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Mid-Afternoon Dawg Bites: Soccer Karma, David Greene, and How We Could be Heroes Just for One Game

It is said in the law (not altogether accurately) that every dog gets one free bite, but, sometimes, one set of Dawg bites will not suffice, and, therefore, I bring you a few additional nuggets upon which to chew this Free Form Friday afternoon:

This is why he’s one of our two favorite Kirks who are likely to be present at this year’s Dragon*Con! I am referring, of course, to SB Nation Atlanta regional editor Jason Kirk, and not just because he had nice things to say about our preview of the Bulldogs’ bye week. He also made us aware that Akeem Dent has inked a four-year deal with your hometown Atlanta Falcons, and Dent is being called on in class by Brian VanGorder, so, basically, there’s former Georgia coach and player news breaking out all over the place!

In other noteworthy news reported at SB Nation’s Atlanta hub, Bob Bradley has been fired as the coach of the U.S. men’s national soccer team and replaced by Count Axel Wintergrin from the William F. Buckley, Jr., spy novel Stained Glass some German guy. This matters to us chiefly because vineyarddawg is an American soccer fan who wanted Bradley fired, and got what he wanted. Does this mean all of vineyarddawg’s favorite teams are on the upswing (in which case, this is good news for Georgia), or does it mean there’s only so much vineyarddawg good karma to go around, and the soccer team just got all of it (in which case, the ‘Dawgs are doomed)? You know which way I’m leaning, but I’m interested in your perspective, as well.

David Greene could still be the winningest Division I-A quarterback whose last name doesn’t begin with "M." I hadn’t realized this until I read it at One Bronco Nation Under God, but Kellen Moore is on a pace to finish his career with the Boise St. Broncos as the winningest quarterback in major college football history. Moore is 38-2 as a starter, and the NCAA record currently belongs to the Texas LonghornsColt McCoy, whose 45 career wins as a starter eclipsed the mark of 42 set by David Greene during his playing days in Athens from 2001 to 2004. It’s inconceivable that Moore won’t surpass Greene this season, but, dad gum it, I don’t want him taking a step in that direction against Greene’s old team. I hope Greene is in the Georgia Dome on September 3, and I hope someone tells the current bunch of Bulldogs to win this one for the Greener.

Save the cheerleader, save the world. Senator Blutarsky is right: "The Heroes Game" between two newly-minted conference rivals, the Iowa Hawkeyes and the Nebraska Cornhuskers, brings Big Ten haughtiness to an even more comical level, which didn’t seem possible after the expanded Midwestern league dubbed its divisions "Leaders" and "Legends." Some schools’ fans are responding with appropriate degrees of sarcasm, leaving me to wonder whether we in Bulldog Nation shouldn’t follow suit. We already have the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party with the Florida Gators, the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry with the Auburn Tigers, and Clean Old-Fashioned Hate with the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, and I’m doing my darnedest to hang the "Fighting Like Cats and Dogs" moniker on our soon-to-be-resumed rivalry with the Clemson Tigers, but where do we go from there? What could we call, for instance, the Georgia Bulldogs’ yearly tussles with the Kentucky Wildcats, the South Carolina Gamecocks, the Tennessee Volunteers, and the Vanderbilt Commodores? Be creative, preferably without being (overly) nasty.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Oh, I'm sure that Klinsmann's hiring has used up all the good karma in my sports bucket.

Juergen Klinsmann’s hiring represents a seismic shift in power in the United States soccer landscape. The primary reason JK hadn’t been hired two years ago was that he wanted complete control over all of the youth teams (under-23, under-21, under-18, etc.) and talent development programs, and Sunil Gulati (the president of the US Soccer Federation) wasn’t going to give up that kind of control for anything. Klinsmann has said for years in many public interviews that he thinks US Soccer isn’t properly utilizing the unique soccer landscape in the United States to develop its players, and had already put out some proposals on how to overhaul the way the USSF goes about its youth organization.

The details will ostensibly be forthcoming in the press conference on Monday, but if Gulati has hired Klinsmann as his national team coach, that would be like George Steinbrenner hiring John Schuerholtz as his general manager and then allowing him to completely overhaul the organization and farm system with no interference at all. It’s practically unthinkable.

The amount of interstellar, supernatural interference required to pull off a deal of this magnitude practically ensures that I have used up all my sporting mojo for at least the next 12 months, if not 18 months. I’m just a “mojo spectator” from here on out… I can’t contribute at all (other than negative mojo, of which I’m sure I still have plenty).

So I’ve done my part on the soccer side… the rest of y’all will have to pick up the slack on football. :-)

by vineyarddawg on Jul 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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Klinsmann has said for years in many public interviews that he thinks US Soccer isn’t properly utilizing the unique soccer landscape in the United States to develop its players

How and where does Klinsmann begin to mine and assess the talent that we have in this country? It’s not like high school football (as opposed to futbol) where you have a huge talent pool and an entire industry (legitimate and otherwise) singularly devoted towards evaluating these kids like Scout, Rivals et al. I have absolutely no clue as to how soccer talent is ultimately evaluated in the U.S.

Anyway, I’m so jacked I just ate a schnitzengruben.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 29, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

this belongs here.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I ain't touching the wurst joke with a 10-foot... uh, well. Moving on.

In most countries around the world, the professional soccer clubs have their own academies, where kids with promising young talent (frequently from disadvantaged circumstances) spend hours every day playing soccer while being tutored in the academy’s private school. (These academies operate “free” to the participants because the clubs that run the academies own the professional rights to the kids from their academies.)

In the USA, however, the “best” very young talent is culled from competition teams and traveling squads which are usually comprised of middle-to-upper-class children, because the kids participating in the squads have to pay their own way to all the competitions, etc. Kids who can’t afford the traveling circus, if they stay with soccer at all, don’t get “discovered” until they play in high school or, sometimes, in college.

There is also a disconnect between colleges and the “traveling circus” teams, because the circus teams have a reputation as the “best and brightest,” while most college programs have developed reputations as killers of creativity and not just poor talent developers, but actual talent-killers. (This is because of a perception, not altogether unfounded, that college coaches aren’t concerned with building a players talent for the next level, just with winning as many games as they can in college so they keep their job.)

I’m sure that I’m brushing over some of the finer nuances of the differences in the American youth game vs. the rest of the world, and to be honest, I have absolutely no idea how one would use that difference to our advantage. Klinsmann seems to have a plan, though… and that’s a very good thing.

by vineyarddawg on Jul 29, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danke

I guess Klinsmann has much work to do. I hope he has a plan. It may be to identify, among all the thousands of kids that play soccer, the ones with real talent, and convince these kids to stay dedicated to soccer over the long haul…before the lure of traditional American sports kick in. Good luck with that.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 29, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure he's lived over here for a while (moved here after his playing career ended)

and been Americanized. I’m curious what’s unique about our soccer landscape.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he's lived in California pretty much ever since he retired from soccer in 1998.

His wife, if I’m not mistaken, is originally from California. In fact, he even played on a semi-pro team in Orange County under a pseudonym for one season.

Klinsmann really seems to like the U.S., as well. While he was the coach of the German national team, he received quite a bit of criticism for not moving back to Germany. He basically lived in California and flew back and forth between his home and Germany when his coaching duties required him to be with the team. (Unlike professional club teams, national team coaches actually have long stretches where there’s basically nothing to do other than evaluate the talent that’s available in your talent pool, due to the long club seasons.)

At any rate, I’m encouraged to see what will come down the road.

by vineyarddawg on Jul 30, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

cautiously optimistic I guess would be the phrase to use.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

UGA - Vandy

“We know you’re smarter than us but losing to you is embarrassment to everyone” game.

UGA – SC

“You stole one of Herschel’s Heisman’s” game.

UGA -UK

“Here is your annual beatdown, no, it’s not basketball season yet” game

UGA – UT

“We done tolt ya twice about Lane Kiffen you illiterate hillbillies” game.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Since we typically play Tennessee and Vanderbilt so closely together on the schedule...

… and both games are either “home” or “away” for Georgia, I think we could jointly call the annual Tennessee and Vanderbilt games the Bulldog Naval Campaigns. (Get it? Because of the Volunteer Navy and because Commodores are naval officers?)

We could refer to the season’s results as “including a sweep of the naval campaigns,” or “a split of the naval campaigns.”

by vineyarddawg on Jul 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of Tennessee and Vandy

Would it be possible to petition the SEC and change our schedule so we alternate those guys so one year Tenn. is home and Vandy is away? We could offer to play Vandy on the road two years in a row, then go back to home and home.

The purpose is so we do not travel to Tennessee twice in two weeks and so we can even out our home schedule. Many years we go a month without playing in Sanford, AND we sometimes have four consecutive weeks of home games.

by Vinings Dog on Jul 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

let me see:

does this make sense? yes. Then it won’t happen.

It’d be worth sending the AD a letter though, and its a good deal for Vandy. Win / Win.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does make sense, but the reason it won't happen is that it throws everything else off kilter.

Although it would be gracious of us to agree to play Vanderbilt in Nashville two years in a row, every SEC team plays four conference home games and four conference road games every year. (We don’t think of it that way, because one of our games is a neutral site game, but we have three conference games in Sanford Stadium in the years we wear red jerseys in Jacksonville, and we have four conference games in Sanford Stadium in the years we wear white jerseys in Jacksonville. It may be purely symbolic, but it still counts.)

This year, Vanderbilt hosts Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, and Ole Miss in Nashville and plays Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee on the road. If the Commodores suddenly started playing the Bulldogs on the road in odd-numbered years and at home in even-numbered years, instead of the other way around, some other annual Vandy series would have to be flip-flopped to accommodate that change. Please also note that Vanderbilt plays Georgia at home in the years the Commies face the Gamecocks, the Gators, and the Volunteers on the road. Asking Vandy to start playing Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Tennessee on the road every odd-numbered autumn would be more than a little bit of a burden.

Basically, you can’t shift just one series; you’d have to switch a bunch of them. I don’t like making back-to-back trips to the Volunteer State, either, but it’s not as simple as making one swap. A lot of moving parts, affecting multiple teams, would be involved, and I’d much rather focus on a guaranteed open date before the Florida game every other year than expend political capital on this.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 29, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasonable explanation. Thank you.

I just never thought out what Vinings Dog said: we have odd stretches of away games in certain years. I have noticed it subconsciously, but never looked at the schedule. It would be nice to alternate weekends a little more evenly. I betcha our AD notices this as well. I truly think his schedule tweaking, already underway, will benefit us greatly.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 29, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Of course, we’ve seen a lot of schedule revamping over the last couple of decades; remember, each of our undergraduate careers had come and gone before we ever saw a Georgia football season in our lifetimes that didn’t end with Florida, Auburn, and Georgia Tech back-to-back-to-back. When the SEC went to 12 teams and two divisions in 1992, we opened every year for a while with South Carolina in the opener and Tennessee the week after that. Greg McGarity has already tweaked the schedule some.

What seems more likely than playing Vanderbilt at home in odd-numbered years is breaking up the Tennessee-Vanderbilt block so that the two trips to Tennessee in the same year are separated by a few weeks. As a season ticket holder who rarely misses a home game but seldom attends road games anymore, I am very conscious of the long stretches away from Athens every other year. If we could situate the Vanderbilt game before a tough test that alternates years (e.g., Vandy at home before a tough team on the road, Vandy on the road before a tough team at home), that could fix the problem without juggling the entire conference schedule.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

make it so!

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 29, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Vandy grad and Georgia fan

The UGA – VU game would be something along the lines of the “Choose Which Tie To Wear Bowl”. These are the important questions, after all.

by CommDawg on Jul 29, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Less Important Rivalry Nicknames

Okay, I’ll fish in.

UGA and UT should obviously play each year for possession of the coveted “Hobnail Boot.” Shoe company sponsorship should be easy.

UGA and Vandy could play for the “Lightning Rod,” since Vandy victories typically occur like a bolt from the blue.

UGA and USC: the obvious, bad pun is “Cock ‘n’ Bull-Dawg Story.” Another possibility, if it does not raise ethnic slur issues, is the “Cracker/Cackalaky Classic.”

The most difficult is UGA/Kentucky, though maybe something like the “Jim Beam Classic” would work, since it represents a product that Kentuckians produce and Georgia fans love to consume. Again, sponsorship possibilities are a plus, perhaps with an auction among bourbon distilleries.

Best I can come up with on a Friday afternoon.

by donkeydawg on Jul 29, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I like your ideas, but one is taken:

I love the idea of the cracker/cackalaky classic. I think I may just start calling it that from now on. In fact Kyle, please call it that for the open thread!

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's nice, . . .

. . . and, since the Red and Black were the Crackers before they were the Bulldogs, the historical nature of the nomenclature ought to render it socially acceptable.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 29, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

crackers

I’ve always called myself a Cracker (or, to borrow Roy Blount, Jr.‘s term, a Crackro-American), and don’t really care that others consider it derogatory. It’s “my people,” and I can make fun of them (and myself) if I want to. And while the term is somtimes applied to southern (or even non-southern downscale) white folk generally, it has a special meaning to Georgians of all backgrounds. Or at least it should. Kinda like the ubiquitous “Hoosiers” of Indiana.

by donkeydawg on Jul 29, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the great Minor League teams ever.


Once known as “The Yankees of the Minors”

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 29, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponce de Leon Park, Home of the Crackers

I still sense the ghosts when I go to that strip mall where Ponce de Leon Park once stood.

For a brief while there in the early 60s a lot of the Cracker games were actually broadcast on local Atlanta TV. They weren’t America’s Team, but they were Georgia’s.

by donkeydawg on Jul 29, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the centerfield

magnolia tree still there?

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 29, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remnants

Don’t know. For years the surviving landmark was the old Sears store across the street, which is now some sort of City Hall complex, I think. There’s a great story about Ted Williams playing an exhibition game at Ponce de Leon during his rookie year with the Red Sox. He muffed a play in the outfield (which he was prone to do at that stage of his career), and in a state of fury, picked up the ball and threw it over the stands, across the street, and right through the main display window of Sears.

Another tidbit: for a good while after the stadium was torn down, a sleazy strip joint called the Nitery Club was at the site. But for a brief, glorious moment in the early 80s, the Nitery was turned into a music club featuring Athens bands (see: I managed to get this thread back around to a UGA nexus!) I remember seeing Love Tractor and Limbo District there. Sigh. Good times.

by donkeydawg on Jul 29, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the former Sears turned City Hall building is about to be turned into lofts I think is what my Mom said.

My step dad worked there. That’s a funky area of the city. Very, huh, eclectic.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 29, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I drive down Ponce frequently

Green’s has the best prices around. (Pearson’s also is very good, but Buckhead is too far out in the country for me, and the traffic sucks when you get a few miles from downtown).

Every time I drive down Ponce, the phrase “life’s rich pageant” comes to mind.

And there are few places in the world where scenery and culture change so abruptly as the intersection of Ponce and Briarcliff/Moreland: one second you’re at the Majestic, and the next you’re driving past Miss Daisy’s house.

by NCT on Jul 31, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

20 + years ago we coined the phrase "Disco Kroger" -

whats crazy is people whom hadnt heard that phrase knew EXACTLY what kroger we were talking about.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sears building is now called City Hall East and they have failed twice to convert it into a loft complex. Disco kroger....

Has the unfortunate history of being the site of a pair of murders a few years back earning it the “Killer Kroger” nickname

by GShock on Aug 1, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does our series with Southern count as a rivalry?

’Cause it could be the “Erk Bowl.”

Leaving insightful football commentary and analysis to other people since 2006.

by wwcmrd? on Jul 30, 2011 2:25 AM EDT reply actions  

The quadrennial Georgia/Georgia Southern football game should be known as:

the “Erk Russell should be in the College Football Hall of Fame” Classic.

by vineyarddawg on Jul 30, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seconded.

At what point may I move that we adopt the gentleman’s proposal by acclamation?

by MaconDawg on Jul 30, 2011 8:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thirded, excellent idea

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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