You Won’t Hurt the Horse: A Very Late Thanks to R.E.M.’s Kind and Undeserved Invitation
So. R.E.M. broke up this week. The news hit me pretty hard, but not because I'm such a devoted fan that I can't live without them. I don’t even have all of their albums: I’m missing a couple since the quartet became a trio. I’m not wringing my hands over the loss of potential music. It wasn’t some sense of loss that got me: it was more like the taste of a cake dipped in tea. Now, I ain’t no Proust. And there are others much more qualified than I to offer a retrospective of the band’s career, so I won’t try to do that here. No, my ambition here is limited, my thoughts disjointed. So.
Let's reconstruct a fable.
Come on aboard, I promise you you won’t hurt the horse.
We treat him well, we feed him well.
There’s lots of room for you on the bandwagon,
The road may be rough, the weather may forget us,
But won’t we all parade around and sing our songs?
R.E.M., "Bandwagon"
I started at UGA in the fall of 1984. Fraternity rush was a soul-crusher. Advanced Honors Calculus with an Emphasis on Theory was an ego-killer. But I met some people who helped me maintain some level of confidence that maybe I was ok.
There was this girl. I’d like to tell you I had a crush on her, but that would be misleading. She was a couple of years ahead of me, and I knew her well enough to consider her a friend, but we weren’t what you’d call tight. She was cool in all the ways I thought people should be cool at the time. I was not. She was an ADPi and, when I first met her, looked the part with her cute brown bob and preppy dress. But she was not a silly sorority girl (many of them are not). She was a Campus Leader and brilliantly engaging. And she happened to like this local band called R.E.M.
She had their albums (vinyl, of course), but they’d only made two at the time plus an EP. Yes, I’d heard of R.E.M., but I wasn’t all that familiar with them until I met the cool girl. I wanted to be cool, too, so I listened to them. I liked them. A lot. And the concept of a local band that made music I liked but that couldn’t be heard on large-market radio was novel to me.
So I grabbed hold because I liked the music and – just being honest here – because they were cool. Enough people were into the music to give us all a common reference point -- they were ours -- but they were not superstars, so there was a sense of being special when listening to them.
By the time I saw them live for the first time at Legion Field on campus in the spring of my freshman year, it was clear that this band was not the special inside secret of a select few. It also was clear that they eventually would be international superstars. We didn’t talk about this, but we knew without a doubt that we were witnessing the early stages of something very, very big.
As Peter Buck once said of the band, "We’re the acceptable edge of the unacceptable stuff." That is what I aspired to be when I was introduced to R.E.M.: the acceptable edge of the unacceptable stuff. Fraternity rush worked out to the tune of "So. Central Rain". The beat of "Letter Never Sent" was thumping when I abandoned calculus and started taking French. I started one of the best relationships of my life with an amazing girl: "Can’t Get There From Here" (it still is a great relationship; we went somewhere else). My hair got long and I smoked cloves occasionally, starting to feel a little too free with "What If We Give It Away?", which still puts my mind in a very specific place when I hear it (so. chill.). I started hanging out downtown (a few days before everybody started hanging out downtown). I was that townie in the fraternity house and that frat boy at the Uptown. I felt like I could do anything.
Maybe I should say a thing or two about Buck’s time-machine guitar that flavored their music with just a little of the ‘60s or the lyrics that you wouldn’t understand even if you could comprehend them. But I’m really not qualified to be a music critic. I do know that the intro to "Begin the Begin" still gets me ready for something to happen, and look out if "Driver 8" or "Harborcoat" starts up, because I will sing along. Just so you know.
When I got the news that the guys were calling it quits, I got sad. It felt a little like my youth was gone. But I shouldn’t kid myself. My youth left a long time ago. And I can be honest with you, right? I wasn’t altogether comfortable with the video compilation, R.E.M. Succumbs, that came out in late 1987. A few months later, I got a little nervous when the band was featured on the cover of Rolling Stone as "America’s Best Rock and Roll Band". About this time, "The One I Love" from the album I choose to call No. 5 was getting so much airplay on mainstream radio that it actually pissed me off. It took several years for me to get over hating that song.
I guess you could say we grew apart. I have this theory that incorporating new music into one’s life past the age of around 25 requires an effort that previously wasn’t necessary, and I’ve just had other things to do. I’ve seen them live a few times since I was last enrolled at UGA in 1991. And I still buy their albums, but those first five stay on heavy rotation because, to borrow a phrase, they were the soundtrack of my college years. But I did get over hating "The One I Love" for being popular, and I got over liking R.E.M. because liking them was cool (which really are two sides of the same coin). I listened to "Losing My Religion" with a smile because it was a nice song, and they were making me proud. But as with so many things as we get older, nothing stirred me like the stuff I heard for the first time when I was 18, 19, 20, and 21.
When I was a freshman, there were only a few bars downtown; by the time I left, there were dozens. When I was a freshman, it was perfectly acceptable to have a D.J. spinning the likes of Morris Day and the Time or to have a cover band ripping tunes from the Animal House soundtrack as fraternity party entertainment; by the time I left, we had Widespread Panic in the basement. When I was a freshman, I was a scared and hungry small-town boy; by the time I left, I was wide the hell open. Did R.E.M. change me? Did it change my world? Probably not. But they were playing the whole time. The music always will remind me of where I was at the time and the great things that were happening to me.
And the cool girl who liked R.E.M.? She finished her degree in accounting, summa cum laude, grew dreads, and opened a café in a downtown Athens basement. And now she’s an associate professor of history at the University of Virginia. So. Very. Cool.
I confess to a certain affectation, in the beginning, in my initial attraction to the music. They were a vehicle I could ride out of my shell. I'm not ashamed of that. They said I could come aboard, and I did. And it's clear to me that I didn't hurt the horse.
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Just awesome.
Great job.
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
by RedCrake on Sep 22, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
While I actively dislike one and am lukewarm about the other
Gotta love that Dawgs/Spurs avatar you’ve got going on.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 22, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I've tried to put one together...
… but it just doesn’t work as well as RedCrake’s. I mean, the Toffees’ logo is a coat of arms, and there’s no single feature that one can pick out like Spurs’ rooster.
Oh, but once I tried photoshopping a Georgia “G” on top of a pile of toffee… but then I ate it. :-(
by vineyarddawg on Sep 23, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said, sir
I actually just discovered R.E.M. fairly recently (hey, you started UGA before my parents met each other), so I can’t relate to a lot of it, but. . . they do good stuff, and definitely will be missed
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 22, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
I know what you mean about incorporating new music into your life when you pass a certain age.
I do like some new stuff, but it’s just so easy to fall back on the stuff I liked when I was in high school (late 80s) and college (early 90s). There’s a LOT of variety in that period.
Did you know Nirvana’s Nevermind just turned 20? Damn, that makes me feel old.
I put a great deal of effort into searching for new music
I listen to six “song of the day” podcasts, and am in regular correspondence with friends who, like me, have always considered music to be an important part of their lives.
The problem is that, even with all that effort, I hear maybe two or three new things a year I like enough to buy. I do better listening to rereleases of long out-of-print things that I missed or were to young for when they were new.
That's interesting CraigT
I recently sent out an email that I was listening to Blind Willie Johnson. I am a forever (25 years running) Led Zepplin fan, and for whatever reason, I never thought to search out the original Blind Willie that Led Zepplin took so much from (among Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead as well). I go to youtube and BOOM, 1927 Blind Willie.
So – I am going, way, way backwards rather than more 2011.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Outstanding piece.
(which makes me now ask, if authors compliment our fellow authors, does that get into some realm of butt kissing?)
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
the term
is “logrolling”
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"The One I Love"...
…was the first R.E.M. song I ever heard, listening on a friend’s Walkman (remember those?) on a school bus hauling the Westover Junior Classical League to Atlanta for Fall Forum. While Poison and the rest of the hair bands were providing the soundtrack for most of my friends’ coming of age, I quickly worked my way backwards through the catalog. One of the first things I noticed was that I didn’t know half of what Stipe was singing, but Mike Mills’ bass lines (to this day) remain some of the most interesting melodies I’ve ever heard. Many a “country coolin’” dirt road cruisin’ trip with my buddies had Buck’s jingle-jangle along for the ride. My first attempt at journalism was my review for my high school paper of R.E.M.’s Green tour show in Macon, the first time my parents let me leave town to go to a concert. I still celebrate the first cool, crisp day of autumn with brown likker and a couple of tracks off “Murmur” and “Reckoning”.
“Driver 8” was the first song I learned to play all the way through on the guitar.
The 1972 orange Toyota Land Cruiser I drove in high school was nicknamed the “Orange Crush”.
I am still proud of the fact that Mike Mills is a great Dawg fan, as proved that Thursday night in the mid-90’s when he debated Darius Rucker on that weekend’s GA/SC game on ESPN. Rucker gave the usual pollyannish Gamecock rah-rah-we’re-going-to-kick-Georgia’s-behind…only to be stunned into submission by Mill’s detailed breakdown of Georgia’s strengths and probable gameplan. When Mills won the AJC’s NCAA Men’s basketball Bracket Challenge a couple of years later, that only strengthened my devotion to R.E.M. as local boys done good.
When I was at UGA, Weaver D of “Automatic for the People” fame catered my fraternity’s dinners that year. He was so excited when he was leaving for the Grammys…he was going to get up on stage with the band if they won album of the year. Sadly, they didn’t, but Weaver didn’t care. He loved those guys and was so honored to be a part of their success. “Automatic!”
One of my fondest memories is seeing the boys at Chastain Park in 1999. They put on a great show, and dug deep into the well to pull out “Gardening At Night” in the second set. It was comical to see everyone 30-something and older going ape over the selection, while all the kids who were introduced to the band with “Losing My Religion” looked around and said, “What the hell is this song?” Ah, kids.
A real treat: At the night before New Year’s Panic show at Philips Arena a couple years’ back, Mike Mills joined the band onstage for a rendition of “(Don’t Go Back to) Rockville”. Same reaction as the kids at that Chastain show. Funny.
My favorite concert moment came recently, when they played Lakewood. Of course, they played some of their current album’s tunes, but again they went back into the vault and played a song near and dear to me, “Time After Time (Ann Elise)”. That song is special because my oldest daughter will always be associated with it, as we named her Annalise. I wish I could say it was because of the song, but I must not have been a good enough fan. It turned out to be a happy coincidence. (I kid my wife that we were going to name her Azalea Merlot Dawglicious, but them’s just jokes, ma’am.)
NCT, I cannot improve on what you wrote up above. I can only hope that I added to it. I’ve been bummed all day knowing that a small part of my growing up has come to an end. Other people should be so lucky to have their favorite band last as long as R.E.M.
Now, if Panic can just hold on another 20-30 years for me….
“Looking at your watch a third time, waiting at the station for the bus…”
by Dawglicious on Sep 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
most excellent
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Brother?
Weaver D catered my fraternity’s suppers for a bit. Lunch was a meal plan at the Mayflower.
And I remember my Walkman dearly. I still have it. I remember how it slipped so neatly into the inside “pocket” of my Levi’s jacket while I listened to Dreams So Real on my way to Moore College across the Herty Field parking lot. Like. It. Was. Yesterday.
And the summer of 1989, I clerked for a London solicitor. R.E.M. played Wembley that summer. [blink] I didn’t make the show.
That summer I found a couple of ways to soothe mild cases of homesickness.. One was to carry a big handful of U.S. coins in a pocket of my backpack — just sticking my hand in there and feeling the coins sliding over my hand and between my fingers was a good way to touch base with the familiar. The other way was to carry a handful of R.E.M. cassettes and listen on my Walkman while gazing out the train window on weekend solo sightseeing trips.
by NCT on Sep 22, 2011 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dream so real
damn, son. who you gonna name drop next? pylon? kilkenny cats?
/slaps “Athens Inside/Out” into the betamax
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Somebody somewhere, probably on Facebook ...
… posted some scanned images of Athens weekly club ads from the ‘80s — you know: the coming week’s schedule at the 40 Watt, for example. It reminded me that I saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers at one point just because it was something to do, and a friend of a friend had heard of them from somewhere.
I have certain feelings about my time in Athens and getting wastefully drunk in front of bands of varying quality and notoriety that are regrettably similar to the feelings I have about my academic experience: I was there; I got a hell of a lot of good out of it; I wish I’d paid more attention and taken better advantage.
I meant to include in the post that I’ve seen R.E.M. live fewer times since 1991 than before and for A LOT more money.
Scarily similar to my own feelings of my college daze
I have certain feelings about my time in Athens and getting wastefully drunk in front of bands of varying quality and notoriety that are regrettably similar to the feelings I have about my academic experience: I was there; I got a hell of a lot of good out of it; I wish I’d paid more attention and taken better advantage.
I’m not sure if I could agree more with a sentence when comparing it to my own experience at UGA. There aren’t many experiences like going to school in Athens, GA.
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.
Does "jangly" guitar work?
Like the Byrds, but with only six strings?
I only saw R.E.M. twice. The first was at the Piedmont Park Arts Festival in the Spring of 1982. I had no idea who they were, but a coworker at WREK convinced me to cut class (not a great feat, that) and go with her to the very early afternoon show. This was after the “Radio Free Europe” single but before the Chronic Town EP, which gives me pretty good R.E.M. cred, although what I remember most is how the sound system kept screwing up.
The second time was in 1995 when the two of us saw the Monster tour in the other Columbus.
R.E.M. came along a little late to be my college soundtrack, and none of the local (Atlanta and Athens) bands I saw in those years lasted very long. It was a short walk through the tunnel to the Agora Ballroom, which mostly showed touring bands but on Wednesdays showcased local talent (with seventy-five cent cover and seventy-five cent mixed drinks, although one could find coupons at the student center good for free cover). There I saw the Swimming Pool Q’s, the Brains, the Method Actors, Arms Akimbo, the Late Bronze Age (Bruce Hampton’s band at the time) and many others I probably didn’t remember the next day.
In addition, there was Rose’s Cantina, on Spring Street just through the tunnel and conveniently located next to the Varsity for pre-show snacks. That location didn’t really hit its stride, though, until it was named after its address and became 688. By that time I was working for WREK and could get on the guest list for 688 just by calling ahead. And I did.
I guess the soundtrack for my college years wasn’t a specific band or two but an environment. Those were amazing times for post-punk DIY music. Working at WREK exposed me to a large and diverse collection of music, and the Agora and 688 allowed me to see it performed.
(And that, people, is what I was doing at Tech instead of playing Dungeons and Dragons; I was seeing tons of bands and meeting Devo and Iggy Pop (separate nights and venues) backstage.)
you want jangly guitar?
you need to get yoself some love tractor, son.
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kleph . . .
Love Tractor references are yet another reason you’re among our favorite Bama fans. And I’ll see your Love Tractor and raise you a Guadalcanal Diary.
i'll match your guadalcanal diary
and raise you a let’s active.
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flat duo jets
the connells.
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One of my favorite Athens band from my college years
Fuzzy Sprouts.
And apparently they just played at Georgia Theatre.
Many an evening of debauchery was ended by listening to Feelin Like a Nihilist from “The Fuzzy Sprouts Picture Show” live album.
Delightfully strange band.
Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
I first learned of R.E.M. from Mike Mills' dad . .
I was waiting tables at the Pizza Hut located (formerly) across from Parkaire Mall in Marietta. He was a nice gut and was so proud of his son that I felt obliged to look into the band when the opportunity arose. “Radio Free Europe” was my introduction, as I recall.
Though I was never a huge R.E.M. fan (I only have about six of their albums and always thought Stipe was creepy), I must confess a special pride in the Athens’ music scene for which R.E.M. was the cornerstone.
For the music and the legacy in Athens, we all owe them a special salute.
But I must also tip my hat to Mr. Mills, Mike’s dad, for the heads up.
Eating in at Pizza Hut can give a nice gut anyhow.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by chuckdawg on Sep 22, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NCT I wasn’t trying to be a jerk. I just thought it was cool she was writing a book about Athens. If I stepped out of line I am sincerely sorry.
Understood.
Since NCT was careful not to name the “cool girl,” we hid your previous comment revealing her identity, out of respect for her privacy. We understand that there was no ill will involved, and everything’s cool. We appreciate your understanding.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 23, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i backed into r.e.m. about the same time
although i’m clearly a few years younger. living in the cultural wasteland of north louisiana in the 80s offered few options once you figured out pink floyd’s the wall wasn’t the greatest album evar. but then two things happened.
the first was night tracks. you see, not that many folks had cable back then so MTV might have been something you went over to a friends house to watch. night tracks was on late friday nights and you might be able to convince some girl whose parents were out to watch it with you. (romantic progress was always a challenge due to the proliferation of douche commercials they ran on WTBS late at night.)
funny thing about night tracks though. they played a lot of great stuff. as much as we think this was the golden era of MTV the truth is you got a lot of pat benatar and glen frey and very little of the good stuff. watching 12 crap videos in a row to get to the great one was common. and one night they showed this quirky video for R.E.M. and i was straight hooked.
it somehow filled that musical curiosity within me we all have in our teenage years for something completely different but was still so strangely recognizable. the musical template came from the AOR 70s radio i grew up on and many of the images from the video were pretty much right out of my life in louisiana. but then they threw in all this other stuff i wanted to hear more of.
then came epiphany no. 2 – college radio. there was a great station at the local university and by the end of my junior year of high school i was working there. r.e.m. became a key participant in my life because that was when they were just cranking out this era-defining stuff NCT describes so well above.
but, buck was right in noting the band was “the acceptable edge of the unacceptable stuff” and suddenly i had this gigantic library of the latter to start exploring with vigor. in a lot of ways, r.e.m. became my guide through this sea of “alternative” music. because while we hold all certain albums from that era up as landmarks today, the fact is those were few and far between – there was a hell of a lot of crap you had to listen to to find them. if buck or mills name dropped someone in an interview, it was always worth it to dig that vinyl out of the stack and give it a listen. and, usually, when you listened to it and went back to that r.e.m. album, you could figure out how they were using it themselves.
so, yeah, there’s a ton of nostalgic melancholy wrapped up in r.e.m. calling it quits. and i’m probably going to let myself succumb to it a little bit like everyone else my age. but the fact is this band is a hell of a lot more than just some guys that played a song or two that reminds me of way back when. buck, mills, stipe and berry gave me something incredibly important all those years ago that has made my life all the more richer and more satisfying for it. and for that, i have to say “thank you.”
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I might have downplayed the personal impact somewhat.
I am pathologically sentimental. I sometimes am not sure where to draw the line between sentimental value and artistic value or if a line can be drawn at all for me. I also wanted to acknowledge the fact that I wasn’t cool enough to have sought out musical experiences, but maybe that I was cool enough to have taken advantage of them when they presented themselves was enough.
I still listen to those albums a lot. That my aesthetic triggers may be immediately adjacent to or overlap with my nostalgic ones is a possibility. And I’m perfectly willing to accept that the mechanism that ties the music to me is a complicated thing with lots of moving parts.
I do remember liking a lot of Top 40 in my early teens, but I also remember the “Huh? What’s that? A little more, please?” feeling when early Police, for example (entirely absent from the radio around my parts), managed to break into my environment between Olivia Newton John and Christopher Cross.
by NCT on Sep 23, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very well done, NCT
I can honestly saw these guys when they were just starting to create the local buzz, having attended my first real “after party” where these guys were playing. It felt so totally underground since I was barely out of high-school, but began to blend in as I was just part of a pretty large crowd and an even larger vibe. I drank quite a bit and may have eaten a funny tasting brownie or two, but that was really one of my first real “coming of age” experiences and R.E.M. just happened to be a part of it. How cool is that? I saw them play quite a few times after that until they went supersonic. I don’t think I ever saw them play live again after 1983 which was an impromptu gig at the old Stitchcraft Mill off of Oconee Street.
Anyway, I’m really proud of R.E.M. for doing what they did for so long. And am thankful for being able to see a little bit of history in the making.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Outstanding
Seriously ground floor. By the time I got to Athens in ‘84, purists might say that the true underground stuff was over. The B-52’s had come and gone (to NY and points beyond); Pylon had come and just gone. Folks were pretty well aware of what we had going on by that time. But it did pretty much explode, and while college towns all over the country had become tour stops for “the unacceptable stuff”, Athens was a (if not the) premier tour stop and somehow produced a disproportionate share of it. And of course musicians moved to Athens to play and record.

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