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Georgia Bulldogs 2011 Season Preview: The Boise State Game

It had been my intention today to inaugurate a new feature called "Slow News Day Tuesday," but, after yesterday, I didn’t want to tempt fate. Fortunately, I had an alternate topic about which to write; viz., since I recently promised to begin previewing the 2011 college football season, it’s high time I got down to business, even though a comprehensive preview is available through Maple Street Press, whose Georgia Bulldogs annual should be on newsstands now! Nevertheless, I am duty-bound to bring you all the data and insights at my disposal in both printed and digital form, so we now turn to the Classic City Canines’ opening opponent, the Boise St. Broncos.

What would you like to know about Boise State? Well, for one thing, the Broncos’ fans really, really, really want to win this game!

In a way, of course, I understand that; after all, this game probably is more important for Georgia than it is for Boise State, which Bulldog Nation recognized from the moment the game was scheduled. However, if I put up a poll question here asking fans to rank the games on the Red and Black’s 2011 slate in order of importance, there’s no doubt in my mind that fans would rather beat a seven-win Florida Gators outfit than a twelve-win Boise State club. Heck, as badly as I want to win the opener in the Dome, beating the South Carolina Gamecocks is significantly more important for the course of the season.

I mention that not to minimize the significance of the September 3 showdown, which likely will set the tone for the entire autumn for both contestants, but to put it in context, and, thus, in perspective. Viewed in that light, I have a tough time seeing why the Bronco faithful are so fixated on this game. All right, I know, we beat BSU like a yard dog in 2005, but, since then, Boise State has done the following:

Star-divide

At this point, a Boise State fan attaching outsized significance to a win over Georgia to avenge a 2005 loss is akin to a Georgia fan attaching outsized significance to a win over the USC Trojans to avenge the Bulldogs’ setbacks in Los Angeles in the 1930s. It’s ancient history; we respect the Broncos; let’s not treat this game like it’s a bigger deal than it is, because it’s plenty big enough as it stands.

Certainly, the boys in Bristol are hyping heavily the marquee matchup of the season’s first Saturday night, but, when I was asked to identify the most underreported angle on the game, I replied:

Clearly, the most under-discussed aspect of the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Classic is the fact that Georgia actually intends to field a team in this game. I understand that Boise State will be, and by all rights should be, favored in this game, but, to hear ESPN tell it, the most compelling storyline of this contest is whether the Broncos will squeak by with a mere 30-point victory or whether they really will put a whipping on the Bulldogs. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the Worldwide Leader was predicting the outcome of an outing between the Denver Broncos and the Yale Bulldogs.

That’s not to say the commentators are unjustified in favoring Boise State to win; it was reasonable to forecast a BSU victory even before the Bulldogs’ depth at tailback became as thin as, well, the Athenians’ depth on the offensive line and in the defensive secondary. Chris Petersen, while enjoying his success in a highly specific context, nevertheless has lost fewer times in his head coaching career than Mark Richt lost in the 2010 regular season. Coach Petersen has guided the Broncos from the sideline in 32 home games, and he has never walked off of the blue turf after a Boise State loss. "Coach Pete" is 3-0 against top ten teams and 6-1 against squads from automatically-qualifying BCS leagues. He hasn’t lost a game at an even nominally neutral site or against an out-of-conference opponent since suffering a one-point setback to eleventh-ranked Texas Christian in the 2008 Poinsettia Bowl.

Fortunately, even the Broncos are not without their flaws, and SB Nation’s Boise State weblog has provided a helpful overview of BSU’s question marks heading into the 2011 campaign. These are they:

  • Replacing Austin Pettis and Titus Young at wide receiver
  • Complete lack of experience in the kicking game
  • Losing Bryan Harsin
  • A void at strong safety
  • Starting two newbies on the right side of the O-line
  • Playing in a brand new conference against brand new teams

That last one, obviously, benefits the Bulldogs not at all, but a few of those potential holes offer some intriguing opportunities for the Red and Black. We all know that the battle between Georgia’s experienced yet thin offensive line and Boise State’s undersized yet underrated defensive line represents one of the key matchups of this game, but we in Bulldog Nation may not have been paying adequate attention to the war in the trenches when the Broncos have the ball.

Despite returning the lion’s share of the starters on offense, Boise State will be fielding sophomores Jake Broyles and Spencer Gerke at right guard, alongside sophomore Charles Leno and redshirt freshman Greg Dohmen at right tackle. Here is where having Justin Houston back would have come in damned handy, but junior Abry Jones, who sits atop the depth chart at left end, will get the chance to make his mark against the underclassmen on the right side of the Bronco line. Jones, you may recall, capped off the 2010 regular season with 16 tackles and a forced fumble in a game against the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets that earned him SEC co-defensive lineman of the week honors.

As has been noted here frequently in the comments, the improved play by the front seven anticipated by us all could serve to shore up a suspect secondary, and the Bulldog defensive backfield could use all the help it can get, though the Red and Black D brought in 16 interceptions to finish in the top half of the conference in airborne takeaways in 2010. The Georgia secondary will not have to contend with Austin Pettis and Titus Young, who departed for the NFL after together tallying 2,166 receiving yards, 142 catches, and 19 touchdown receptions last autumn.

Based on what the Broncos showed in their spring game, Tyler Shoemaker likely will line up at wideout, with Geraldo Hiwat in the slot, though Boise State began its spring scrimmage by lining up in a two-tight end formation, so who knows which way the Broncos will go. At this point, Hiwat appears more likely to serve as a game-breaking threat, as he turned in a spring game performance in which he notched 97 receiving yards, including a 22-yard gain over the middle and a 49-yard pickup on a long bomb. It isn’t as simple as silencing Hiwat---not with Kellen Moore lining up at quarterback---but holding Hiwat in check is critical, and that objective, if not fully attainable, at least ought to be more doable than containing both Pettis and Young would have been.

That brings us to the special teams, about which One Bronco Nation Under God’s Kevan Lee had this to say: "The biggest question mark for me is the kicking game. Do you realize that we will go into the Georgia game with a placekicker whose first college kick will be in the Georgia game?" That is good news for the ‘Dawgs, because, if there is any area in which the Red and Black realistically may expect excellence straight out of the gate, it is on special teams.

Given Boise State’s inexperience at kicker, the Georgia return game could have a chance to shine, and, given the way the 2005 meeting between these two teams began, the importance of starting the game with a big play is obvious. For that reason, in this outing, more than in most, the Bulldogs should elect to receive if they win the toss.

Those are my initial thoughts on the Boise State game with just over 45 days remaining until kickoff. What are your impressions of the keys to the contest?

Go ‘Dawgs!

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It'll also be interesting...

to see how a certain Pastor of Disaster will shine on the weakside as well.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Boise fans want to win this one...

Partly because of 2005. Some UGA fans still bring it up, though maybe just to troll. But I think a lot of it is just general anti-SEC sentiment. They want to prove they can beat teams from the SEC, so a win (or loss) means more than even the TCU game. And I think most Boise fans are treating the game as a toss up, for whatever that’s worth…

by boomdonkey on Jul 19, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

If most Boise State fans are treating the game as a toss-up, . . .

. . . they must represent Richard Nixon’s “great silent majority,” because the ones who’ve spoken up have ranged between the supremely confident and the absolutely insufferable.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 19, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really, we're not all like that.

In fact, I’d say much of that talk that doesn’t reflect true feeling.

I personally am optimistic (more and more with each UGA personnel loss), but not supremely confident that the Broncos will win. I am very confident that they CAN and SHOULD win, and the Nevada game was Coach Pete’s only loss as the favorite, so that bodes well. But SEC talent is SEC talent, and even a well played game can be overcome by a couple big plays by great athletes. Luckily, the athleticism disparity is nowhere near what it was in 2005.

"Shiloh Keo got a MOUTHFUL of Doug Martin!" - Joe Tessitore

by D_Summit on Jul 19, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, D_Summit. I sincerely appreciate that.

I don’t mean to malign Boise State fans as a group—-Kevan at OBNUG is a respected colleague, and we’ve had some very good exchanges, both there and here, between the two fan bases—-but there’s a vocal handful who really seem to think this ought to be a rout. I’m not prepared to state categorically that it won’t be, but the far more likely possibility is that it will be a close, back-and-forth ballgame like last year’s Boise State-Virginia Tech game.

Thanks for taking the time to represent your fan base well. I apologize for overgeneralizing.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 19, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh. it's all good.

i’m just really, really glad Kevan/Drew/Nate represents the calm BSU fan segment. Intelligent, witty and really know their BSU football (and CFB in general).

come closer to the season, i have feeling both boards will be inundated with trolls. course i’m curious to see how the rest of your season goes with trolls.

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by Grindhouse on Jul 19, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said, MKingery.

You’re right . . . every fan base has its yahoos, and, if it seems to Boise State and Georgia fans that Georgia and Boise State, respectively, have more of them, that’s a misperception probably created by distance, which will dissipate as we get closer to kickoff. Certainly, the Bronco fans I met in Athens in 2005 were cordial, reasonable, likeable folk.

Much obliged, MKingery.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

TKK

It never fails me how serious people take the internet.
American Bloggers blamed for Norway mass killings!

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on Jul 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

MK I hated BSU before I loved them.

One of the things that is a drag on Bronco Nation is some of the elitism amongst old farts posting after work. As someone who went I Idaho State in the mid 80’s I hated BSU. My first exposure to BSU was in 1979 in the form of a T-shirt I was given.
My love of BSU started with the hirer of my old high school coach, if being a fan of a team is reflected in one who though lives thousands of miles away to express their fandum by sending family members to search stores in Idaho for BSU gear before one could ever buy it online, suffer through losses to CMU and still continue to make money bets on the next match up with CMU, Over the years I have gone through many efforts to be able to watch my beloved Bronco’s long before they beat OU. Despite suffering thru losses to Louisville, Boston College on the Blue field none the less. Did this keep me from buying and wearing BSU gear in Big Ten territory? NO!
Did I do it just because it’s a novelty? I don’t know I grew up in a Michigan home, I bled blue of the big house since I was 4 years old, but never did I pull out all the stops to catch a Michigan bowl game let alone a away game, but in 2010 with a short time to plan I did just that to watch my beloved Bronco 2000 plus miles from my home against TCU, I did it again last year to see a home opener in DC.
When old dogs insult what they consider new raving fans and attempt to frame them as something less of a fan then , they do an injustice to fans of Boise State.
I understand the isolation of the folks of Boise been there many times in my life time, and there is plenty to like about living so isolated from the rest of the world, but there is a lost life experience and understanding of people far and wide when you live your life so isolated. One is a lack of tolerance of just how different people can be when out side your isolated little group.
Ronald Reagan once said never speak ill of a fellow republican, when I discovered just how ill members of obnug were willing to speak of their fellow Bronco Nation members I left, rather then speak ill of them.
Mr. MK be grateful for every fan and supporter you can get of BSU program because it is they who are giving it the large reach it needs to grow.
It’s they who who went in to bar’s giving bar owners a hard time to get the BSU game, it is they that scream into their phone to their cable providers to get them to carry BSU games. Mr MK the reason BSU gets espn games isn’t because espn so wants to dominate the Boise market it’s because of those of us you like to call carpet badgers demand it, Mr. MK we out number you and have for a very long time now, it’s time you learn to accept them, and stop amusing they just started following because of OU.

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

"the Bulldogs should elect to receive if they win the toss."

I couldn’t agree more :D

TKK you need to venture off SB once and a while, if you browse around to other BSU boards you will see the fear of loss creeping in. I haven’t read obnug for a while so I can’t comment on them.
Those guys that will be starting on the O line you talked about, you forgot to add this will not be their first start.

I however I think you did a great review of the Game TKK

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
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by Darth Prophet on Jul 25, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you've been taking notes at OBNUG:

(a) However, Hiwat has changed his name. I’m sure even ESPN will notice.

(b) ESPN is sending the game day crew to Jerry World. They will hype the LSU and Oregon game to death. TCU will open against Baylor the day before, on Friday and that will take some of the non-AQ vs. AQ conference thunder. Plus, the Tigers game versus the Ducks is on broadcast TV against the BSU game against UGA. Let’s be honest. Most folks will be watching the SEC/Pac 12 Match Up, especially given that both schools will be top 5 matches and perspective “NCS” contenders.

© As far as what the Bronco nation faithful

really, really, really want

there are more votes for them to pay back Nevada and to beat TCU combined, as well as all the other options that do not involve Georgia. The people who voted for the Georgia, such as myself, it has more to do with quieting that insistent murmurs on comment about the SEC and non-AQ schools, SOS, etc., that would come from beating an SEC school, than payback, per se (although admittedly it is that for some Bronco fans) and that school could have UT or KY or Vanderbilt.

Otherwise, good post.

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jul 19, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously?

You’re going to give me a hard time about not knowing yet that the guy changed his name when an Idaho news outlet was reporting it as an afterthought just two days ago?

1,053 votes into the OBNUG poll, Georgia leads with 461 votes (more than 40 per cent). The next biggest vote getter has 293 votes (less than 30 per cent). I’m going to agree with Jason Kirk and call that Boise State fans making a big deal out of it. If the Broncos were playing Vanderbilt, I’m guessing Nevada and TCU would be duking it out for the lead instead. It’s an insult to Boise State to suggest that a team that has beaten a Pac-10 champion in Oregon and an ACC champion in Virginia Tech would need to whip up on the Commodores just to get an SEC win under its belt.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 19, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be having more fun anticipating this game...

… if it weren’t being dampened by jerks like Pac 10 Alum and some of the insufferable BSU fans that have popped up here.

Let me give you a hint, P10A… if you have to expend 190 words to tell us how much nobody cares about this came, then I’ve got news for you: A lot of people care about this game. Otherwise, you’d be able to say two words: “Nobody cares.”

Oh and hang on a second… let me link to a pointless Boise State hype video on YouTube that I just created with iMovie on my iPad!! Just for you Georgia fans!!!

/bad mood today

by vineyarddawg on Jul 19, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If it makes you feel better

I’m already having panic attacks thinking about Boise State kicking a field goal.

Bitches don't know bout my interrogatories.

by marktgarten on Jul 20, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed your post

PLEASE do not take PAC10 Alum as representative of the Boise fan base.

Peace Out

The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight

by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Jul 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

SEC comments (on sites like CNN/SI and ESPN) are full of comments from your fellow conference mates

and from UGA fans with things like BSU “can’t even beat Nevada, what chance do they have against Georgia” — BSU currently has a 4 loss record against SEC teams and other than UGA, none of those teams are really traditional SEC powers. So yes, the Commodores (who, by the way, I’ve enjoyed watching since before Jay Cutler was a QB there) would count, as SEC fans would make a point to mention it. It also goes to my point about SOS.

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jul 20, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't hold comments you find

on ESPN and the like from Georgia fans against the Georgia fans you will find at this site.

I don’t think anyone here has said that since Boise lost to Nevada they will lose to Georgia. Because it is a ridiculous statement. Boise most definitely has a shot at beating Georgia on Sept. 3. I think we will likely disagree about how big of a shot they have, but that just comes from being fans of the opposing teams.

by UGAVike on Jul 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No why would one do that!

I have great respect for die hard Dawg fans, their words are words of hope and loyalty why do folks seem to have the need to excuse a loyal fan?
My youtube post mail box fills with dawg folks both those who make rantings to my videos to be followed with privet messages telling me hey I gave you a negative rating but great video do more!

People it’s the internet stop taking things so personal!

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on Jul 25, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sounds to me

that you are living vicariously through Oregon and Boise State. I see you’re an Arizona Wildcats fan. It’s all so perfectly clear now. Hate the entire Southeastern Conference, if you must. But your snark doesn’t translate very well over here.

I really don’t care how good Boise State has been in recent years. This is not a slight. Props to ’em…and no one around here has ever been disparaging towards that program, their fanbase or their budding tradition. But the University of Georgia, with all of the resources at our disposal, should never, ever lose to a WAC Mountain West Conference team. Ever.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 20, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see your logic
But the University of Georgia, with all of the resources at our disposal, should never, ever lose to a WAC Mountain West Conference team. Ever.

But now tell me, if they do lose this game to Boise State, what does that mean to you? Fluke? Too big of a personnel issues this off season (which I would have to give some credibility to that argument, UGA has been hit hard this off season, any team would suffer from the same loses)? Or would you consider that Boise State is an anomaly? That through genius marketing (hate or love the blue turf, everyone knows about it) a huge amount of success, and a coaching staff that is…well….special, we’ve been able to field teams that defy the norm of a non-aq school (TCU also being an exception)? I don’t mean this to be a condescending question, I really would like to know your response.

I agree with your statement in regards to the amount of money the SEC schools in general have and how much that should/does help in recruiting. However, Georgia could sneeze and more money would come out of it’s nose than what BSU spends on it’s whole Athletic Department in a year, so although the golden rule applies more often than not in CFB, that rule has had little affect on Boise as they’ve done things in the last decade that teams with 10x the budget would love to claim to have done.

I can’t wait for this game, and there’s no question it’s a HUGE game for Boise. I voted on the above mentioned poll that I would rather not lose to Nevada than any other team this year but that’s just because I hate them and have more respect for the others, including Georgia.

by 4EverBleedBlue on Jul 20, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you'll find a mix.

It would be foolish for me to sit here and say that no Georgia fans would make excuses regarding the reasons for losing to Boise. Having said that, though, I think you’ll find that most folks around these parts, if we lose to Boise, will chalk it up to being beaten by a better team. Might there be some grumbling regarding playcalling and personnel issues? Sure. Is that grumbling an excuse? No…most times it’s warranted.

In the event that Boise does beat Georgia in Atlanta, I think you’ll see much of the same reaction that occurred after we lost to West Virginia in Atlanta in ‘05. We could’ve won the game, but we simply were beaten on that day.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll make no excuses if UGA loses in the Dome.

If that happens it will be because Boise came out more focused/prepared and ultimately was the better team.

by UGAVike on Jul 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

In any given contest

there are reasons why a team wins or loses. But given the significance of this game, there will never be any excuses if we lose. Not from me. If Boise State wins, it’ll be because you deserved the victory, and there will be many reasons why.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My question for you...

is how will the Boise fans react in the event that Georgia does, indeed, triumph in Atlanta? For a fanbase that has seen so few defeats in the past several years, what should we, as Georgia fans, expect from the Boise faithful in the days after the game in the event of a Boise loss?

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if I were there in Atlanta, you could expect to see puddles of vomit all the way back to my hotel

However, Boise is going to have one of the best teams it’s ever fielded in Atlanta and if we get beat by Georgia, it will truly be a testament to just how good your team is. You’ll get no excuses here either. However, although this may seem a little back handed, if Boise loses to UGA, I’m predicting an SEC championship year for the Dawgs ;)

by 4EverBleedBlue on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a fair question, 4EverBleedBlue.

Obviously, we’ll have to wait and see how the game plays out; the margin by which, and manner in which, victory is attained will have a great deal to say about what we might safely conclude about both teams, but, on the whole, I expect the only safe conclusion will be that the winning team was, on the day of the game, better than the losing team. That probably means, but will not necessarily mean, that the winning team will have the better season.

If Boise State wins, it will be because the Broncos were better on September 3. I understand that, if Georgia and Boise State had played a second time later in the 2005 season, the Bulldogs would not have won another 48-13 contest; while that result was not a fluke—-it wasn’t just that Jared Zabransky played badly, it was that Georgia played well—-neither was it fully representative. The same likely will hold true this year, particularly if one team wins by two or more scores. Absent a clearly erroneous officiating call, I don’t plan on making excuses if we lose, but neither do I intend to treat it like the end of the world. Well, not any more than I treat everything like the end of the world now! :)

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Ducks? You're kidding, right?

Unlike many power conference fans, I don’t think mid-majors are pointless. I don’t agree with the SOS argument (although I do think schedule needs to be taken into account).

If you had any sense of history, you would know that Arizona and the Sun Devils (ASU) came to the Pac 8 from the WAC. The other school fan bases treated us the same you many SEC/Big 10/Big 12 fans treat the mid-majors. So I can look at it from that perspective, in spite of the fact that Arizona has a history in sports that dates as long as that of many SEC or Big 10 schools.

If I lived vicariously through anyone, it would be Pete Carroll’s USC teams in their prime, and the fact that neither Florida nor LSU faced them, versus the Buckeyes, for their BCS rings.

As I’ve told the BSU fans on OBNUG, if the Wildcats played the Broncos, I know what side of the field I would sit on. I lived in Georgia for three years. I hate the insufferability that some SEC fans displayed in person when I met them or that I see from some SEC fans on comment boards. I’ve no more reason to hate a bunch of students in the SEC than I do a bunch of students in the Big 10.

And if you consider my comments snarky, you’re pretty sensitive.

I'd rather be surfing.

by Pac 10 Alum on Jul 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all

no one has ever questioned my sense of history. I’m very familiar with Frank Kush’s ASU legacy and remember the ‘78 expansion of, what became the Pac 8, which included Arizona. You’re not talking to some random dude who can only recall events since the mid 90’s. I’ve been around the block longer than I care to admit. (Some history: Georgia played Arizona to a tie in what might go down as the worst Sun Bowl in the history of Sun Bowls back in ‘85. 13-13. It was as ugly as El Paso itself. (And we didn’t make excuses back then, either. We were a very average team.)

Secondly: On this particular board, we’re not insufferable. More like suffering, of late. If anything, we’re realists. Therefore, I cannot speak to the dregs that troll on the ESPN boards, or any of the multitudes of blogs out there in the ‘sphere. I don’t care, nor do I partake in most of the crap that others post on other blogs, some of which are Georgia blogs. A word to the wise: Reading ESPN blogs will give you brain damage. Reading the AJC comments will make you want to kill yourself.

It seems you have an axe to grind because of the opinions of others not associated with Dawgsports. I’m just calling you on it. If that makes me “snarky”, then I’m snarky. But no one at Dawgsports, myself included, should be lumped into whatever group you disdain.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 20, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

University of Georgia, with all of the resources at our disposal, should never, ever lose to a WAC Mountain West Conference team. Ever.

Trust me I know your pain….
No. 5 Michigan stunned by Appalachian State
Fact is Boise has built a quality program, and may just have the best coach in all of college football.
They are only going to get better as the exposure and money gets better. I would not be surprised to see them in the Big 12 before much longer, that is if the Big 12 doesn’t completely crash, then with the loss of the Big 12 the MWC will pcik up a couple pieces from it and become a an AQ, one way or the other within 3 years BSU will be in a AQ conference. then what ?

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on Jul 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really looking forward to the game......

I think BSU will win, but hope the dawgs put in a good show. Too bad about all of the running back problems you seem to be having, when it rains it pours. After the first game I will be a BIG dawg fan all year, and I am sure I speak for most BSU fans on that one.

Good luck, man I wish the season would get here, and good article BTW.

by papaspud on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

good preview

lots of history coming into this game.

However, I’m not so sure I buy into the notion that our defensive line is undersized (although I appreciate the underrated nod). We’ve got some big boys playing on that side of the ball, and they seemed to handle the Hokies’ and the Beavers’ O-Line’s just fine. I haven’t taken a look at your starting O-Line, which I’m sure is massive, but I’d be interested to know how they match up to the other two.

Outside of that, we’re really gonna have to wait until game time to figure out what’s gonna happen… I think it’ll be a close contest for at least 3 quarters, but I’ve got to believe that Kellen Moore will find some holes in an admittedly suspect secondary.

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Jul 19, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Biggest Win UF or BS

No doubt a win over UF would be more celebrated, a win over Boise will most like be a sigh of relief.

Boise is the game I want to lose the least. Losing to any nonBCS school is a disgrace but giving credit to a media darling Boise would be very sickening. The thing I very much dislike about Boise is their attempted demand for home and home series. FSU and Miami built program by being willing to travel, recently Fresno attempted to do the same. I respect the work they put into paying their dues.

That said…Boise will be ready to play and can play with UGA especially in the opener. Boise over the past few years executes very well on the big stage for an opener or a bowl game, something I can’t say for UGA over the same time span. I would like to see them 4 or 5 games into an SEC schedule or even an OOC schedule list Fresno has scheduled a few times. Then see how their depth is holding up, and if they do belong in the Top15.

by OttovonRuss on Jul 19, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Home and home is, like much in college football, a money thing

I get it about paying dues, but Boise State also has to pay the bills and getting paid $500k or $750k to play a road game doesn’t match a home game, even in a smallish stadium.

Bitches don't know bout my interrogatories.

by marktgarten on Jul 20, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

UGA gave up a home game for this. It cost our university far more than BSU's.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 20, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to think about the margins

As of 2009, Boise State’s budget for all men’s and women’s sports was less than the budget for Alabama football. Boise State’s football budget was about 1/3 of UGA’s. UGA still has two more home games than Boise State. BSU’s budget is simply tighter than UGA’s, and each Boise State dollar is more critical to maintaining a viable program. It is not close. This isn’t a complaint. It’s just the way it is as a mid-major. I don’t want to get into some bullshit, woe-is-me bitch fight. You have you’re problems. We have ours.

Bitches don't know bout my interrogatories.

by marktgarten on Jul 20, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The way I count it, you have one more home game this year than last.

UGA agreed to give up a home game, BSU didnt have too. So unless you are saying the opening BSU game would have otherwise been a home game, I don’t see how you are losing out. You also have a national stage in a really cool opening game – the kick off classic. BSU gets national attention, isnt losing a home game and a chance to play the SEC. Those are all wins. Many businesses in Athens were against this game because it’s a major source of revenue for the city beyond what the university makes.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 20, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

So playing in Atlanta....

Georgia, is not a home game….I understand. I guess the fact you will have 53,000 + fans isn’t a big deal, and the fact that we have to still travel 1000+ miles also makes no difference. UGA gave up the home game for the money and exposure, just like BSU. Boise already had a game scheduled against Old Miss- so we already had our SEC game scheduled, but your AD and ours decided this would be a good match-up. Old Miss game will be next year.

 Not to be a troll, but this was a good match-up for both teams, and ESPN put up the cash to make it happen, no BSU is not losing out anywhere here, but neither are the dawgs.

Win – Win for both teams……well except the loser. ;)

by papaspud on Jul 20, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

An economic home game is different than a physical home game, and the issue here

is that UGA literally had to cancel a home game (against Louisville) to get the game scheduled. From a monetary standpoint, that’s a huge deal for the city of Athens. If you’ve never been to Athens, you’d realize that a large portion of the city’s income is dependent upon football season and the money spent on Saturdays in the fall.

So, having said that, is the game in Atlanta a home game for UGA, economically speaking? No, absolutely not. The university could pull much more money from playing in Athens (especially when they already have one other permanent neutral site game each year). Will the game have a home game feel to it from the perspective of fanbase? Absolutely.

P.S. One thing I absolutely don’t want to hear the Boise fans whine about, however, is the fact that the game is played in Atlanta. From someone who has seen Georgia lose games in the Georgia Dome to LSU and West Virginia (in which the latter of the two teams was grossly outnumbered in terms of fanbase) or struggle against Virginia Tech in the Dome on New Year’s Eve of 2006 knows that if there is a home field advantage to be gleaned from playing in Atlanta, it’s not much of one. After all, Atlanta is only the home of Georgia’s in-state rival and the largest alumni groups for the following universities (outside of their respective states, of course): Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, South Carolina, and Tennessee…but yeah, no reason to think that all fans in Atlanta aren’t Georgia fans, right?

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sigh.

If you’d ever*, not if you’ve never

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And on top of that, they don't have to deal with heat...

so while the crowd is somewhat home in %s, the environment is not a home environment.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 20, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I recall correctly ...

We gave up a home-and-home with Louisville to play in this game, right? Did we not replace the @ Louisville game with another home game? So we lost one home game and one away game and gained one home game and one neutral-site game, yes? If my recollection is accurate, then over the next two years, this Georgia Dome arrangement netted us a wash in home games and a gain from away to neutral.

by NCT on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

This does seem to make sense,

but I could’ve sworn that I saw somewhere that the arrangement was different. Perhaps it was just all the moaning and groaning from the Athens business about missing out on a home game this year.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

So your numbers are right.

We lose a home game in 2011 and gain one in 2012. I’d be interested to see how it stacks up monetarily, though. I know Georgia is getting 1.7M to play in the CFA game, while Boise is getting 1.4M (seriously? 1.4M and they’re complaining about not getting home and homes?)

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Broncos are complaing about this game's payoff.

The best example of what BSU wants in scheduling (home-and-home or a big payday) and the difficulty‡ they have in getting it is a recent negotiation with Nebraska. Nebraska wanted a 2-for-1, with the game in Boise as the 3rd game in the series, but wouldn’t agree to a $1M buyout on that 3rd game. Boise’s fear (justified, if you ask me) was that Nebraska would back out of the game in Boise, and the Broncos would end up with no home game or payday out of the series. I don’t know what buyout Nebraska would agree to or what the pay for the trips to Lincoln would have been, so it’s impossible to judge the negotiations fully. That said, I don’t think BSU is trying to do anything in negotiating any home-and-home series that isn’t mutually beneficial. Like it or not, a game against BSU brings a lot of attention to any school – even schools with high profiles already.

‡ – big-time home-and-homes still seem tough to land, and a larger stadium will help, but big-time, national spotlight, payday games do seem to be easier to come by these days for the team.

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by D_Summit on Jul 20, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It is a good matchup for both teams, . . .

. . . but, while it will have a home game atmosphere for Georgia fans, no, it isn’t a home game. Athens business will make no money off of having this game in Atlanta.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're referring to the athletic dept's revenue

As opposed to local business

The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight

by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Jul 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boise State can't get a home-and-home for one simple reason:

Their stadium is too small. It has nothing to do with fear or with paying their dues; it is entirely about money. If they expand it, teams from outside the Pac-12 will come. It’s as simple as that.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And

We’re in the process of getting expansion finalized. It’s something that takes time but it will happen in the next few years. No matter what anyone thinks we’re still a work in progress but we are getting there. Good luck with your season Bulldogs. GO BRONCOS!

by daddy18 on Jul 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The real reason Boise fans want Boise to win this game....over others

is because there is a poll going on to see what excuse the SEC peeps will make when they lose. Just like when Utah crushed Alabama, people are preparing for the outcry of excuses.

Good article by the way, covered some good topics. I think one of Boise’s main concerns is the kicking game though. That’s an untested area at what will be a hostile environment.

Even though Boise lost some great starters most of the 2nd and 3rd stringers who will now be starting had plenty of playing time last year so I’m not too concerned with that. As for the O & D line, even with our loses Boise will still field one of the best lines in the country, It’s doubtful that UGA will field better lines than the one’s Boise has dominated the last couple of years.

We will have some questions in secondary but Boise has continued to reload there without a blink. Hopefully that’s the case this year too.

I believe the rationale from Boise fans for why many of them think this game will be somewhat easy are just due to the facts and the teams both schools fielded last year. Even though I think there are intangibles that will make this game more difficult than if it was a true neutral site or at Boise, you gotta look at it from a neutral fans point of view. Georgia went 6-7 and lost to UCF, Boise barely lost a game they easily should have won and beat a VT team that no one argues was and is better than UGA.

After talking with many UGA fans they are banking on fielding a better team, and I can’t imagine UGA going 6-7 again, so you should be safe there. But, to be good enough to beat a top 5 team is a stretch of high hope. The only things UGA has going for them are the intangibles that come from playing a team that has to travel across the country and all the things that come with a home* game.

So, I am one of those fans that think Boise should pull out an easy win. The one thing i’m counting on and hoping is that Georgia doesn’t go from a 6-7 team to a really good team. Do I think they will, unlikely, but other teams have bounced back from worse.

Don’t take offense by what i’ve said, because it’s all true. Logic and rationale rule my thoughts.

by Pete2012 on Jul 19, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Looking at a programs previous year is always done, and seldom produces accurate analysis.

You know what happened for UGA in 1979? We went 6-5 with a loss to Wake Forest of all schools.

Guess what happened in 1980?

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by tankertoad on Jul 19, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boise barely lost a game they easily should have won

One could say the same about 4-5 of Georgia’s losses last year… most notably Florida, UCF, and Colorado.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 19, 2011 11:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but.........

The difference is Boise lost to a team that was ranked and went 13-1, at halftime they were up 24-7. Boise beat Hawaii 49-7 who Nevada lost to and beat Fresno 51-0 who Nevada barely beat by 1 point in the last couple minutes of the game. The difference is Boise flopped that game and Nevada played their hearts out, Nevada was a good team. Can’t say the same about Colorado UCF or Florida.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't say that Colorado played their hearts out to beat an SEC team at home for a dead coach walking...

or that UCF played their hearts out to beat an SEC team in a bowl game that meant absolutely nothing to Georgia, or that Florida played their hearts out in a fierce rivalry game with the Dawgs that predates most WAC teams having a football program? Come on. I understand your point, but you have to give credit where it’s due. Georgia is Georgia, and people are always gunning to beat Georgia. It’s not like those teams you named are just like “Meh, it’s Georgia, let’s throw a team out there and see what happens.”

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Pete was saying that you can't say that those teams played their hearts out

rather, they weren’t good teams last year. I do agree with you however, that playing Georgia is a big deal to just about any team in nation. This is why Boise is so excited to play the Dawgs even after a 6-7 season. UGA has down years like every team in the country, however a win over even the “worst” UGA team is always an incredibly respected win.

by 4EverBleedBlue on Jul 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understood his point about the teams not being any good,

but I just disagree with his rationale. He gives a track record of why Boise was better than Nevada, but then lists Nevada playing their hearts out as the reason Boise ended up losing the game. Well, as you and I both have already made clear, teams are always playing their hearts out to beat Georgia…and it sometimes happens. On paper, Georgia should’ve beaten the Buffs, the Knights, and the Gators (just as Boise should’ve beaten Nevada), but sometimes what should happen on paper and what actually happen are different things. You can’t talk out of both sides of your mouth, though (as Pete is doing) and pin one loss on the heart of the opponent, while simultaneously pinning Georgia’s losses solely on Georgia.

In any event, I appreciate the measured, logical response.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

So he was saying, Boise lost a game they shouldn't have to a good team

and Georgia lost a few games that they shouldn’t have to bad teams. Is one of those scenarios more beneficial than the other? Nope, L is an L.

by 4EverBleedBlue on Jul 20, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was my point

I have no problem conceding that Georgia was a bad team last year or that Boise was a very good one. My point was that talking about what should have happened doesn’t do much to advance either argument.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE WON ALL OUR GAMES LAST YEAR

AND WE SHOULD HAVE BEATEN CAROLINA IN ’07 OR ATLEAST KENTUCKY VANDY OR CAROLINA SHOULD HAVE BEATEN TENNESSEE AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP AND BEATEN LSU AND THEN BEATEN OSU IN THE MNC AND THEN MARK RICHT WOULDNT BE ON THE HOTSEAT.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

amen

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Most people will concede a "single" loss as a poor outing or

a flop game especially given the fact that “that” team destroyed the teams that Nevada lost to and barely won, and given that Boise was up 24-7 at the half and missed 2, 20+ field goals as a forgotten loss that shouldn’t have happened.

To try to rationale multiple losses against unranked multiple loss teams is a completely different scenario than trying to put aside a loss to a ranked 13-1 team due to 2 missed field goals in the last minute of the game. Completely different, and everyone knows it or the would have had Nevada ranked higher etc……

A ranked team that goes 13-1 plays the best game i’ve ever seen them play in years against the team everyone wants to beat due to a 20 something yard missed field goal is a different scenario, please don’t try to pretend it’s close to a team losing 6 games and saying it’s even a close scenario. Cmon, I try to state facts and logic based on games and history.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

Boise is the greatest team evah! Your facts are indisputable.

BTW, I didn’t pretend it was close to Georgia losing 6 games. I said the “fact” that Boise “should have won” as you say is irrelevant.

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by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And if I was trying to rationalize (Not rationale)

Which I wasn’t, I would’ve done so. All I said above was Georgia was a bad team.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You know, Pete,

I’ve always been told that the best way to exhibit that you possess a certain quality (the ability to reason based on logic and facts, the ability to conduct yourself with class, etc.) is through actions, not through reminding everyone that you have it.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said anything about class, you did

what does class have to do with reminding that my comments are based on the result of on-field playing? I think you’re offended by my comments that are based on fact, attempting to imply I don’t have class because my comments are based of facts/history/games is ridiculous. I won’t indulge myself with trying to lower myself to your level. If you wanna talk about football lets do that, don’t attempt to insult.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was using class as an example

Of something someone doesn’t have to tell people about because its evident they have it. Hence the parentheses. He wasn’t commenting on your class.

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by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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by RedCrake on Jul 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Don't take offense by what I've said, because it's all true. Logic and rationale rule my thoughts."

Umm, where’s the logic and rationale in: “The only things UGA has going for them are the intangibles that come from playing a team that has to travel across the country and all the things that come with a home* game”? That’s a matter of opinion that you’re portraying as fact.

The fact of the matter is that there are numerous things going in Georgia’s direction, including Boise losing its two best wide receivers, Georgia returning starters at four out of five positions in the secondary (I’m including the nickelback), two returning starters at Tight End who are mismatches for anyone guarding them, a quarterback who statistically had one of the best years in the history of UGA quarterbacks, and the best special teams unit in the nation…but sure, keep up that logic and rationale.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and that VT team was so spectacular,

they even lost to an FBS school and won what has perennially been one of the two weakest AQ conferences in the nation…that’s impressive stuff.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it, man.

FCS school. Why did they have to change these things from 1-AA again?

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the Michigan team that famously lost to Appy State...

… beat Florida in the Capital One Bowl. Which is at least one data point in the other direction on that.

by drothgery on Jul 20, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no data point in either direction, because football isn't transitive.

I was making the point that Virginia Tech lost to an FCS school in addition to losing to Boise, and they won a conference that is perennially recognized as a joke. I wasn’t indicating that Georgia > JMU > VT.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's easy to make fun of a team that loses flops a game they should have won....

but more difficult to admit that your team wouldn’t have went 5-7 in that same conf. you call weak.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would any of us admit that?

or have to? or whatever point you are trying to make (that UGA would have had a worse record in the ACC than it did in the SEC, seriously?)

by UGAVike on Jul 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, Pete,

I’ll gladly admit that my team “wouldn’t have went” 5-7 in the ACC…all indications are that they would’ve fared decidedly better. Please look up Georgia’s record against the ACC in recent years…I think you’ll find one loss.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's absolutely no question Georgia would have fared considerably better . . .

. . . in the ACC last year. I’m not saying the Bulldogs would have won the conference, but they’d have contended in either division.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys,

I just go off what I see, i’m not here to rip on the dawgs. If Boise would have lost to the teams Georgia did I would question their ability to have done well in any conf. How can you lose to teams like Colorado and UCF a be confident you’d do well in an AQ conf?

I for one hope UGA is better this year and does well after Boise beats them.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was refering to to above comment that Georgia has beaten ACC

opponents, which I can only assume means they would have done just fine in that conf. which due to the games lost is difficult to try to rationalize, IMO. Kyle appears to be inferring that just because uga didn’t fair well in the SEC that doesn’t mean uga would have in the ACC. I could see that for almost any team that loses 2-3 games against great competition but not against the likes of Colorado or UCF, and others.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Logical Reasoning Exercise Number 1

TKK: Georgia beats ACC teams with regularity
You: Georgia loses to non-ACC teams.

Which conclusion likely follows?
A) Georgia can compete at a high level in the ACC
B) It is ridiculous to think that Georgia can compete in the ACC.

Pick one.

by UGAVike on Jul 20, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and we were 1-0 against the ACC last year.

Last year’s Georgia team wasn’t good, but, statistically, it was better than the 2009 team (even though the 2009 team had a better record). If you’re set on using small sample sizes, Georgia’s 1-0 record against the ACC last year ought to convince you. I personally think both data sets are too small to be representative, but, using your logic, last year’s victory over the Yellow Jackets should convince you. If not, you’re compounding your insistence upon using ridiculously small data sets with cherry-picking, which is the opposite of basing your opinion on facts.

For the record, Mark Richt has lost to Georgia Tech once in ten tries, and he is undefeated against Clemson, Florida State, and Virginia Tech. At some point, a 13-1 record against a particular AQ conference over the course of a decade ought to count for something, don’t you think?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

True but if history was the only thing that counted and not on recent on field

performance than uga should have been competing for SEC East, which was not the case either.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

False.

Georgia went into last year’s Florida game with a shot at winning the East. The Bulldogs lost that game by three points in overtime. Granted, the Red and Black still would’ve needed some help, but it is inaccurate to say that Georgia did not compete for the division title last season.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, . . .

. . . it did not escape my notice that you basically ignored my compete refutation of your point, and of your methodology.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, now you're just making crazy talk.

Who addresses each other’s points directly? Honestly?

This is the internets, pal.

by vineyarddawg on Jul 20, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I find it a far stretch to say beating GT would

have translated into an ACC win or contender. They were what, the 8th best team in the ACC, who lost to multiple bad teams and barely beat teams like Duke. My rationale is based off teams beat, quality of those teams, and the teams that those teams beaten. The only way to address the quality or ability of a team is by looking at the big picture, the body of work. I understand wanting to look at only the good things but the body of work is not indicative of a team who would have competed in almost all conferences, including non-AQ. Don’t take my word for it, look at all the non-aq teams ranked above uga.

by Pete2012 on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I would agree, . . .

. . . but, then, I’m not the one saying a loss to Colorado is the be-all and end-all from which you may extrapolate absolute meaning to the ends of the earth.

At the end of the day, Pete2012, your point is this: “Single instances that serve my predetermined conclusion are absolutes, yet single instances that don’t serve my predetermined conclusion are insignificant.” No one who makes such a point can claim seriously to be guided by facts and rationality.

I, for one, am done wasting my time addressing your opinions masked as facts. Have a nice day, and good luck on every Saturday of the season after the first one.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, you guys are all correct....

how could i have thought a team going 6-7 losing to UCF isn’t going to be fantastic this season, gee, how dumb of me. So, with your logic Boise;s gonna do terrible this year because they had a good season last year. I never thought of it that way, good point! Ya know, i’ve had many rational logical conversations with many fans across the country and never have I ran into people who have had a few seasons like uga has but still are in complete denial and believe some of the wishful thinking so many of you have. Because, that’s all it is, wishful thinking until proven otherwise. Maybe a few more years will humble a fan base that clearly needs more time to be humbled than several losses in multiple years. Good luck, i’ll be rooting for georgia after sept. 3rd, but something tells me that may be wishful thinking.

by Pete2012 on Jul 21, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, let's take your premise: UGA isn't going to be that good because of last year.

Then why on earth are y’all so obsessed with this game? By your own premise, if you beat UGA, then really you didn’t accomplish much. You should be disappointed to have to even play such a weak SEC team when you are trying to prove your NC worthiness.

To make it worse, by your own premise that UGA isn’t that good this year because of last year, if UGA wins this game, that means BSU really sucks.

So, BSU wins, you accomplished very little, although you are going to celebrate your “SEC victory” with all you can., when in fact, by your premise, it should mean little.

In the other scenario, if you lose, you suck badly, because we really suck badly.

I say it again: The previous year is rarely an accurate indicator of the next year. UGA went 6-5 in 1979, lost to Wake Forest and Vince Dooley wasn’t that popular. That was followed by 1980.

Pick a side Pete2012, stop trying to spin it each way.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

TL;DR.

Not really . . . against my better judgment, I did read it. I shouldn’t have. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the comment to which it purported to be a response, and it refuted arguments neither I nor anyone else here ever made.

Apparently Pete2012 believes we have a “BYOSM” policy around here . . . “bring your own straw man.” I would ask him what color the sky was in his world, but, since he considers blue the proper color for a football field, I’m sure he thinks the sky is green, and no one is going to change his mind with facts he mistakes for opinions that rebut the opinions he mistakes for facts.

Pete2012, you, sir, are the definition of a troll. Please do us the favor of embarrassing yourself somewhere else.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, Pete.

There’s no need for all this hyperbole. You keep talking about rational rule and logic, but you’re not exhibiting it. You refuse to comprehend that someone could possibly have a different opinion (keyword here) than you, so you distort your argument using over-the-top self-deprecating statements to make it seem like those who think differently than you are out of touch. Lighten up.

Here are the facts:
Many Georgia fans have high hopes for this year because we return a talented QB, talented TEs, and a spectacular special teams unit. Coupling these things with the prospect of an improved defense in year two of the 3-4, a new strength and conditioning program, and the top running back recruit in the nation, it gives reason to believe that we should improve (especially considering that in each of Georgia’s losses last year, we were within seven points of the opponent into the 4th quarter).

Did Georgia lose some games it shouldn’t have? Sure. Did untimely fumbles in those games cost Georgia dearly? Of course they did (namely, see Colorado, South Carolina, and Mississippi St.).

There’s a plethora of information that has been compiled both by Kleph (of RollBamaRoll) detailing the anomaly that was the 2010 Georgia football season. By just about any statistical measurement, Georgia should have won around nine games last year, and could have won a couple more. If you refuse to acknowledge this and want to base your opinion of the team solely on a 6-7 record and a few bad losses, fine, but atleast have the presence of mind to realize that others may have different opinions than those that you hold.

Regarding humility, it seems you could take a dose of that yourself, as the charmed existence you’ve been living the past few years as a Boise St. fan seems to have made you a bit of a megalomaniac.

If I didn’t know better and thought that you were indicative of the type of fan that follows the Broncos, I’d wish all of you a terrible journey to Atlanta, in which your plane has to be rerouted to Birmingham, causing you to have to take a rental car to Atlanta, where you subsequently get lost in Friday traffic on I-285, only to finally get off on Bankhead Highway, where you’re subsequently mugged and robbed of your tickets to the game, as well as any spending money you may have left over after having to fork over an arm and a leg for the rental car (which is stolen post-mugging by the mugger). You’re left on the side of the road at Lowery Blvd., only to finally make it to the Georgia Dome on Saturday just in time to see your beloved Broncos thoroughly beaten so badly that Jared Zabransky has to be committed to a mental institution because he can’t stop the flashbacks of 2005. Finally, you purchase a return trip back to Idaho, only to realize that in your haste to find a low-priced ticket, you mistakenly booked your flight for the incorrect month, causing you to have pay a flight change fee of $250 that you otherwise would never have had to pay. As it is, I don’t wish any of these things on the fanbase as a whole, as almost all of them seem to be splendid people, and I hope they thoroughly enjoy themselves in Atlanta…the sentiment is still valid for you, though. That is my opinion, and that is a fact.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 21, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wow, hit a sore spot heh?

I expected a more rational and logical conversation because there has got to be some uga conversation board that has decent fans on it who aren’t complete homers.

I never expected for all of you to agree with me, and realize I was foolish to expect a good conversation.
I’ll be putting up my house tomorrow to go all in on uga winning the NCG. The odds have got to be incredible! Thanks for the insider info!

by Pete2012 on Jul 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the he honestly trying to troll at least to piss people off, I think he got his butt handed to him with debate

and did the classic resort “homers!”. Some people confuse emotional attachment with logical debate. I gave him a logical retort above and no response.

Regardless, roger.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you a chance to see if we can find

logic in one of you….

Obsessed? Are you referring to the first game of the year? You must be because it doesn’t matter who we play it’s football man! How can you not be obsessed with the first game regardless of who it is, ranked, or unranked?

You’re right about playing uga, i would rather play LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansa, SC, even Florida over uga, for all the reasons we know why. The only thing Bronco fans can hope outta this game is that uga improves this year to not be considered a weak SEC team. But both of us know all the excuses that will be made after Boise beats uga, whether it’s by 20+ or by 3.

You’re kinda right about “if BSU loses.” Depending on how uga does the rest of the season. (completely hypothetical) If uga barely beats boise and runs through the sec, not such a bad loss, and you know how the other scenario’s would play out.

Yes, previous years most of the time to indicate how next years team will be. Statistically yes, but not always. And you’re point is poorly described when you refer to a season 30 yrs. ago.

What matters most is how uga does after it loses to Boise. But, even when Boise does win and “hypothetically” if uga were to play at the SEC champ. people just like yourself would say “oh if uga were to play Boise now they’d win.”

So yeah, we’d all rather play one of the other teams mentioned above for all those reasons. But, don’t think were not glad that the Dawgs were in such shambles MR decided to take a chance against Boise rather than Boise playin Ole Miss or whatever team we were gonna play first. uga was a better option than the 1-7 team.

Did I address your concerns?

by Pete2012 on Jul 21, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what,

everything you wrote, the style, the grammar, etc, looks eerily like a GT fan troll. I should have noticed it earlier. Especially the last paragraph. You display either Tech hate or massive ignorance in the scheduling process.

By the way, I trolled you intentionally to draw out this response. Too easy.

TTYL.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you visit other weblogs, Pete2012, . . .

. . . please try to quit being an obnoxious jackleg, and learn to use the shift key. The refusal to capitalize “UGA” is infantile, as are your arguments.

I mention “other weblogs,” of course, because you’re banned at this one. Ta ta.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thank you

Maybe now we can talk to some decent Boise fans that won’t misunderstand, misinterpret, and misrepresent everything that is said in an effort to reinforce idiotic facts…. oh wait, did I say facts? I meant opinions… and poorly formed ones at that.

Respectable and knowledgeable Bronco fans, we welcome you…. but no hype videos! :-)

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 21, 2011 7:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well said.

I agree that we shouldn’t let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch. Kevan, the rest of the OBNUG crew, and the overwhelming majority of Boise State fans who have come over here have been perfectly pleasant partisans of their team. We look forward to continued cordial interaction and good-natured back-and-forth with them as September 3 approaches.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW,

that guy has one post at OBNUG ever.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 21, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, hailtogeorgia.

I didn’t know that, but it’s good to know he’s not part of the OBNUG community. It reaffirms the judgment that Pete2012 was a troll, and the judgment that the Boise State fans at SB Nation’s Broncos weblog are good people.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How far right does this go............

By the way, you mentioned names with numbers, did Bravesfan have a number as well?

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, . . .

. . . there is a point at which it won’t shrink in the comments any more, and we have reached that point, which perhaps ought to tell us something. :)

Good point about Bravesfan; I’m not sure if he did.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure did.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 21, 2011 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sometimes, I need Rangers100 and the gang back

But I am codependent that way. It has worked out lovely in my romantic relationships.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And don't forget xinyue

At least his/her trolling provides a valuable service though. I got some smooth ReyBans for $7 with free shipping.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 21, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And . . .

. . . xinyue always ended his/her screen names with numbers!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And pictures of Ralph Friedgen

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 21, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I have no clue who he is

Please don’t take him as representative of the Boise fan base. We’re THRILLED you guys accepted to play us. I mean totally stoked. You guys have big time tradition based on big time success and you regularly play teams at the top of the pecking order with talent that is the cream of the crop. Whether you had a down season last year or not, GA will always be incredibly difficult to play and a true test of one’s abilities.

I’ll be there and I know almost the entire city of Boise would like to be there too. Thanks again for the game. Hopefully we’ll be able to host you guys some day. Boise is a beautiful place and the people are super cool.

Good luck after Sep 3rd!

The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight

by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Jul 22, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude²
I expected a more rational and logical conversation because there has got to be some uga conversation board that has decent fans on it who aren’t complete homers.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 21, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There you go with the hyperbole, again.

Did you even read what I read? Where, in all of that, did you see anything about the national championship? Where was anything even indicative of a homer? I gave you logical reasons as to why Georgia fans may be optimistic about the upcoming season. At this point, you’re doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “Nananana, I can’t hear you”, which is probably spot-on, given the way you’ve conducted yourself in this thread.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 21, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you didn't hit a sore spot, Pete2012.

You’re a moron, which is fine, but you’re obnoxious, which is a problem.

You’re getting plenty of rational and logical conversation here; you simply lack either the capacity or the willingness to take part in it, probably because of your aforementioned status as a moron.

If you’d spent any time here at all, you’d know we’re not “complete homers”; far from it, we tend to be more dour than circumstances require. Once again, absolutely no one has made the arguments you claim we have made, yet you persist in this childish behavior because you lack the ability to respond intelligently. This, I believe, is because you’re a moron.

Go away. I’m done showing you Southern hospitality and letting you sully the reputation of the Boise State fan base by behaving so badly.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burn!

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 21, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know why you're lumping UCF in with Colorado

The Colorado loss was bad. I don’t think anyone here would try and say it wasn’t. It was probably Richt’s worst loss (or second worst after the homecoming loss to Vandy in 2006) in his career. That said, UCF, while not the bestest team evah, went 11-3 and was a top 25 team. I would honestly say they were the second best team in Florida last year after only FSU.

by The984 on Jul 20, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spoiled delusion and hauteur rule your thoughts, homie.

I’ve covered and refrigerated the “It’s doubtful that UGA will field better lines than the one’s Boise has dominated the last couple of years” line so I can serve it to you cold in a few months.

by Grib on Jul 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm happy you found a nice warm blankie to snuggle up to and feel good

about for the next 40~ days, but no amount of covering will change facts or the future.

by Pete2012 on Jul 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, right now, even though they haven't played the game, "it's a fact" BSU's lines will dominate.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a

fact!

(So we traded an “OSU” for a “BSU.” Seems like there’s a symmetry there.)

by vineyarddawg on Jul 21, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have heard a lot about Georgia's team, but there are a couple things that I still don't know about.

1. How good is the linebacking corps? Who is the best of the bunch?
2. Who is your best DB? How good is he?
3. Is Georgia’s O-line really, really good or are they just beat up?
4. How good are the WRs? Is there a guy that I need to worry about as a Boise fan?

by wetter67 on Jul 19, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO

The first 3 are all question marks. I think the talent is there… but aside from Ben Jones on the OL we either have players that are still waiting for it to click or little previous evidence to go on. As for the 4th question, I think you probably have less to worry about with the WR’s than you do with the ridiculous stable of TEs. I’m personally hoping Bobo (master of the green notebook) recognizes this and steers clear of a more vertical passing game for what could be a deadly series of intermediate routes.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

IMHOAODO** (In my humble and overly detailed opinion)

1. Redcrake is right that we don’t have a firm grip on how good the LB corp is, but i would argue the two ILB guys who will be starting for us are going to do great things for us this year, Alec Ogletree was converted over from Safety b/c he is a hard hitter/potential play maker that Grantham wanted to get closer to the ball to do those things. Christian Robinson is the unquestioned leader and “QB” of the defense. As far as the best of the two its hard to say cause one knows how its done and the other has all the raw ability in the world to get it done. As far as OLB goes Jarvis Jones is said to be the best but hasn’t had a chance to prove it in a game and the rest are unproven or freshman.

2. If by DB you mean safety that answer Bacarri Rambo, how good is he? He’s had some really good games and some not as good games. So redcrake is right to see this as a concern and question mark.

3. Cordy Glenn and Ben Jones are NFL level talent according to Todd McShay, and we have confidence in them to get the job done. Honestly after that we have good size but we are thin on solid experience, and that’s saying it nicely.

4. As far as who you need to worry about catching the ball, the only two names that come to mind that are proven targets are WR Tavarres King and TE Orson Charles. Everybody else has talent but i can’t tell you based on past performances to be worried about them.

**(cause i’m obviously more humble than redcrake and about as brief as T. Kyle)

Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

I Corinthians 9:24

by Southern Dawg on Jul 20, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

As an admitted BSU homer...

I’m expecting a 6-10 point win (BSU) considering the losses on your O-line and RB – otherwise I’d be more in the 3-7 range. I’m expecting a good game that goes well into the 4th. Nothing but respect for your team and hope you keep your coach around a while – think he’s one of the more respectable SEC coaches.

CANT WAIT FOR KICKOFF!!!!

by jahkass on Jul 20, 2011 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

I appreciate that.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having just read the link about how much they wont to beat Georgia, I am sorry BSU, you are a little light headed.

It seems beating UGA means beating the SEC. If you beat UGA, you didnt beat the SEC. You have beat what maybe on the way to another bad UGA team. When you play Bama, LSU, Auburn and Florida then maybe you “beat the SEC”.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 20, 2011 2:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. Beating (what looks to be) a middle of the pack SEC team is a far cry from domination over the conference. Beyond that, it’s really not even much proof of deserving of a shot in the NCG against the SEC champ (or OU, FSU, etc), and it’s certainly not the kind of credibility game VT was intended to be last year (though James Madison kind of nullified that one as well).

I honestly don’t see what BSU has to gain from playing this game, and would be kind of upset about the scheduling were I a fan. If they win, it’s over a team that went 6-7 last year. If they lose, it completely destroys their credibility for another year. For our side – I’m obviously very concerned with the overall record, but I care so much more about the SC game that it’s not even close.

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." AJ's one-handed catch at Colorado

by AdamLilly on Jul 20, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well..... if Boise's gets it chance,

not only will they beat Georgia but they’ll get there chance at a top SEC team in a BCS bowl. That will mean beating the SEC. Let’s hope the BCS cartel doesn’t ruin that chance.

by Pete2012 on Jul 20, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey troll

BSU’s strength of schedule before the season is 51st in the nation. What’s TCU’s?

by daddy18 on Jul 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does TCU have to do with the price of tea in China?

Also, you, the person with five comments at DawgSports, are calling a regular commenter here a troll…on a Georgia blog? Does. Not. Compute.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 21, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a troll here dude. A big bad one!

It’s a fact! I am starting to love this. I have been accused of trolling my own blog and team. That’s like some internet reverse mind ninja stuff. I feel like I walked in a room a a spider monkey came off the ceiling at me.

Why we are at it, what’s UGA’s preseason’s SoS? You know, so we can have some facts.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did not just call you a troll.

Rangers100 . . . Pete2012 . . . daddy18 . . . what is it with dudes with numbers at the ends of their screen names? Maybe it’s a HAL-9000 thing, and we’re at the point at which they won’t open the pod bay door for Dave Bowman. . . .

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I'm sorry Dave."

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss something?

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 21, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm offended by the offended!

(There was some old Lewis Grizzard joke that went like that).

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad, The984!

I knew I was going to offend someone inadvertently! :)

How ’bout if we carve out an exception for numbered names that are the definite article? A984? Loser! The984? First rate guy!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A simple solution

Not all guys with numbers names are trolls, but all trolls have numbered names. All numbered names must be regarded with suspicion until they prove their awesomeness with superior debating skills like The984.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 22, 2011 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

He's using Phil Steele's system

Boise State is 51. UGA is 53. I don’t know how the figures are calculated to get the rankings, so I can’t comment with certainty on how close the two schedules really are, but I figure they are pretty close. He also has a ranking of schools by opponents’ win percentage from the previous season. Boise is in a three way tie at #41 with an opponent win percentage of 55.2%. We’re at #45 (only Tulsa is in between) with an opponent win percentage of 54.5%. The difference is literally one win. Their opponents went 85-69. Ours went 84-70.

by The984 on Jul 21, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. So, like everything else preseason IRT rankings, it's mostly crap.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, The984. You've been bringing the truth like nobody's business today.

I’m much obliged to you for that, honestly.

All I would add (only because the Pete2012s of the world deserve to have a little snark thrown their way) is this: “Of course Boise State’s strength of schedule is higher than Georgia’s; they have to play Georgia!”

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 21, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

preseason strength of schedule numbers are pretty much vodoo

no matter how you calculate them, beyond very rough estimates. End of regular season numbers, somewhat less.

by drothgery on Jul 21, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our DB Sucks- A Fact

A fact we only have one great back on the def. therefor Boise will have a field day passing on us, If we can’t put up enough points to stay in the game with them Boise will win this game by 17 point are more, Our puzzled running backs isn’t taking care yet but it want be no factor because this will be a passing game. It will be just like the Ga Au game we just couldn’t keep up with them, our Def got tired and our Offense couldn’t move the changes down the field…

by JabezD on Jul 20, 2011 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you random dude that signed up for an account just to bash your own team

(Supposedly).

Your firm grasp of the English language gives me great confidence in your analysis.

Echidna.

"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone

by RedCrake on Jul 20, 2011 7:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I want dont know why

are you so offensive being to the guy new?

by UGAVike on Jul 20, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who let you out of the ESPN message boards?

Nobody on the SBNation blogs speaks your language.

"Shiloh Keo got a MOUTHFUL of Doug Martin!" - Joe Tessitore

by D_Summit on Jul 20, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good Article and Nice Thread

This thread feels like the “true” start to the UGA football season. It is nice to hear BSU fans’ perspectives and to listen to the opinions of some the the regulars here. I, for one, am reserving my full opinions and views about this matchup for now. I think the Dawgs have a lot of unknowns, but may be sneaky good. The oft referred to “losses” at RB and the state of the OL may convert into something very good for Red Clay Hounds as the season unfolds. The “D” may be a lot better in the second year of a new system and DCoord. All I can say is that this matchup is exciting and that anyone that dismisses either team is not being objective and may be in for a surprise.

2 years to the Cup

by Caniac233 on Jul 20, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Well said. Rec'd!

Most of us Boise State folks are level headed, contrary to some folks opinions. Every team has the 2% of their fanbase that give the other 98% a black eye.

there is no 'Z' in 'Boise, there is no 'O' in 'Petersen and there is no edit button on SBNation, oh, and there is no sarcasm font on SBNation

by Boise State of Mind on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Boise State of Mind.

I’ve been working my way through this thread on my lunch break, and this was a good comment on which to end (though, of course, folks are free to continue commenting hereafter)!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 20, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last!

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 20, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I knew it!

you’re St. Simons!

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 20, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel much better

For some reason I had the feeling BSU was going to be allowed to play with a ball filled with helium while UGA was going to be forced to play with a ball filled with lead shot or possibly packed with horse turds. Either way I am excited and can hardly wait.

by JRL on Jul 20, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Haterz!

(insert gif here)

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Jul 21, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

(sniff)...

… I’m so proud!

(It’s a fact!)

by vineyarddawg on Jul 21, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." AJ's one-handed catch at Colorado

by AdamLilly on Jul 21, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did the Boise fans get so much hubris?

Just reading through all these comments to day, I’ve come to a conclusion that the Boise fans that are willing to venture over here (to use a bad baseball analogy) seem to have the hubris and arrogance of a New York Yankees fan when Boise only has the a Tampa Bay Rays history. Sure are wasting a lot of words and space on the blog of a team that shouldn’t even bother to show up in the Dome.

Sarcasm aside, Boise State may very well beat Georgia and it would be deserved. I believe the Boise fans would be well served to heed the words of wisdom of Mr. Wolf from Pulp Fiction when he said (my apologies for the language) “Well, let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks quite yet”.

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by AuditDawg on Jul 21, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sorry for the bad PR a couple people are giving Boise

I’m not convinced they are even Boise fans. As I wrote above, the Boise fanbase is really excited to play you and give tremendous respect to your program.

I think you’ll have a lot of fun hanging out with the Boise fans that travel. Hopefully we can host you some day in return. Boise is an amazing city. Fall is the perfect time to visit too.

See you at the game and good luck after Sep 3rd

The key is not the "will to win" - everybody has that. It is the will to prepare to win that is important. ~ Bobby Knight

by Please Spay and Neuter Your Pets on Jul 22, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Don’t worry, we know every fan base has a handful of bad apples, and you’re right . . . that Pete2012 guy has virtually no history at OBNUG, so his status as a Broncos fan is highly doubtful.

Y’all are all right. We’ll see y’all in Atlanta.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

OBNUG Member here;

I’ve had some good exchanges with First & Thom on OBNUG and would like to let you all know he has represented your fanbase well, showcasing tact, wit, intellect, and informed insight…a class act all the way around.

We both agree this game will be won or lost in the trenches primarily. Among my concern points as a BSU fan;

1) How will BSU’s OL handle the sheer size/athleticism of UGa’s DL?

2) Will BSU’s OL work fluidly enough to pick up the 3-4’s disguised blitz schemes?

3) How well will playcalling neutralize UGa’s 3-4?
  - I have heard that UGa’s 3-4 is no joke.
  - As a Dallas Cowboys fan I am familiar w/ Grantham’s schemes.
  - My Dad currently resides in Alabama, not far from Atlanta actually. He reported to me
    that, in a recent Roundtable of SEC coaches, most coaches said they could not control
    UGa’s 3-4
– This question is huge for me as I highly respect the 3-4 as a defense, Grantham as an
    architect, and UGa’s acquisition/shifting of personnel, and general adaptation of the
    players to the various roles

4) With a revamped secondary, can BSU’s DL get enough pressure on Murray to keep him
   from shredding us?

  - Can our secondary make the appropriate adjustments pre-snap while also disguising it’s
    coverages?

5) How will our Special Teams perform as a whole?
  - As mentioned above, we have a new kicker AND Punter
  - Perhaps more importantly, given Boykin’s prolific ability, is our kick coverage
    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2OL4L3soE
      - It’s a PR, but this is what Oregon St.’s James Rodgers did on The Blue last year

I have the following observations to offer;

1) BSU’s DL is not small for a 4 man line. For their primary 8 they average 290 lbs.
    - The DE’s go between 258 and 276
    - The DT’s are between 295 and 320
    - No one outside of Nevada has run on the Broncos defense with anything even
      approaching success
– That includes a TCU team averaging 276 rush yds a game coming in and an Oregon
         team that ran over everyone else on their way to a Rose Bowl after looking
         downright anemic vs. BSU
       - The size of UGa’s line will make for an interesting case study on this trend

2) Should Boise State run an ACE package as their primary offense it could spell trouble for UGa. (I say if b/c Petersen tailors his game plan for each opponent)
     - The Two TE offense is an excellent counter-punch for any 3-4 defense
     - Boise St. has the personnel and experience to run this offense
- See http://www.obnug.com/2011/7/18/2281333/another-uga-tailback-in-
       trouble#72187902 for more info.

Have a terrific day fellas.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jul 24, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

To make that last link easier

 http://www.obnug.com/2011/7/18/2281333/another-uga-tailback-in-trouble#72187902

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jul 24, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, pjohn56.

All excellent points.

You make a valid argument about Boise State’s defensive line. Please don’t misapprehend my use of the word “undersized,” which I concede may be the wrong word; certainly, these things are relative. One thing we absolutely agree on is that the Broncos’ defensive front is underrated. BSU’s offense gets all the headlines, from the trick plays against Oklahoma to Kellen Moore’s status as a Heisman Trophy finalist, but the quality of the Broncos’ defensive play has been what elevated Boise State to its present level of national prominence.

One aspect that interests me about this matchup is the difference in approaches both coaches took to their respective spring games. Georgia’s was plain vanilla; Mark Richt specifically told his coordinators they could not call any play or scheme that wasn’t used last year, so as not to put anything new on film. BSU, on the other hand, went all out, using multiple formations and schemes on both sides of the ball. It will be interesting to see how that chess match plays out, as well.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 24, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you noticed, it shows some football acumen

I love the BSU defense and I fully agree that their D is what has defined this team lately. Even the offense plays a tougher brand of football now than in years past, imo at least partly due to the tough practices against the D.

I’m sure we’ll both being seeing some new wrinkles come Game Day. Outside of the Spring Game, Coach Pete holds closed practices. He also doesn’t talk w/ the media unless he has to…and he doesn’t have to do it much. That’s one of the reasons he stays at BSU I’m sure…total control of the program and total faith from the fanbase.

I read an article recently in which George Iloka mentioned that the team was so immensly Senior laden, many of them Redshirt Seniors, that they were able to practice plays and formations that they probably wouldn’t have been able to do before. That may explain some for the wide open spring game.

TY for the response and best of luck for the rest of the season boys. I’m from Florida but I grew up a ‘Noles fan…which means I hate the Gators…which, coincidentally, also means it’s taken some getting used to for me to like BSU’s colors rofl. Best of luck fellas.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jul 24, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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