Friday Morning Dawg Bites: Nearing Our Fill of 2011
by NCT on Dec 30, 2011 10:43 AM EST
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Well, friends, 2011 is fading fast, but we're getting to the best bowl games. Be sure to check out our thoughts on the remaining games in the "Don't Bet On It" series here and here. In the meantime, as we wait to see if Paul Johnson continues his fine post-season tradition when the Yellow Jackets meet the Utes tomorrow afternoon, let's make sure not to waste any of this year's news. Have a taste of some of these morsels and offer your own in the comments.
- In case you haven't gotten enough of Jarvis Jones's insisting he'll be back next year (I know I haven't), Chris White of the ABH has you covered.
- The Tampa Tribune, in a story that's local for the folks in Hillsborough County on both the player feature and bowl game fronts, talks with Aaron Murray about an ambitious checklist of goals.
- It's always good when one of our own shines at the next level. A.J. Green has been voted to the Pro Bowl. This ABH piece points out that Green's rookie stats put him in some noteworthy company. Other Dawgs getting the all-star nod are Richard Seymour and (at this point can we go ahead and start saying "future Hall-of-Famer"?) Champ Bailey.
- Don't forget: men's roundball this afternoon against Delaware State. It won't be televised, but check back here at Dawg Sports for discussion.
- A blue chip Bama commit from beautiful and scenic Troup County, Georgia, still has Athens on his mind. I'm not expecting him to change his mind, but if he were to decommit from Alabama and sign with UGA, we and the recruit would get a taste of the kind of PAAAAWWWLLLLian vitriol that typically is reserved for the Bammer-Barner front. And I'd laugh and laugh.
- Under an excellent headline, our colleague at blog (and bar), The Senator, again shows off one of his skills I most admire: poking holes in and fun at illogical pro-playoff arguments. I tell you: it'd be a difficult task to find myself in multi-party litigation with Blutarsky, our own T. Kyle King, and the other legal professionals here in the Dawg Sports community, but when it came time to submit briefs, that would be one enormously lucky judge.
Finally, I offer a sincere nod of appreciation to the staff and regular visitors and commenters here at Dawg Sports. It's been a crazy year, both for us UGA lovers and for me, personally. I'm grateful for the opportunity to commune with like-minded folks from far and near.
Good night and farewell, 2011.
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These smaller b-ball games are important for our program, particularly this year.
I think we will struggle a lot in SEC play, but if we take care of this last non-conf. game we will have a decent shot at the NIT as long as we win at least 6 SEC games.
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by Dawg in Beaumont on Dec 30, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions
Winning 6 games, let alone "at least 6" implying more than that...
seems highly unlikely to me. I’m thinking we’re somewhere around 1-3, with 4 being the max.
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Dang you real basketball fans and your "real knowledge of the game."
You’re spoiling our wild, unfounded optimism!
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 30, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh...
I’m in my broken phase right now. Basketball is reverting back to old ways after the recent uptick, and my boys keep drawing bottom of the table teams across the water. If we can pull out a victory vs Newcastle today, my spirits might rise a bit. And speaking of victory, I wish someone would make this in to a gif…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQdTUdeABI
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Blutarsky's arguments aren't that good.
It’s easy to poke holes in a few arguments when there are thousands of pro-playoff arguments out there (and some of them are guaranteed to be awful).
The plainest way to say it is this – FBS NCAA football is the only level of football in america that does not have a playoff. Unless I’m mistaken, it’s the only NCAA sport that does not have some sort of playoff. Playoffs make sense. They work at literally every other level of footbal and every other NCAA sport.
A playoff is preferable to a 2-team championship, because it allows the best teams to settle their case on the field. Period. The nation has 5 1-loss teams and only one undefeated? Cool, let’s have a playoff. The nation has 3 undefeateds? Cool, let’s have a playoff. Earn it on the field.
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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Dec 30, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions
The way I read it,
It’s not so much a presentation of why a playoff would be bad as it is a presentation of why this or that particular argument in favor of a playoff is bad. Regardless of the ultimate conclusion one might draw, I simply find Blutarsky’s work entertaining.
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and for the record
I had no problem with the pre Bowl Alliance days when there was less of a pretense that the team(s) named National Champion(s) had a legitimate argument in any sense that could be described as traditional except in the world of college football. The fact that we now have a two-team tournament with a field selected in a (very reasonably arguably) screwy fashion changes nothing, in my mind, from the previous system except that it guarantees at least one excellent bowl match-up every year.
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Right on, NCT.
One simple truth gets lost in all of the anti-BCS screeds: the BCS is a playoff. It’s just an extremely limited 2-team playoff. Whether or not it’s a good thing, a Plus 1 is probably inevitable. And then people will start clamoring for an 8 team playoff. Etc…
The worst thing about the BCS is that it’s the first step in the march toward a full-blown 8-16-32 team playoff.
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by Spears on Dec 30, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely agree,...
a plus one won’t last long, and will just be the first step towards expanding into a larger playoff.
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Beauty Pageant
Would be how I would describe it, and not a 2 team playoff. Just my 2 cents… I think you have to go to a 16 team playoff with all 11 conference champions, and 5 “at large bids” as determined by a committee… much like the NCAA uses for basketball.
To think that we know who the best 2 teams are out of 120, after they play 12 games against varying degrees of competition… seems ignorant at worst, and naive at best.
I also really just want to see more great football games too. In the era of the BCS we are getting less marquee match-ups during the season for fear of losing to a quality team.
Sorry for the length, and GO DAWGS!
No need to apologize for length around here, TexasDawg.
Verbosity can be virtuous. At some point, we’ll have to have a full-blown playoff debate, but I don’t have it in me today. FWIW, you’ll eventually get a 16 team playoff. It’s inevitable, like death and taxes.
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And that's where I'm going on the subject
for a while, I was very pro-playoff just because it is on every single other level of football. As I’ve grown older, I see the different ways with neither being truly better than the other. Each set up has it’s own unique strengths and weaknesses.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 30, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How dare you take a reasonable position, sir!
<The BCS is/A playoff would be> the worst thing to happen to America since Pearl Harbor! Why do you hate America?!
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The fundamental argument that a playoff gets you the best team is wrong, however.
The only thing a playoff does for sure is ensure you have an undisputed champion. It doesnt mean the best team wins. Go undefeated regular season – lose a playoff round, your done. Kinda like the ridiculous fact LSU is being punished for a winning out. Bowls and polls, LSU would be in the Sugar, and would be the clear cut favorite for champion if they won.
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by tankertoad on Dec 30, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct.
If you think the definition of “the best team” ought to include the entire season, rather than some tiny discrete part of it, you oppose a playoff.
I’ve always thought an equally logical alternative to a playoff would be to play the regular season, then, at the end, have the NCAA president draw two random dates from a hat. The team with the best record between those two dates is the national champion. It isn’t any more arbitrary than a playoff.
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If you think the definition of "best team"...
includes the entire regular season against varying degrees of schedule difficulty with no true way of determining “best” besides little more than the eye test, you oppose a playoff.
fixed that for ya. The bowl system isn’t much more arbitrary, if at all, than a playoff. It’s a good system, and a unique system with positives and negatives, but “better” is personal opinion.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 31, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
It is that.
It’s just that one is a personal opinion based on an entire season, and the other is a personal opinion based on an arbitrarily-selected stretch of games.
Also, one system consistently produces national champions that, at least plausibly, might be called the best team in the country, even if other teams have equally plausible claims. The other frequently produces national champions that failed to win their divisions, conferences, or leagues, rendering any claim to “bestness” internally contradictory and cognitively dissonant.
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by T Kyle King on Dec 31, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Also, precision in nomenclature.
In collegiate basketball, tennis, baseball, and other sports, we have multiple champions. Technically speaking, the SEC team that wins the conference basketball tournament is the SEC basketball tournament champion. While that team may call itself conference champ and do so with accuracy, it is imprecise, because there may be another team that also may call itself conference champ. The winner of the NCAA men’s basketball tournament may fairly call itself “national champion”, but only to the extent that such term is derivative of (and, I would submit, an abbreviation for) “NCAA Tournament Champion”. It’s a “national” championship only because the field was nationwide in scope. The magical significance of “legitimate” versus “mythical” is 100% subjective. Many simply “feel” more comfortable with a tournament format with broader participation.
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by NCT on Dec 31, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If the "entire season" was set up in a way that could more accurately determine "best"...
I’d be more inclined to agree with your theory of “bestness”. As is, the inherent variation in scheduling across the nation makes me feel that determining “best” from the current system is little more than an eye contest beauty pageant.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Inasmuch as that's exactly how we elect government leaders, . . .
. . . I’m totally fine with such a system as being fundamentally American in character.
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And we see what kind of quality that system gives us...
also…
/bannedfordiscussingpolitics
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Re: playoffs
The Senator’s right on the money with his criticism, viz. how angry will these guys be when the SEC sends 3 teams to the plus 1? But, even more fundamentally, opposition to The Rematch is really an argument against a playoff because a playoff increases the likelihood of rematches. In a Plus 1, 2010 would likely have featured a semi-final rematch of Oregon-Stanford; 2009 would likely have resulted in a Bama-Florida rematch for the NCG; 2008 also could have resulted in a Bama-Florida rematch for everything; 2006 could have seen a Michigan-tOSU semi-final (or final); etc., etc., etc.
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by Spears on Dec 30, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just posted the read this. I appose the rematch, and I am against a playoff.
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by HSridge on Dec 30, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for the kind words
this is a great blog with great contributors. I already had loads of respect for Boise’s program, and the domination yall put on us in September only added to it. Have a great new year!
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Leave them steel mills far behind.
Ain't no good life down at the Ford plant
Three guitars or a life of crime.
by Dawg in Beaumont on Dec 30, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the compliments and participation.
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That's a beautiful dog there NCT
it won’t be soon, but hopefully time will help ease the pain. And if all else fails, a puppy can help too.
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Thank you. He was a Damn Good Dawg.
I couldn’t stand it any more, so I adopted a one year old last night from the Atlanta Humane Society. I continue to have my moments (in short, still crying; no longer wailing), and I really wanted not to rush into anything, but the empty space and the quiet were seriously impeding my ability to function.
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by NCT on Dec 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Good luck with the new pup...
and remember, if you need to vent, you’ve got a lot of friends around here that understand exactly where your coming from. I still shed a tear every now and then for a dog I lost over 20 years ago.
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I look at it this way
You didn’t rush into anything by easing an aching heart with another pet so soon. I’m thinking your new pooch is pretty happy you ‘rushed’ into this…;-)
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by DavetheDawg on Dec 30, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still believe
that Jerry Jones is going to make Nick Saban an offer more money? he has no time for this shit he might not be able to ignore refuse. The only drawback to the gazillions? You still can’t oversign in the pros.
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