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My quick(ish) realignment thoughts

I assume one thing, and then I really only have one major point to offer to the maelstrom of commentary that is already taking place.

Assumption:  It is all about money (I also have no problem with that, if anyone wants to throw down a politico-economico-moral argument over the matter). Things like football tradition, cultural "fit", and so forth do play some role in this, but not in a "we have to pick a school that meets these criteria" kind of way. Rather, the school that is the best money fit will, almost by definition, be the best combination of those other criteria as well. The other stuff is already "included" in the price, as it were. When you take into account the headaches of travelling and getting along in all the other sports, cultural fit and geographical proximity and so forth pretty much become part of the money equation, and not some extra considerations that you have to worry about after you've figured out which option is the best economically.

So, What I'm Thinking

It's all wrong to ask "who is the 14th SEC team?" in a vaccuum, and then pick apart the various possible candidates in terms of this or that. The 14th team in, frankly, is going to be a very fortunate program that is getting in because the SEC basically needs somebody to come in along with Texas A & M.

It's all about the money, yes, but the money issue is "won" already by bringing in Texas A & M. At that point, you simply need to bring in a 14th, and almost any 14th will do. It doesn't even matter if the 14th team sets you back a bit in terms of money, because overall you are picking up gains by adding Texas A & M and that team.

In other words, the decision is not, given that we have 13 teams, who should the 14th be? Rather, the decision is, given that we have 12 teams, does expansion to 14 make sense? The answer to that question (apparently) is that, yes, it absolutely makes sense if Texas A & M is one of the two schools added. That is the necessary and sufficient condition for expansion to make sense. The particular identity of the 14th school is almost an afterthought. Which is why whoever finds their way in to that slot should give their AD a raise (or, in the case of WVU, perhaps just call this year a wash).

Think of it this way. Right now each of the 12 members of the SEC makes $X per year as a result of their conference membership. By adding Texas A&M, each of the 13 members are going to make some new amount $X + n. Something higher than the current X (and it's probably a home run, no-doubt-about-it kind of number that makes the decision a no-brainer). Now, at that point, sitting with 13 teams making $X + n per year, you need a 14th team for a variety of reasons. But it's entirely possible that there is no 14th team you can bring in that will move the money needle up any further. It may even knock it down a bit. Maybe no matter who the 14th team is, the per school share of money in the new 14-team conference is going to be something smaller than $X + n. But, that's completely, unequivocally, absolutely...OK. It does not matter if the 14th team down-ticks you just a bit, so long as you're still going up on the net compared to what you're making with only 12 teams. I think that's the situation the SEC is in here. Texas A&M as number 13 makes a lot more money for everyone. At that point, logistically we need a 14th. The 14th just needs to be someone that still lets the dust settle with a lot more money than the member schools currently make, even if that 14th school doesn't actually add (or even if it slightly detracts, theoretically) anything more to that number.

SEC schools will end up making more with A&M-plus-one than they currently make, so the whole move to go to 14 is a net gainer. That being the case, the 14th just needs to be a reasonable team. Not a homerun. Not a crown jewel. Not an excitement machine. Just a warm body that can hold its own and allows the conference to have 14 instead of 13. This is why the SEC is likely not in any hurry to go "recruit" anyone in particular. In the coming chaos, someone who works will come calling, and that will be fine.

So Who Will It Be?

Of course, the SEC isn't literally going to take just anyone. Frankly, I think you basically just have to ask and be a non-terrible program in a current AQ conference. That is a pretty modest criterion, but not everyone can meet it. I imagine it will be a team not already in an SEC footprint state, and probably not in the ACC (now that they're re-upping thier walkaway fee and showing some solidarity; I think an ACC school such as NC State or Virginia Tech  would fit the bill if they asked, but I don't think any will ask. I could be wrong.).

Among the current most obvious subjects of banter, West Virginia and Mizzou would both do, although West Virginia is preferable because they would go into the east and not require any further re-shuffling of the divisions. If the rumors are true, West Virginia is about to ask, and there you go. 

It doesn't matter if WVU does or does not bring in more eyeballs in the Pittsburgh market or anywhere else. It doesn't matter if the Mountaineers are a non-tight cultural fit, as long as they aren't absurd (and, honestly, they're about right). It doesn't even matter if WVU is a net money-loser in its own right. The issue is that, with A&M joining, the SEC is going to make more money per school than it does currently. A team like WVU coming in at that point is still going to maintain a net gain in per school money, even if WVU technically ticks it backwards a bit.

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While our preferences ultimately diverge, . . .

. . . your analysis is correct. Texas A&M is the economic home run that allows a single to suffice on the other side. For me, that mitigates in favor of a cultural (almost sentimental) pick, but, whichever way we go, your mathematics are sound.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 19, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm seeing 4 conferences of 16...

Pac 16 (adding Texas, Texas Tech, and the Okies), Big 10 (adding Notre Dame and some Big East and Big 12), the ACC (gobbling up UConn and another Big East), and us (raiding I guess the Big East and Big 12 like every one else, unless we steal an ACC team forcing them to go deeper in to the Big East).

Below that, you have 3 mid majors, MAC, Conference USA and the Mountain West gobbling up the remnants-Boise, Baylor, SMU, Iowa St, TCU? BYU, Louisville, USC, UCF, Memphis, etc.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 20, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So this would be the lead in to a playoff.

/long term conspiracy masterplan?

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by chuckdawg on Sep 20, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see the demise of the BIG 6 AQs

into 4 super 16 conferences. THE SEC, PAC 16, Big-16 and the ACC (a compliation of the ACC and Big East), resulting into the reformation of the Div 1 schools as 64 teams. Then a 16 team play-off schedule. JMHO

I HATE 35 (ORANGE)

by Dawg2011 on Sep 20, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

we're all just speculating humbly here, of course

But connecting this to your post directly, Dawg2011, the clear thing to me is that 16 team super conferences will use a four-division format for their scheduling. Then the four division champs will play for a conf championship. Then the four conference champions become the “final 4” for the national play-off.

I’m pretty impressed with the possibility of a four-division SEC. It would work great, I think, so long as poor ol’ LSU (most likely) doesn’t lose too many of their traditional annual rivalries.

by Xon on Sep 20, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly a +1...

with the 4 supers having a champions semi and winners in the +1?

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 20, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can really see something like that. After sleeping on it, I believe this is a long term move towards some sort of playoff system.

It maybe 5 -10 years (close to ten), but at least a +1 system I can see on the way. Super conferences must have a negative yield at some point I would think; you cant have all the “best” schools.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by chuckdawg on Sep 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, our preferences line up pretty well

I also would like to see Clemson added. I just still think we’re not going to violate the possibly-mythical gentleman’s agreement. If we do violate it, Clemson should be added tomorrow.

by Xon on Sep 19, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Media Market Addition

If the addition of a new and robust media market is part of any unspoken criteria, then I would think that VT would be a front runer for the 14th team. I personally like the idea of adding a juggernaut like FSU only for big game potential. Common sense and what feels right in my mind is actually WV.

2 years to the Cup

by Caniac233 on Sep 21, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

One observation...OK maybe two

Or three.

First – It would appear that Xon cannot post without including some amount of math…

Second – I hate math and all other disciplines that claim to make finite order out of the inherent infinite ambiguities of all things human.

Third – The SEC should take Clemson because I hate Clemson and could hate them more perfectly if we were able to play them more.

by TWOGUNDAWG on Sep 22, 2011 2:20 AM EDT reply actions  

A few thoughts from your new SEC friends

Howdy! Aggies are all still pinching ourselves that we have finally gotten over the finish line and joined the best conference in America!

That said, one thing this has done for us in the last year is give us a lot of insight into how this process works. The best way to think of it is to rate schools by 4 criteria, they are not all equal, but they all count. These aren’t specific to the SEC per se but they actually end up rating about the same with every conference in truth (esp the SEC, Big 1G, Pac 12, and ACC).

1. Adding TV Markets-This is the obvious one. Every school rates as a negative (meaning they don’t add enough fans to pull their weight in terms of payout), neutral, or a positive. A fantastic article every college football fan should read is this, it shows incredible insight as to what schools bring to the table: http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

2. Academics-This means a lot more than most realize. You have to remember that the votes that really count come from University Presidents. They are academics who are deeply concerned about protecting their academics and like the opportunity to make their status better. The gold standard is AAU membership. Schools that have it want other schools with it and those who don’t have it want to be around schools who do. This is especially important to a school like Georgia that is trying hard to get in the AAU and has a better resume than most current AAU members.

3. Athletic program and football facilities-This is obviously important but overrated by 90% of fans. Wonder why OU got turned down by the Big 1G and Pac 12? It’s because they are strong on this but weak on the other 3. Still, a school needs to show they can step up and compete otherwise they won’t make a compelling add. For instance VT’s AD was quoted as saying many ACC schools fear joining the SEC because they don’t want 100k stadiums and $5 million coaches. Even if you don’t have those facilities today your willingness to have them should match up with your conference. If they are strong in other sports that also helps a great deal.

4. Regional and cultural fit. Does a school fit well traditionally with the conference and are they geographically close enough.

So rate the contenders on a scale of 1-10, 5 being a neutral grade:

West Virginia
TV-3
Academics-1
Athletics-8
Culture-7

Mizzou
TV-8
Academics-8 (AAU member)
Athletics-5
Culture-5

Florida State
TV-5
Academics-5
Athletics-8
Culture-9

Clemson
TV-3
Academics-5
Athletics-7
Culture-10

North Carolina
TV-9
Academics-10 (AAU member)
Athletics-8 (elite in non football)
Culture-7

by aggie93 on Sep 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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