How Many Games Do the Georgia Bulldogs Have to Win in 2011 for Mark Richt to Keep His Job?
Yesterday, when I asked whether Gary Patterson really represented an upgrade over Mark Richt, the ensuing discussion included an examination of the critical question surrounding all of these conversations; namely, how many games does Coach Richt have to win in 2011 to keep his job for 2012?
I have been saying for a while now that there are three benchmarks by which the Georgia Bulldogs’ 2011 campaign will be judged. These are they:
- Win nine regular-season games
- Win the SEC East
- Beat the Florida Gators
My surmise, which I repeated as recently as last Wednesday’s radio interview, has been that, if the Bulldogs accomplish at least two of those three objectives, Mark Richt will return in 2012; if they don’t, he won’t.
That, though, was before Caleb King was declared academically ineligible for the 2011 season, a development for which Coach Richt cannot be blamed. Clearly, Coach Richt tried to send King a wake-up call by suspending him for the Liberty Bowl over academic failings which did not render him ineligible by NCAA standards, and it ought to be a point in Coach Richt’s favor that he did the right thing regarding Washaun Ealey, even while knowing King was academically at risk. The loss of our top two returning tailbacks prevents me from sharing the optimism of some Georgia fans, but, since I called upon Coach Richt to be more bold, I’m not going to hold it against him that he has taken a stand in favor of standards, particularly since it has produced a much more encouraging offseason, one highlighted by a nine-month stretch without a player arrest.
The question then becomes, to what extent is Coach Richt entitled to a mulligan by virtue of the losses of Ealey and King as the Red and Black prepare for probably the country’s toughest two-game opening stretch against the Boise St. Broncos and the South Carolina Gamecocks? Is the math altered at all by the recent change in circumstances, and, if so, by how much?
Suppose, for instance, that Isaiah Crowell takes a couple of games to find his feet, inasmuch as he is a true freshman and he will face a pair of daunting defensive fronts on the season’s first two Saturdays, and, consequently, Georgia stumbles to an 0-2 start in a pair of competitive games. Crowell then begins to come into his own, leading the ‘Dawgs to an 8-2 run down the stretch, culminating in a New Year’s Day bowl game against a Big Ten team in the Sunshine State.
Will that be enough to save Mark Richt’s job? Should it be? If that scenario plays out, how much would it matter whether the Auburn Tigers, Florida Gators, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, and Tennessee Volunteers were among the "8" or among the "2"? Is a win over Florida plus a loss to Georgia Tech better or worse than a loss to Florida plus a win over Georgia Tech? How important will, or should, the outcome of the bowl game be?
It isn’t as though we’ve never fired a head coach after an 8-4 season; that, in fact, is how Mark Richt got this job. However, Jim Donnan’s 2000 team was expected to win the SEC East and contend for the national championship, and it didn’t come close to doing either, whereas expectations for the 2011 Bulldogs necessarily have been ratcheted down due to unavoidable offseason attrition.
Then again, Mark Richt essentially had in 2008 the season Jim Donnan had in 2000, falling from preseason national title hopeful to second-tier team, both in the division and in the state, and the returns have been diminishing ever since. Coach Donnan never played for an SEC championship, but he never had a losing season after his first one, either. Is 8-4 in 2011 a sign of progress, or is it too little, too late?
Does it matter how Georgia loses the games it loses? Is a comeback that falls just short different from a fourth-quarter collapse? Is another overtime loss in Jacksonville an indication that the gap is narrowing or proof that we just can’t get over the hump in the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party? Is it better if the ‘Dawgs are losing games by scores of 10-7 instead of 34-31?
I wish I could say that I have those answers, but I’m not so sure I do. I keep looking at those three benchmarks, and I keep wondering to what extent any or all of them have been rendered unattainable or unrealistic by Caleb King’s academic reversals. Surely, we should know what we have in Isaiah Crowell by the time we get to the Gateway City, so a win over Florida should be roughly as possible now as it was before. Does King’s departure render the Boise State game so much less winnable that nine victories are appreciably more improbable? Does his departure render the South Carolina game so much less winnable that a division crown is dramatically more unlikely?
It seems like those first two games, already the toughest on the schedule, just got that much tougher, but, given the Bulldogs’ thinness on the offensive line, in the defensive secondary, and (now) at tailback, ought we to be more worried about the end of the schedule than the beginning? Just a handful of key injuries could be all that stands between this team and absolute disaster, and it isn’t as though the injury excuse was adequate to save Ray Goff when Robert Edwards and Mike Bobo were lost for the season in 1995. In any event, as the list of all that reasonably might go wrong lengthens, the chances that none of them will worsen, and our hopes decrease commensurately.
At the end of the day, all I really know to do at this juncture is ask the questions, so I’m asking.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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The Ultimate Answer?

I’m sorry, what was the question again?
by vineyarddawg on Jul 12, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I've noticed
There is quite a Marvin-esque quality about the Dawgsports community over the last few years.
"If there's one thing worse than chlamydia, it's Florida." ~ Emma Stone
by RedCrake on Jul 12, 2011 8:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh...
1942 was a very good year for us…
It may be the answer. Only 31 more years!
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
Or it could be at a 9-6 season is the answer...
… since we all know that 6×9=42.
by vineyarddawg on Jul 12, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a more nebulous standard
If, under the circumstances, I feel that, normally, Richt has earned the right to another year in order to see how it goes, he should be fired. I had that attitude at the end of the last season. I can’t attribute it to hard numbers or set metrics. It’s just a gut feeling. If, on the other hand, I feel that Richt has earned a right to stay, well, he has earned a right to stay.
It’s just hard to quantify in my mind.
Personally
It’s a gut feeling.
If UGA were 100% healthy and didn’t lose Ealey, King, Jones (potentially for a few games), many of OL, and Lord knows who next, then I would be much harsher.
I’m not saying the loss of players is an absolute excuse, but our expectations with a team of freshmen and razor-thin depth at certain positions should be realistic.
That said, I want to see our offensive be efficient, I want to see our OL pushing the opposing DL off the blocks, I want to see textbook tackling, and I want to see less bone-headed mistakes. Thus, if we play better, I want Richt to stay, regardless of record (within reason).
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
I voted the no set number option...
but you’re 3 benchmarks sounds strong.
9-10+ wins
Florida
SEC East
That seems about right. Mine, as kind of said yesterday, is more a winning record out of the 5 game set SC, UT, UF, AU, GT. Win 3 of those 5, and he’s probably safe. Win 4 or 5 of those 5, and he’s definitely safe for a while. Lose 3 of those 5, and he’s probably in trouble. Lose 4 or 5 of those 5, and he’s definitely in trouble.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
8-4 regular season and it could go either way
any better and I’m confident he returns
any worse and I’m confident he’s gone
The bowl game and who the losses are to will determine how hot his seat is going into the next year.
For example: at 9-3 regular season, a bowl win plus one of the 3 losses not being to Florida makes his 2012 seat a good bit cooler. A 9-3 regular season plus ugly bowl loss and one of the 3 was in Jax, keeps him warm going into 2012.
8-4 is the mystery number to me because the ultimate decision on his fate will need to be made before the bowl game most likely.
Dawg fan by birth,
no longer in Beaumont by the grace of God.
by Dawg in Beaumont on Jul 12, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions
And
if you take half of each number you have thrown out there, you get 4-2 or 42 which was reported to be the answer earlier.
What are the chances of that???
It’s a sign! (This sign, in fact…)

by vineyarddawg on Jul 12, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Y'all are not sufficiently pessimistic.
I don’t see any reason why everyone’s expectations are so high. Win the East and beat the Gators? Of course Richt will be back then. I suggest that any one (not two) of Kyle’s list at the beginning of the article would suffice to keep our coach employed. Win seven games, but beat FL? Particularly if we win a bowl game? That’s not going to get Richt fired. Lose to Florida and win only eight games, but win the SEC East? Look, if we win the SEC East, there is no way Richt is getting fired. Win nine games? Clear sign of improvement. Once again, Richt is retained.
None of these things are going to quiet all the grumbling by themselves, but they would suffice to show enough improvement to keep the powers that be from pulling the trigger on a new coach – who almost certainly would not be Gary Patterson.
From a personal perspective, I would also feel adequate about any one of the benchmarks in the OP. I expect this season to be painful, but have high hopes for 2012.
Quiet all the grumblings
Short of an SEC championship, there will be grumblings somewhere. Win an SEC championship but fail to win a National Championship, and I bet you still could hear some grumbling if you listened carefully. Grumblers will grumble.
by NCT on Jul 12, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
vineyarddawg "grumblers gonna grumble" gif in . . .
. . . 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Jul 12, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think I didn't look for one!
Apparently, however, such a thing does not already exist, and I do not have enough time at present to create one myself. :-(
by vineyarddawg on Jul 12, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Have expectations on a top 10 caliber program
fallen so far that in a coach’s 11th season on campus 7 wins is considered good? Has our talent fallen that far even though Richt’s routinely hauled in top 10 rated classes every single February than 7 wins is acceptable?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 12, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
McGarity and Adams will ultimately decide
And they will evaluate CMR’s entire body of work, as it should be. If minor player and staff infractions were to increase, poor performance/effort on the field rear its ugly head, and most importantly, fan malaise were to set in, then Richt is gone. But we have a good core of players, favorable schedule, and a head coach who clearly notes that he does not suffer from amnesia. I’m not even convinced he’s on the “hot seat” with whom it matters. Either be able to re-assert his credentials with what he has to work with this year, or simply fall victim to the “any change must be good” philosophy of management. If there were any really hot coaching prospect(s) available for UGA out there, I think CMR is in more trouble, but the truth is, we’d be hard pressed to find better than Richt, just different.
P.S. That’s not being a Disney Dawg….just being realistic about how big money CFB seems to work.
Run Lindsay Run!
by ausdawg85 on Jul 12, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed...
But I guess I’m too stupid, though, to join in the Patterson bandwagon (but, then again, maybe we should be searching for a coach who has a proven winning record against the SEC (Vanderbilt 30-14 2003)).
by Ohio-On-The-Gulf Dog on Jul 12, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
the answer is 3
Tech, Auburn & FL – if he win’s those 3 he could probably lose every other game.
I can bake like a demon.
There is some truth in this,
a lot of the old money and old heads still look at beating tech as the thing. If we beat UT, UF, AU and GT and lost the rest, it would be a wacky as hell year, and CMR would likely retain his job. The problem we are facing is the BSU / SC combo. Beating BSU goes a long ways in the mental mindset. And in reality, SC was good when the East was down, they were never great. I want us to go into the SC game with a pumped up positive attitude. After that, it gets much easier.
So I don’t double post, I think how we win as well as how we lose is just as important as wins a losses. Lazy players, gimmicks, poor fundamentals, attitudes, green notebook, et all, those are the things I have been bitching about for the last two years that have me concerned. Look, it’s hard to win them all every year, and it aint going to happen. But how many times last year did UGA come out of the tunnel for both halves and look completely shocked they actually had to play football? The players and coaches seemed unprepared and nothing happened at halftime to change it. And for the first time, CMR lost the games he should win, something that had never happened before (Colorado and Central Florida). Part of CMR’s success is he always won the games that you marked as an automatic win before. We lose to a second tier school again, that to me is far, far worse than losing to a rival.
So there is no magic number, its how we win or lose, and how it all shakes out in the end. What we need in 2011 is improvement. If there is malaise in 2012, then that’s it. I would hate to fire a coach with all these great recruits coming in. I think 8 wins is a realistic number for wins. As posted above, win the East, and the rest doesn’t matter. It would be a damned shame not to beat UF this year, but I don’t think it hinges on that.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by tankertoad on Jul 12, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you Kyle
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Bet you feel bad now . . .
. . . for calling me out on the concision thing in the other thread, don’t you? :)
Go 'Dawgs!
I feel good about it...
would’ve completely missed it without toad’s help.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Amen
I think McGarrity has enough gray matter to appreciate the role that coaching plays in the game. Winning games on talent differential goes straight to the bottom line, but UGA can do better than coaches who lose unless they win in February.
If we lose close games to strong competition despite our guys’ being ready for the game and despite a good gameplan, that’s one thing. If we drop games ‘cuz that how we roll, that’s another.
by first and thom on Jul 12, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2008 when Phillip Fulmer was fired...
The big phrase Mike Hamilton used as the season wore on (though not publicly) was that he was looking for a “win he could hang his hat on”. I would imagine a similar sentiment will come into play if Georgia gets off to a rocky start. If the Dawgs struggle out of the gate, it will be less about what the final win total is and more about who the wins are against.
Bring it across, shape it down
I would not use anything Mike Hamilton ever said or did as a positive example of... well, anything.
(no offense)
by vineyarddawg on Jul 12, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
None taken
Aside from handling of coach hirings and firings, Mike Hamilton is actually a really good dude. His work with local and national charities is really admirable. FWIW.
Bring it across, shape it down
by Getoffmyvols on Jul 12, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
TKK, you're right on the money ...
Mayor, I think achieving 2 of those 3 is the formula for the Mark Richt Victory Watch to continue as a feature in 2012. I think he needs 9 regular season wins because I’m not sure he still has the political capital to survive an 8 win regular season with a mid-tier (at best) bowl victory to go along with it. I can’t see a realistic scenario where 8 wins gets us in the SEC title game even with a win over UF. The worst case scenario would be 9 regular season wins with a loss to UF, no appearance in the title game and a win in a meaningless New Year’s Day game. I think that would tear the Georgia fan base apart between those who won’t be happy until Coach Richt brings a crystal football to Athens and those who say we can’t fire a coach who just won 77% of his games this year.
It depends on the end results
1) If Georgia wins the SEC East (or more), it’s a moot point.
2) If Georgia does not win the SEC East, then:
a) Did they not win it because a divisional foe had a great year and Georgia had a good year,
b) Did they not win it because they were one of a pack of mediocre teams, or
c) Did they not win it because they were awful, or
c) Did they not win it because Spurrier lives to beat UGA, Tennessee treats visiting Dawg teams like they caught them stealing something, Guz Malzahn is a sooper genius, and Florida could find a way to turn the ball over 14 times in Jacksonville and still win?
If the answer is “a”, then Mark Richt will continue his gainful employment in Athens. If it is “b”, then who the hell knows. If it is “c”, then he will permanently relocate to Honduras.
My say was the 8 with a WLOCP win, etc....
…but my gut feeling is that CMR’s fate will be decided at the final gun in week 2. Granted, he’ll have to be better than 6-7, and beat some of the rivals, but a 2-0 start all but assures an additional year.
Starting 1-1 (1-0 SEC) is betting odds for Richt, but 1-1 (0-1 SEC) is very negative indicator in my book. 0-2 and I’d lay 6-5 odds he doesn’t see the Tech game unless the Dawgs start beating opponents like they stole Herschel’s Heisman.
I think that 4-0 vs UF, UT, AU and GT would probably carry him (with a decent-quality, quality bowl win) but I don’t know if he’d be around to see that after an 0-2 start. Beyond that, I agree that winning the East brings him back for one more year, regardless of HOW they win it (the ‘05(?) ruling about the tiebreaker going to the highest BCS ranking comes to mind) but that without that they Dawgs need to fill my vote’s criteria to bring Richt back.
The POSSIBLE exception is, say, a 1-1 start (losing to SC) that sees them win 8 games (losing to UF) but seeing a ton of promise and improvement from the “Dream Team.” But I think that would have to be predicated on a run to, say, 4-2, followed by a port/starboard finish and an Outback Bowl win.
NOTE: Can anybody else tell I’ve been doing Risk Mitigation exercises while drinking bourbon??? Stupid CISSP…….
He will not get fired mid season. Few schools do that, and we certainly wouldn't do that to him.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by tankertoad on Jul 14, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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