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Alabama won the BlogPoll national championship, despite the fact that five voters (including me) ranked the Tide third. Georgia ended up ranked 19th after a ten-win division championship season in which the Bulldogs lost to No. 2 LSU, No. 7 Boise State, No. 8 South Carolina, and No. 10 Michigan State.

The Red and Black had the second-highest degree of deviation in the poll, thanks partly to my ballot: I won the Straight Bangin' Award and finished second in the running for Mr. Bold.

Go 'Dawgs!

5 months ago Beard_47_series_wins_and_42_points_in_2007_tiny T Kyle King 28 comments 0 recs  | 

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Also, I finished third in "Swing," . . .

. . . but I don’t approve of dancing.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Orson Charles

It’s official. Orson is leaving for the NFL.

by chatblu on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

I refuse to take the blogpoll seriously..

..until Michael over at Braves and Birds is correctly labeled as a University of Michigan blogger. Anyone who frequents his fine blog knows that he is first a Michigan man and second a Barca Buff.

by Hobnail_Boot on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Question for TKK

I was discussing your reasoning for your final BlogPoll ballot with a friend and he asked, “What if Georgia won the SEC and the national title in a year they lost to Georgia Tech?”

As implausible a situation as this may be, I wanted to hear your (and perhaps tankertoad’s) opinion on this. You previously said,

I believe it to be simply nonsensical to claim that a team can be a national champion without first being a conference champion; it is a non sequitur, akin to saying I am the tallest person in my neighborhood but the second-tallest person in my household.
Can a team reasonably be crowned national champion without first being crowned “state champion?”

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by animalcracker on Jan 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

The first assumption here would be GaTech was ranked so high, that a loss to them would not take us out of the top 2 spots to play in a NC, which is highly unlikely.

If UGA lost to GT, then won the SEC, most likely case is they wouldnt play for a NC in the first place. Now, if GT was that highly ranked, and won the ACC, it is possible they would themselves go onto a NC game, which would have rematch possibilities, and I am not for a post season rematch and GT should get a shot at somone else.

This is all out in GT purple rainbow land though.

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by chuckdawg on Jan 12, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A hypothetical:

A two-loss Georgia Tech team wins a close game against a previously undefeated, #1 Georgia squad and later goes on to win the ACC championship game. UGA saves the season by defeating a top ten SEC West team in the SEC championship game and is moved into the #2 slot by the voters.

In the BCS title game against an undefeated Big Ten champion, Georgia does what all SEC teams have done to Big Ten teams in the title game and claims the BCS title. By all measures but one, the Georgia Bulldogs would be the best team in the land. That is, Georgia Tech could lay claim to being the “best” team in the state of Georgia.

While I don’t think any Georgia fan should discount this hypothetical Georgia team as undeserving of the “national champion” moniker, Kyle’s stated reasoning (and supporting analogy) would preclude him from claiming this title if he intends to remain consistent in reasoning.

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"What makes a second chance worth having comes from taking advantage of it, from correcting the mistakes you made and burning for redemption. Not wishing for it. Earning it." -Cecil Hurt, 10 JAN 2012

by animalcracker on Jan 12, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, hypotheticals! Great, I love hypotheticals.

Wait, no I don’t.

What is so gorram hard to understand about WINNING YOUR GORRAM CONFERENCE? Is Georgia Tech in Georgia’s conference? No? Then losing to them but advancing to the national championship game would not fall astray from the idea that Kyle laid out.

Everybody wants to have an undefeated, untied national championship. It’s possible to win the national championship while having one loss, though, and sometimes even two. As long as those losses don’t keep you from winning your conference, then there’s no problem that the national champion has a loss to somebody.

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by vineyarddawg on Jan 12, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This whole exercise in "Would I want UGA to win a MNC without winning the SEC?" is hypothetical.
Is Georgia Tech in Georgia’s conference? No? Then losing to them but advancing to the national championship game would not fall astray from the idea that Kyle laid out.

Using the hypothetical I laid out, one could argue (much like Kyle) that “I believe it to be simply nonsensical to claim that a team can be a national champion without first being [the best team in the state]; it is a non sequitur, akin to saying I am the tallest person in my neighborhood but the second-tallest person in my household.”

The logic is the same, which is why I brought it up.

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"What makes a second chance worth having comes from taking advantage of it, from correcting the mistakes you made and burning for redemption. Not wishing for it. Earning it." -Cecil Hurt, 10 JAN 2012

by animalcracker on Jan 12, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no such thing as a "state champion" in college football...

… and Georgia Tech is just an out-of-conference opponent. In fact, Clemson is just about as close to Athens as Atlanta is. If we lost to Clemson but won the national championship, should we then consider it invalid because we didn’t win the “within 90 miles of Athens” championship?

Conferences are intentionally constituted groupings that are put together for the purposes of creating a competition that determines a champion. Those conferences have all joined together as subsets of a larger system that crowns a champion. One should not be able to claim he is the champion of the superset without being the champion of his individual subset.

The fact that the team might have lost to someone from another subset is irrelevant. In fact, simply losing to a member of his own subset is irrelevant, as long as he is still able to win the championship of his subset.

The State of Georgia is not a subset of the NCAA… it is a political boundary. Politics and college football are not joined in any way, nor should they be.

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by vineyarddawg on Jan 12, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You made that way to rational and deep.

If UGA lost to GT, their wouldnt be any talk of UGA going to an NC.

AND………..

If UGA lost to GT, I wouldnt want any part of an NC. But there I go again. )

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by chuckdawg on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, frack. "too" and "there" yea, I know.

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by chuckdawg on Jan 12, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's why I threw Clemson into the mix.

At least they’re good every once in a while.

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by vineyarddawg on Jan 12, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

As explained below, . . .

. . . this is simply silly, animalcracker. Your conclusion does not follow from my rationale, and, if you say otherwise, you simply lack basic reading comprehension or (more likely) are being obtuse on purpose.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This isn't high school...

there is no “state champion” title.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 12, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, animalcracker, . . .

. . . by assuming you’re being serious rather than snarky. I say that because (a) we’ve had a serious problem with Alabama trolling this week, and (b) I would hope it would be clear that your comparison is, frankly, silly.

There is no “state championship” per se. We play Georgia Tech every year, and the winner may call itself the “state champs,” and there’s even a Big Ten-style trophy associated with the game, but there is no formal “state championship.” The silliness of that concept becomes even more clear when you look at the Iron Bowl, the winner of which may not have played UAB, or at the Florida-Florida State rivalry, which frequently has been won by Gator clubs that did not also play Miami. Conference expansion has ended or is ending several in-state series (Texas-Texas A&M, Penn State-Pitt, Boise State-Idaho); should the Longhorns, the Nittany Lions, and the Broncos automatically be disqualified from national championship consideration because they did not even play “state championship” games?

The fundamental problem underlying your question, and underlying the assumptions of those who say, simply and simplistically, “Alabama won Monday; therefore, no other team has a claim to the national title” is that it places much too much emphasis on one game. I am interested in what a team does over the course of a season. If Georgia finishes the regular season 11-1, loses to Georgia Tech, wins the SEC Championship Game, and wins the BCS National Championship Game, I won’t concede that the Yellow Jackets had the better season just because the played the better game on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

Much like tankertoad, though, I would, while celebrating the national title (and the legitimacy thereof), lament the one that got away most of all. That’s not hypothetical, by the way; the 1942 loss to Auburn still burns me. I hate Auburn.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

In that scenario of us winning a national title with a sole defeat at the hands of the Nerds

would Paul Johnson give his team championship rings?

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

probably

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by chuckdawg on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I was being serious, Kyle,

though I really was just passing along the thoughts of a friend.

I hope that my behavior these past 5 days would not be considered trolling.

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"What makes a second chance worth having comes from taking advantage of it, from correcting the mistakes you made and burning for redemption. Not wishing for it. Earning it." -Cecil Hurt, 10 JAN 2012

by animalcracker on Jan 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And while I do realize my proposal is silly,

in the sense that it is improbable and that my use of the phrase “state championship” does not apply to college football, it was only submitted to further clarify your thoughts. vineyarddawg did a great job of answering my question with his “subset” explanation.

Thanks y’all!

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"What makes a second chance worth having comes from taking advantage of it, from correcting the mistakes you made and burning for redemption. Not wishing for it. Earning it." -Cecil Hurt, 10 JAN 2012

by animalcracker on Jan 13, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, animalcracker.

I apologize if I insulted you; we’ve been getting battered from every direction around here lately, so we’re on high alert.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Two ways of looking at this...

…and both can be viewed as valid.
Kyle takes an individual game and draws from it a definitive meaning (LSU beat Alabama head to head in the regular season, earning the right to play the #4 team in the SEC for the conference title, which LSU won which means they are the best team in the SEC).

Others look at an individual game as a small sample and draw conclusions based on the results (LSU defeated Alabama, but based on the game, Alabama would win 4 out of 5 meetings and while that individual win means LSU gets the oppotunity to win the SEC title over the #4 SEC team, in no way does it diminish the fact that given the opportunity, Alabama would not only win a rematch, but 4 out of 5 rematches).

One is a finite view, one is statistical. Either way though, to vote LSU #1, and not vote the team that just stomped them into a mudhole in N.O. at least #2 is a little confusing.

by rxmaster on Jan 12, 2012 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Eh...his reasoning is sound.

I value the conference championship over the BCS title as well, but I have no problem accepting the latter without the former.

The problem with voting Alabama #3 is that all conference championships are not created equal. Alabama didn’t win its division, and neither did Oklahoma State. If Alabama were in the SEC East, they could’ve righted the situation in Atlanta.

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"What makes a second chance worth having comes from taking advantage of it, from correcting the mistakes you made and burning for redemption. Not wishing for it. Earning it." -Cecil Hurt, 10 JAN 2012

by animalcracker on Jan 12, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If Alabama were in the SEC East

This would all be moot. They wouldn’t have played LSU for the MNC because everyone would agree that they didn’t play anybody.

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by RedCrake on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Or they could have lost the first time like they did this year

and being the SEC C game, wouldn’t have gotten the opportunity for a rematch.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, rxmaster, I think the opposite is true.

I’m the one who’s looking at the whole season. That’s why I ranked Louisiana State and Oklahoma State ahead of Alabama; LSU and OSU beat more good teams than ’Bama did, plain and simple.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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