words, I was complimenting reasonable Alabama fans, of which there are many, some of whom visit this site from time to time.
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Only happens at bama? What a crock. How about all the other example I gave of people getting killed, castrated, children threatened? People do crazy things for crazy reasons all over the place, not just bama. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
"Those are just facts and facts are just opinions and opinions can be wrong"
-Veronica, Better Off Ted
And IMO all the examples I gave (other than the beer throwing) are much worse than either incident with bama fans.
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Zoltar, let it go. seriously. You have gone from college sports fanaticism to the absolutely inappropriate.
This is a hint. Please take it.
Not sure what you mean by inappropriate.
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Let what go? I’m still not sure what you were talking about.
You have gone from college sports fanaticism to the absolutely inappropriate.
That sentence just doen’t make sense contextually or grammatically. I don’t know if you are referring to the subjects I was discussing or are trying to imply that I have been inappropriate. It just wasn’t clear, and I honestly had no idea what you meant. Thus I asked for clarification, and the response was more condescension and bullying.
If you were implying that I was inappropriate, let me remind you of some things said by dawgsports.com editors in this thread.
Reading comprehension and Alabama really don’t mix.
there’s a reason Bama-level shit pretty much only happens at Bama.
Which is fine. I’ve got a thick skin, but don’t turn around and tell me that I’m inappropriate for saying that crazy doesn’t just happen at Bama.
Kyle, say what you want about OTS’s Georgia-bashing, but it seems to me that there is a similar individual over here. I.e. someone with an axe to grind against UA (especially our coach) and who takes it out with passive aggressiveness, flame-baiting, and condescension while lording his authority over bama visitors.
Honestly I really like UGA. I have a good friend that’s a Dawg (also a Carolina Panther’s fan, bless his heart for having to pull for Cam Newton!), and I agree with what Kenny said about the common ground. It’s a shame that the vocal minorities on both sides seem to be poisoning things with their arrogance.
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We got it. We're H8TRZ.
And some of your best friends are Dawg fans.
Fantastic. Can that be the last word?
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by vineyarddawg on Feb 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Cool with me.
I said my peace.
If you want to go back on topic, how is UGA’s O Line looking next year. Looks like you’re going to have some talented backs, but so much of the run game depends on the big guys up front.
"Those are just facts and facts are just opinions and opinions can be wrong"
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Yes, it can be the last word.
I’m not in the mood for this today. I’m shutting down the thread, which, to repeat, was initiated as an effort at paying a compliment to reasonable Alabama fans.
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So it's ok to bash Bama on this thread....
….but not ok for Bama fans to bash UGA on their thread?
I would mod it to keep it on point.
Then do it, then.
by yellowhammer on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh please, this is exactly my point.
I didnt write the OP dude. This is a post about the OP, and not my writing.
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Well...
T Kyle King went to the trouble of providing a link to an interesting article and a forum to discuss it, but as of this timestamp there is only 1 comment out of 38 that is “on topic”.
I thought it was comical that you’d rail the RBR commenters and mods for not keeping on topic, right in the middle of a thread that is completely off-topic.
Carry on.
by yellowhammer on Jan 27, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Reading comprehension and Alabama really don't mix.
I don’t need to mod this as it isnt my fanpost, and it’s about another post. I can’t mod the post on RBR, however, if it were my post, I would have kept it on topic as I said. Is this so hard to understand? This is a link to another post. Apples and Oranges.
Carry on.
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I've always gotten the impression that Shula was thought of as a good person (and Saban is not)
Bama fans didn’t like Shula. They don’t like Richt. Clearly, they just don’t like good people.
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An even better comparison
is Les Miles. What’s the difference between the two? The year he went 11-2 and won the SEC championship, they started ranked #2 and only one team in the country finished with 1 loss. Too bad that didn’t happen in 2002 or 2005. Or that people weren’t so sensitive about the whole “got to win your division to go to the national championship” thing in 2007.
It’s always been right place, wrong time for Mark Richt. But I trust him to get us there as much as anyone else.
by elfcrash on Jan 26, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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