Boise State Broncos 35, Georgia Bulldogs 21: "For Nothing Now Can Ever Come to Any Good"
by T Kyle King on Sep 4, 2011 2:24 AM EDT
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PrintPart of me wants to pull a Lewis Grizzard here. Part of me wants to write, "Frankly, I don’t want to talk about it," and just go to bed. That, however, would not be fair. It wouldn’t be fair to you, and it wouldn’t be fair to the Boise St. Broncos, about whom more anon. Besides, we both know I’m not getting to sleep anytime soon, so I might as well write this now, and be done with it.
I went to the game with my law school roommate, who comments here occasionally under the screen name "College Buddy." He and I have gone to a number of college football games over the years, but, since he started getting season tickets a few years ago, we haven’t sat together in Sanford Stadium. He did, however, attend the Georgia Bulldogs’ 2005 season opener against Boise State with me, which we figured was a good omen when we decided to make the trek to the Georgia Dome together. This was the first of many miscalculations.
We ran into RedCrake after getting a bite to eat---if there was a Chick-fil-A sandwich for sale inside the stadium, I did not find it, which pretty much set the tone for the evening---then College Buddy and I made our way to our seats, which quite literally were on the last row of the upper deck. We were in Section 316, Row 26, Seats 11 and 12, which afforded us the vantage point from which to observe the horror as it unfolded below.
I must, in good conscience, pause here to congratulate the Broncos, who are, in fact, every bit as good a football team as I have credited them with being throughout the entirety of my time in the blogosphere. Many SEC partisans have denied the legitimacy of Boise State’s achievements; I have never been one of them, and BSU tonight proved it was a talented, disciplined, well-coached football team. If the Broncos run the table, they will deserve a shot at the national championship.
They will not get that shot, however. I say that not because I doubt that they are good enough, or because I doubt that they will go undefeated, but because their strength of schedule will be their undoing. The two most heralded teams on the Broncos’ 2011 slate, the ‘Dawgs and the TCU Horned Frogs, thus far have failed miserably to look like good football teams, which will count against Boise State, through no fault of Boise State’s.
Please do not mistake this for excuse-making on my part; it is not. Boise State was the better team, they fully deserved the win that they got, and they won the game more convincingly on the field than the scoreboard suggested. The Broncos in many ways made the Bulldogs look so bad, which is to BSU’s credit. They are who we thought they were, and, even if Georgia had played well, Boise State still would have earned the win and gotten the win. I take nothing whatsoever away from Boise State.
The problem, from our perspective, is this: Boise State came into the game as a top five team, and the Broncos looked like a top five team, but Georgia came into the game as a top 20 team, and the Bulldogs did not look like a top 20 team. Again, a large part of the credit for that goes to Boise State, but our issue isn’t that the ‘Dawgs lost, it’s how they lost.
Nothing has been fixed, and few things have improved. While the defense probably played a bit better than the Broncos’ 35 points suggest, and the offense certainly played much worse than the Bulldogs’ 21 points indicate, essentially every problem that plagued this team before plagued this team still. This was the Liberty Bowl on a larger stage against a better team, which is why this game likely will mean much less to Boise State three months from now than it means to the Broncos tonight. Though the Broncos are as good as advertised, the Bulldogs remain less than the sum of their parts.
The hope that was possible at 0-0 has vanished at 0-1. This need not have been so; had Georgia held up its end of the deal the way Boise State did---had the Bulldogs played like a team deserving of its preseason ranking the way the Broncos did---the Red and Black still would have lost, but we might’ve taken a measure of solace in having fought valiantly while falling to a superior opponent. Improvement is possible, even in defeat. I’m not mad that Boise State is better than Georgia; Boise State is better than the overwhelming majority of college football teams, and has been for a while, and the Broncos may be better than any other team in the land. I’m mad that Georgia lacked even the capacity to give the Broncos a game.
In 2005, Boise State turned out to be better than the Bulldogs made the Broncos look in the season opener; maybe, in 2011, the roles will be reversed, and Georgia will turn out to be better than the Broncos made them look to open the autumn. The evidence that this might be so, however, is meager, if it exists at all.
This, I believe, was the beginning of the end. That is a reality about which I remain conflicted, though many devoted Georgia fans are not conflicted about that reality, and have not been for some time; certainly, the fact that, in the fourth quarters of both contests, the Georgia Dome was as deserted on Labor Day weekend as the Liberty Bowl was on New Year’s Eve attests to the way the wind is blowing. You can like it, dislike it, or be uncertain about it, but this exhibition by the Bulldogs and their coaches means it is more likely than not that Kirby Smart is going to be introduced by Greg McGarity at a news conference in Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall this December. In saying so, I am neither advocating nor opposing a position; rather, I am stating what I believe to be the truth.
I congratulate Boise State. I wish the Bulldogs were a good enough football team for the Broncos to get the credit they deserve for beating Georgia. The fact that the Bulldogs are not most probably means that those of us who were not there already have three months to prepare ourselves to welcome the arrival of the 26th head football coach in our history.
Go ‘Dawgs.
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I'm still composing my thoughts into my weekly Sunday post that will appear tomorrow evening...
… but I pretty much agree with you 100%. (Except the coaching thing… but that’s a discussion for another time and another place.)
Also, I was in section 115, so I basically could have turned around and waved to you, if I hadn’t been too busy sitting in my seat and weeping softly into my cap for the entire second half.
More later…
by vineyarddawg on Sep 4, 2011 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, vineyarddawg.
I should add here my thanks to tankertoad and to College Buddy, with whom I spoke at length after the game—-College Buddy, during the walk to the car and on the drive to my house; tankertoad, during a lengthy and cathartic postgame phone conversation not unlike my postgame phone conversation with DavetheDawg after the Liberty Bowl—-for their invaluable assistance in helping me collect my disjointed thoughts to an adequate degree to allow me to compose a postgame writeup that was anything other than a string of curse words.
That said, I apologize for the second “plagued” in the eighth paragraph above, which should’ve been “plagues.” I’ll get to the comment threads, fanposts, &c., over the next couple of days; your patience (with me, I mean) is appreciated.
Go 'Dawgs!
That text about predicting the score, btw, came from me.
Not sure if you have my cell # programmed into your phone or not. No, it wasn’t some random internet stalker texting you about his predictive abilities. :-)
Thanks, vineyarddawg.
Evidently, I missed that one, but I’ll check my missed alerts tomorrow (by which I mean, of course, later today).
Go 'Dawgs!
Thanks, podunkdawg.
Yeah, I saw it was a long one, and tankertoad gave me the basic rundown when we spoke. I also saw (when I went in to change the site header) that there had been a number of bannings. I’ll touch base with folks on Sunday—-I haven’t checked e-mail since Friday, either—-but do I need to review the main in-game thread, or have any potential problems been addressed adequately already? If they’ve been handled, (a) thanks, and (b) I won’t torture myself by slogging through it all.
Go 'Dawgs!
Unless you just want to revisit our friend Stephen1980
I think its all been handled.
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
I recommend you do what you always do, read the game thread and compare it to what you experienced. TV isnt the same as live.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
A chance to relive the singular agony of this evening...
Sign me up!
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
Ordinarily, I would do that, but, thanks to you, tankertoad, . . .
. . . I feel I have a pretty decent handle on the course the conversation took, with which I do not quarrel, but which I’d just as soon not rehash unnecessarily.
I’ll put it this way: If MaconDawg or any of the authors or moderators feel there is some part of the in-game thread I need to look at and/or be aware of and/or address, e-mail me, and I’ll give it a look.
Otherwise, I’ll deal with the other long threads over the course of the next couple of days, but I’ll probably avoid diving into the in-game thread itself. I mean, 1,700+ comments! That’s a record, by far, for which I am appreciative, but which I’d rather not relive, if that’s all right. :)
Go 'Dawgs!
well, i will help you:
they all say “WTF” – especially in regards to CMBs play calling.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Yeah...in terms of the profanity,
I probably committed the most egregious violation of the night when I snapped at that BSU fan. The thought of Mama reading the blog definitely puts things in perspective. My bad—won’t happen again.
And I thought I had turned a corner after last season…
How 'Bout Them Dawgs!
I wanted to speak ,
with you again post-game, Kyle, but was just too downtrodden to make it much past mid-night. I may give you a call at some point this week because therapy, by any and all means, is about all I have right now and commiseration is step one to a 12 step process…
I’m not giving up on this season. I cannot. Naturally, my expectations have changed. And I don’t expect to win next week.
We can learn much from Boise State. All those “two star” kids no one wanted have been embraced and coached up to become damn good football players. All those undersized linemen who, again, no one wanted because of some ridiculous “star ranking” were embraced by this team, coached up, and played with a heart and determination that can never be measured. Boise State wanted it more. Kellen Moore doesn’t have a strong arm. He doesn’t need one. He was so “in sync” with his guys on those underneath routes that he just threw to a spot on the field where he knew they would be. It was surgical, precise and damn admirable. We couldn’t defend this, yet it was coming on virtually every other play. I am a huge Kellen Moore fan, bony ass and all (I say this in total jest and I wish I had a bony ass. Mine is as big as a Volvo.) He’s superb and if he doesn’t get a shot in the NFL, he’s going to be on the sideline coaching up a winning football team for many years to come.
Boise State found their rhythm and once they did, executed it. It wasn’t flashy. It was methodical. They never panicked. They lose some key members the day before the game and they didn’t miss a beat. Why? Because they’re well coached and these kids simply know what to do, every play.
Back to the undersized players for a second. We used to have a group of guys like that. They were called the “Junkyard Dawgs” and included a bunch of “runts” that no one wanted like Ben Zambiasi, Bill Krug, Johnny Henderson, Robert Miles and their brethren.
So much to say. These are the times that try men’s souls. And brain cells.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
by DavetheDawg on Sep 4, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I took a step towards the “Fire Richt” camp tonight for the first time. Our defense just gave up after the second half, our o-line couldn’t start for Utah State, and Mike Bobo continues to call HB dives on 3rd and 20. This team gets top recruits after top recruits and does nothing with them. Big changes are necessary for this team and I wish CMR would have made them this past off-season because I hate to see him go.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 4, 2011 3:11 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm in the same position
I’d like to say I think Richt can turn it around, but things are so out of hand now that I’m not sure anything but a fresh start will solve them.
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
Yeah, me three.
The thing about is this: Up until now there was always something that could be blamed—Martinez, Fabris, CMR being too casual, Damon Evans and his schedule and AD duties and whatnot, bad apples, Joe Cox at QB, the S & C program. Addressing these issues leaves fewer individuals to tag for what happens on the field.
As if entirely in support of that, we scheduled Boise at the Georgia Dome, who and which in particular has graciously provided us with even more objective controls in the search for the root of the problem:
—Boise is smaller, slower, and made of good players who are obviously not the same level of recruits that we get and have gotten
—The game is virtually at home in front of a huge crowd
—As the first game in the year with months to prepare, there is no injuries/road travel/fatigue/motivation factor that can cloud our assessment
It’s as if we were conducting an experiment and several important controls enabled us to finally make a sound hypothesis: When you get beaten that convincingly by a clearly slower, clearly smaller, clearly less physically strong team at home in the first game of the year with no injuries going in, you’ve been outcoached. Purely, objectively, without doubt outcoached. Outschematized, outwitted, outmaneuvered, and beaten to the punch by the other guy—AND BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN, because the other guy had objectively so much less to work with on several fronts.
It’s cold water on the face in the morning: Coach Richt and his staff are doing less with more— and that is the only possible hypothesis we can come at at long last.After changing so many other variables, it appears we have found the one most in need of change to end this nightmare…the coaching staff.
+amillion This absolutely sums it up, period.
I think, after 2-3 years, its time to come to the realization Mark Richt is in over his head. I love the guy, but I don’t know if he knows how to be an elite coach anymore.
We’ll see how the season plays out, but this ain’t a Sherlock Holmes short story folks. We all know exactly what’s gonna happen. We saw it last year.
I honestly don’t see much heart out on the field. Somebody asked in another thread “Just what have they been doing all summer?” and I wonder the same. You have to blame it on coaching. We all admire Richt for getting us back to the top of the SEC, but its time to realize he’s let us slip way, way down low.
But I don’t even know anymore. I’m still absolutely nowhere close to being over the Mississippi State loss last year, so I’m still stuck on that. Maybe in three years I can begin to process getting stomped by Boise in our home state.
In our last two games, we’ve given UCF their first Bowl win EVER and Boise their first win Vs. the SEC.
As Corey Smith said, I’ll be yelling “Go Dawgs” at the 50 yard line, but I’m not expecting CRAP from this program for the rest of the year, period.
And nice to get a chance to read yall folks, I’m being super-cheap and going with no internet so don’t have the chance to check in much lately.
by UgaBulldog14 on Sep 4, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he can still be an elite coach
just maybe not here. I would love to see him take over an acc school and win a few acc titles. He deserves it. But I said I wouldn’t make any judgements until week 2 and I’m gonna stick to that. So I’m not gonna think about any of this until next Sunday.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On the bright side...
and in the coaches defense, it’s obvious the Broncos tricked our coaches, and all summer long the O line was preparing to go up against 12 year old girls and when the most prolific d-line in college football showed up, they were naturally surprised. But if we go up against a girl scout troop we’ll detroy ’em. So we got that going for us. Which is nice.
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.
We can do that...
We don’t even have to have a reason. All right, let’s do the same thing, but with gophers.
Look Here
Auburn pretty much lost to Utah State, who not only is unranked, but they are waaaay unranked. Ole Miss lost to an unranked BYU. South Carolina almost lost to an unranked East Carolina. Georgia was behind by 7 points at half time to the 5th ranked Boise State Broncos.
It’s always so hard for the country to accept, but Boise State is one of the best teams in college football right now. They live to play on the big stage against top tier opponents, like Georgia. Georgia had a number of players either hurt or suspended for this game. Make no excuses for this loss. Most importantly, don’t make it any easier for Georgia to lose any more games by giving up now. This is when you really find out what you’re made of, as a fan and supporter of your team. Your team needs you now more than ever.
I can tell you this, every person cheering for Boise State tongiht, will be a Georgia fan for the rest of the season.
Georgia did make too many mistakes, but the mistakes that were made, I believe, are easily corrected. There is a lot of potential in this team. Crowell had to go up against one of the best D-Lines in the country his very first game of college football and he showed some flashes. Your front 7 defensively is actually better then I think they got credit for. Reporters are going to talk about how Moore didn’t get sacked…but Moore NEVER gets sacked against ANYONE. They did thouroughly shut down the middle running game.
Keep the positive things in mind, your season is far from over.
"#WINNING, Duh."
and now they get to walk on their WAC schedule, in the meantime UGA will play SC next week.
Sick of this argument. You won. You are good. But we got serious SEC things to face and BSU just played the biggest game of the year for them until bowls.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
What Argument?
I made no argument. I’m sick of listening to people like you talk down Boise State. Good luck to you with your “serious SEC things” to face.
"#WINNING, Duh."
You Know What, NVM
I just read through a bunch of of the other posts on this site and realized two things:
1)Not very many of you are handling this loss very well and 2)Typical ignorant, biased, one sided, unwilling to face the truth SEC homerism is alive and well here.
I imagine I’ll probably get banned for saying that. You guys have fun.
"#WINNING, Duh."
I apologize for that, PrfctSpcmn.
Please understand where we’re coming from, though: It doesn’t get easier from here, and Georgia didn’t look like a team that will fare any better against any of the other tough teams on the schedule. The Bulldogs clearly weren’t on a par with the No. 5 team in the country, but they didn’t play well enough to seem like they would have a shot against the No. 12 team in the country, either, and we play that team next week.
Please also understand that, in the moment, these things always appear very, very bleak. We recognize your need to have time to celebrate. Please recognize our need to have time to commiserate.
Go 'Dawgs!
You, sir...
are a breath of fresh air in the SEC blogosphere. I’m a University of Utah fan and alum. I stopped by to check out how Georgia fans were handling the loss. I expected to find what I usually see from other SEC fans online—I think you can surmise what I mean by that—and instead I find you, full of reasoned and thoughtful commentary. It seems at least one SEC school is articulate and reasonable. Perhaps I judged your conference too broadly. Very well done. Good luck this year.
...
In War: Resolution
In Defeat: Defiance
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will
Winston Churchill
I would add: In Defeat, humility when apropos. This is football. Not war.
Thanks for your post.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Actually...
this was found at the beginning of every book of Churchill’s The Second World War. Not sure if he actually wrote that or borrowed it…but whatevs…
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
I confess...
that even attempting to quote Churchill was something of which I believed SEC schools incapable. It seems I learned something today.
In my defense, however, my experience with the SEC is largely limited to: (1) inebriated Alabama fans; and (2) some less-than-spectacular graduates of Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, and LSU that I’ve encountered as opposing counsel. Perhaps I was wrong. But I will say this: I’m not entirely certain LSU should be allowed to have a law school.
An elitist Ute?
Really? “Counsel,” please allow me to direct you to Exhibit A, the U.S. News and World Reports review of good ole’ U of U. They rank as the #129 school nationally, well behind most of the SEC and five spots behind… LSU. Thanks for playing, chief.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
A well researched...
post to be sure. And I can’t refute it. The rankings are what they are, and there isn’t much to be done about it in the short term (although those of us on the alumni board are working to improve it in the long term). As for LSU, I was talking specifically about their law school. Which is outside the top tier and ranked 42 spots below the University of Utah. Nevertheless, I understand your point.
That said, my anti-SEC bias has not been based on rankings, but on what I’ve seen first hand. You will notice, however, that I acknowledged judging the SEC’s member institutions unfairly, and, more specifically, too broadly given my inadequate sampling of their intellectual wares.
Thank you for having me, sport.
No problem, champ.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
lulz
This could go on all day. I’ll let you have the last word…but NEVER call a Bama man a tiger. That’s getting close to a racial slur.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
So bitter
he was trying to point out, you guys did have some positives tonight. The dawgs did shut down our rushing game, especially up the middle. That rushing game is usually good for a couple of hundred yards a game- and your guys in the middle really stuffed it. I was worried about that game all the way til about the 4 minutes left mark.
I thought Isiah Crowley looked pretty good after a slow start , you can see the kid has skills, and boykin looked good. Your QB didn’t look bad, but it is hard to put up good stats when your receivers are dropping the ball and murray was on his heels so often, either getting sacked or getting pressured it is hard to look good.
I really didn’t see South Carolina smoking anyone, I have a good feeling you guys come back after this one with some new fire in your guts and take it to the gamecocks. Why hang your heads low for losing to what will probably be the #4 team in the country this next week. It’s not like you lost to BYU, or the USF, if y’all learn from this game, you can come back and have a great season. You have the athletes…put them to work.
Every game is the season for the Broncos, we aren’t allowed to lose once, heck we have to have “style points” or we go down in the standings, we went down in the standings last year even when we beat a team by 40. That is pressure, every game is your season, no room for second time around, on the other hand, your team can even lose another game and still make it to a BCS bowl, every game is the game of the year to BSU, that is why they show up every week, they can’t afford to let up even for a second. Why be pissed off at BSU about our schedule that is really totally out of our control.
Best of luck the rest of the year, it was just one game against a good team, even if most SEC fans don’t want to admit it, I can see you guys coming back and kicking butt. I know history doesn’t matter, but if you look, the teams we beat to start the year for the last 2 years have went on to win their conferences, and play in and win their perspective BCS bowls. Dawgs can do the same- I believe.
There is no way I dont respect this post. Thanks for understanding we have an SEC slate to go face now after a big loss.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
I don't it's that people don't think BSU is good.
BSU is clearly good and deserving of their ranking. The issue is US and how we played. We play teams as good oas BSU all the time and we’re not getting any better at it. 1-8 in the last nine games vs Top 25 teams, that’s what we’re bothered by. (At least me, anyway.)
Solid post...
The problem: we JUST lost.
Around Wednesday, the positives and reality will likely surface to the top of the quagmire us Dawg fans like find ourselves.
Boise State, as Kyle states in his post, is the better team. Boise State, even in the SEC, and especially the SEC East, could WIN any conference. The fact your remaining schedule is weak is not a reflection of your team. Your team is awesome.
That said, most of the posts your are reading are coming from fans who were tired, drunk, pissed-off, and, likely, a combination of all three. We’ve seen this script before—Lord knows, unfortunately, everyone, including opposing coaches, have seen this script in the last few UGA squads. We didn’t look good last night, and, sadly, we haven’t looked good in a while.
For some, including me, it was a game where the reality of Mark Richt’s limited time at UGA became apparent. While we will disagree about replacements and reasons for the impending departure, the reality is that Richt won’t be here much longer. I blame the stagnant slow-to-change nature of the team (e.g. Bobo STILL predictably calling plays, or, calling plays at all). The same issues from last year and the year before and the year before, etc. were present last night. But who cares? The reasons and explanations are irrelevant if the end result means Richt leaving Athens permanently. This saddens me for I like Richt.
That’s why we’re being negative nancies. Please don’t take it personally. The mere fact a Boise State fan is posting on our site, regardless of the insight and goodwill that may follow, is enough to irk many of the fans mentioned above. Imagine if Nevada fans posted on your site after you lost to them last season. (They may have…all five of them…I kid; I kid…And yes, instead of making fun of BSU, I will now make fun of Coach Fox’s previous school, at least until we lose to them, too.)
But I LOVE my Dawgs. I will continue to support them, and I look forward to my first season as a season-ticket holder (finally!). I’ll be screaming my head off in Athens next week, at what is TBD.
Congrats to Boise State, and good luck with your season. I am officially a convert and will be rooting for your inclusion in the big game.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
by Jman781 on Sep 4, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, papaspud. You have no idea how much I appreciate that.
Again, please understand the source of our frustration. It is not with Georgia’s inability to beat Boise State; the Broncos are very, very good, and have been for a long time, and plenty of quality clubs have lost to BSU. The issue is that the Bulldogs looked unprepared, failed to adjust, stuck with what wasn’t working (throwing to Tavarres King, throwing long bombs) rather than sticking with what was (finding ways to get the ball to playmakers in space), and committed penalties.
These things did not cost Georgia the game. Boise State was much the better team last night—-the 35-21 final score makes the game look far closer than it actually was—-and even a Georgia team that played well would not have won this game. The Bulldogs, however, did not even give BSU a game, which differentiates this Georgia team from the 2009 Oregon squad and the 2010 Virginia Tech outfit. We knew the problems, had a whole offseason to correct them, and didn’t. What are the odds that we’ll correct them in the next six days?
Boise State is the No. 5 team in the country, and legitimately so. Georgia could have played like the No. 19 team in the country, and still lost, yet given Bulldog fans hope that they would be able to upset the No. 12 team in the country. That didn’t happen; Georgia didn’t look like the No. 19 team in the country, or maybe even the No. 119 team in the country, and that is what is frustrating, and ominous.
That in no way undermines the caliber of the Boise State coaches and players, or the quality of their coaching and play. It simply reveals how uncompetitive the Bulldogs have become, and, though it arguably gets easier from here, it doesn’t get easier enough, because the Georgia team I saw in the Dome last night won’t beat half the teams on the schedule playing like that.
Go 'Dawgs!
I'd have more confidence against South Carolina
if I didn’t see a lot of the same problems last night that led to us losing to South Carolina (and Colorado, etc) last year.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Precisely.
We could have lost this game in a way that at least allowed us to feel reasonably good about the rest of the season. We could have lost this game in a way that at least allowed us to say, “Well, we’re not as good as the No. 5 team in the country, but I’ll take our chances against the No. 12 team in the country!”
We didn’t do that, which is why there are now two games left on the schedule that I am confident Georgia will win. No, I’m not predicting a 2-10 season; I’m simply saying that Coastal Carolina and New Mexico State are the only remaining teams on the schedule I’m prepared unequivocally to say this team can beat.
By the way, Mr. Sanchez, I appreciate the measured tone of this comment. We’re at different places along the same journey, and, while I ordinarily enjoy our spirited back and forth, I am grateful to you for realizing, and respecting, where I am in this. Like Leo McGarry said in the second season opener of “The West Wing,” “Don’t mess with us tonight.” I thank you for commenting in a manner that acknowledged my presence in a similar place.
Go 'Dawgs!
You're welcome
and I guess my bipolarness still kind of rings. As angry and resigned to defeat as I seem to be over the last year or so, Boise St really did have a pretty strong front 4. And Moore took some shots but kept slinging. The green notebook playcalling still bothers me a ton, but I’ve still got some homer in me willing to admit that maybe, just maybe, next week can be better. Boise is really good. Of course they couldn’t do what they do in the WAC or Mountain West if they were in the SEC, but they’ve got a very strong program going and a team that is deep, talented, and as competitive as any in the country right now.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
One other thing...
We’re at different places along the same journey
Could this be a foreshadowing of a future conversation re: another futball topic? In due time.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
If you're referring to soccer, no.
I’ve been through many coaching changes in many sports, but my loyalty to the West in the Cold War remains steadfast. :)
Go 'Dawgs!
We appreciate it, PrfctSpcmn, and please note that no excuses are being made.
I gave the Broncos their due before and after the game. You won’t find an SEC partisan who has been a bigger Boise State defender than me. Search the site archives here, and you will see that this is true.
To repeat, Boise State would have won, and would have deserved to have won, this game, even if Georgia had played like the No. 19 team in the country. The problem, from our perspective, isn’t that Boise State played so well—-Boise State always does that—-it is that Georgia wasn’t even good enough to give Boise State a game. The problem is that, although you are right that “the mistakes that were made . . . are easily corrected,” those mistakes have been made constantly since 2008.
We are not giving up on our team, and we will cheer for the ‘Dawgs every Saturday for the rest of the season, and beyond, but the reality of our situation is becoming clear, and one reality is that this season is, in fact, done, just as the Bulldogs’ season was done with the loss to South Carolina in 2000. Boise State was proven last night to be the team we believed the Broncos to be, but Georgia was exposed as a complete fraud.
I would wish Boise State good luck the rest of the way, but the Broncos will not need luck. They have preparation, adjustments, effort, and heart, which have won, and will continue to win, them many games. I will, however, say, “Go Broncos.” As with last year’s Georgia loss to Mississippi State, though, the fact that the team to which Georgia lost proved to be so good doesn’t change the fact that, against that squad, Georgia was so very, very bad in so many, many ways.
Go 'Dawgs!
perfectly put
Painfully too I’m sure
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My bar is replaying the game!
I just bet the bartender we win this time! So far so good…we’re up 7-0.
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
by Inteljumper on Sep 4, 2011 4:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Somehow it's the 3rd qtr already.
And we’re down 14-7. Not looking good. Plus, there are some annoying BSU and Sooner fans here. Where’d I put that P-T-R banhammer?
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
by Inteljumper on Sep 4, 2011 4:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And there you have it...35-21. We lost again.
Seemed strangely familiar. In the hours since the first game, I’ve read where CMR was pleased with how the seniors responded (I apologize for no hyperlinks—blackberry), how there was work to be done. CMR acknowledged the next opponent was big and they had to be ready for them. An emphasis on conditioning and fundamentals like blocking had to be at the top. I felt so…excited about this rematch, this new game. And yet, there was the same result. Why do I feel like I’ve been through this song and dance before?
(Sorry for the semi thread-inside-a-thread, it kinda evolved rewatching this game.)
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
by Inteljumper on Sep 4, 2011 5:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had the same feeling
Watching the game, seeing the players so obviously checked-out on the sidelines late, and watching whatever good plays there were that felt squandered (again) (and again) (and again) in a losing effort, this definitely had the “beginning of the end” feel you’re talking about. And it had that in ways I don’t think have really been as substantive as in the past.
At some point, getting set up to fail creates its own “cancer” in the locker room. The persistence of problems that have been in the DNA of this program for years remain, and whatever issues the folks at the top think they had addressed weren’t actually the issues everyone else was seeing. And this is not a “here is a problem” and “here is the solution” type fix, this feels more like a vast misunderstanding of the problem on a conceptual level. And that doesn’t seem to be something you can fix during a season.
by Cousin Pat from Georgia on Sep 4, 2011 4:13 AM EDT reply actions
or, apparently, and entire OFF season...
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein
I would also like to thank,
your Mr. T Kyle King for being a gracious host here. Your articles were all well written, and informative. It has been fun blogging here, yea I know it is a lot easier being a gracious winner, and the dawg fans that have posted over on OBNUG have represented your fan base well.
Hope we meet again in January…..
Much obliged, papaspud.
I know both sides have encountered a few bad apples from the opposing fan base, but we all have our yahoos. On the whole, though, I have enjoyed our interaction, and I am a big fan of Kevan and his work at OBNUG. I wish you and your fine football team every success. As a fan base, as a football team, and as a coaching staff, you all deserve good things to happen for you. Go Broncos.
Go 'Dawgs!
As a Tech fan you may not be interested in this
but I have to say this. Get rid of those uniforms. Shred them. Burn them. Trash them. No, I am not suggesting that those uniforms were the reason for your loss; I am just saying that your team needs no more distractions from the serious focus they are going to need going forward. This team will do better with some continuity -playing in a familiar stadium next time, wearing the traditional regalia, getting rid of the bad karma from an ill conceived adventure in a strange stadium filled with Halloween costumes.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 4, 2011 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
Burning the uniforms is not enough. They need to be loaded onto a rocket and blasted directly into the sun.
by JoeDawg15 on Sep 4, 2011 7:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
This...
So this.
The uniforms in person, even from my perch in Section 337, were atrocious. Actually atrocious isn’t even the word. The word for how ugly we looked (aesthetically) does not yet exist in the English language.
I will now create it: we looked a-bobo-minable. (If it appears I’m beating a dead horse by creating a pun surrounding an apparent dislike of Coach Bobo, you’d be wrong, for there are no dead horses after last night; they are all galloping happily back to the west.)
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
That is an excellent point, Atlanta's original team.
I said something similar to College Buddy on the drive home. If this game provides any silver lining for the men who ordinarily wear silver britches, it is that, between the 2008 Alabama blackout, the 2009 “Grambling” Cocktail Party, and the 2011 Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game, we surely are done with uniform gimmicks for the foreseeable future.
By the way, I appreciate the measured and reasonable comment from a Georgia Tech fan. You could’ve rubbed it in, but didn’t. Don’t think that went unnoticed, or unappreciated. You’re a class act, Atlanta’s original team. Much obliged.
Go 'Dawgs!
I don't know....
If this game provides any silver lining for the men who ordinarily wear silver britches, it is that, between the 2008 Alabama blackout, the 2009 "Grambling" Cocktail Party, and the 2011 Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game, we surely are done with uniform gimmicks for the foreseeable future.
I said the exact same thing after the Grambling game. I didn’t think we could be any more emasculated as a program than that moment, but I think we figured out how. I suppose we could even top this one by losing to Tech in pink poodle skirts in November.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why
people keep talking like these are our new permanent uniforms. According to the AJC they were a one off Nike promotion that was specifically just for this game and not because of some motivational gimmick. We will be playing in more traditional uniforms for the remainder of the season (supposedly).
by AcworthDawg on Sep 4, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
2 for 5 in gimmick unis under CMR.
I wish the student athletes cared more about their school, team, position and winning than a “cool uniform”.
And as much as I like the things Greg McGarity is doing, I hope to G*d he has learned his lesson about letting Nike and ESPN be his boss.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by chuckdawg on Sep 4, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boise State and VPI did the same thing last year
and looked like a couple of teams from the remake of Rollerball.
It was always my understanding that these were just for this game. Boise lucked out in that theirs were white. The design was just as hideous, but it wasn’t as obvious.
For a few years Tech has been wearing ugly uniforms designed by (and, I assume, paid for by) Russell. I miss having normal football uniforms, but the kids seem to like them, and they are free.
This year they aren’t as ugly, with the navy toned down a lot. They also designed them so that both our how and away uniforms have mostly white jerseys, which I appreciate.
Since you mentioned it, CraigT, . . .
. . . I’m curious about the uniforms Western Carolina (I believe that is the team the Yellow Jackets played on Thursday night, but pardon me if, in my present state, I misidentified the opponent) was wearing against Georgia Tech. The Catamounts’ outfits seemed to look a lot like the Engineers’, only with the dark version of the jersey rather than the traditional home white jerseys Georgia Tech prefers. My focus was on the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game, so I didn’t read much on any other teams’ games, which means I may have missed an explanation, but is there a reason why Western Carolina seemed to be wearing Georgia Tech-inspired uniforms, or was it purely coincidental?
Go 'Dawgs!
I think they are both from Russell Athletic (designed and manufactured)
(which is in Alabama, not Oregon). I can’t find the picture now, but a few months ago I saw our home, away, and a third home/dark jersey. Ours look a bit better than that this year.
They do look similar, but I don’t think we’ll be wearing dark blue jerseys at all this year. I hope not, anyway (although that’s better than black).
Since you mentioned it, T Kyle
I would say that I have yet to meet a Tech fan who actually likes the uniforms we have been using since Russell got the contract. On most blog polls there are at least 2 or 3 other vintage uniforms that come out ahead of the current ones. Much I could say (and have on FTRS) but the gist of it is that many of the “newer” uniforms that teams are going to are not cool they are “cold,” meaning they lack soul, tradition or even visual imagination. And worst of all, as you noticed even from casual observation, there is often a sameness about the uniforms that sometimes makes teams look like they are wearing different versions of the same uniform.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 5, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate the Pro Combat uniforms with a passion...
but I’m almost of the opinion that we should keep wearing them this season. If we’re going to play like clowns, we might as well look like them, and we won’t have the memory of having to watch this team embarrass us in the traditional UGA uniforms.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it would serve nike right, but we'd all go blind
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mayor, I must say...
Reading this post made me as sad as I could possibly be. Not because it is different from others that have been and will be written, because it’s not. In fact, it doesn’t even bother me that I’ll read far more like it than those that take a different view.
It saddens me because we spoke at length about Richt, his hot seat, and the team on the podcast last season, and now, you sound like them.
And what makes it worse, you’re exactly right.
Go Dawgs.
"60% of the time, it works every time."
by Ludakit on Sep 4, 2011 7:30 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Toying with your emotions; it's what I do.
In my defense, it’s what my football program does to me, so I’m just paying it forward. :)
This week’s podcast is going to be cathartic. That, or a slow-motion suicide hotline.
Go 'Dawgs!
I'm still up in the air...
About whether or not this week’s episode will need an “explicit” tag. I’m not sure how I feel about any of what I saw yesterday.
I feel like the part of my brain that takes care of football related matters has been soaked in Novocain.
"60% of the time, it works every time."
by Ludakit on Sep 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree.
At this point, I’m numb. I think this week’s podcast is less likely to require an “explicit” tag than a “do not operate heavy machinery while listening” label.
Go 'Dawgs!
Better in the morning?
I have often heard that expression, “You will feel better in the morning”. Not really…..I was not fuming last night and I am not walking dejected this am. Just..blah..same ole same ole really. I had hoped for more, and had hoped that CMR’s “I feel like a new coach” speak would equate to something more on the field. He looked like the same emotionless calm and controlled guy as before. I like the idea that CMR’s character is part of his reputation and that he is not some polarizing buffoon like a Jerry Glanville, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him throw a clipboard or get in somebody’s face now and then.
At least the unis may get us more recruits.
2 years to the Cup
Again, I am a Tech fan butting in here so you are well within your rights to tell me where to head but . . . you guys get more than enough good recruits to be able to win consistently. Most Tech fans would kill to get the kind of material you guys stack up year after year.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 4, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not give Atlanta's original team a hard time.
He’s a rival fan who’s coming over here and conducting himself with class when he’d be within his rights to give us a hard time, so let’s not take out on him frustrations we all feel that are neither with him nor with his team.
Go 'Dawgs!
Sorry
But this is more from the stuff he says over at FTRS, not what he said here.
elfcrash is hyper sensitive
and doesn’t understand the difference between being a rival and being uncivil. He knows full well from what I have said before that Tech and Georgia generally recruit different players from each other. There are notable exceptions to the rule but for the most part the two schools have entirely different mission statements. That is a different observation from talking about pure athletic ability. When it comes to athletes Georgia has out recruited Tech for years.
And yes, this is my bias. Tech gets more out of its players most years than Georgia does out of its players. If you have a top ten recruiting class and Tech barely makes the top 50 and you only beat Tech by a touchdown with that class then somewhere along the way someone underachieved.
I am not trying to be argumentative nor am I trying to rub salt in the wound. I am just being a fan. :-)
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 4, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dogs and Broncos
“They are who we thought they were, "……..we never came close to having them on the hook though.
by AthensHomerDawg3 on Sep 4, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
I honestly can't remember a time when I was more disappointed in the team
Where was all this fire and improvement we’ve been hearing about? The master plan after 9 months of preparations was to run a hurry up shotgun offense for most of the game? Why the hell was Samuell still carrying the ball (out of the same play, no less) when he was averaging 1.2 yards a carry? Why do our guys still look like little sticks with all this awesome S&C that is supposedly going on?
This team was absolutely no different than the team that lost to UCF last fall. The same stupid coaching is going on, the same mental mistakes on the field, the same inability to live up to potential. I didn’t expect to win this game, but I at least expected to make it difficult for Boise. I figured with all this time and supposed motivation our team had, we would at least come out and make them earn it. But we didn’t, we laid a big fat egg. It was just awful. I too took a big step toward the fire Mark Richt camp last night (and this is the first time I’ve ever considered that), if only because I’m tired of seeing all the same gimmicks and mistakes that have become the norm the past 3 years.
Would like to see how the game looked on TV but don't have the heart to watch
Could y’all see Murray looking to sidelines repeatedly for the play? What was up with that? I was sitting in the Boise end zone next to the student section. I think if Mike Bobo had come up in the stands where we were he would have been ripped to shreds.
The Boise fans were polite, gracious and complimentary of the Dawgs. The Georgia fans, not so complimentary of the Dawgs.
I thought Mitchell was a bright spot on offense. I didn’t have a program, had a hard time reading the ridiculous numbers and am not sure who all the new players were. Did they have Georgia on the backs of their jerseys because they were too embarrassed to use their own names?
It was so sad.
I'd love to hear more about this too, hbtd
It definitely did not look like Murray was being treated as a player who has a deep understanding of the offense and can make his own adjustments at the line. Instead, they were all rising up out of their stance and looking at the sideline with 12 seconds on the playclock. Perhaps it was a function of Bobo being up in the booth again: he was seeing things he thought we could exploit and ended up over-tinkering. I don’t know….
I do know I spent the first half on here defending the team’s play (including Bobo) as well as I could, but “second half adjustments” were my last possible refuge, and it was washed away quickly.
It's because they were trying an "up-tempo no huddle" kind of thing
The team would line up on the ball quickly in a certain formation, and then get the specific play signalled in from the sideline. At least, that’s my interpretation of what was happening. Maybe they were all checking out the cheerleaders.
Did you notice the difference between our no-huddle and their no-huddle?
Our no-huddle involves players walking to spots tentatively, checking to the sidelines for the play, changing the play at the line, more walking and shifting, and snapping the ball with 2 seconds on the play-clock.
THEIR no-huddle involves getting up to the line, getting set, and snapping the ball before the defense can get set.
OUR no-huddle is the “we probably should have a huddle because we’re not gaining an advantage” kind. The “we’re just doing this because it looks cool” kind. The “we can tell recruits we run a no-huddle” kind. Some folks call it a kaiser blade kind, I call it the BS blade kind…
i am not going to laugh.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
At the moment, or ever?
If you feel the way I feel right now (and I know you do), that’s a legitimate question.
Go 'Dawgs!
How many people know UGA had the nation's best majorette and 2nd in the world? Just me.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
great comments guys
I’m not a Dawg alum, but a fan. I love CMR, so much so I wish he had before now either replaced CMB, or resigned to begin the next better chapter of his life. Sadly, like many others, he will instead either belatedly resign or have to be removed effective at the end of this season.
I will wish him well wherever he goes, and do so happy that the people of this state got to be blessed by his presence.
I hope he announces soon that he’s stepping down at the end of the year, so he (and we all) can be spared some of the nastiness that is otherwise to come.
This group of young men and old boys needs new leadership all around. Last night proved that to me beyond a doubt.
FYI – Boise has a helluva fine football team.
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Most Depressing Loss in Ages...
The slow cloud of dread started for me on the opening play. We won the coin toss. That meant we wanted to establish the offense on the first drive. What did we do? Two false starts and a three and out.
Okay! It’s just nerves right? Next possession? Three and out again. We’ve seen this before. The team didn’t look prepared. It’s been a growing cancer for four seasons.
Twitter:ChopAttack
and an illegal formation i think.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
the punt penalty was a delay of game
Boise was setting up for a block attempt, and as our upbacks were trying to point out rushers and get set to block them, the clock expired.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Right. And on the other side of the ball,
virtually no mistakes. Certainly not of the false start in the red zone or the missed assignment on the DE on 4th & 1 kind.
The only fairly costly mistake they made in the first three quarters was the INT in the red zone, and that was actually a mistake that turned into a good play on our part or some defensive trickeration that actually worked.
Out Of The Woodwork
Long time reader, first time commenting.
First, I’d like to thank Kyle for doing a great job with this site. It has been in my rotation of daily football sites for a long time now, and it’s nice to see a rational fan who truly understands the tradition involved with Georgia football.
I’ll try to make this concise, but like most Dawg fans today, I just have so much to complain about. As it has been mentioned by Kyle and other followers on this blog, “Same as it ever was”.
It started with the recruitment of “The Dream Team”. There was a new S&C coach whipping our players into shape. The defense was truly understanding and learning the 3-4 in its second year. The young talent at WR was stepping in and giving Richt a ton of offensive options….
And then Richt’s team performs as if this game was the week following the Liberty Bowl. Where was this new fire I keep hearing about every preseason? Why were the strengths (speed and size) not utilized at the key positions? And once again, why was there absolutely ZERO adjustment made at halftime?
All of these questions come back to preparation/coaching. Not only did this team get their butts spanked by a better Boise squad, but the demeanor of the players spoke volumes. Boise looked confident, calm, and poised…The Georgia team looked weak, panicky, and frazzled, which is apparently the state of the entire football program these days.
We recruit too much talent to accept this from CMR. This game was supposed to be a stepping stone that began our ascent back to this program’s glory. We were not supposed to win, but signs of improvement and changes in demeanor and coaching were going to give fans hope of the changes to come. All this game proved was that apparently, the worst is yet to come.
I went ahead and looked at the past 3 years of recruiting class rankings. UGA had three top 5 classes out of the last four years, while Boise never ranked better than the mid 60s in talent. That says incredible things about Boise’s program and coaching…But flip it onto Georgia, and it is downright embarrassing.
For as much luck Les Miles has received following terrible in game decisions and clock management, at least he knows how to win on a consistent basis with top tier talent. Georgia has regressed as a football program not only recruiting the same caliber of talent as LSU, but the program has been underperforming at such a length that the entire football team, coaches, and fanbase are mentally beaten down.
It took me a long time to realize this fact, but last night’s game proved in my mind that this football program will not right the ship until CMR is gone. In any other conference, CMR would thrive as a head coach, but with this new era of cuthroat SEC play (and possible super conferences aligning), he is simply not the man for the job. Let the Kirby Smart era begin
by Raleigh_St_Claire on Sep 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
To be fair
that’s what senior leadership does. Boise is a team laden with seniors—5th year seniors, even, and seniors who have had 3-4 years of playing experience. And with Kellen Moore at quarterback, it’s like having a coach in the huddle. As good as Murray is, there’s a big difference between the raw talent of a sophomore and the proven experience of a QB who will end his career (barring something catastrophic happening) as the winningest QB in college football history.
Smurfing your turf
I'm not diminishing
Boise’s team at all. I think they could compete with anyone in the nation this year.
My point was calling out the Georgia coaching, which should have understood that we were a younger, more inexperienced team. I don’t care how many seniors are on a Boise St team, it’s a testament to how far this program has fallen when Georgia linemen are being muscled around by players 30 lbs lighter. The more emotion and fire came from the guys in all white, and the former power from the mighty SEC looked like a team that consistently plays in, say the Mountain West.
Aside from the improved tackling, there was hardly anything else that could have been taken as a positive from last night’s performance. That is the state of a Richt coached team right now, and I don’t see where it actually begins to improve if not after an entire offseason to work on those many faults. I don’t see us suddenly improving against the likes of MSU, SC, and UF. In fact, I see us getting beat by most any team that has less talent but is coached well (MSU). I wish there was some type of silver lining from last night, but I just don’t see it.
by Raleigh_St_Claire on Sep 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Poise
I was just referring to your comment about how Georgia’s players looked frazzled.
But ProlateSpheroidFan does make a good point that Kellen Moore played like that even as a freshman.
Smurfing your turf
Thanks, Egnowit.
By the way, when I saw your subject line, I initially pronounced it in my head as “poy-zee.” Such is the impression the Broncos have left upon me. :)
Go 'Dawgs!
but Kyle, it is "Boy Cee"
Not Boy Zee
If it’d come up, one of their fans coulda taught you that, too.
(Just a been there thing. Like hearing easterners say the first a in Nevada like ah instead of how locals say it, like the a in add.)
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PSF,
I respectfully and as nicely as possible recommend that BSU fans begin thinking more like the national stage belonger instead of the national stage crasher.
You’re not underdogs. Don’t act like one.
Whoops...
Sorry for mistaking you for a Smurf fan, PSF. !
i will admit to thinking that post Dan Hawkins
They’ve probably been one of the top five coached teams in the country – year in and year out
And any cfb fan can admire that
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very true, . . .
. . . both as to the quality of the coaching, and as to the respect that deserves.
Go 'Dawgs!
sorry - i'm not a BSU guy - just been all over
And actually dated a native of Boise who taught me how to pronounce it
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I learned by visiting
as well as Nevada, and Pierre (South Dakota) and Kearney (Nebraska). Miami (Oklahoma) is a good one, too, as is Louisville (Kentucky).
Yeah, never could figure those Dakotans with "Peer" - duh! - but it's their part of our lovely country
A few in Georgia that threw me when I moved here (I’m sure there are more I can remember or that locals haven’t corrected me on, to their no-doubt great amusement):
Cairo
Houston County
And of course, in the ATL, Ponce deLeon
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that said...
I wish they would stop acting like they’re all insulted and overlooked all the time and act the part they say they want to play. Enough faux-insulted already.
i was gonna look that one up b4 i guessed it - so yeah
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was gonna look that one up b4 i guessed it - so yeah
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes - but
Kellen Moore has played like that all four years, and the rest of Boise’s team also is so well coached, and has been since Peterson took over. He and his staff are supremely productive. CMR and his staff are – sadly but surely – collectively not, and appear not to have it in them to be so.
Imagine what Peterson and his staff could do with SEC talent. Scary, huh?
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And let's look at the second half
It’s very clear who outcoached who.
by UgaBulldog14 on Sep 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
"Who outcoached whom."
Sorry . . . now that we’re strictly a barbecue-and-proper-English blog, I couldn’t resist! :)
Go 'Dawgs!
Thanks for commenting, Raleigh_St_Claire.
I wish I could find fault with your position, but I really can’t. This is the most deflating loss we’ve endured in quite a while, which is saying something, because there have been an awful lot of them lately.
I am grateful to you for coming out of the shadows and joining the conversation, though.
Go 'Dawgs!
Maybe Muschamp will change his mind?
Derek Dooley? Jim Tressel? Tommy Bowden?
Meanwhile I have to hit ESPN's front page and see Les Miles cheesing like a goofball
The college football gods hate me.
by UgaBulldog14 on Sep 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Did he eat any JerryWorld fake grass?
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Muschamp is a Florida guy, and you don't leave one school . . .
. . . for a division rival after one year.
Jim Tressel is toxic. To use an SAT analogy, “Tommy Bowden : Mark Richt :: Fredo Corleone : Tom Hagen,” with Bobby Bowden as the Godfather.
I think it’s Kirby Smart. He strongly considered making a lateral move; he’d take the head coaching job in a second, and he comes from the Nick Saban coaching tree.
Go 'Dawgs!
Jeff is Fredo
Either way, I’ll keep Richt over any of the Bowden brothers, thank you very much. And Muschamp is as dead to me as Pat Dye. It didn’t have to be that way, but he ran his mouth too much. Not that he’d come anyway.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just so somebody doesn't chime in and say, "We're all Fredo"
I mean, look at the guy!
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
AND Kirby Smart
Could be expected to recruit well regionally every year, and attract great assistant coaches (way better than CMB)
AND would likely not see the Dawg job as a stepping stone, but a career calling
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we're making a hypothetical list...
with the caveat that Richt definitely has plenty of time to right the ship and the season, hopefully similar to Virginia Tech last year with a horrible start capped by a conference title finish. But if things stay as bad as they seem they might, I’d cull down from an oversized list including Urban Meyer, Dan Mullen, Charlie Strong, Kirby Smart, Chris Peterson, Gary Patterson, Al Golden, Rich Rodriguez, Chris Ault, among several others. I’m trying to be comprehensive.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Please Lord
Not RichRod, I can’t stand that guy.
Trust me, there's a couple of guys I mentioned I wouldn't want...
but you’d be remiss if you didn’t at least give him a look. He’s been extremely successful before, has an innovative offense, etc. Now, it’s hard to say that offense would work in the SEC just because it dominated the ACC and Big East. But just cause it didn’t work at Michigan doesn’t mean it couldn’t work in the SEC. He was obviously a bad fit there, but again, you’d be doing yourself a disservice not to at least consider him.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Good point
Agree that even though we might not want him, all options should be explored.
If he could bring in a strong DC
and not that 3-3-5 mess he’s fooled with at West Va and Michigan, I’d be a lot more open to him. He’s got some pluses and minuses just like every other candidate. It’s all about fit. Richt was a great fit here, that’s what it’s so sad to see it go so far down so quickly.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
someone should dust off a few threads from elsewhere in the interwebs about MrsRichRod
and her (presumably mostly) fictional trip to Tuscaloosa to check the place out when RichRod was being courted for the job. That’d be sure to put an end to folks wanting to bring her and the hubby to Athens (at least among some of the Dawg fanbase)
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
noting that your list is comprehensive
I see Meyer waiting for Ohio State. If he wanted to coach in the sec east and health wasn’t an issue, he would’ve stayed at Fla. And I don’t see rodriguez as an upgrade. Chris Ault is too old and even though I enjoy the pistol, I don’t think it would be looked favorably upon. I don’t think Chris Petersen would leave to come south. He’s got a pac 12 job waiting when he wants it. Gary Patterson is gonna be in a conference in which he can easily get to a bcs game. Al Golden doesn’t blow my skirt up. That brings it to three of your choices for me.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Petersen (got it right this time, Kyle) is not a realistic possibility
For two principal reasons:
1) He has a kid with special needs and the Boise-area network of family, friends, providers is too good to imagine leaving for any unknown, however great it might seem on paper, and
2) He (again, I think this is right but I don’t know for sure) is reportedly a Scientologist, and that wouldn’t work for him anywhere in the Southeast – SEC or ACC.
Could any BSU lurkers kindly confirm/correct?
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
he’s not a Scientologist.
However, he and his family (including the son you refer to) are well-established and happy in Boise. I’ve heard that his kid’s doctor has gone back to Eugene or something, so there’s a chance he might go to Oregon, but I don’t know that that position will be vacant any time soon.
Smurfing your turf
thanks Egnowit - the ties that bind, bind him to the Pacific NW
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I think the scientology thing comes from the fact that there’s a Chris PeterSON that’s a prominent scientologist. Or at least that’s what read at one point.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PETERSEN NOT A SCIENTOLOGIST - sorry to have even guessed it - even sorrier to have put even the guess of it in print
Did some digging – all over the web.
This post concerning someone in Boise:
From IdahoTiger: "Peterson is not a scientologist you retards. Do you believe everything that pops up on a message board? He goes to a non denominational christian church down the road from me.
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So - he's bound to the Pacific NW by family, friends, and the doc in Oregon
cross him off the Dawgs’ wishlist (after asking him, of course!)
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Would I be banned
if I said that I’m in favor of hiring the “Corch”
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Sep 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he our Mullen might be my first choice...
my biggest issue with Meyer would be who is on his staff. It’s not like he can get back the promoted lieutenants Strong and Mullen, and would he be as successful without them?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
my hemlock didn't work.
I’m still here.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Yea, it would be tough to build a staff that he was familiar with.
Not only are his coordinators head coaches, but even his position coaches are top guys now. I doubt Addazio would leave Temple to become Georgia’s OC.
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Sep 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
nor would many want addazio - mullen's what made that offense work
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If we are being comprensive
might as well add Mike Leach. He could sail around Lake Oconee on off days.
/4serious: Charlie Strong.
There are a lot of fans of the school in Lexington
who are dying to get Leach to return.
Thursday’s squeaker against the Hilltoppers only made them louder and more numerous.
I said "several others" didn't I?
mainly cause I knew I’d forget some, but I can’t believe one of those some is the Dred Pirate considering I’ve been a huge fan of his ever since reading how he went to law school but decided to say eff it after graduating and moved to Scandanavia to begin his coaching career.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
From 2008 through last night
Georgia is
2 – 11 vs. ranked teams,
10 – 14 against winning teams and
13 – 11 vs. the SEC.
0 – 5 against SEC division winners
In those games against eventual division winners (Florida and Alabama in 08, Florida in 09, and South Carolina and Auburn in 2010) we have been outscored 197 – 94 or an average of 39 – 19 per game.
/sigh
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Sep 4, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
/OUCH, you mean
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BUT (perspective here), Kyle
It doesn’t have to stay that way.
In business, we’ve learned that to stand still is to be passed by.
The same applies in Dawgness. The ol’ Dawgs just need to learn some new tricks (and never stop learning new ones).
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Slight disagreement,
It is true to stand still is to be passed by, but also forgetting or moving from your core competency is sure failure. That is what UGA has done. We can go to gimmicky new offensive schemes, don pretty red dresses, but until we utilize the talent we have, game plan and scheme around that, we’re going to be what we are right now—a one-paddle-in-the-water-rower. Going.in.circles.
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
by Inteljumper on Sep 4, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kellen Moore was just too much. The Dawgs defended the running game very well, but our pass defense failed. He only made one mistake, and that mistake got erased by Aaron Murray’s mistake.
Our offense failed early. Murray should be able to pass to wide receivers, and not just to tight ends. He had more completions to Orson Charles than Wooten, King, and Mitchell combined.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
That was more
Crowell’s mistake than Murray. Whiffed on his block and Murray released too soon…not that I believe that play was open anyway because when in doubt BOMB!
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Another thing Murray needs to realize, and should have known in the game, is that he can’t hold on to the ball forever. He knows that the Boise State defense had the most sacks in the nation last year, and despite the weight difference in favor of UGA’s O-Line, Murray took too long to throw sometimes, and when he was lucky enough to get away, he just tries to run for the LOS.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Agree...
his internal clock was not working very well, especially when his protection broke down. We all know he’s better at that than what he showed. I wonder if his declaration that he would try not to run so much this season was taken a bit too far.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
He’s gotten a little greedy lately, and it’s bit him back.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
its was 3rd and 3 and we ran a long developing fly pattern with a freshman blocker.....i am still so damn mad
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
I do think it's worth noting that we did a pretty good job of stopping the run
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Sep 4, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
And that’s the key to beating South Carolina. Stopping Lattimore. ECU did it for the 1st quarter or so, and that allowed their offense to work and get a lead.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
the key to beating South Carolina is an effective offense
last night I saw enough to think we could stop the run, if we aren’t 3 and out all first half again. We need to let the D rest.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope the team realizes that the reason they were 3rd and long almost every series of the 1st half was that we were trying to run up the middle, instead of doing a sweep or outside run, and waiting until 3rd down to pass. My analysis of what the Dawgs did against Boise State:
+ Defended the run very well the entire game.
+ Injuries to Samuel (RB) and Robinson (LB) were the two positions we couldn’t afford to lose.
+ The weight difference in favor of Georgia on both sides of the ball is wonderful. That in mind, I love seeing Kwame Geathers and John Jenkins at nose tackle.
+ Malcom Mitchell. I love this true freshman being an effective target in the 4th quarter as a WR.
+ Isaiah Crowell looks good when he can cut loose to the sides.
+ Drew Butler is good as ever, with a 51 yard punt. Blair Walsh is always good.
- The only real target for Murray that was effective the whole game was Orson Charles, a tight end who plays like a wide receiver who can block. To add to this point, the actual wide receivers were pretty horrible. Murray threw to Wooten and King, none of whom were an effective target. Murray threw more completions to tight ends than wide receivers the whole game.
- Kellen Moore was too much for us. He made one mistake, and that was erased by Murray’s mistake, which resulted in 6 for Boise. He was 25/30, and that won’t get it done for this pass defense, who couldn’t do anything the whole game. Despite the weight difference in favor of UGA, we couldn’t put any pressure on Moore. We didn’t sack him once. Which leads to my next point…
- The line couldn’t block for Murray worth a damn. Crowell whiffed a block (as expected) but the line couldn’t do anything for Murray. Justin Anderson number 79 was called multiple times for false start and holding.
- Murray can’t hold on to the ball for a long time. He should have already known that. Boise State has the most sacks in the nation last year, and Murray held on to the ball for way too long. And when he was lucky enough to get away from defenders, he could only work back to the LOS.
- We need to work on no-huddle offense and defense. When on defense, we’re scrambling to get a play and get set. The D-line can’t get set, and they are standing around. Especially number 29, I don’t know his name.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Waited till 3rd down to pass?
Did we watch the same game? Were we watching the same team? The playcalling was ATROCIOUS! CMB was pulling the same bleepity-bleeping-bleep he’s been doing for years.
- 1st and bomb (or at least some cheesy-ass pass)
- Run up the middle
- 3rd and desperate—long, over-developed pass play which results in a 3-5 yard dump off for a nice, effective 3 and out.
CMB is absolutely horrendous. This is the same dynamic duo (CMR and CMB) who were “surprised” at how well Moreno played, to the extent CMR jokingly (I HOPE) remarked “Who red-shirted this kid last year?” WE DON’T USE OUR TALENT. We never tried to really establish the run, probably because CMR and CMB don’t have faith in the “inexperienced” tailbacks. LET THEM RUN!!!!!
(Full Disclosure: I find it interesting that I was somewhat rational after last night’s defeat, but today I am absolutely boiling.)
Sorry Chopmaster…snarkasm not meant for you. Bobo has to go.
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
by Inteljumper on Sep 4, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or:
- Run up the middle
- Run up the middle
- 3rd and whatever. Forget the play — the result is one of the following: dropped pass, high pass, long pass, pass thrown to invisible receiver, or ball thrown out of bounds. Or a sack.
#FacepalmU
"It's in the field manual - you can check it out if you want to."
"Uh, we seem to be out of field manuals, sir."
Thanks Bernerdawg for the correction.
How could I possible forgotten the SIX sacks?
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
yep
Our O line kept Crowell and Samuel pretty well contained. ZING!
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You win this round....
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Sep 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
just throwing it out there
Not saying I’m for it or agin it. BVG.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
While I don't agree with his Georgia Southern record...
I do agree with his mustache record.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Sep 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's a DC for life ala Mickey Andrews, Charlie McBride, Jerry Sandusky, etc
some personalities just are better suited for DC than HC, and his may be one imo.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Dumb Question
I’m a transplant from North Carolina (NC State Grad), but I have adopted UGA as the team I follow down here. So please bear with me, how in the heck is Bobo still coaching this offense?? Does he have naked pictures of someone? Ever since I moved down here 4 yrs ago he has underachieved and/or been downright horrible. What makes it doubly weird is that CMR was an awesome OC at FSU for yrs and now he refuses to make his offense better when he is a HC.
My two cents, CMR is too nice of a guy to ship Bobo out, but now it’s too late.
Also a NCSU grad ('94)
Mixed feelings about Wilson. Sad to see him go, but kind of happy that he’s doing well (after one game) in Wisconsin.
Smurfing your turf
Let him go
I’m fine with letting Wilson go. TOB put his foot down and I agree. Wilson will be great with WISC, better team around him from top to bottom. I wish him well, but I won’t follow him closely. Enough NC State talk, they damn near lost to Liberty last night.
Slader4881 (& other NC State folks) - anything to the NCSU possible to SEC stuff?
From what you hear/think/want?
Imagine all the possibilities, including most of all being the only SEC school in your growing and recruit fertile state
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe some
Warning this is going to be a loong post:
As most people know UNX runs the ACC, literally John Swofford is a Tarhole. State has a new AD (Debbie Yow (Maryland)) and a new Chancellor (Randy Woodson (Purdue)) who are both most likely following the game of musical chairs very closely. I think this new administration would love to leave for the SEC if possible, but some of the old guard would hate to break up the Tobacco Road 4 (Wake, Dook, UNX, and State). No matter how you look at it Dook and UNX are tied at the hip, bc of the the whole BBall thing. I’m sure Slive wouldn’t mind bringing both of them into the fold for the SEC, but NO WAY in HELL would Carolina give up the Big Fish in the small pond situation they are in now. If that is true then the next logical schools IMO would be VT and State, (assuming of course Clemson and FSU are off the table). Both bring a new markets and expansion up the east coast. Not to mention very good fan support (even though State has sucked on and off).
I’m afraid if this doesn’t happen then State would have to be sucked up into the Big 10 or the Big East. I guess in the shortest terms it would appear at least two teams will move from the ACC to the SEC, who they are is still up in the air.
i strongly prefer a 14 team league, so either VT or NCSU best eastern choices
We’ll see how it plays out. If 16, then both with another from west or fsu in west if all could agree to bend the “gentlemen’s agreement”
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Horrible Saturday night in Georgia, Braves and Bulldogs lose big games.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
I have to say, also, that I stood up for Richt last season, because a coach that is 92-35 shouldn’t be fired unless there is off-the-field issues, which there weren’t. But I’m getting tired of this. This is the second opener we’ve lost in the last 3 years, but Richt had to know he was getting into shit creek, mind the language. He knew he was making it hard on this team, because he knew that Carolina would be tough in the second week of the season, despite being at home. Yet he bit off more than he could possibly ever chew because he knew this team was national-title caliber. The only thing that made sense for Richt to schedule this matchup was that Boise State was 0-4 against the SEC. Then again, Colorado was 0-4 against the SEC before that matchup.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
I commented on this last night
But I am so tired of all of the negative records that our opponents are piling up against us. “Team X has never beaten an SEC team.” Then they beat us. Kellen Moore (who is a fantastic QB) scores his 100th TD…against Georgia. I remember a couple of years ago when Tebow broke one of Herschel’s records…against UGA. That one had some extra sting to it.
Now granted those players/teams would have still made those achievements eventually anyway, but I’m just so sick of us being the whipping boys.
It kind of reminds me of the SEC championship last year. Watching all of the pregame highlights of Auburn and SC, so much of the footage was of those 2 teams beating our players.
Sorry guys, I know there was a page last night for venting, guess I didn’t get it all out.
Don't worry about it, MDDawg.
We’re all in this together, and we all understand. This is about more than just one game, and the repercussions will be unfolding for a while.
Go 'Dawgs!
Lets get real
Lets get real, UGA fans…and Boise fans.
Georgia was 6-7 last year. Georgia lost to Colorado. Georgia lost to UCF. We lost a superstar and some great supporting cast. We are thin and young at a heap of positions. Why did we expect to come out and beat a team full of seniors coming off 12-1?
Boise fans: sure, its a big deal to win a game on a big stage in enemy territory. Your team, and quarterback, are obviously fantastic. But honestly, this isn’t the big win to hang your hat on. Colorado didn’t get national respect for beating us last year…why should you? With Baylor taking out TCU, it looks like another amazing season without the “respect” you guys want. Which frankly sucks…but that’s the way it is. If I were you, I’d just be happy you win 99% of your games. Screw respect. Just enjoy it.
That said, burn down the UGA coaching staff please.
Losing to Colorado's pitiful team and coach was the true beginning of the end
Most stunning game of the year for me
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what our red zone conversion percentage was?
Me either. You can’t divide by zero.
We did not run a single play from scrimmage that began inside the Boise State 20. Not. One.
Think about that for a minute. But only for a minute. If you think about it longer than that, blood will shoot out of your eyeballs.
by RJohn on Sep 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That statistic
is what sobers the score to the point of irony: we never drove the ball. Did we even get it within field goal range? I can’t remember.
I am so sick of losing games, and losing them in sad, sorry ways.
(Props on the header, Mr. King. That Auden line captures my inner desolation perfectly.)
"It's in the field manual - you can check it out if you want to."
"Uh, we seem to be out of field manuals, sir."
That's right
It went left.
"It's in the field manual - you can check it out if you want to."
"Uh, we seem to be out of field manuals, sir."
And it would have been seven yards shorter
If we hadn’t given up a sack on third down.
We were also in field goal range in the second quarter, when we went for it on fourth down. I think that was our deepest penetration (hehheh), to about the 26.
No, no!
We were there TWICE. We just couldn’t manage to get 1 yard. WHY THE HECK DID WE GO FOR IT?!?! We have the best kicker in the….
/kickseverythinginreachingdistance
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
The better question
is why did we try to get that 1 yard from a running play out of the shotgun position instead of running out of the power I with a 280 lb. lead blocker in Figgins and great TEs?
That's the better question
I think the call to go for it on 4th down was absolutely the right call. (Even in retrospect, after it failed, we see that a FG wouldn’t have been much of a difference, but a TD would have made it a much closer game, and possibly might have given momentum back.)
The play he called, though…
Smurfing your turf
Respectfully disagree.
A field goal would have made it 14-10, the game was not out of reach at that point, and apparently our boys need all the positive mojo that can be mustered.
I do not argue about how we should have gotten the first down, whether it was 4th and 1 or 3rd and 1. However, I didn’t see the psychological cost/benefit ratio in our favor by going for it so early.
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
Yea, its that kinda of stuff that I am crying about.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Thanks, Bernerdawg.
Yeah, I’m getting good at making literary references in the midst of Bulldog-induced despair! :)
Go 'Dawgs!
Georgia can do a Virginia Tech this year.
Frankly, I haven’t seen the game yet, but by all accounts your run defense is great. Also, Aaron Murray is developing into a star QB. The fact that you couldn’t run on Boise isn’t a knock on Georgia, but more BSU’s fault. I believe you can beat the rest of the teams on your schedule, but wins against SCAR and Florida will be difficult.
I hope not
VT lost to James Madison after getting beat by BSU last year, then ran the table in a weak ACC.
BSU has a good DL, but UGA hasn’t been able to run the ball against good teams in years.
History has it that whoever loses to bsu in the opener wins their conference!
Oregon in ’08 and ’09 went on to win Pac 10 titles
VTech im ’10 finished ACC champs
Guys, I know it’ll take time to get over this but I have lots of respect for you. USC won’t have the maniac Dline we had. Murray will have more time to find his rhythm for the season. Your d is great defending the run! I’d put money on you pulling off a W next week. You’ll be better having played Boise State.
As a fanbase you guys are awesome. Thanks for all the visitors and contributors to obnug leading up the game, you are a class act. Best of luck moving forward guys. I’ll be back to congratulate you after next weeks wim
by BSUbluNorange on Sep 4, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
twice is history, not random coincidence.
/mdwm
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Awesome!
Losing to this podunk team was actually good for us! We’re going to win the SEC now! Yay!
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, BSUbluNorange. We appreciate it.
Unfortunately, there are important differences. The Oregon and Virginia Tech teams you mentioned at least were competitive with Boise State, giving hope heading forward that ultimately was realized.
Georgia was not competitive with Boise State last night. The Broncos beat the Bulldogs far more soundly than the final score suggests; that the Red and Black managed 21 points appears to be something of a minor miracle. Had Georgia played like the No. 19 team in the country, the Bulldogs still would have lost, but would have provided some hope that they could play with the No. 12 team in the country. I was given no such cause for hope last night.
Go 'Dawgs!
Thanks, wetter67, but, while you're right about the quality of Boise State's run defense, . . .
. . . Georgia has been equally inept at running the ball against much, much lesser defensive fronts.
Go 'Dawgs!
If the Dawgs would've won
College Gameday, probably, would’ve been live from Athens.
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Sep 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
well...given our record on CGD
thank God for small miracles.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Yeah 0-2 at home
0-3 at some neutral site game. 3-8 overall
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Sep 4, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, Dawg fans (I among that group), CGD ain't coming to Athens anytime soon
That’s just one of the illustrations of what dropping to this level means off-the-field
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That's all right.
After what happened in 1998 and in 2008, I hope “College GameDay” never comes back to Athens.
Go 'Dawgs!
But you did beat Bama on CGD in '02, South Carolina in '04, and Bama again in '07.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
None of those games were in Athens.
I didn’t say I hoped Georgia never again played a game with “College GameDay” on hand, just that I didn’t want them coming back to the Classic City.
Go 'Dawgs!
as a bama fan living in athens, i cannot believe bobo still has a job
much less is the oc. they have a better oc at brookwood high school,,
the play calling has not changed in 4 years and is very predictable,,there is no ball control plays being called. and that 3 and 16 call was a wtf moment,,,,why also is the top reciever on the bench till the 4th? orsin charles needs to get less haircuts and more production by catching the frikin ball….
mark richt is a nice guy but being a nice guy os going to put georgia where it has been,,in the liberity bowl, finishing fourth in the east.
if you think dooley is not getting better, spurrer and muschamp are worried ,,really worried about a richt coachd georgia, you are delisional..
I agree the smart move is hire kirby smart, but maybe georgia is happy with their lot at this time….competing with kentucky and vandy for bottom of the east…
I am not flaming as I live in georgia and would relly like uga to improve and think they should be at the top of the east,,but does anyone here really,,really really believe it is possiable with the staff we have in place????
this is my opinion and if I offend anyone, I am sorry
I think you're dead-on accurate
I would add that it is unforgivable to have a talent like Crowell and never get him the ball in space (especially after it was clear that BSU had shut the middle)
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Great writeup, sir.
Bama fan here- watched the whole game. Only one piece I’d take issue with:
This need not have been so; had Georgia held up its end of the deal the way Boise State did—-had the Bulldogs played like a team deserving of its preseason ranking the way the Broncos did—-the Red and Black still would have lost, but we might’ve taken a measure of solace in having fought valiantly while falling to a superior opponent. Improvement is possible, even in defeat. I’m not mad that Boise State is better than Georgia; Boise State is better than the overwhelming majority of college football teams, and has been for a while, and the Broncos may be better than any other team in the land.
- I think this line of thinking is weak for a couple of reasons. First, as you laid out in your post, UGA laid a serious egg in this one, failing to play to their potential. There is no doubt in my mind that UGA has significantly more talent than Boise. Unfortunately, the coaching staff continually fails to prepare and develop said talent. No way UGA still loses to these guys if they play their best.
- I don’t think many people were rating UGA at the top of the SEC this season. Reality is that, for this season, UGA is probably a middle-of-the-pack conference team. Yet, as I stated above, you absolutely COULD have taken those guys. No way they are better than Bama and LSU. Would they stay on the field? Sure. But better? No. Way.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I don't.
I think they are very good- can play with anyone. But the best in the country? Come on.
They beat a pretty good Oregon team in 2009. Oregon got smacked by Ohio St. in the Rose that year.
They (barely) beat a pretty good VT team last year . VT got smacked by Stanford in the Orange.
They beat a mediocre UGA team last night.
They lost to friggin’ Nevada last season. Nevada lost to Hawaii and struggled to beat 7-6 Boston College in a nothing bowl.
They lost 8 starters including their top two receivers.
Sorry, not buying it. Only way those guys win a MNC is if the SEC eliminates itself and they get to play the ACC or Pac-12 champ.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Where did I call them "the best in the country"
or did you misunderstand the author’s use of the word “may”. Or that he said exactly what you did in the sense of “can play with anyone in the country”. They lost to Nevada? Like no one ever loses to a clearly inferior team (need I remind you of La Monroe, among others).
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I didn't misunderstand anything.
I said that I believe “may be the best” to be false, as there is no way in hell they’re the best.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Absolutely.
Join a real conference.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Or have things fall right and prove it in New Orleans,
among other ways that could answer that “are they worthy” question.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I've always been against BSU playing in the MNC...
but at this point I’m almost resigned to hoping that it works out for them. An Ohio State-like performance in the MNC game might end this charade once and for all.
Caveat: If there are two undefeated teams left from the SEC, Pac-12, Big Tenelve or Big XII-3 at the end of the year, Boise doesn’t belong anywhere near that game. It isn’t their fault, but they won’t have a single quality win if they go undefeated. Maybe TCU will be ranked in the 20s if they’re lucky.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
One other thing
A real conference? Like the one with teams who can barely beat such formidable foes as Utah St and Eastern Carolina?
I don’t deny the SEC as the best conference top to bottom. What I will disagree with is the size of the gap between their best, and other elite teams in the nation.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
What I will disagree with is the size of the gap between their best, and other elite teams in the nation.
SEC is 7-0 in the BCSCG. No other conf has won more than 2.
SEC is 15-6 (.714) in BCS Bowls. No other conf has won more than 10. The MWC has a slightly higher win% (they have won 3 of 4), though all 3 wins came courtesy of TCU and Utah, who have moved on or will be. Among AQ conf the P12 has the 2nd best win% at .643 counting all of USC’s vacated wins as wins.
In other words, the difference between the SEC’s elite and other elites may actually be greater than the discrepancy between middle-tier squads.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yea
and those stats don’t mean poo this year. Typical- if they ain’t SEC – they ain’t nothing drivel. College football changes a lot from year to year.
Join a real conference. Great idea , when is the invite coming. I know we here in Boise will be looking forward to hosting some of these fabled SEC teams here on the blue turf. The skiing here is great, with a resort only 30 minutes away. I am sure your players will like it here in November or early Dec. That argument is so old and tired- get a new one.
One word- playoff, then we won’t have to debate, it could be decided on the field.
You dont want a playoff - then you get Bama as NC for 20 years
your hope is beating a big school and winning out.
Get rid of the blue turf. Add 20k seats.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
OK, that was sort of a joke
But tankertoad is right.
College football scheduling is mostly about the money these days. Teams don’t want to play in Boise, but it’s not because they are afraid playing the game. It’s that there’s no money in it.
It’s a long trip, so it costs a good chunk of time and money to take the team.
It’s a tiny stadium, so the cut of the gate is going to be tiny.
The population of the region is small, so there’s not even a recruiting reason to play there.
If I’m missing a good reason for a team to want to play in Boise, please let me know what it is.
There’s a lot more money to be made by playing a small school at home.
I’m not saying that college football should be so much about money; I’m observing that it is.
by CraigT on Sep 4, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We had a chance to prove that GA has risen and Boise wasn't the best team in the country last night, but we didn't
Still, I give all the credit to Boise State. They deserve to win. They had a very good gameplan, used their quarterback effectively, and strategically found our weaknesses and exploited them. Did GA find any weaknesses on Boise State? NO. We shot ourselves in the foot so many times, I couldn’t count them with my fingers. We made mistakes on offense and kept on repeating them. 1st and bomb, run up the middle, run up the middle. The O line didn’t help either. Boise State is a legit team that’s worth a shot in the national championship game if it gets there. For us, it’ll be a miracle if we make it to the SEC championship.
by thefirstgenesis on Sep 4, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Play with anyone?
Yes.
Play with everyone? Every week?
I have my doubts. Serious, serious doubts.
There’s a difference between beating Georgia in a one-off and playing Florida, Tennessee, Auburn and Alabama in four straight games. And yeah, yeah, Utah State, blah blah blah. But let ’em go to Columbia for a 4:30 kickoff. Let ’em go to Baton Rouge and have whiskey bottles thrown at them. Let ’em go to Knoxville and have 100,000 people screaming at them while wearing ORANGE.
And let them do all those things in the same season.
(OK, the orange probably wouldn’t bother them as much.)
And they'd probably finish with 8-10 wins when they're strong...
a lot less when they aren’t, same as just about everyone else. No one is saying they’d step in to the SEC and go undefeated. But then again, it’s not often any SEC teams go undefeated either. Anyone trying to pass off Boise as some lucky scrapper who got it done in a one off is spitting sour grapes. This “play with everyone, every week” crap, ignores the fact that even the best teams in the SEC or elsewhere still slip up against lesser opponents on a regular basis. See the latter years of Carroll at Southern Cal, Florida to Ole Miss in their national title year, among several others.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
As a long time Bronco fan I would agree with the notion that Boise could play with any team in the SEC, I can’t say they would be better than teams like Bama or LSU any more than I think Bama and LSU fans could say they are better than BSU. Reason being they don’t play one another. Believe me, BSU and Bronco Nation would love to have a shot at the best SEC team in January but that will be a long shot this year given Georgia is not likely to win the SEC and TCU losing hurts the already long shot notion that that the Broncos will play for a National Championship. I have confidence in BSU competing against any team in the nation, but until the best of the best agree to schedule BSU, and believe me BSU has tried to schedule you, it will remain open to debate and personal opinion.
I always love this.
I have confidence in BSU competing against any team in the nation, but until the best of the best agree to schedule BSU, and believe me BSU has tried to schedule you, it will remain open to debate and personal opinion.
Boise has reportedly insisted that big money programs come play on that puke blue turf in that cesspool of a stadium as part of any arrangement. Want some respect? Go on the road one year… in EVERY one of your non-conference slots to play the SEC. Even then you’d be playing three SEC teams and a bunch of cupcakes. Very good team you have, and I hope like hell we get to play you in New Orleans.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Go on the road
Yeah Boise needs to go on the road to play the nations best teams. They went to Oregon, Virginia Tech, and Georgia. They have proposed games with other SEC teams without the need to reciprocate meaning 1 year on the road games, no guarantee of a home game the following year. Where did you get the info that they insist on playing in Boise?
Read
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709
Maybe this will shed some light.
None of those finished in the top ten.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh
and I said do it three times in one year.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Reread
Read the article again because I think it helps to prove your point. BSU needs to play a tougher schedule, no doubt. They can’t get the top teams to play them. Until they do they should not get a National Championship opportunity. If they win out this year they deserve a BCS bowl berth but not a NC game, strength of schedule is not high enough. I wish they could play Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Bama, etc, etc, 3 times in a year, frankly it would ease a little pressure off their program, if they played 3 of this teams early they could go 2 and 1 and stay in the NC conversation, as it stands if they lose a single game they become the over rated team with the blue turf. Fact is Boise will play any team that agrees to play them, will they always win, doubtful, they want to prove their worth in college football, why does that upset people? They have been fortunate to play Oregon and win, Oregon went on to play in a BCS bowl, VT, also went on to play in a BCS game, now Georgia, maybe they get into a BCS bowl in January, who knows.
Build it and they will come. Add 20,000 seats, get rid of the blue field, and give fans some fun nightlife.
Otherwise, expect the same, major schools will not do a home and home with you.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Build it
It takes time. They have been expanding the stadium since 2007 when they won the Fiesta Bowl. Fact if the matter is if the George Dome was in Boise teams would still not want to play there. Boise needs to keep trying to go on the road to play these teams but they can’t get 1 game deals with very many. It has been a blast watching Boise grow over the last 10 years and I hope they continue that success well into the future and get that Awe inspiring stadium that will draw in the big names. As for the night life you need to visit Boise. It is actually a great small city atmosphere. There are times I wished I lived there :-)
Then take the time
and come back when you’re done. Next question.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I don't feel any better this morning
I can’t talk which is probably a good thing because I wouldn’t like what would come out of my mouth.
Beginning of the end.
The hangover is a welcome distraction though.
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
by RedCrake on Sep 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
SI.com story today - By Andy Staples - link and excerpts below
Entering Saturday, a great number believed Boise State couldn’t come to the capital city of The South and beat an SEC team that closed last season by losing to Central Florida in the Liberty Bowl. For years, SEC elitists dismissed Boise State’s rise by referencing Georgia’s curbstomping of the Broncos in Athens in 2005. That day, Georgia — en route to an SEC title — showed Boise State how far it needed to go to reach elite status. The SEC apologists can’t hang their hats on that game anymore. They do, however, have another excuse.
The SEC is fine. Georgia is not.
Despite its circus-play reputation — the hook-and-lateral masterpiece that helped beat Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl was actually named “Circus” — Boise State didn’t win with trickery Saturday. The Broncos simply dominated both lines of scrimmage and made precious few mistakes. If the coaching matchup had been a game of chess, Boise State’s staff would have won in four moves. (Hey look, it’s another Boise State receiver wide open over the middle eight yards from the line of scrimmage!) Georgia’s first possession, a three-and-out, included two false-start penalties and a delay-of-game flag. That about summed up Georgia’s discipline.
“They just beat us tonight,” Georgia coach Mark Richt said. “They were better than we were.”
Wait a second. Why do I smell the faintest hint of Sprayberry’s barbecue sauce? I think I’m blacking out …
I apologize for the interruption. This is the spirit of Lewis Grizzard. Since Andy wouldn’t have chosen to write for a living if not for my columns, I figured he wouldn’t mind if I hijacked one of his columns to get something off my chest. I watched Saturday’s game from a cloud located directly above Vince Dooley’s house, and I was mortified at what I saw.
The uniforms worn by my alma mater Saturday were hideous. They looked like something my black lab, Catfish, once threw up after he got into a pantry full of strawberry preserves. The silver britches my Bulldogs wear on most occasions are among the finest garments in sports. It’s embarrassing enough to lose to a team from Idaho. Must my Dawgs dress like clowns to compound the shame?In my life, I offended many a dinner-party hostess by wearing Weejuns without socks. But I never allowed an apparel company to dictate my dignity. In fact, the only dealing I had with a clothier in my lifetime was my ill-fated attempt to convince Casual Corner to manufacture a line of sweaters conforming to the specific dimensions of Kathy Sue Loudermilk. I asked my boyhood friend and idol Weyman C. Wannamaker Jr., a great American, to assess Georgia’s sartorial horror, and he responded thusly: “I’ve been to three county fairs, two square dances and a Shriner parade. I’ve seen a chicken play the piano, a baboon that knew his ABCs and a duck fart underwater. But I ain’t never seen a uniform as ugly as that.”
A program that enjoys as many inherent advantages as Georgia can only spend so much time outside the ranks of the elite without requiring wholesale changes. The Bulldogs receive the bulk of the attention in a state loaded with football talent. Simply by signing the best 25 players in Georgia every year, Georgia should be able to compete for the national title on a regular basis. Instead, the Bulldogs are middle-of-the-pack in their own conference.
Sadly, some will still believe Boise State pulled off an upset Saturday. But that isn’t the case. After the Broncos sacked Murray twice on Georgia’s final possession, Boise State took over on the Bulldogs’ three-yard line with eight seconds remaining.
Moore took a knee. It was an act of mercy. Boise State didn’t need style points. It had proven itself the superior program long before.
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
KYLE - I should have added, Andy Staples did the Lewis Grizzard for you (maybe he saw what you wrote in your post, and was inspired?)
"Half our life is spent trying to find something to do with the time we have rushed through life trying to save."
-- Will Rogers
by ProlateSpheroidFan on Sep 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
My complaint with his article
is that he writes as if Sprayberry’s barbecue is still good. The last few times I’ve stopped, both at the restaurant in downtown Newnan and the one out by I-85, the meat was dry and unexceptional.
I'll keep this very short
Best of luck the rest of the season ’Dawg fans. We really enjoyed your forays into OBNUG where I believe you brought worthwhile points ot the conversations and conducted yourselves in a sterling manner for the most part. I understand how gut wrenching a big game loss can be so I will leave it at that and let you guys sort this all out in the privacy it deserves.
Thank you for your classiness fellas and I hope everything works out for you.
- Pjohn56
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Thanks Pjohn56
I’ve enjoyed our interactions with the Boise St faithful. Best of luck the rest of the season.
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
by RedCrake on Sep 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we had played Louisville, would the outcome be the same?
Remember, Greg McGarity scrapped Louisville for Boise State last year. Had we played Louisville in Athens, would the outcome be the same, a loss? It would’ve been more embarrassing to lose to Louisville than to Boise State. Still, this team is on life support with no ability to win the big games, and it only takes a decision by the AD to pull the plug on Richt. Like many people, I respect Richt as a person of character, but THIS IS YOUR TEAM, RICHT. If Richt had a backbone, he would’ve been in charge with the offensive playcalling and took control of the team. It used to be in the past, if even we’re trailing, he would get the team motivated to rally and get a comeback to win at the end. Now, when we’re trailing, there’s no urgency or motivation to fight and try to win the game. The good days of Georgia FB are way behind us if Richt keeps his old conservative mindset in college football.
by thefirstgenesis on Sep 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
I think Georgia would have beaten Louisville
They had problems with Morgan State. They may not be in as much trouble as UK, but they aren’t in a good place.
Tech dropped a home-and-home with Louisville to play Mississippi State a few years ago. They may get a complex about this (although I think, in truth, they are happy to have dodged some bullets.
Same here
A lot of Dawg fans have made their way over to OBNUG and have showed good sportsmanship. Just wanted to let you know how much we appreciate that. Also, I want to wish you guys good luck and health for the rest of the season. Please whoop some SEC ass this year. Not just for the sake of Boise State, but also because I really do believe Mark Richt is a fine coach and would hate to see him leave.
I was Dr. Jrig. Now I'm JRig. Next I'll just be ig.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
"Watch the point, catch the fat." - Larry Fitzgerald
All of you Boise fans...
keep making comments of the notion that we can somehow replicate what Virginia Tech did last year and run roughshod through the SEC to validate your win over us. Do you guys truly believe that?
If so, and you watched that game last night, I don’t see how anyone can take you seriously when you claim that Boise can play with anyone in the country. I’ve watched a lot of elite college football teams in person the past decade-plus…far more, I imagine, than nearly every Boise fan out there. I did not see an elite team on the field in the Georgia Dome last night. Georgia played like a Chinese fire drill, and Boise somehow let them hang around close enough that a decent team would have still been within striking distance in the fourth quarter.
Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, or Oregon would have emptied that stadium out before halftime. Boise executes very well, and is very likely a top 15-20 program on that measure alone. That is something to be proud of…your program faces enormous disadvantages compared to almost all of the remaining top 25 out there.
I would wish your team good luck the rest of the season, but I’d be lying. I’m not going to get to watch meaningful football from my team this season, but I’ll still watch other college football teams that are actually good or great. I don’t want the Boise debate filling up half of the discussion each Saturday. I’ll be rooting against your team hoping one of the tomato cans left on your schedule sneaks by you and ends the talk. After that, best of luck to Boise.
By the way, this opinion has more to do with what your team represents than any of your actual team does. I think your field and your uniforms are incredibly gimmicky (as was the piping in of your fight song over the loudspeakers last night), but I don’t really have anything against any of your players or coaches. But the longer Boise keeps winning, the more likely we are to have to deal with total frauds like Hawaii in 2007. College football is better off without that garbage.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said, Fisheries
Call it sour grapes, but BSU is not a top 5 team, and probably not top 10.
The sooner they are out of the picture the better.
That Hawaii fraud in 2007 hurt us as a program more than anyone else. That cheap, easy, “dominant” win in 2007 kept Willie Martinez around for 2 more friggin years, and Bobo around for 4 more years. Ugh.
This I disagree with.
I’d say they’re top 10. They just aren’t top 1.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
hawaii was different
They really didn’t play anybody. If you can’t give Boise credit now, then when? What more can they do? I dont see us signing up to go to Boise and play. I hope you enjoy your 64 team new super ncaa division. I for one will miss teams like Boise.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you Mark
I was Dr. Jrig. Now I'm JRig. Next I'll just be ig.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
"Watch the point, catch the fat." - Larry Fitzgerald
Re:
hawaii was different…They really didn’t play anybody.
Absolutely. And the only reason they were given enough credit to make a BCS game was because of Boise the season before. Without that fluke win against Oklahoma, Hawaii would have been held in the same esteem as 1998 Tulane.
If you can’t give Boise credit now, then when?
I believe I’ve given them credit. They’ve vastly overperformed their resources in the past six years, probably moreso than any team in the country.
What more can they do?
I don’t know. All I can do is tell you my opinion based on what I’ve seen relative to other college football teams. That they beat this Georgia team doesn’t carry a whole lot of weight with me. Colorado and UCF weren’t top ten teams last year, were they?
I dont see us signing up to go to Boise and play.
Of course not. It would be a financial disaster. They play in a stadium barely half the size of Georgia Tech’s.
I hope you enjoy your 64 team new super ncaa division. I for one will miss teams like Boise.
That would be fantastic, and Boise would be a wonder program for whatever new division emerges from that realignment.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
what can i say
I guess we like college football for different reasons.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably so.
I like to see the game played at a high level by great athletes. I don’t care anything about watching David slay Goliath just for the sake of anarchy. I’ve never understood the need people have to root for underdogs.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What am I supposed to say?
Instead of wishing you luck, maybe I should wish you luck on not getting your asses kicked then. I never said I expect you guys to do what VA Tech did last year or what Oregon did the year before. You don’t have to give Boise State respect. That’s fine and I honestly don’t give a shit if you do or not. We’re used to it. I will say this though, Boise State isn’t going anywhere. At least not any time soon. No matter what division or league they’ve been in BSU has had 5 losing seasons….ever. A lot of outsiders may not know that yet since Boise State isn’t as rich in tradition compared to teams like Georgia. Boise State is building that right now.
As Georgia fans you pretty much expect to compete for conference championships and bowl games every year. Boise State is no different, we have the same expectations. We’re just not as big.
I just came here to wish you guys luck on your season no matter the outcome. We do that with every team, whether that’s Georgia or Toledo. Either pull your heads out and win or you can cry about it. Your choice.
I was Dr. Jrig. Now I'm JRig. Next I'll just be ig.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
"Watch the point, catch the fat." - Larry Fitzgerald
by JRig on Sep 4, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not saying you expected it...
only that you and other Boise folks make it sound like it is even a possibility. With this team, it isn’t.
My head isn’t anywhere. My opinion of how good Georgia’s or Boise State’s football team is this season is just as objective as yours. Just because my crappy team got beat by your better team doesn’t mean I’m required to ignore everything I know about college football and proclaim Boise to be the greatest team ever.
By the way, if I was just a Georgia fan, I would certainly be wishing your team luck this year. It would certainly make our team look better if Boise really is the best team in the country. I’m interested in college football outside of Georgia, though, and Boise isn’t good for college football.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Says an elitist...
Boise isn’t good for college football.
That’s okay.
I was Dr. Jrig. Now I'm JRig. Next I'll just be ig.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
"Watch the point, catch the fat." - Larry Fitzgerald
I fully acknowledge that I'm a college football elitist...
…and make no apologies for it, even if I am currently a fan of a team that is nowhere remotely near elite status. I’ve at least been there and know what it looks/smells like.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
I’ll make no apologies for you having to endure Boise State talk every season. I know you don’t want to believe it, but BSU is here to stay. They may not be BCS contenders every single year but they won’t drop too far. Sounds like things will be miserable for you.
I was Dr. Jrig. Now I'm JRig. Next I'll just be ig.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
"Watch the point, catch the fat." - Larry Fitzgerald
I, too, can confidently predict
that Boise State will continue to win double-digit games every season, as long as it continues to play one real game, one or two semi-difficult games and nine or 10 Sisters of the Poor every year.
Again: SEC teams routinely get made fun of for playing nonconference schedules that include two or three of the type of teams that y’all play nine of every single year.
better just give up
These guys don’t get it. Theyre not going to get it. I get it. A lot of other people on here get it. Save your sanity. Save yourself.
by Mark Mandingo on Sep 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For what it's worth, JRig
I think Fisheries is offbase here. I’m not sure what it means for you to be “bad for college football.” If you are a consistently quality program, as Fisheries admitted you are, then what’s the freaking problem with you getting some attention? Of course nobody can force anyone to have an opinion that you are the absolute best team in the country, but it seems unnecessarily combative at this point to poo-poo you guys.
I have a pretty strongly ingrained dislike of all forms of elitism, though, so take that for it’s worth. (However, I also don’t love to root for underdogs just becasue. I, like FisheriesDawg, like too see quality football. But Boise State plays quality football. If being an “elitist” means that you simply refuse to acknowledge anyone but the established powers as having merit, or of deserving an opportunity to join those same powers, then yeah, like I said, I really don’t like elitism.)
(FisheriesDawg, this is awkward becasue I’m not trying to call anyone out and have a fight, but since I’m commenting on things you said feel free to respond.)
by Xon on Sep 4, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind it at all.
I acknowledge that it is possible that Boise truly is as good as anyone else in the country, and they have been for the past five-plus years. Nothing they’ve done on the field says otherwise.
On the flipside, though, nothing they’ve done on the field unequivocally proves it, either. Until they win the MNC game (or get blown out in it), we’re never going to have a good answer for how good Boise really is.
As to my elitism, I’m just of the opinion that these mid-majors are more often than not pretenders. Yeah, there have been a couple along the way that were legit, but my opinion is probably skewed by the fact that we’ve had to deal with and dispatch them in the past (Boise ‘05 and Hawaii ’07) when there was no need to. I just don’t want to see one of them slip through into the national championship game and ruin it some year, though having one get their doors blown off might be worth it in the long run.
Ultimately, though, Boise as a national power simply doesn’t make any logical sense. They’re in a wasteland of a recruiting base, they’ve only been playing big boy football for a couple of decades, and they’ve got the small stadium/fanbase/budget that come with it. A great year every now and then is possible, but sustained excellence is highly unlikely. There are too many factors going against them for it to happen. Chris Petersen is a great coach, but he doesn’t have some magical formula where he can turn a bunch of goofy white kids into All-Americans that are better than what more established programs get.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
JRig, it may be too late for me to say this, but thank you for the sentiment.
I’m sorry that, in our present state, not all of us have been able to reciprocate your graciousness, but we do appreciate it, and I am sorry that some of the sentiments that have been shared here were directed at you due to no fault of your own. I apologize.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 4, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looking for a brightside...
If there’s anything to be taken positive from this game, it’s that Brandon Boykin is awesome and that Malcolm Mitchell looks like he could make a significant impact this season. Not much went right for the offense, but that was a really pretty pass and catch. Hats off to the Broncos, they dominated the game.
"When people see me sack the quarterback, I want them to see Jesus." - Reggie White
Twitter @JoshBernat17
Re: Boykin
The dude is a great athlete, but I have a hard time getting over how much he ran his mouth on twitter only to be unable to even reach the 20 on a kickoff return before we got to garbage time. He dared Chris Petersen to kick the ball to them, it happened, and he failed miserably.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really, all the kicks were squipped that went off to the side, giving him no chance to return.
and oh, he did score a TD and played great in the secondary. What more do you want?
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
The first kick was squibbed, yes.
After that, all of them went to him, including a couple of very returnable ones.
He doesn’t deserve any of the blame. His bravado, though, given the results, are just one more contribution to the complete failure that this entire game was.
by FisheriesDawg on Sep 4, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He played a great game. I didnt like his tweet, but he played a great game.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by chuckdawg on Sep 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
About that Mitchell kid:
He has been the buzz since he stepped on the practice field in early August. Right away, he was identified by everyone (writers, players, coaches) as the most game-ready of the Dream Team. Yet, we only saw him when the outcome was pretty much decided.
When it got urgent (not Defcon 3 urgent like the start of the 3rd quarter, but Defcon 1 “Call SAC and warm up the bombers in the bullpen” urgent late in the 3rd quarter), the kid comes in and immediately stretches the secondary with his speed. Tavarres King’s obvious struggles aside, why doesn’t Mitchell get into the game earlier? Why do we keep shelving obvious top shelf talent, only to debut them when there is either a crisis or an epiphany (Hello, Knowshon “redshirt” Moreno?). Where was Marlon Brown? The kid got involved early and simply vanished. He made a play, short gain that it was, and poof…gone. Why?
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
by DavetheDawg on Sep 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said the same thing to Kyle on the phone - more to follow
The hottest player out of camp isn’t utilized until it didnt matter.
Why? How? I get it that upper classmen and starters get respect, but after T Kings 3rd drop, why didnt we put the hottest kid from summer camp in? GRRR
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Re: Coaches, What About Petersen?
Kyle, I agree with all you say, other than the Kirby Smart scenario. Maybe it’s too much historical awareness (our last 2 Dawg alum coaches didn’t work out so well), maybe it’s because I’d prefer an experienced head coach (that’s worked out pretty well for Bama and UF, for example, in recent years), but I am not a Kirby Smart bandwagoner and I wonder why he would be the logical lead candidate. Some other intriguing names have been put out there, but why wouldn’t McGarity consider Chris Petersen? After last night, not only is there no doubt in my mind that he is a better coach than Coach Richt, or that his coordinators are superior to UGA’s, but no doubt that he is one of the best football coaches in the country. He also fits the persona model we Dawg alums seem to prefer—smart, gentlemanly, tough, diplomatic—in a way, it’s as if he’s the guy we thought Richt was for about 7 years. IF he would consider coming to Athens, why wouldn’t it make sense to consider him as a strong candidate?
Also: congrats to Boise State Broncos team and fans everywhere.
Also also: God, those unis were even worse than I thought they’d be!
Petersen turned down Stanford so I'm not sure he would agree to coach UGA.
I agree with the thought process though of hiring an experienced coach like Petersen or Patterson over a coordinator. Charlie Strong would even be preferable to Kirby Smart imo.
d-wade=d-ouche
by captainamerica* on Sep 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanford doesn't pay
the difference between a Stanford offer and a Georgia offer would be multiple million per year, and probably $10m+ more over the life of the contract.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
nood
I can think of 2 million more reasons than Boise and 1.5 million more reasons than Stanford.
This website describes the coaches on the hot seat and what they are making: Coaches Hot Seat Rankings http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm
Richt 1, Peterson 120 (dead last)-look at the salaries-this is why the folks in Georgia have angst. Unfortunately for Boise, I think there will be little support for that team until a change is made there. I personally think they will be lucky to go 6-6.
I believe Petersen had signed a multiyear contract with Boise in the past
Thus, I don’t think Petersen would be leaving the state of Idaho anytime soon. Plus, there is the debacle of what happened to Dan Hawkins when he left Idaho for Colorado. Petersen’s coaching style works best for Boise, but I’m not sure if his success can translate to other conferences. The good news is that the next coach would be able to pick and choose which staff he wants for his offense. No more Bobo, thank goodness. McGarity should give the next coach the opportunity to hire his coaches and assistants.
by thefirstgenesis on Sep 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
People only mention Hawkins
Dirk Koetter was before him before failing as Arizona St’s coach. And before him, Houston Dale Nutt.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Giggity!
The South, to me, is fried chicken and catfish caviar -- that's grits -- and good-looking women.
Gotta love the optimism
As a former player, my thoughts:
Most of you are incredibly intelligent and civilized fans, sans a few idiots. The Georgia front 3 were dominant against the run and your DB’s played well when the coach let them play man. Now, I understand that Jeffery is other-worldly, but he DOES NOT have a QB like Kellen Moore throwing him the football. Leave it to Garcia to keep the other team in the game. I personally would be happy to see my run defense play as well as Georgia’s did last night with Lattimore and the Gamecocks up next.
And I’m sorry, but even though you play in the SEC, looking at your schedule you will not see one Defensive Line that is as good as BSU’s this season. Clowney may be a beast but you guys had some excellent max protect packages (as long as Crowell isn’t in them) that could neutralize a single DE. When Murray had time, he threw the ball well. If the WR’s can get rid of those drops then that game last night is much closer.
Thanks to the Big Dawgs who run this blog/site, you guys had some brilliant posts/commentary over the last couple of weeks. Of course, you have another fan now from the other side of the country. GL
You're right. We've got the weakest schedule in the conference this year
—and I don’t mean that as any kind of slight. If we have anything at all we could win the division. And BSU has a great QB, a great DL, and a darn good RB.
Trust me, FrmrBronco, I've been talking up Boise State's defensive line all summer.
I take nothing away from the Broncos’ front seven, but I’ve seen Georgia run the ball equally ineptly against much weaker defensive fronts. I’ll believe we can run the ball on anyone when I see us run the ball on someone.
Go 'Dawgs!
Points to Ponder
Don’t Panic yet…..although I am a die hard Bronco fan, Gotta tell you I was on the edge of my seat until mid fourth quarter. The Bulldogs simply shut off the middle running game and we were playing without a Safety (all three Georgia scores came from beating our fill-in Safety).
Pre-game I was simply in awe of the physical stats of your team. It turned out it was like the Oklahoma game in 2006. Whether it was you guys or ‘Bama I don’t think the Big Boys know how to stuff the little runts with tattoos and a chip on their shoulders.
Having stated the obligatory propaganda, you have a good team and in some ways we were lucky. (if you think questions at Coach are a problem, we’ve got one with the University President meddling in the football program!).
One astounding revelation came when Georgia linemen started tiring out. You guys live down there; how is this possible? Your coach is very classy; unlike some other SEC coaches. I hope he can get the last 10% improvement the team needs to take on ’Bama in the Conf Title game.
Hope there is a regular series of games set up; love to see your red on the blue smurf turf. Thanks for a classy environment, fan behavior and a good game y’all!
I'll take a crack at your question
One astounding revelation came when Georgia linemen started tiring out. You guys live down there; how is this possible?
Simple. Our 3 ‘n out strategy was specifically designed to try and wear down your offensive line. It didn’t work.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
obviously
meant for above post.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
I've been trying to figure out CMR's angle on that strategy.
Thanks DtD!
Success is never final. --Winston Churchill
I have a story kinda coming around in my head, but for now, I am stuck on this:
How on earth are we still throwing fly pattern passes on first down followed by a run up the middle? ( i could end it there). HOW ON EARTH ARE WE DOING 1st down bombs 3 years in a row now? We dont have Stafford and Mo Mass.
We didnt run one toss sweep. How is this possible? Been good to see a blocker in front of Crowell.
We threw a screen to Richard Samuel, requiring him to turn around to catch the ball, then turn around to run it. It was horrible.
It was 3rd and 3 and we threw a deep pass with a freshman back blocking. That freshman got us to 3rd and 3.
We didnt run a single slant, post, hot pass. We threw one, and only one out pattern. Apparently a post or hot slant isnt in the green notebook. But I tell you this: It was in BSUs and it ate us up.
We continued to run up the middle, even though it was obvious BSU has a great front 4. We didnt do anything to get to the corners with speed, which is our advantage.
We had the wrong people in for the wrong play calling. Not once did we just line up a two TE set and let Samuel just hit someone. On 4th and going for it, we lined up and ran basically a draw. Oh, and our TE didnt bother to block their end. Wrong formation, wrong people in that formation, and a busted play.
Our first TD used our skill and talent to hit the corner. The second TD was a bad call turned good by AM recognizing blown coverage and an open TE. Our 3rd TD was when we finally let Mitchelle lose, it was just a speed play, i am faster than you. BL: Our scores came on speed and skill. Not play calling.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by chuckdawg on Sep 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As a philosophy guy, though
I’m still having trouble making out the coherent distinction between “play calling” on the one hand and “utilizing our speed and skill effectively” on the other. In other words, we let Mitchell loose by….calling a play that allowed Mitchell to get loose. Right?
The second TD is the one where your analysis makes perfect sense. Sometimes it happens htis way: you call a play designed to do one thing, and something much better happens because football is football. Human error strikes the other team in just the right way at just the right time. So, we shouldn’t credit bobo for designing a TD pass on that play.
But, on the other two TDs, those were playcalls that got our potential playmakers out in space and let them make plays. This is what we want the coaches to do, yes? I’m not sure how you can say “yes, but that still isn’t anything to do with the play-calling…” Then what IS to do with the play-calling? A different play that got our playmakers out in space?
Confused in Augusta, :-)
by Xon on Sep 4, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
what i am saying is (amongst other things)
Yea, we let Mitchell lose, thats a good call. I just took 55 minutes to figure it out. Thats bad play calling.
Right on – our TDs came where we let speed get to space. So, why not do that a lot, lot, lot more? Why run up the middle against an incredible line?
But I will end with this: I can call Mitchell on a streak. We pay Bobo to do a lot more than that. I can be the OC and call streaks and runs up the middle. It’s not what plays we achieved on, its what plays we failed on. No slants, no hot passes, no outs, no sweeps with blocks. Only one grinding drive. Our OC failed to keep our O on the field. Just like against AU last year, the key to stopping a potent O is to keep your O on the field. And we didnt do that.
Give me 400k a year and I will have Mitchell run down the field and throw it to him.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Oh Xon -
you ask honest, straight forward questions and debate fairly. I appreciate the mutual respect.
Thanks for putting me on point. As a long term poster and a contributing writer, I should be able to back up my statements, you help me do that (even if poorly at times).
Thank you.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by chuckdawg on Sep 4, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec, good sir.
Same here. I enjoy reasonable discussion. It’s kinda why I’m here. :-)
by Xon on Sep 4, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Xon, and thanks, tankertoad.
I’m glad to know the site is still good for that. I know that, in my present state, I’m not, for which I apologize.
Go 'Dawgs!
The Samuel experiment might be one of this staff's most embarassing moments.
You know how in basketball a lowly school with a good football team will stick a 6’5" lineman into center? We’ve done that with running back now. Looks like the kind of thing you expect with Missouru State or Northern Iowa or some such school that cannot get a real RB…so they take tight ends and linebackers and pot them in the backfield even though they no actual ball skills.
Up next…Artie Lynch, scatback!
I thought Samuel would do better, but it appears (again) he is scarred to run into someone. He seems scared to grind. It's like after initial contact he thinks "i have to fall down now".
THIS is where we need some coaching. This is where our RB coach does his job. Samuel has the speed and size and ability,but he isnt getting smarter.
Thats ok though, because I think last year our wide out coach was our RB coach, or something.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
He doesn't have any balance.
He is too big and bulky to avoid contact and has never had balance. He is not a ballcarrier, pure and simple.
He should be the FB, frankly, though who even knows if he can catch at all…
Oh - like let him be FB and block for Crowell? Dear lord, cosmic thinking.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
yeah, but we'd have no other TB if Crowell had to come out to..you know...
PASS BLOCK / FAIL
(face planted in palm)
TT, I'm with you bud...
I couldn’t believe we ran Crowell up the middle what seemed like 6 straight plays after Boykin had scored on an end around. The middle was shut off for both teams, and even after we saw that we could get into space on the outside, we NEVER went there. I’m no offensive genius, but I’m pretty sure I would have called some toss sweeps. I wonder what would have happened if we would have run the toss with Samuel in front of Crowell. My imagination goes wild. But maybe that’s just me.
We never tried another end around of any kind. Which is what i call "bad play calling"
Now – you can go to the well once to often. I get that. But not to try some sort of end arounds at least a few more times, I have no idea.
And, btw, AU won an NC doing the same thing 10000 times.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
We ran an end-around/reverse type thingy with Mitchell
right? I’m not crazy? Tell me I’m not crazy. /mumbles
by Xon on Sep 4, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont remember that. I am not saying you are right or wrong, but
I have no recollection of a reverse type thingy with Mitchell.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Mitchell had one carry for 18 yards.
End-around.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
must have been a moment that I was trying not to break my tv. thanks for the stat.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
I think the over arching point is:
How is possible we didnt have a play with Samuel running a block for Crowell? Maybe it wouldnt work. Maybe it sucked. But how on earth did we not have it in the playbook?
No huddle, Power I, toss sweep with Samuel hitting just anyone really hard and let Crowell get to the corner. How is it this wasnt in the play book?
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by chuckdawg on Sep 4, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I recommend this comment, because the more I think on it, the more I am pissed as really confused.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
They ran it with Figgins in the backfield once or twice, and Crowell did alright when he got some space.
But if Samuel has been playing RB all summer and doesn’t know the playbook from an FB standpoint they can’t really put him in at that spot.
And that's my point. Just as VD failed to get Herschel in space in 1981, CMR failed to get Crowell in space last night.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
listen to me as if we were down at Old Chicago in Old Town:
Not one time did we get in an I and let Samuel lead block for Crowell.
Next thing: How on earth is this possible if you are a UGA football team?
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Oh and the Mitchell play
reminded me of when Richt was calling plays and we actually called plays to exploit what we had that the other team couldn’t stop. Just sayin’
Just as a reference
plays like Gibson down the sideline with a pump fake to the opposite side to have the DB on Gibson take ONE step away from Fred then hit him deep. Sounds a little like first and bomb, but then again, it’s TOTALLY different.
Y'all are great. I agree 100% here, and.....
I have to say two things:
1. Just how insulated are the players and staff from blogosphere, press, radio talk shows, etc..? Why? Because I can see an important situation evolving that is relevant to the subject of this article and the comments being made, which are spot on. I can see the players, families, and staff becoming less than thrilled with the general population of students and fans, supporters. We see these young men sacrificing their minds and bodies, giving a serious amount of effort to gain the approval of the coaching staff and earning play time during games. If they are able to read and hear all of this “more of the same”, which is sadly true, I can see a level of friction rising. Players do have the ability to think “hey, I’m killing myself to learn from my coaches and then we go out and look like a mediocre team, the fans think we’re awful, it’s not really my fault, I have done everything and more that has been expected of me.”
This friction may develop and I would think is an important part of discussions on whether a head coach should be allowed to keep his job.
2. When CMR first arrived, the “finish the drill” modus operandi was absolutely the most positive infection to plague the athletic dept. in many years. For the first time since the early 80’s, we had football games where the Dawgs did not appear to the on the edge of disaster. We were not afraid to be optimistic, hopeful, confident. There is a reason that the UGA fan base has a long history of being nervous. You all know the endless Munson quotes. Every time something good happens, we’re obsessed with the two bad things that are sure to follow. This attitude was completely erased for a few years, coincidentally aligning with conference championships and BCS presence.
We need it back and I can’t figure out why CMR does not see that. We are afraid to be good.
I think they are advised early and often to put no stock in what fans say or think
—and that’s how it should be. The coaches, I’m pretty sure, tell them they have to blow it off and let the coaches handle negativity.
This ain't right
As a great follower of the late Lewis Grizzard, I am not so sure that he would have walked away from this one. Between the gawd-awful uniforms imposed upon those Dawgs and playing in what could be arguably be called a neutral site, it was a terrible choice for a season opener.
I think there is a cse here that extends beyond this single game. Yes, we got our asses kicked and we can’t make excuses for that. But this isn’t the game we once knew, either.
Between the sports networks/media and conference efforts to create the universal super team, there is no college football anymore. What we are witnessing is the Frankenstein-ing of this sport… morphing it from amateur athletics to a for-profit competition that leaves the programs and the fans in a ugly lurch.
I began my personal following of this school/team in the mid 1970s and Vince Dooley, who had his lean years as well. But the corporate weight was not as great and the wins were less about selling product than they were the spirit of competition.
To be honest, I could have NEVER imagined Mark Richt allowing his team to be costumed and led to such a freakish spectacle as we were witness to Saturday night.
There is something deeply wrong happening… both to our game and our team.
"There's nothing wrong with Florida that a rise in ocean level wouldn't cure."
by Redoubt on Sep 4, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It started with the lights and night games
My father finally gave up his season tickets, which he’d has since the ’50s, because he lost interest in dealing with variable start times and late night drives home. The ritual (drive up in the morning, have lunch, see the game, get home at a reasonable hour) had been destroyed.
At least that’s my take on it. My brother knows more about the details, since he’s a Georgia fan, too.
There's a great deal of truth to that.
My father doesn’t have your father’s history with the school, but he and I used to make it to at least one game a year together, and usually several. He lives in South Georgia, and even a mid-afternoon kickoff isn’t practical for him any more, so we rarely get to go to games together. I worry about the impact that reality will have on cultivating team loyalty in those portions of the state lying outside Atlanta, which I fear will be much like the impact of moving World Series games to prime time, which ended baseball as a uniquely formative experience for a generation of young Americans.
Go 'Dawgs!
Classy Dawgs
Hey, I haven’t really done this before but I was trolling the message boards to see what was being said about “the Game.” I am a BSU fan — avid so I must admit this first. Second, I admit I was very nervous about this game having tremendous respect for Georgia, their tradition, players etc. etc. We were very fortunate to win a game against you. I applaud you for giving us a chance to play this game and then giving us props afterwards. We know what it is like to lose a game. It is painful. Allow me to apologize for those fans who were and are disrespectfully trolling your sites and making rude comments. It is a shame that they do this and I am embarrassed particularly when I read some of the comments by your fans. They are definitely above the fray — for the most part. And your posts’ have been particularly informative and respectful. Thank you — Member of Bronco Nation
That's the way things are here Jock
but I’ll go ahead and say “Thanks” from those of us here for your respectful words. We always appreciate having debate with members from opposing teams, but we like to do that with respect.
That’s a really, really good team you guys have. We know it, you know it, and the rest of the country knows it, even if they don’t like to admit it. Best wishes to your fans and the team, I pray they continue the season with the best of health and play each game to the best of their abilities.
Thanks, Jock.
The class of Bronco Nation has been very much on display here. Yes, there have been a few jabs in both directions that crossed the line, but every fan base has its yahoos, and, with very, very few exceptions, y’all are good people. Go Broncos.
Go 'Dawgs!
you missed out on the ban fare last night )
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
True enough, though I have gotten a full report and received appropriate feedback.
In my experience, though, those were the exceptions, even though the exceptions were vocal.
Go 'Dawgs!
I think all calls were appropriate -I cross checked with Podunk on IM just to make sure so you know.
but when you just lost, and then you tell a guy “YOU REALIZE I AM IN A BAD MOOD”. well. there you have it.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
there is something that sort of
makes me go “DUH here’s your sign” about this love of going someplace when you’ve been previously banned there or worse yet going to the opposing teams blog right after you beat them. This is just a bad idea and it’s rarely going to go well. Then after you’ve decided to do it anyway, you see things like “I’m in a bad mood” and “fair warning” and you still decide to show your back side?
I can bake like a demon.
Thanks Guys
Good luck to you and your season. We know the Dawgs will be back. Member of Bronco Nation
Hang in there UGA...
long season yet; y’all have a lot of talent and just played a very good team and could still win the East—when y’all have won the East, LSU has found a way to meet y’all coming out of the West (I hope we can, but it will be tough). BSU is a very good physical team, but they need to play a better schedule (I know they tired to upgrade, but Utah and BYU left). It may be tough to get into a better conference, but BSU could always go the Pat Hill route and play at least three decent OOC games against teams from BCS conferences (Ole Miss, Cal, and Nebraska). Do that, and win those, and you have a strong case—much stronger than the current schedule imo.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Maybe the most classy and gracious response to a BSU game..
I have ever seen. Loved Georgia. The people, the food (Daddy D’z BBQ Joynt), and the atmosphere your fans brought to the dome was more than I could have asked and well worth the trip. There is a good post on OBNUG about the strengths of the Georgia game, which I would link, but I’m pretty beat from my two layover trip and no sleep. Going to bed. Go Dawgs. Best of luck this season and, especially with our bye week, you’ll have a BIG viewership and fan support this week against SC. If any of y’all are heading this way this season, post me and let me know, I’d like to return the courtesy that was shown to us on our trip there. Cheers.
Bonum virum natura, non ordo, facit. ---- Publilius Syrus
UGA IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT RICHT
The uniforms were terrible—what about the old red jerseys and silver breeches? But, uniforms took second place to the terrible coaching. Someone said to me, “Richt is such a nice god-fearing guy who prays a lot.” I don’t care about that, what I want him to do is get off his knees and COACH! Never ever thought I’d say this but, “Get Spurrier! At least he knows how to win!”
Whoa! It's the first game.
The dysphoria is to be expected, but acting like the season is over comes across as being a little pouty. I’ll be very interested to see how Georgia’s season continues as I did in years past with Oregon and VT. The critics/fan reaction seems to be the same as it’s been the past couple years. I recall the Oregon re-match where the Ducks did not manage to get a first down until late in the 3rd quarter. The post game talk was all about how poorly the Ducks played and that they have a lot of work to do under new head coach Chip Kelly….yeah they needed a lot of work…..they went on to play in the Rose Bowl. Even VT ended up going 10-3 last year and played in the Orange Bowl. I read the article and you mentioned several times that BSU is a very good football team, but I don’t sense any sincerity. Had Georgia lost the opening game to Oklahoma rather than BSU would you still feel so dejected? It’s not BSU’s fault they aren’t in power conference, but whenever a team from a power conference loses to BSU it seems the sun is falling. College football is a cyclical sport and Auburn proved that last year by riding Cam Newton all the way to the title game, but this year they just escape Utah St, wow! So many tend to judge a football team based on tradition and past record when in many ways each year is a new start with new faces and new opponents. I know many will skip right over how BSU won the game and let their negativity take front stage by saying “we just lost to the Maaco Bowl champs”. Well if BSU played in a power conference they possibly could have been Orange bowl champs. Georgia lost to a very good football team, period. Stop acting like they lost to Chattanooga.
I'm sorry you read it that way, QUICKS, but, no, Boise State had nothing to do with my dejection.
I’ve shown the Broncos nothing but respect for the entirety of my six years in the blogosphere; search the site archives here if you don’t believe me.
I’d be just as dejected if we’d lost to Oklahoma in this way. It isn’t the loss that has me disheartened; it’s the fact that Georgia didn’t compete, or otherwise appear improved in any appreciable way from the Liberty Bowl. Oregon and Virginia Tech lost competitive games to Boise State; Georgia lost by two touchdowns in a game that was nowhere near as close on the field as the scoreboard suggested.
Go 'Dawgs!
Stated with greater concision, . . .
. . . when you go all in and lose, you’re left with nothing, and there’s no use pretending otherwise.
Go 'Dawgs!
My apologies
My post was not directed to yourself as much as it was towards some of the readers, so I do apologize. I read some comments that I thought were a little over the top and un-called for. If BSU and UGA went at it again next week I’d probably expect BSU to win, but that’s only because I watched the game and seen how and where they won. If I only had the game stats to go on I wouldn’t be confident at all.
The total yards were nearly the same, passing yards were very close, time of possession wasn’t a factor and Georgia had more rushing yards, although one run did cover 80 yds. It was the senior laden offensive and defensive lines for Boise that caused so many problems for Georgia. Without that advantage the game would have been VERY different.
Now compared to the loss Oregon suffered a couple years ago where they had 121 total yards! They only had the ball for 17 minutes; they only gained 6 first downs! There star running back now with the Tampa Buc’s only gained, oops, lost 5 yards!
Yeah! Now that is a “butt whooping” in my opinion.
I’m not being facetious, but I believe Georgia has plenty to be optimistic about. Aside from the poor play of the lines I didn’t really see any area where they were at a disadvantage. I can see why Aaron Murray had such a great freshman season. He showed some real nice touch on a couple of deep throws and he can scramble very well. As bad as the game looked for him he still threw for 236 yds…pretty dang good considering how the O-line played. Crowell is a monster! Hard to believe he’s only a freshman. And the special teams play is solid. The defense played fairly well considering they limited Moore to short passes and held Martin to 2.4 yds a carry. I think Georgia’s run D is going to impress next week.
I would like to say as a BSU fan that I really appreciated being able to watch a game like this against one of the most traditional and storied programs in the country. The Georgia fans have been very classy…..hopefully they can say the same about BSU fans. Thanks! and GO DAWGS!!!
Thanks, QUICKS.
I apologize if I was short with you; it’s been a tense weekend, and you make some very valid points. The Boise State faithful have proven themselves to be a good bunch, including you, and we wish you well going forward. Go Broncos.
Go 'Dawgs!
After reading some of the comments here I feel as if I should do something help lighten the mood.
I’m no advocate of pumping sunshine when things just plain suck, but singing this song has been used to coax jumpers off the ledge before. At least it should. And now I give you.
“Cheer up Georgia” Adapted from “Cheer up Charlie” – Original Score, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, 1971.
/sings in falsetto
You get blue like everyone
But me and Coach Richt
Can make your troubles go away
Blow away, there they go…
Cheer up, Georgia
Give me a smile
What happened to the smile I used to know
Don’t you know your grin has always
Been my sunshine;
Let that sunshine show…
Come on, Georgia
No need to frown
Deep down you know tomorrow is your toy…
When the days get heavy
Never pitter patter
Up and at’em boy
Some day, sweet as a song
Georgia’s lucky day will come along
Till that day
You’ve got to stay strong Georgia
Up on top is right where you belong
Look up, Georgia
You’ll see a star
Just follow it and keep your dreams in view
Pretty soon the sky is going to clear up
Georgia,
Cheer up Georgia,do
Cheer up Georgia
Just be glad you’re you.
Cheer up Dawgs, and go wind the SEC!
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Thanks, Xavier.
The gesture is appreciated.
For what it’s worth, I’m prepared to believe. I just now need to be provided with proof, rather than being willing to proceed based solely on faith.
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