All-Wednesday Morning Dawg Bites of the Year Would Like to Thank Both the Academy and the East Wichita Chick-fil-A
Midweek is upon us, Bulldog Nation is climbing out from under the rubble of the second half of the SEC Championship Game, and, what do you know, the sun is still shining, and there is news---good news, even!---to report, so buckle up, dive in, and hang on, because these are your Wednesday morning Dawg bites:
- The results of last Saturday’s game notwithstanding, it has been a good week for the Georgia Bulldogs. Orson Charles and Jarvis Jones made All-American, nine Bulldogs made All-SEC, Isaiah Crowell was named SEC freshman of the year, Keith Marshall committed to Mark Richt, Jake Scott was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame, and tankertoad is getting a Chick-fil-A, so, basically, everyone is going home a winner!
- One honor that isn’t yet in the bag, however, is Mark Richt’s much-deserved coach of the year accolade. Coach Richt is one of ten Division I-A finalists for national coach of the year, and you may vote for him here. Somewhat closer to home, Team Speed Kills is conducting a poll to determine whether James Franklin, Les Miles, or Mark Richt is most deserving of the SEC coach of the year award. (Incidentally, Coach Franklin and Coach Miles both ranked the Bulldogs in the top ten in the final coaches’ poll.)
- One would think that his status as a finalist for a national coach of the year award would save Mark Richt from the perpetuation of the insipid “hot seat” meme, but, unfortunately, Matt Hayes of The Sporting News has written one of the five stupidest sports articles ever published on the internet that didn’t appear at Bleacher Report. In a piece ominously (and ludicrously) titled “Richt’s job safe for now, but blowout loss could change things,” Hayes supports his indefensible thesis by quoting Michael Adams on Mark Richt’s job security, writing:
“If we win Saturday, he’ll be back,” Adams said. “If we lose, we’re going to fire him.”
The room exploded in laughter. Once the uproar of the joke subsided, Adams said, “I would be surprised if Mark Richt weren’t the coach here next year.”
And there you have it. Given a chance to secure the livelihood of his coach for a few more years—a coach who has averaged nearly 10 wins a season and led Georgia to 10 straight wins this fall going into Saturday’s SEC championship game against LSU—Adams punted.
He told a poorly-timed joke and then couldn’t bring himself to say Richt will be the coach at Georgia next year. Period.
Reading that tripe, I was reminded of the “West Wing” episode in which the perennially indignant manufactured ersatz outrage over an innocuous comment. “I don’t see it,” said one bewildered White House staffer. “Well,” replied another, “you got to want it.”
This weblog does not often play host to the World’s Largest Outdoor Michael Adams Support Party, but the dude made a joke about how ridiculous the hot seat meme is, and Hayes responded by saying, “See? He’s affirming how serious the hot seat meme is!” No, he isn’t, which brings me back to the aforementioned “West Wing” episode, in which the first White House staffer asked what was being done about the public relations faux pas. “Well,” came the response, “I wanted my office to issue a statement saying, ‘You’re annoying, shut up.’” Yeah, that sounds about right. - Last night, Andy Landers’s Lady Bulldogs rode Mercer hard and put the Bears up wet, prevailing in Macon by an 80-43 margin. The Georgia women’s basketball team shot 46 per cent from the field (33 of 72), drained 76 per cent of the club’s free throws (13 of 17), and profited by 22 Mercer turnovers (including 14 steals). The Red and Black were up by 16 just before the break, and they extended their lead to 20 points with a little more than four minutes elapsed in the second half. Jasmine Hassell led all scorers with 16 points.
- Not only does Bill Connelly have exactly the right attitude about bowl games, he also picks Georgia to beat the Michigan St. Spartans in Tampa. Although Off Tackle Empire views the Outback Bowl as a toss-up, they also have a picture of William Tecumseh Sherman on their weblog over the caption “I wish I had done more,” so take that for what it’s worth. (Seriously, though, guys, the picture of General Sherman over that caption is in unbelievably poor taste. Heck, we find the memory of that vile man so offensive that, when the Texas A&M Aggies joined the SEC, they thought it prudent to fire Mike Sherman.)
- I don’t know which part of this is more cool, the “Dr. Pepper is seriously the best thing that has ever happened to me” line, or the fact that I was in the building to see her do it live. (Come to think of it, that was the last highlight of the night, from my perspective.)
- The Boise St. Broncos deserve to receive bids to BCS bowl games, but the Big East doesn’t, so it is with mixed emotions that I greet the news that Boise State is poised to bring credibility to the country’s least legitimate automatically-qualifying conference. I congratulate the Broncos on their well-earned (and long-predicted) advancement, and I wonder (since the Central Florida Knights reportedly will be joining them) whether this means this year’s season-opening loss, and last year’s season-ending loss, might not be counted against us quite as much. Anyone? Anyone? Hello?
That’s probably about all the news you can handle for one Wednesday morning, so finish up that morning cup of coffee, dive into your workday, and look for the podcast to be posted later today.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Good compilation there
A few quick observations:
-Sporting News, you’re better than that
-Hope Landers can lead the Lady Dawgs to a deep tourney run. All he is missing is an NCAAW tourney title to be considered an all time great in the whole sport.
-I’m growing more excited about our bowl matchup. At first I thought “Yawn” another Big Ten team we’ve played multiple times that isn’t one of the huge names. But the Spartans are a very good team that I think will give us a good test, and a win would set us up with a strong pre-season ranking. Like it or not, that definitely does matter.
-Go Dawgs, let’s get 3 straight wins over GT in hoops to match our 3 straight in Football. Fox has never lost to them and they haven’t won in Stegeman since 1976 (their women have never won in Stegeman).
If ya can't beat em, bitch about how they illegally operate scooters
by Dawg in Beaumont on Dec 7, 2011 8:48 AM EST reply actions
One more observation
-The sun is not shining in Atlanta.
by AcworthDawg on Dec 7, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I wrote this last night.
I should’ve checked with DavetheDawg for a weather report first.
Can we maybe agree that I meant the sun metaphorically was shining? No?
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Sorry
I just found it ironic this morning when I read it.
by AcworthDawg on Dec 7, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D
… for correct use of “ironic”. It made me smile.
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by NCT on Dec 7, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's like raaaiiiiaaannnn on your wedding day...
by Cherokee's Grip on Dec 7, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to read too much into it...
You could argue that Alanis is accusing God of being ironic. She’s never struck me as quite that subtle, but she does seem to have some…ahem, religious issues on that album.
FWIW, “coincidental; unexpected” is the third definition on dictionary.com. The inmates are running the asylum.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 7, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's ironic because the song, based on its lyrics alone, isn't actually about irony
The 984 Has Spoken!
Man, that's like 10,000 spoons...
… when all you need is a knife.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 7, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
The irony of the song . . .
. . . is that nothing in the song is actually ironic.
You have to appreciate it on a deeper level, man! :)
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I'm such a nerd
that I try to make the lyrics sarcastic. “It’s like raiiiaaaannnn on your wedding day (and you’re a weatherman)…”
by Cherokee's Grip on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody fetch an Andersonville photo for Team Speed Kills
… captioned “We wish we had fed them less.”
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by NCT on Dec 7, 2011 9:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Or, if you want to go another direction with it...
… I could totally believe that General Sherman actively protected rapists and child molesters under his command. In fact, I’m pretty sure he did.
So maybe their picture is accurate, after all.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 7, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since you quoted the relevant portion of Matt Hayes' article, I didn't even click on the link.
I try to avoid giving web hits to morons.
In fact, we know that Bleacher Report is hiring… as you implied, Kyle, Hayes’ writing would fit right in over there. Maybe they should contact him ASAP…
What an idiot.
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Watch the narrative for next year to be something along the lines of...
“Mark Richt acquitted himself from the hot seat last season. What does he have to do to keep himself off the hot seat?”
The 984 Has Spoken!
He must win the national championship or he will be fired.
And if Georgia doesn’t win the national championship game by at least 21 points, he will still be on the hot seat in 2013.
/Narrative’d
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 7, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, you know Les Miles' life philosophy:

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by vineyarddawg on Dec 7, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
This guy's hair
weirds me out every time I see it. I have no rational explanation for why but it just does.
I'm not saying it was done by an alien.
But it was done by an alien.
What’s that you say? Aliens can’t do hairstyling? Well, there’s certainly no evidence that they don’t do hairstyling! It’s entirely possible!
by elfcrash on Dec 7, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You went school in Athens and THIS is the hair that weirds you out?
by rbubp on Dec 7, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Dirty hippies...
I can ignore. Shows about aliens and history, I cannot.
by AcworthDawg on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What an idiot
It’s just stupid to compare Mark Richt to Derek Dooley and Mike Sherman, two coaches with no championships and not many more wins. He also apparently doesn’t understand jokez.
As far as the people at OTE, their aspersions about southern intelligence and “rebel scum” comments are tired and reek of bitterness. Yankees suck.
Hayes, stupidity is reminiscint of...
Jim Rome’s rant about Richt’s comments on Knowhson’s “hurdle” play making the ESPN highlight reel. remember that? Completely taken out of context. Maybe Rome’s comments were even more insideous because he has a national TV program. Oh wait, Rome’s tv program? People watching? HaHaHa.
Rack em!
Jim Rome’s voice/attitude makes Stephen A Smith’s voice sound like Sinatra
If ya can't beat em, bitch about how they illegally operate scooters
by Dawg in Beaumont on Dec 7, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
In a perfect world
It wouldn’t have been Jim Everett getting insulted by Jim Rome on TV. It would have been Carl from Sling Blade.
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by Grib on Dec 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone mention Mandel on SI
rated the MSU-UGA match-up fifth best of the bowl season?
"Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees." Thomas J. Jackson
I hadn't caught that. Thanks, Dr. Morpheus.
Despite my (relative) disappointment when the pairing was announced, I agree with Dawg in Beaumont, supra, that it’s a good matchup between comparable teams, which will provide Georgia with a meaningful victory and momentum (in the polls, if nowhere else) should the Bulldogs win.
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I've been spending way too much time obsessively reading UGA coverage...
just like everyone else.
"Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees." Thomas J. Jackson
Does this mean...
they’ll be watching in Montana?
by katdawg on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks, skandrewj62j.
We aim to please!
/ObscureHistoricalReferences’R’Us
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No only lost...
But was so thoroughly destroyed that it was never able to regain the regional power it held before.
But in our case...
… the Ottomans (i.e. Alabamians) destroyed the Spartans before we battled them, not after.
So we’re good.
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Ottomans?
Boetians first broke the Spartan hegemony in the early 300’s, and then Alexander’s dad Phillip cleaned up what was left. Macedonians, FTW!
by first and thom on Dec 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Whomever killed 'em in the movie 300.
Hey, U.S. and Western European history are my strengths, not spear-and-shield days.
/Was it over when the Russians bombed the Temple of Zeus?
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Sometimes, the team that lost the first time wins the rematch.
That’s the theory behind the BCS National Championship Game, right?
Besides, there’s short-term winning and there’s long-term winning. Athens remains a city. Sparta no longer exists.
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by T Kyle King on Dec 7, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not true
I’ve been to Sparta, though not much remains of the old town. It’s largely been built over. Though that’s not surprising, I think Thucydides said something to the effect of “If people in the future go to Sparta, they will have trouble believing just how power they really were.”
I was a Classics major, can you tell?
I've been to Sparta too
I really can’t remember why I was in Hancock County though.
The 984 Has Spoken!
by The984 on Dec 7, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Most people suffer that problem.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 7, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I too have been to Sparta.
I was driving from Atlanta to Columbia a couple years ago. And there was a terrible accident on I-20, so I got to drive through Sparta to get around the jam.
- FOW
In related news...
The author of the Wikipedia article on the Peloponnisian War is comma-happy to the point of horrifying my high school English teacher.
Love the Bill Connolly take on the the Bowl Games.
I couldn’t agree more. I have pretty much had to click off sports radio this week because it is all either why the BCS is wrong or how their are too many bowls. The debate over the BCS has been going on forever, resolves nothing, all points have been debated and I am sick of hearing it. Since I whole heartedly endorse the opportunity for a 6-6 team to play in a bowl game if someone wants them, I have no interest in the latter discussion.
No one is going to force anyone to watch the GMAC bowl. Move on.
by hbtd on Dec 7, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Precisely, hbtd.
As my brother-in-law says, “Every time ESPN adds another bowl game, that’s one more night I don’t have to spend flipping past hockey!”
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Even more so now. Why does Canada have to keep stealing my teams?
And I never really got over the ’92 World Series either. Really not a fan of Canada. Except for that post a while back about the guys coming to Athens from Canada. This is an opportunity for someone to re-post that picture of that really hot girl.
thanks.
- FOW
"bruin'd"
Calls to my mind that bit from GWTW when a girl was recounting to another on the stairs at Twelve Oaks the story of Rhett’s having taken a girl on an unchaperoned carriage ride. Following a question whispered into her ear, the girl who’d told the story said, “No, but she was bruin’d just the same.”
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by NCT on Dec 7, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My dislike of special rules for "special teams" has soured me on the Bruin thing.
Although the whole PAC 12 championship, being played on a home field, with a division champion requiring a dispensation because their record is so sorry, calls to question their legitimacy as a conference. Which makes me laugh.
Rec'd for "The West Wing" reference.
Other reasons too, like the Dr Pepper chick, which I hadn’t heard about until now. But mostly for TWW, which is one of my top 3 favorite shows ever. Also perhaps the funniest show I’ve ever seen (in spite of its being a drama).
Y’know, when I saw you were going to compare the Matt Hayes article to TWW, my first thought was that you’d go with Josh sarcastically telling the press corps that the President has a secret plan to fight inflation (and, of course, they totally ran with it). But your example works too.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile, I'm making my way through Mad Men.
Zoey just got her own office.
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by NCT on Dec 7, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
As spoilers go, that ain’t nothing. Just be glad I didn’t tell you Don just visited in California when he was out there for an air and space convention avoiding [certain stuff going on at home] while [certain other stuff was happening at the office without his knowledge].
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by NCT on Dec 7, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, another outstanding show!
“Mad Men” is probably in my top 3 best shows I’ve ever seen. Which is different from my top 3 favorites, though it’s worth noting that “The West Wing” makes the top 3 in both lists (yes, I think about these things).
With the exception of January Jones, the acting on that show is uniformly phenomenal. JJ is…I dunno. Haven’t made up my mind about whether she’s lucky enough to be playing the only role she can play decently or actually a good actress. I’m leaning towards the former after seeing her in the latest X-Men movie.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Granted, I'm only at the end of Season 2, but I've been impressed with J Jones.
You may be right about her being completely suited to the part, regardless of acting skill, and I’ve never seen her do anything else, but I have enjoyed the way she lets very subtle facial expressions and pauses tell a story through her “fixed”, porcelain-doll exterior. And that’s not just the actress, of course: it’s the role, since Red’s job requires that skill.
But I think that’s part of what makes this show perfect for me. It’s the little details both in setting and in the writing and performances that do it for me. Like when Don came back from California and asked Joan if anything had happened while he was gone other than Zoey’s Peggy’s getting an office and a haircut — it was E Moss’s brief but unmistakable reaction in the background that made that scene complete.
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by NCT on Dec 7, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember that scene specifically,
but now I almost want to go back and re-watch it. Seeing her on “Mad Men” now, I realize that Elisabeth Moss was tragically underused on “The West Wing.” And if you enjoy subtle writing/acting that much, you should really check out “The Wire.” That show rounds out my top 3 best with MM and TWW.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 7, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
"Mad Men" is one we're considering taking up after finishing "Smallville."
As all-time great shows go, though, “Hill Street Blues,” “St. Elsewhere,” and “Twin Peaks” continue to be in my top five.
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No SportsNight?
Come on man! Two seasons of pure bliss.
Top 3
1)SportsNight
2)Arrested Development
3)Firefly
I seem to have a thing for shows that get cancelled.
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Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.
by RedCrake on Dec 7, 2011 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Smallville. Oh boy.
Funny you bring that up. I’ve been thinking about that show a lot the last week or so for some reason. What season are you in? It goes downhill in the later seasons (at least IMHO). Essentially, that show lasted longer than anyone expected and longer than it should have. They couldn’t make Clark Superman per the “no tights, no flights” rule they established for themselves at the outset, but there was really no other logical direction to take his development. So he mostly stagnated and learned the same “lessons” over and over again. Clark started to get on my nerves so badly that I was watching in spite of him at the end. (Also, my favorite character from the show was a woman named Tess who showed up in S8). The whole thing actually left a rather bad taste in my mouth for Superman.
This perspective isn’t terribly uncommon among the more…dedicated viewers (in other words, those of us geeky enough to analyze the hell out of the show). But casual viewers seemed to like him just fine. So I guess what I’m saying is, treat the show with the same pessimism you do our beloved Dawgs, and maybe you’ll be pleasantly surprised. At worst, you’ll get exactly what you expected.
As for my top shows… In the “best” category, I have “The Wire,” “Mad Men,” and “The West Wing,” with an honorable mention to “Battlestar Galactica.” For favorite shows, I have “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” “The West Wing,” and “Star Trek” (more the franchise than one particular show; I’m a big Trekkie).
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 7, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Never could get into Buffy the show
Now Buffy the movie? Kristy Swanson… nom nom nom.
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by RedCrake on Dec 7, 2011 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The real "Battlestar Galactica," . . .
. . . with Lorne Greene and John Colicos, or the remake in which Starbuck, inexplicably and inconceivably, is a woman? (Basically, if Dirk Benedict was in the original, I’m probably going to boycott the remake on general principle, as I did with the “A-Team” movie. Liam Neeson as John “Hannibal” Smith, saying “I love it when a plan comes together” in that accent? Really? Really?)
I’m with you on “Star Trek.”
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The remake
But seriously, don’t let a gender swap turn you off from that show. Nor the fact that it’s sci-fi (though if you’re into Star Trek, that probably wouldn’t be an issue). I’m not uncomfortable talking about the acting on BSG in the same breath as “Mad Men.” And the writing is stellar as well. There’s plenty of character drama like MM, but there’s also a lot of exploration of larger themes relating to the individual’s role in society, the responsibilities of government, what constitutes sentience, etc.
Watch the mini-series and the first episode after that. The mini-series is a little slow but necessary to understand what’s going on. The very next episode (titled “33”) is generally considered one of the show’s best. If you’re not at least a little intrigued after that, then you can probably skip the show. I’ve never seen the original BSG, but I can assure you (and many reputable critics would back me up on this) that BSG 2.0 is closer to “Batman Begins” than to “Superman Returns” on the remake spectrum. Had it not been a genre show, I’m quite certain it would have racked up on some Emmy’s (it did earn some nominations for writing and directing, but sci-fi just doesn’t get the respect it deserves).
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
You're not the first person to tell me that, MidnightFrost1701, . . .
. . . but making Starbuck a woman is a complete dealbreaker for me. It changes the whole dynamic of the show. It’s like a “M*A*S*H” remake in which Trapper John is a woman, or a “Star Trek” remake in which Spock is a woman. You can’t remake an established show and flip the gender of one of the characters without fundamentally altering the entire concept. I simply can’t buy the premise that way. The producers are asking me to take a larger leap than I’m willing to take. If that’s my loss, so be it, but, if Starbuck ain’t a guy, it ain’t “Battlestar Galactica.” Whatever it is may be better, but it ain’t the same.
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Yea, it wasn't the same. It was a lot better.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I have no doubt that you're right.
Indeed, I conceded that possibility in my earlier comment.
What it is not, however, is “Battlestar Galactica,” because, in “Battlestar Galactica,” Starbuck was a dude.
if they called the new one something different, I might watch it, but, since they falsely called it “Battlestar Galactica,” I want no part of it.
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BSG is the name of a space ship that is carrrying human survivors looking for a new world.
Same basic plot line, just vastly improved. Getting away from the 70s sexism with Dirk B was a big improvement. The new Starbuck would whoop the old Starbuck’s tail.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I didn't care for Starbuck at first
but after a while her character became more acceptable. I didn’t care for the whole last season of BSG 2.0. I still prefer the original though.
I’m just hoping that Blood & Chrome is better than Caprica.
The last season was tough - like so many shows,
they painted themselves in a wierd corner that was hard to get out of. I actually understood the metaphors to G*d and restarting the world, but it was a little wacky. The whole keyboard note thing…yea.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
Again, can't speak for BSG 1.0.
But Starbuck in BSG 2.0 was a pretty bold move for the writers because you just don’t see female characters like her on television very often. While arguing the show’s feminist merits wouldn’t be my first choice when trying to convince a man to watch, it’s hard not to when your objection is to Starbuck being female. The show is known for having one of the largest, most diverse, well-rounded, well-developed, and unique female characters on tv. And Starbuck is perhaps the most obviously unique of the bunch because they apparently changed so little about the original character’s personality. I don’t know if BSG 1.0 was sexist as TT claims (though how many 70’s sci-fi shows weren’t, at least to some extent?), but I can tell you that 2.0 is one of those rare shows that manages to treat women as true equals without being remotely preachy or heavy-handed about it. And I’m sure TT can speak on behalf of all men everywhere and back me up on that last part…
/joking
//kinda
As for Trek w/a female Spock, they already did that. They called it “Enterprise.” No, but seriously, folks. I understand your indignation over them using the name of a franchise you apparently loved and then making changes you think are sacrilegious. I’m currently aghast that some Hollywood idiots are trying to make a new “Buffy” movie without Joss Whedon. But if the movie gets good reviews, I’m not going to let my loyalty to a show that’s been off the air for years keep me from being exposed to a great new experience. I’ll have to adjust my mindset quite a bit because it probably won’t be my Buffy, but I can learn to appreciate it as something different.
Y’know, if you can’t bring yourself to financially support the new BSG, you could always watch it illegally online.
/joking
//kinda
///crapyou’realawyer
////borrowfromafriend
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
"in which Spock is a woman"
I take it you’re not a fan of Star Trek: Enterprise.
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While I get that the characters were similar, . . .
. . . they weren’t the same characters. Scott Bakula’s character may have been a lot like Captain Kirk, but he wasn’t Captain Kirk; Jolene Blalock’s character may have been a lot like Mr. Spock, but she wasn’t Mr. Spock.
That’s a very different thing from a reboot that says, “This isn’t a Starbuck-style character, this is Starbuck, and, this time, he’s a girl!”
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I disagreed with that analysis
Female starbuck was dark, had issues, was a bad ass. It wasnt a female version – it was a real version.
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My point, though, . . .
. . . is that the character purportedly was still Starbuck.
Let me put it this way: If the new “Battlestar Galactica” had (like “Enterprise”) come up with new characters with strong similarities to the old characters, but called them by different names, I’d have bought into that, because, despite the similarities, it wouldn’t have purported to have been the same thing, like when they changed the names from “Rio Bravo” when they remade it as “El Dorado.”
When they gave them the same names, though, that ruined it for me. If you want to create a deeper, darker, better female version of a Starbuck-like character, fine, but don’t call her “Starbuck.” She’s not. Someone other than Dirk Benedict can be Starbuck (just as someone other than Dirk Benedict could be the Faceman in the “A-Team” movie), but gender is simply too intimately tied up in a character’s identity to flip-flop it and ask me to buy it.
Call it something other than “Battlestar Galactica,” and I’ll watch it. Call the new female character something other than Starbuck, and I’ll watch it. But don’t tell me this is Starbuck, ‘cause I ain’t buying that.
That’s the whole point of my 9:28 comment: There’s a difference between recreating Character A in the similar yet distinct Character B and fundamentally changing Character A yet still telling me it’s Character A. It’s not. It’s Character B. Call her Character B, and I’m on board, but, if you’re trying to sell me that Character B is really Character A, nope, you lose me.
You say you disagree with my analysis in my 9:28 comment, but there’s no analysis to it: I’m simply stating facts. T’Pal isn’t Spock, because she’s T’Pal. They’re two different characters, Spock and T’Pal; that’s why they have two different names. Accordingly, The984’s analogy (T’Pal : Spock :: Starbuck : Starbuck) is inapt.
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Well Kyle, you win the internets.
In the meantime, it is my favorite series every in the history of time, and likely nothing will come close on made for tv than that for many a decade.
I can’t convince you a ribeye tastes better than a flank steak when your idea is they are both steaks and one is just stealing from the other.
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by tankertoad on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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For good taste in tv shows and steaks. (And also for truth.)
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not trying to win the internet.
I simply want to be clear upon the point I’m making. You’re still free to disagree with it, but I at least want you to know what it is that I am, and am not, saying. Your 10:48 comment suggested that you misapprehended my point, which I felt compelled to clarify. That having been done, I will withdraw from the conversation.
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If it helps any...
her name is actually Kara Thrace. Starbuck is just her call sign.
I understand why that frustrates you.
But at the end of the day, what difference does it make? A rose by any other name…
And technically, “Starbuck” in BSG 2.0 is named Kara Thrace. “Starbuck” is just her call sign. It’s my understanding that in the original, Starbuck was really his name. So if you’re that hung up over a word, then just keep reminding yourself that it’s not the same character; it’s a different person with a call sign that’s an homage to the character on BSG 1.0.
There. Problem solved. : ) Now go rent the mini-series and watch the first episode after it. If you still think it’s a disgrace to the “Battlestar Galactica” name, send me your address and I swear to god I’ll mail you a check for the cost of your DVD rental. Same deal for “Casino Royale,” for that matter.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
How about if they did Star Trek movie where the characters all had the same names...
… but they shot off instead into an alternate reality where Spock’s homeworld and virtually all of his race were destroyed and he had a love affair with a member of the Enterprise crew?
Just making a point, really. But I thought the new Star Trek movie was fantastically done. JJ Abrams did a magnificent job of injecting new life into a theatrically dead franchise.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The SyFy channel BSG was the best made for tv show ever.
It was awesome. Starbuck as a women worked out great. They tackled complicated issues and the show was always moving.
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The only issue I had
is that the story seems thrown together towards the end of the series. You can really tell that they didn’t start out with a plan on where they were going to take the show’s story line.
I think they were going for a great year
and it got the widest audience ever on cable, which forced them to start working. And it ended a little haphazardly.
Babylon 5 was the best in this regard because they had a 5 year plan from the start.
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I give Mad Men a moderate-volume "meh."
I had hopes, man, high hopes. I found it dull. It doesn’t work without buying into the world of its setting, and I found that world to be a self-congratulating view of the present in negative.
I will make an exception for the psychological questions raised by January Jones.
by first and thom on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
As long as it's the real "A-Team."
See above.
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Been through this before, the movie was good, and considering the original cast is either old or passed, you can use them.
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I never suggested using the original cast, . . .
. . . and I liked the casting of the other parts. I wouldn’t even have minded using Liam Neeson, had he learned an American accent (like Rachel Griffiths did for “Six Feet Under”) or had his lines dubbed over by someone with an American accent, but John “Hannibal” Smith is one of the most fundamentally, uproariously, unabashedly American characters in the history of television. Give him an Irish burr, and he loses all credibility, and, if Hannibal Smith lacks credibility, “The A-Team” just becomes stupid.
My previous offer still stands: If you agree to memorize all of Hannibal’s lines and bring the DVD over to my house the next time you’re in the Atlanta area, I’ll watch the movie with you, on the condition that you mute the TV each time Liam Neeson speaks and say his lines for him. I’m sure I’d enjoy the film immensely then.
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You shouldnt ever hate on a Jedi Knight.
I don’t think there is as movie with Liam Neeson I don’t like.
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This from the man who touts the bastardized Dukes of Hazzard
if I’m not mistaken.
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Yep. And A Team the movie is WAY better.
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If you think the "A-Team" movie is better than the "Dukes of Hazzard" movie, . . .
. . . you aren’t giving “The Dukes of Hazzard” anywhere near enough credit. Seriously, it’s a very deep, dark piece of cinema. It’s way underrated.
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You just like Jessica Simpson walking around half naked.
The A Team was fun. Dukes of Hazzard was a joke.
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Your subject line is correct.
I am sure the first sentence of your comment is correct. Seriously, though, “The Dukes of Hazzard” was a very, very good movie. Its depth, and its place in the Southern cinematic canon, are vastly underappreciated.
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And I think...
I saw IC in the outhose with Willie Nelson Uncle Jesse.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!
If The Dukes of Hazzard is a deep, dark piece of cinema, then Monty Python and the Holy Grail is a friggin’ documentary!
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
It *is* a documentary.
Especially that part about Camelot only being a model.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
The "Dukes of Hazzard" movie was much more true to its Southern Gothic roots . . .
. . . than the blow-dried TV show was after shooting moved from Covington to Burbank. People simply don’t appreciate the depth, nuance, and historical authenticity of the film, which served to redeem a TV show that just got sad with the additions of Coy and Vance.
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Yea, right. That movie was a true epic southern gothic masterpiece.
There is not one logical thing that says BSG 2 is bad because of Starbuck being a woman, and Dukes of Hazzard is “true to school.” BSG was a breakthrough in tv film making.
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It may well have been a breakthrough.
It just wasn’t “Battlestar Galatica.”
I’m fine with making changes—-I had no problem with Spock and Uhura being a couple in the “Star Trek” movie—-but I’m not fine with fundamentally changing the nature of things.
“The Dukes of Hazzard” was a restoration. Watch the first season of the original TV series, then watch subsequent seasons, and you’ll see what I mean. It originally was gritty, more in the tradition of “White Lightning” and “Gator,” and the movie restored that.
In short, when a TV show starts out as one thing, and it becomes another thing, I like remakes that return to the original thing, but, when a TV show starts out as one thing, and the remake becomes another thing, I have no interest in the remake, even if the remake is an even better thing.
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Well then, I fill badly for you. Because I loved the orginal BSG, watched it religiously as a young kid.
But it can’t touch BSG 2. The original BSG was cheezy and sexiest and goofy. The remake was dark, serious, hitting, scary, emotional, and serious. The first one had no long vision, and was just being made up as ratings went. The second one had a plan and vision from the start. Characters grew, evolved, changed; in the orginal it’s was just the same/same.
BSG 2 was ground breaking – they had hollywood movie style sets, costuming, CGI for a made for SyFy tv show. Had it not been “sci-fi” it would have been the most critically accomplained series ever. They tackled every political issue we have faced in the last decade and did in the midst of constant threat of danger.
The only serious character change was Starbuck, and it was MUCH better that way.
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Received and understood.
Had they called it something different, I might’ve watched it. Maybe it’s my loss, like my refusal to watch a blond James Bond determined to reduce 007 to a B-list Jason Bourne. I freely concede it may be better, but it’s simply too big a hurdle for me clear. I’d never be able to get past that jarring change. Sorry.
Regarding “The Dukes of Hazzard,” I’m going to leave this right here.
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Oops.
“For me to clear.” FIFM.
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It's funn you mention the new Bond -
because the new Bond is also much better.
I don’t need to click that link, I already read your piece. )
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oh dear
that’s like refusing to play a Sonic game because modern Sonic has green eyes.
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Until the Daniel Craig Bond movies
Starting especially with the Sean Connery ones people love, Bond movies were sexist, bland, slow with stupid one liners. They are all massive cheese fests. The action sequences do improve over some time.
The Daniel Craig movies are dark, hard, serious and much more real. And the action scenes are WAY better. The romance pieces are more heartfelt that crotch felt. It’s more believable.
But, oh, he’s blond, so it’s not the same.
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And like you, ...
that Dukes of Hazzard may be great, but I’ll never get past Stifler and Johnny Knoxville as the Dukes. Just not gonna do it.
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I refused to watch the new Dukes
because they did something horrible to what is for me personally an incredibly important memory – sitting in my dear grandpa’s lap and watching the good guys (dukes) outwit the bad guys (local or not.) It doesn’t matter what is good or bad about the new movie – I cannot and will not watch it just in case it would ruin my memories.
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by podunkdawg on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to work with a woman who felt the same way.
She was a die-hard Bond fan and for months before the movie’s release said there was no way Daniel Craig could be anything other than a travesty. She finally saw the movie out of morbid curiosity and was shocked to find that she liked Craig way better than Brosnan. As she put it, the new Bond “is a little bit evil.” I think that’s going too far, but he’s definitely darker. Critics say that he’s actually closer to Connery’s Bond than the others have been.
Besides, how can you possibly know you couldn’t get past the “jarring change” if you haven’t tried? If you watch “Casino Royale” and decide you can’t stand Craig, then I’m fine with you skipping “Quantum of Solace” and all future Bond movies with Craig (QOS is a far inferior movie to CR anyway). But if you won’t even give the first movie a shot, then, no offense, but you’re not much different from a child who won’t try a new food because he just “knows” he won’t like it based on how it smells. Don’t judge a book by its cover, man. If you wanna claim that Craig can’t be a real James Bond, then at least be educated when you do it.
Personally, I never got into the old Bond movies much. But “Casino Royale” was fantastic, and the new Bond is most certainly not Jason Bourne. Bond’s little toe is more suave than Jason Bourne could ever hope to be.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and also...
My friends and I just knew that Heath Ledger was going to be a terrible Joker and would completely ruin the great character Jack Nicholson had immortalized…
Boy, did we feel dumb.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I never felt Heath was going to be terrible,
but I had no idea he would be that actual crazy – he was downright scary. Supposedly Jack told Heath to “be careful.”
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The great thing about The Joker (and Batman)
Is that there is no one immortal take. Ledger, Nicholson, Mark Hamill, and even Cesar Romero perfectly captured the Joker. The character has been around since 1940 and has existed and thrived in the Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, and Modern/Dark Age. Unlike Superman and his Truth, Justice, and the American Way character, Batman has had to go through many, MANY changes. The classic dark and grim Bats didn’t come about really until Frank Miller wrote The Dark Knight Returns and was later cemented with The Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum (not the game). Considering Batman had to evolve, his villains did too.
In many ways, I actually think Nicholson’s Joker was the weakest and TOO sane.
The 984 Has Spoken!
Casino Royale was legit. It truly felt like a "somewhat rogue" secret agent,
but with true intentions to support his mission.
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I have a friend in the Army
who said that one of the things he really liked about Casino Royale was how it had both guys all beat up after a fight. Too often movies show the “winner” with nary a scratch afterwards. The reality is that even if you’re a much better fighter than the other guy, you’re going to get banged up. That’s a little detail I would have never noticed on my own, but I appreciate the movie all the more for it.
Also, I think it was a great call to move away from all the increasingly ridiculous sci-fi gadgets the Brosnan movies were relying on.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
let me posit
that you can’t “unwatch” the stuff – so I feel perfectly justified in not watching remake x because i don’t want my thoughts/feelings/memories of the x i know to be tarnished.
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by podunkdawg on Dec 8, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a fair point.
As I mentioned upthread, the later seasons of “Smallville” soured me on Superman. However, that was largely my own fault for continuing to watch even as I was starting to dislike Clark. Had it just been a movie, I don’t think it would have had much effect at all. For instance, I thought “Spiderman 3” was absolutely dreadful, but it’s had no impact on my enjoyment of the 1st 2 movies.
And in the case of the new Bond in particular, I just think it’s sad that someone would abandon a beloved franchise until it’s finished with Craig (and since most people who have actually seen the movie like him, that could be a while). I understand being hesitant (as I will be with this new “Buffy” movie if it gets made). But when fans and critics alike indicate that the risk of your memories being “ruined” is very low, I can’t fathom not at least giving it a shot. The potential rewards of liking Craig could be quite high if they continue to make Bond movies with him.
Besides, he’s only blonde because he had to bleach it for a specific mission. And it stays that way throughout the movie because he’s too busy with more important things than dying his hair back to brunette. (Am I lying? Maybe. But you won’t know till you watch it.)
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Your points are communicated loud, clear, and very well, but...
if this board had a Linguo monitoring it, your post would cause this scene.
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A comment about football?
You’re completely off-topic.
by Cherokee's Grip on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to have played anyone in the PAC 12. Excepetion Cali maybe. I just never cared about them.
Having just been up to Seattle, sports radio had me rolling. They were amping up Wash St and I was dying. I would love for the SEC to start smaking aroung the Pac 12.
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plus it would add to the history between both dawgs
that was started last year
A new Mike Brown era is about to begin.
Thanks for stopping by and posting here, WaveOcean.
I’d like to play the Huskies again, as well.
Just to let you know, though… if you keep calling the Huskies “the Dawgs,” Kyle is going to start arguing with you. :-)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 9, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but I am a firm believer that
television was put on life support when M*A*S*H* was taken off the air and they pulled the plug when Cheers was removed….
I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

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