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Slow News Day Tuesday: The Movie Edition

I may be tempting fate here, but, as I mentioned last week, I have elected to introduce a new feature for the final weeks of the offseason called "Slow News Day Tuesday," which is a counterpart to Free Form Friday and a subset of Completely Unrelated. Here is how it works:

To kill time, I’m going to bring up a topic having nothing directly to do with intercollegiate athletics, and we’ll discuss it in the comments. I mean, we pretty much do that anyway---dis William Faulkner or the Oxford comma around these parts, and see what happens to you---but this is an attempt to do so a little more formally. What can I tell you, folks; the season is almost upon us, and we have to do what we have to do to get us through these last few weeks.

Since Free Form Friday sometimes has taken a cinematic turn, I thought we would look at movies this week. A friend of mine, Dr. Susan Satterfield Ryan, recently shared these thoughts about film:

The choice that viewers now have in movie viewing has had an impact on our sense of self, on the market, and our movie-viewing habits. . . .

Once I had movie choice, I began re-watching the influential movies of my past, and it was easy to see how movies affected my sense of self. . . .

In my lifetime, I have gone from being a passive receiver of whatever the industry wanted me to see, to programmer of my viewing, to maker of movies. It’s a cool time to be alive.

I would be interested to know if any of you reading this have ever watched a particular theme of movies. How have you controlled your movie exploration?

That seems like a good question with which to begin the conversation. How has the ready availability of movies influenced your viewing choices? What common attributes have been shared by the films toward which you have gravitated? What has the broader availability of movies taught you about yourself that you did not know when (or, for the younger crowd, would not have known if) your movie viewing was more restricted?

Discuss amongst yourselves; I have---all right, Dr. Ryan has---given you a topic. (By the way, if when some huge, horrible, season-derailing news breaks on a Tuesday, this feature will be discontinued immediately.)

Go ‘Dawgs!

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I tend to....

Discover a Director for the first time, get addicted, then absorb everything they’ve ever created. Scorsese (Mean Streets), Kubrick (Clockwork Orange), Lumet (Dog Day Afternoon), Tarantino (Reservoir Dawgs), Fincher (Seven), Nolan (Memento), etc. I guess the theme in those initial viewings would be savage violence… but hey, better to watch it than act on it I suppose.

As far as availability , thats simple enough. If it wasn’t for a more wide availability, I never would have had the opportunity to pursue the farther reaches of some of these oeuvres. The UGA library (7th floor I believe) was essential in developing some of these appetites as their laserdisc collection made it possible to view some of these films during my formative years (the early Kubrick stuff in particular).

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 26, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe you just posted this......how coincidental.

I grew up in Atlanta, and my family wasn’t well off. Most of my movie watching (being in Atlanta) was TNT channel 17. What Ted Turner watched, I got to watch. This is how I managed to watch a lot of movies from the 60s and 70s. I wouldn’t have otherwise. So tonight, I am watching Pawn Stars and they are checking out a bike that belonged to Steve McQueen…..

I got to thinking about the car chase in the movie Bullitt that was famous, and I loved it. Having watched our amazing special effects now for most of my life, when I watch Bullitt (I have it on Blu Ray, I am that serious about it) it doesn’t have the same magic anymore. I started thinking “Have we ruined movies by over doing it?” We look back at a classic car chase now and yawn, when as a kid I watched Cool Hand Luke and Bullitt every chance I got.

Your friend has a great point, we used to have whatever was playing, and now we have a choice, but it’s like porn creep, what once was showing us a little, is now full blown overkill. We have 4 super hero flicks this summer, harry potter, Transformers, have we desensitized ourselves with so much F X?

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 26, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

^^This, this and this^^

Computer nerds have screwed up Hollywood. SGI has replaced acting and directing.

It seems one has to endure a film these days. Don’t get me wrong. I enjoy a good action flick and always have. But the trend towards more and more computer animation has replaced the art of film making. It has become a crutch, much like MIDI and other types of synthesized “instrumentation” has impacted music. Overkill is correct. Computer animation is like everything else…including drinking or religion: Use it in moderation.

My influences, since I’m a little bit older than most who post here, were shaped by post-war Hollywood. John Ford movies were always a Saturday staple when I was growing up and the whole “good vs. evil” themes which were so clear-cut. Then, the never-ending, corny-yet patriotic World War II themed movies which will never end (to the victors go the spoils!) I love Film-Noir.

Anyway, true film making is suffering from the increased reliance of computer visuals. And this is sad. I’m with Southern Dawg regarding ‘great visually stunning cinema.’ A bunch of Transformers getting blow’d up doesn’t qualify as such. Megan Fox, however, does.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
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by DavetheDawg on Jul 26, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a kid, I loved the old Hobbit cartoon

about 10 years ago, I wanted to watch it again, and found it at Vision Video off Broad. Was all excited, sat down, and started watching, and the animation was unwatchable. It was horrendous, and this was a movie I absolutely adored not 10-15 years earlier.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 26, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Entertain my brain, not just my eyes

My favorite movies are the ones that make me think. I love great visually stunning cinema, but if that’s all it is i don’t enjoy it as much. The movies that i love have well developed characters with a well written plot-line and keep me thinking. If you have great visuals that complement it appropriately instead of cheapening it, i’ll really love it.

Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

I Corinthians 9:24

by Southern Dawg on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I thinik this is a primary reason I love HBO series...

the good ones over a couple seasons allow you to develop characters and story lines in a way that’s just not possible over a 2 hour movie.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 26, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

TNT was for chumps...

While channel 17 was the go to channel for sports and news etc for my family, the best channel formulating my movie affliction was channel 69. On there was weekly Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. Which by the way scared the crap out of me. There was this one scene in the Howling where a worm with fangs gets put into someone’s milk. I would not drink milk for two months because that scared the crap out of me. Nevertheless, my legs could not run fast enough to get back to watch all the 70’s martial arts movies pitting Shaolin vs. Wu-tang along with the horrible dubbing. It was the place of cult classics where I became avidly aware of the Toxic Avenger and Swamp Thing.

I think about all those awesome nights tucked away in the spare bedroom watching these on a little 13 inch TV with no remote, it was color, because my family hated to see these horrible movies.

Even today I love those movies and will sit down and watch them over and over again. My wife can’t stand to watch them. Oh how I wish they had a channel like channel 69 again. I would probably give up directv if I had that. Well, not really but you get my drift.

by USMAdawg on Jul 26, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you called me a chump - at least indirectly.

I also watched channel 69, but remember it came a little later. I remember Elvira as well. I am thankful in an odd way for TNT, otherwise I would have never seen all the Westerns, Steve McQueen and Paul Newman movies I still love. I watched everything with John Wayne they played.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just enjoy great storytelling and great acting.

I’ve always enjoyed a well-made movie, especially one with great acting, no matter the genre. For this reason, I love movies like The Shawshank Redemption, The Princess Bride and American Beauty. I’m not into big-action, bloody movies in general, though if it’s a well-told story that has gore and blood, I’m cool with that.

Also, I think that Morgan Freeman playing the role of God is not that big of a reach for him, from an acting-ability standpoint.


Maybe it’s because I’m Irish.

And for the record, the greatest role ever performed by a actress in the history of film-making is Carol Burnett as Miss Hannigan in the 1982 version of “Annie.” She’s not the best actress ever, but she is one damn funny woman, and was made for that role.

by vineyarddawg on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought

Nick Saban as Nick Saban in “The Blind Side” was pretty convincing, too;-)

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I set 'em up...

you knock ’em out.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 26, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

That’s what his wife said.

by renegator on Jul 26, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The role of gender.....

as most (but apparently not all) are aware, I am of the female persuasion. I suspect that plays quite a role in my movie preferences. For instance, I think Driving Miss Daisy, Erin Brockovich, Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood, and Gone With the Wind are all fantastic movies. Of course GWTW takes the cake and the book is better than the movie, but I digress. All 4 of those movies have one thing in common – Strong Female Characters. In each movie, there is at least one woman who will kick your backside first and take your name down later. I find I follow the same pattern with TV shows – Law & Order SVU, The Closer, Army Wives, Covert Affairs & Drop Dead Diva also all feature at least one woman who will kick your backside first and figure out the details later. So mostly I identify with characters & story lines.

I never have understood the HD & Blu-ray stuff. I guess my eyes are bad enough that I figure it won’t make that much difference to me. People keep telling me how much more awesome it is, but I’m not there yet. Visually Stunning scenes are great and at the time GWTW was in the elite of the elite in this area, but things have improved dramatically in the last 60 yrs. Fortunately for me, this does not diminish my enjoyment at all.

The hardest part for me is finding a well-acted, good story line, with a strong female character.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Jul 26, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I like all the movies you listed ...

See also The Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis. Action movie; Geena kicks butt. Also Samuel L. Jackson.

by NCT on Jul 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought I was the only one...

“Turn on the heat. It doesn’t work, but it makes a very annoying noise – distracts from the cold.”

by Spears on Jul 26, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

HD and Blu-ray...

…are most enjoyable when you have an older TV in another room and can see the difference. And with animation. HD animated movies on a 1080p screen are WAY more impressive than standard def (esp. How to Train Your Dragon).

Will

by wqueenjr on Jul 26, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's interesting that you would raise this point, podunkdawg, . . .

. . . seeing as how Faulkner figured so prominently in another recent comment thread. Although Faulkner often is criticized for his supposed misogyny, he created probably the greatest litany of strong female characters in the history of American letters: Caddy Compson, Addie Bundren, Temple Drake, Lena Grove, Judith Sutpen, Rosa Coldfield, Eula Varner, and Linda Snopes. Although many of them were not in a position to triumph over their circumstances as Scarlett O’Hara did, each of them stood strong in situations that were, to put it mildly, strongly challenging.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 26, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest,

I’ve read precious little by Faulkner, perhaps I need to rethink this.

I tend to go back to the great stories i’ve read when I need a boost and for other times, I stick with mindless entertainment. But even in my mindless entertainment, I like southern female writers, Jill Conner Browne (Sweet Potato Queen series), Celia Rivenbark (female Lewis Grizzard), Ronda Rich, Rebecca Wells (Ya Ya Sisterhood.) I quite literally will pick up GWTW and just start reading wherever the book happens to open. Of course I also consider the character of Scarlett to be horribly misunderstood.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did you feel about Cold Mountain?

I have had some lively conversations with the women at work about this movie and I am probably wrong. Go ahead, crush me….what was the message?

by renegator on Jul 26, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your question was for Podunk - but I strongly disliked that movie. Accents were so horrible.

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by tankertoad on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible accents

I’ll take this opportunity to rehash one of my accent stories, even though I’ve probably recounted it on this very site at some point.

In 1989, I spent the summer between my first two years of law school working for a law firm in London. The ladies in the office were very excited about my arrival — having a young man from Georgia — and, more specifically, the arrival of my accent. One of the BBCs had just aired the TV miniseries based on John Jakes’s The North and South starring Patrick Swayze, a Texan (I think) performing with a horrible South Carolina lowland accent.

Many of my UK co-workers were disappointed in my accent, or what they perceived as a lack of one. Yes, I’m partially a victim of the Age of Television, but I’m a native Georgian with Southern roots going back to colonial times (FFV FTW!)

Anywho, I had to remind them that their idea of a Southern accent was based on Leslie Howard and Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind AND BOTH OF THEM WERE ENGLISH.

by NCT on Jul 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

my sister and I used to get that when we'd go see our dad after our parents divorced...

we’d immediately start that Gone with the Wind style drawl saying, “Oh, you think all us lil’ ol’ Southerners talk like this?”

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Cold Mountain

and frankly, I wasn’t a big fan. Not really sure why. My vague recollection centers on two things – the story line seemed to drag and the actresses were wrong for the parts in my opinion. If I recall correctly, I was extremely disappointed in the choices for the leads mostly because those accents were awful (as TT correctly notes below.)

What you will probably point out is that at the time, Vivien Leigh as Scarlett, was not popular with southerners for mostly the same reason. However, it is my believe (and I could be very very wrong) that much of our southern ways stem from English Aristocracy. That said, I happen to believe this was an excellent casting choice as the most important thing about Scarlett in my mind is that she was almost a force of nature, and that was where Vivien excelled.

With respect to CM – I never read the book (perhaps I should), but what i expect from strong female characters (especially southern ones) is this “force of nature” thing. I didn’t get that from either Nicole Kidman or Renee Zellwiger in CM. But I’ve see it in Reese Witherspoon’s Melanie in Sweet Home Alabama and I even saw it in Olivia De Havilland’s Melanie Hamilton. If you haven’t seen Erin Brockovich – that is probably the single movie that best portrays a female lead character as a “force of nature.” She is determined, tenacious, and God help you if you cross her. Also some of the best one-liners by a female lead ever, to wit, "I don’t need pity, I need a paycheck. And I’ve looked. But when you’ve spent the past six years raising babies its real hard to find somebody who pays worth a damn, are ya getting every word of this down honey or am I talking too fast? " FWIW – Brockovich is based on a true story, and the real Erin is from KS.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Jul 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of Georgians have Scottish roots. And there is that bit about Georgia being a convict colony.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

i was thinking more of our landed gentry if you will. My family roots are probably scottish, but can’t quite prove that one. Last known address prior to US was actual in N Ireland, roughly the area settled by the scots (outside belfast) so I’m pretty sure my folks were scots not irish, or perhaps they were simply scotch-irish.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Jul 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally agree.

I was not a fan of Cold Mountain and I caught some flack for it. I have always been a sucker for movies with strong southern characters but I am down with Lewis Grizzard on all the B.S. accents. Cool Hand Luke, To Kill a Mockingbird, Long Hot Summer, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof are some of my favorites. Patricia Neal was badass in “Hud” Sally Field did a good job in Norma Rae, The Yearling and Wind Across the Everglades are dear to my heart for some reason. If you’re ever curious about life in South Florida in the early 1920’s and 30’s read a book called “Totch”. It’s about Loren “Totch” Brown. He played a bit part in Wind Across the Everglades but he was the real deal.

by renegator on Jul 27, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Far be it from me to second-guess GWTW casting, but

“Scarlett O’Hara was not beautiful …”

So said Margaret Mitchell.

Say what you will about Vivien Leigh, but if she was anything, she was beautiful — and not that “beautiful for her era” beautiful, but all-time, holy smoke, objectively beautiful. I wouldn’t have the film any other way, and it’s perfect with Leigh, but going by Mitchell’s very first sentence and but for the very recently previous release of Jezebel, Bette Davis would have been our Scarlett.

by NCT on Jul 28, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two comments about movies, which I left on Dr. Ryan's Facebook page:

I like in the films of Kevin Smith a lot of what I like in the novels of William Faulkner. Each stands alone, is stylistically different from the others, and may be appreciated independently, but they all tie in together, so that one’s familiarity with the whole canon enhances one’s appreciation of any discrete element of it. Smith also interests me because, even though he’s from New Jersey (and his movies confirm that art, like politics, is inherently local), he’s also basically my age, and he and I clearly listened to the same music, watched the same movies, and read the same comics as teenagers. “Chasing Amy” is vastly underappreciated.

Quentin Tarantino interests me for similar reasons. It’s appropriate that a director named for a character in The Sound and the Fury would take liberties with storytelling out of chronological order, which preserves the element of surprise in “Reservoir Dogs” and deepens our appreciation of the Bride’s story in the “Kill Bill” movies. Just as the first two “Godfather” films were re-edited for television to air in sequence (first the parts of “The Godfather, Part II” featuring the young Vito Corleone and Robert DeNiro, then “The Godfather,” then the parts of “The Godfather, Part II” featuring Al Pacino), though, I’d be interested to see “Pulp Fiction” re-edited to occur chronologically. I understand why it doesn’t—-knowing the different fates awaiting John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson makes the final scene in the diner more resonant—-but I’d be interested to see it that way, beginning with Christopher Walken explaining the history of the watch, moving forward chronologically from there, and ending with “Zed’s dead.”

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 27, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm 100% there with you on the View Askewinverse.

Like podunkdawg, I also haven’t delved too deeply into the Faulknerian canon, and your analogy makes me even more intrigued to get into his writing.

I also agree that Chasing Amy is underappreciated. One of Smith’s best works, in my opinion. I also really liked Dogma, though it’s gotten so popular that it’s now kind of overrated.

by vineyarddawg on Jul 27, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liking the Whole Tortured Character Thing

Although I’m late to this particular party, the question posed (and comments given) were too interesting not to jump in.

Watching, riveted, “Three Kings” I realized that it’s more than a well directed, well written, well acted yarn with great characters that put a movie in the “damn, that REALLY got me” pantheon. It’s one or more characters facing up to forces beyond their control and having to make a moral choice that may cost them. Whether made rightly or wrongly, that’s why I can’t get enough of “Angels with Dirty Faces,” “Casablanca,” “The Ox Bow Incident,” “The Searchers,” “To Kill A Mockingbird,” “Cool Hand Luke,” “In the Heat of the Night,” “One False Move,” pretty much anything directed by John Huston or Alfred Hitchcock, and, more recently, “Gladiator” and “Slumdog Milliionaire.” And why Scorcese’s brilliantly crafted dramas rarely merit a second look from me—his characters are too irresistibly fate driven to be compelling; I just don’t care what happens to them.

I also enjoy well made action, sci-fi and fantasy—haven’t missed a “Harry Potter”—but, even there, it’s the flicks whose flawed characters take real risks that stay with me—so, yes, “Blade Runner” makes the cut!

by Chickasaw on Jul 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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