Conference realignment endgame, part 2: The Lineup
In my first post in this series, I examined the need for a geographically-based promotion/relegation system in college football. Such a system would make no sense, however, with our all-over-the-map conferences arranged as they currently are.
To wit, I have rearranged the top-tier BCS conferences to align them with a specific geography. Basically, instead of having multiple conferences overlapping every state, each state is assigned to only one "stack" of conferences in the promotion/relegation system. I attempted to preserve historical rivalries in the initial organization of this system, but was forced to break a few. For example, LSU is no longer in the SEC, and Georgia Tech and Clemson are cut off from basically the rest of the current ACC.
Because there are far more teams in the eastern and central part of the U.S. than the west, the Pac-12 stack has fewer teams than all the others, but if there's one thing the current system has shown us, it's that it is virtually impossible to draw a completely clean line between conferences. The ACC has also taken over much of the Big East's old footprint, and because there aren't a lot of Division I football teams in the northeast, it covers a large number of states. (In fact, I had to promote two I-AA teams to the second tier just to complete a 12-team second-tier conference.)
Here is the new conference/stack map for the promotion/relegation system:
The stack breakdown by state is as follows. (The total number of schools in the stack is in parentheses.) Every Division I school in each state is in the associated stack, with one exception noted later:
SEC stack (45): GA, FL, AL, MS, SC, TN, KY
ACC stack (49): NC, VA, WV, VA, DC, MD, DE, NJ, CT, RI, MA, PA, NY, NH, VT, ME
Big Ten stack (39): OH, IN, MI, IL, WI, MN, IA, ND, SD
Big XII stack (42): LA, TX, AR, OK, KS, NE, NM, CO, WY
Pac-12 stack (33): CA, AZ, UT, NV, OR, WA, ID, MT, HI
Now, when flaming my conference alignment in the comments below, please remember that I haven't changed the 8-game conference schedule or the 12-game overall schedule, so out-of-conference matchups are always available to teams who are no longer grouped in the same stack or conference.
Also, remember that conference alignment will literally change every year, with the best two performers advancing a level and the worst two performers dropping a level.
NOTE: If you don't care about how each stack breaks down, just jump down to the comments at this point!
Remember the promotion/relegation rules:
- Each of the top two tiers is a twelve-team league with two divisions. The third tier is broken down into two conferences, which are not limited in size.
- At the end of the season, the team in each division with the worst conference record is relegated to the league on the next lower tier.
- At the end of the season, the second-tier team who wins their division is promoted to the BCS league in their stack.
- At the end of the season, the winners of each of the two third-tier conferences is promoted to the second-tier league in their stack. (For the Pac-12 stack, which only has one third-tier conference, the top two finishers from that league are promoted.)
Each stack breaks down initially as follows:
SEC |
(Top) |
| East | West |
| Clemson | Alabama |
| Florida | Auburn |
| Florida State | Mississippi State |
| Georgia | Ole Miss |
| Ga. Tech | Tennessee |
| South Carolina | Vanderbilt |
Conference USA |
(Second-Tier) |
| East | West |
| Florida Atlantic | Kentucky |
| Florida International | Louisville |
| Troy | Memphis |
| UAB | Middle Tenn. State |
| Central Florida | Southern Miss |
| South Florida | Western Kentucky |
Third-Tier Conferences
|
|
| Southern Conference (TN, AL, KY) | Big South Conference (GA, FL, SC) |
| Austin Peay | Charleston Southern |
| Chattanooga | The Citadel |
| Eastern Kentucky | Coastal Carolina |
| Jacksonville State (AL) | Furman |
| Morehead State | Georgia Southern |
| Murray State | Georgia State |
| North Alabama | Jacksonville U. (FL) |
| Samford | Presbyterian |
| South Alabama | Wofford |
| Tennessee-Martin | |
| Tennessee State | |
| Tennessee Tech |
Arkansas and LSU are gone, which was a necessity of the geographically-based classification system. Techies might not be too happy to be in the same conference once again with Georgia, but they'll get over it. I also chose to keep Vandy in the top tier over Kentucky or Louisville, though reasonable minds may disagree about that choice.
ACC |
(Top) |
| North | South |
| Boston College |
Miami (FL) |
| Penn State |
NC State |
| Pitt | North Carolina |
| Syracuse | Virginia Tech |
| UConn | Virginia |
| West Virginia |
Wake Forest |
Big East
|
(Second-Tier) |
| North | South |
| Army | Appalachian State |
| Buffalo | Duke |
| Delaware | East Carolina |
| Rutgers | Marshall |
| Temple | Maryland |
| Villanova | Navy |
Third-Tier Conferences |
|
| Colonial Athletic Association (NC, KY, VA, DC) |
Patriot League (DE, ME, NH, RI, PA, MA, MD, NY, WV) |
| Campbell | Bucknell |
| Davidson | Colgate |
| Elon | Fordham |
| Gardner-Webb | Holy Cross (MA) |
| Georgetown | Lafayette |
| James Madison | Lehigh |
| Liberty | Maine |
| Old Dominion | Marist |
| Richmond | New Hampshire |
| VMI | Rhode Island |
| Western Carolina | Stony Brook |
| William & Mary | Towson |
| UMass |
Not too much crazy here, tough I did have to promote Appalachian State and Delaware to fill out the Big East.
Big Ten
|
(Top) |
| East | West |
| Indiana |
Illinois |
| Michigan |
Iowa |
| Notre Dame |
Minnesota |
| Ohio State |
Northwestern |
| Purdue | Wisconsin |
| Michigan State |
Iowa State |
Mid-American Conference
|
(Second-Tier) |
| East | West |
| Cincinnati | Northern Illinois |
| Akron | Central Michigan |
| Kent | Eastern Michigan |
| Bowling Green |
Western Michigan |
| Miami (OH) |
Toledo |
| Ohio U. |
Ball State |
Third-Tier Conferences |
|
| Pioneer Conference (IA, ND, SD, IL) |
Ohio Valley Conference (IN, OH) |
| Drake | Butler |
| North Dakota |
Dayton |
| North Dakota State |
Valparaiso |
| South Dakota |
Indiana State |
| South Dakota State |
Youngstown State |
| Northern Iowa |
|
| Eastern Illinois |
|
| Illinois State |
|
| Southern Illinois |
|
| Western Illinois |
Penn State is gone, but we finally forced Notre Dame into its natural place. Even in the promotion/relegation system, though, the B1G is still the B1G. What do you want me to do about it?
Big XII
|
(Top) |
| North | South |
| Colorado |
Arkansas |
| Kansas |
LSU |
| Kansas State |
Oklahoma |
| Missouri |
Texas Tech |
| Nebraska | Texas |
| Oklahoma State |
Texas A&M |
Mountain West
|
(Second-Tier) |
| East | West |
| Louisiana Tech |
Baylor |
| Louisiana-Lafayette | Air Force |
| Houston | Wyoming |
| TCU |
Tulsa |
| Rice |
New Mexico |
| SMU |
UTEP |
Third-Tier Conferences |
|
| Southland Conference (LA, AR) |
Missouri Valley Conference (TX, NM, CO, MO) |
| Louisiana-Monroe | North Texas |
| Tulane |
New Mexico State |
| McNeese State |
UT San Antonio |
| Nicholls State |
Lamar |
| Northwestern State (LA) |
Sam Houston State |
| Southeastern Louisiana |
Stephen F. Austin |
| Arkansas State |
Texas State |
| Central Arkansas |
Northern Colorado |
| Missouri State |
|
| SE Missouri State |
Unfortunately, I had to separate OU and Oklahoma State into different divisions, but it was the best choice available given the team selections. OU and OSU can still be permanent inter-divisional opponents, though. The Mountain West might need to be renamed, but that's no great loss.
Pac-12
|
(Top) |
| North | South |
| Boise State |
Arizona |
| Cal |
Arizona State |
| Oregon |
BYU |
| Oregon State |
UCLA |
| Stanford | USC |
| Washington |
Utah |
WAC
|
(Second-Tier) |
| North | South |
| Fresno State |
Hawaii |
| Idaho | Nevada |
| Washington State |
UNLV |
| Montana |
Utah State |
| Eastern Washington |
San Diego State |
| San Jose State |
Northern Arizona |
Third-Tier Conference |
| Great West Conference (CA, UT, OR, ID, MT) |
| San Diego U. |
| Cal Poly |
| Southern Utah |
| UC-Davis |
| Portland State |
| Sacramento State |
| Weber State |
| Idaho State |
| Montana State |
Based on their recent performance, I bumped Boise State up to the BCS conference at the expense of Washington State. Colorado is also gone from the Pac-12, sent back to their Big XII roots. Their spot is filled by BYU.
To fill out the WAC, I had to jump Montana, Eastern Washington (with the blood-red field), and Northern Arizona up to the second tier, but all three programs are I-AA power programs, so I'm not too concerned about them being way out of their league.
Well, that's the lineup, folks! If you actually followed me this far, then God bless you, 'cause you're a heck of a reader. I welcome your feedback below! I think this is an equitable system, and it completely eliminates the threat of further realignment. If a team from the lower tiers wants to play their way up into big-boy football, they have a path with which to do just that!
Did I get it way wrong? Should we avoid being in the same conference as Ga. Tech again at all costs? Let me know below! And...
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Yeah, the Big XII is a formidable lineup.
The Big XII stack is also the only stack in which there were more than 24 Division I-A teams, which required me to demote a few squads to the third tier, which is essentially the same as today’s Division I-AA.
I had to demote Tulane, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, North Texas, and Arkansas State to maintain the correct numbers. (And I guess UT San Antonio counts as a demotion, too, since they are in a transition period to Division I-A.)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure it makes sense. I love the idea and I love how Europe does relegation, but it would be nearly impossible to get all the schools to agree with it. Even if they did do you think LSU would want to leave the SEC?
Also, why is Miami in the ACC and FSU in the SEC?
Ah, crap, I forgot to mention that.
The University of Miami is the one exception in the entire geographic system. The bottom line was that it just fit much, much better to keep Da U out of the SEC. You could demote Vanderbilt and put Miami in the SEC West, and you’d still get a workable SEC with divisions that are only marginally out of whack.
Since there’s not a “Cuba division,” however, and the rest of Miami is full of transplanted Yankees, I figured it would be a good idea to lump the Hurricanes in with their Yankee brethren. So Miami isn’t really out in center field in a demographic sense, you see.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry
Once Miami gets the death penalty for all the crap its boosters pulled, your Da U exception won’t matter much in this thought experiment.
The 984 Has Spoken!
Yeah that's true. I was going to say you could throw Clemson back to the ACC and put Miami in the SEC.
But… Kyle hates that idea. so nevermind!
- FOW
Unfortunately true
It seems to be very reasonable and would promote overachieving teams and demote underachieving teams. Hence why I don’t see any conference commissioners approving it, much less the PAC-10 and B1G ones.
by andycapps on Dec 20, 2011 5:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree, its chances of adoption are pretty remote...
… but don’t you think the promotion/relegation system would, at its root, just make college football better?
/propaganda
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
The recruiting smack talk would be epic
I can just imagine Nick Saban telling a recruit that Auburn won’t even be playing top tier football next year.
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by RedCrake on Dec 20, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What stops it, is the one in a million chance of a cinderalla, and the mid tier schools know their only chance at a NC
is to get like BSU, but go undefeated and beat some big OOC teams, or a playoff.
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I think it would make it better
But we’re a long way from anything like this happening. Not to be rude to the powers that be, but some of the old blood is going to have to go away and some new blood would have to be in place. I don’t see any of the conferences or bowl committees being okay with this because they’re making bank on the system in place. Yeah, they could possibly make the same amount or more if they changed it, but that would involve a lot of work and them losing the leverage that they have. I’ve always said the current BCS system is about power and money. It’s not a perfect system, and there are definitely ways we can improve it, but it’ll be hard with the system and it’s overhauling being affected by the same people holding the purse strings.
I'm still here...
read it twice and it’s pretty cool. Jeez, vine…this took a lot of work. Oh, and Tech belongs in the SEC East, at least for that one year they’ll be competing ;-)
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Yeah, I was gonna comment on that
With the murderers row that will be the SEC (not that it isn’t already), Tech will be Tier Two in no time.
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by RedCrake on Dec 20, 2011 7:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How sweet would it be
If the last regular game of the season was Tech and UGA was always the one to send them down a tier…That would be GREAT
I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs
Not to thump my chest too much...
… but I’m a computer nerd, and have a database with all Division I-A teams already in it. I just had to add the I-AA teams and then do some “Select by (insert state name here)” queries to get the names.
Still, it’s always nice to see one’s work acknowledged. :-)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I still have
a Commodore 64, the Lionel Richie signature series…
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vineyarddawg -
How do you schedule games 4-6 years out, when teams bounce up and down often? Doesn’t this require annual rescheduling and scheduling nightmares? There are quite a few more teams here than EPL.
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It could require some rescheduling for teams that get promoted or relegated.
For example, if Tech got relegated, Georgia would have to take one of its out-of-conference games and play Tech instead of some other opponent.
I don’t see that as a huge hurdle, though. Everything adapts to the times, and I suspect that the following two things would happen:
1) Contracts would be changed to include a standard clause allowing one team to back out when either party is promoted or relegated.
2) Out-of-conference matchups involving teams in your same stack would not be scheduled more than a year or two in advance, and most teams would likely hold one schedule spot open for eventualities like the example listed above (Tech getting relegated, or promoted from the second tier.)
It’s worth noting that contracts for out of conference matchups between, for example, Clemson and NC State or LSU and Ole Miss would not be affected because those teams are not in the same stack, and therefore would never be in the same conference.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bumping Boise up to the top tier in the Pac, but not bumping up TCU over Tech or A&M? Boo-urns.
http://www.frogsowar.com/
Hey, they can replace whoever finishes last next year!
All they have to do is win their division of the Mountain West. That’s the beauty of it!
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, but some recognition for being Texas’ second best team this decade still seems warranted.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 20, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Forget Texas.
Any system keeping Kansas promoted is faulty. Why not simply bump KU down and bring TCU up?
GATA!
Well, you could place whomever you want in the BCS league...
… TCU, Kansas, Baylor, or Stephen F. Austin.
Within a year or two, if they’re the better team, they’ll rise to the top level, or if they’re not worthy of being at the top level, they’ll fall down to the second level.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I guess just for the record, though...
… dropping Kansas and adding TCU to the Big XII does make the divisions easier. You could put TCU in the South and bump Oklahoma over to the North with Okie State.
But, again, the makeup of those divisions would change every year, so you’re not always going to get a “clean” divisional split. That’s just the nature of the promotion/relegation beast.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
You had me . . .
. . . at Clemson in the SEC East.
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Two questions. . . .
First of all, this is the first time I have ever posted on a blog of any kind, so I apologize in advance if I break some sort of blog posting protocol. While I am a graduate of UGA, I have always been a Georgia Southern fan because my father went to Georgia Southern and my brother currently plays football at Georgia Southern. So my two questions are related to the current 1-AA schools. Would there be some kind of opt-out option for schools that are being promoted? Obviously, schools being relegated shouldn’t have a choice, but if a school is being promoted, could they chose to stay in their current level, and if so would the promotion fall to the next team in line? I know that in years past schools like Georgia Southern have looked at moving up, but decided that they were happy where they were. Second, how would the issue of scholarships be handled? Schools at 1-AA are not allowed as many scholarships as 1-A teams. This doesn’t cause an issue for schools moving up, they just recruit more players. But, what about teams being relegated? Would they just have to cut a certain number of scholarships, not recruit for a year, or have a “grandfathering in” clause for them?
I do love the idea and, in fact, have thought about what major league baseball might look like with a relegation/promotion system. (I quickly abandoned the thought though due to the teams at each level having the same ownership as the teams above and below them) These are just two questions that came to mind after reading the proposal. Thanks.
Thanks for commenting, marseth1981.
Those are good questions. I would think the implementation of this proposal (which, of course, isn’t actually going to happen) would require leveling the playing field, in terms of available scholarships, so the NCAA would need to make 85 scholarships available to Division I-AA teams. This, though, would cause additional problems, as most of these schools likely could not afford the increased costs.
The latter fact might make it more likely that, if given the opportunity, Georgia Southern would opt to move up in weight class, because promotion would be more financially lucrative and at least somewhat more feasible with increased scholarships.
Those are just my initial thoughts. Those are good questions, though. Thanks for reading, and for taking part in the conversation!
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I agree with Kyle.
The scholarship issue would be the aspect that causes the most trouble, for the very reason that you mentioned, marseth1981.
And welcome! It’s good to have you aboard. :-)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 21, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fascinated.
I like the idea in principle, and it would certainly help generate interest for the crappy teams each year who are in danger of being relegated. But I’m a little hung up on the part about only conference games determining promotion/relegation (unless I misunderstood something, which is entirely possible). It seems to me that schools would have no incentive whatsoever to schedule anything other than cupcake OOC games.
Alternatively, you could make every game count but force teams to only schedule OOC games from their own tier. The biggest problem I see with that is that teams couldn’t really schedule any OOC games years in advance. I don’t know what kind of wrench that would throw into the gears, but I think it could add a lot of excitement to the OOC schedule. It would also go a long way towards helping us settle the inevitable “which conference (stack)” is best arguments.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 22, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions
Just wondering...
I’m sure you probably covered this, but can you explain why North Alabama gets the huge boost from Division II to be a part of this and Colorado State – a team mentioned in Big XII expansion rumors didn’t even make the third tier cut?
Also – why no Ivy, NEC, MEAC or SWAC teams included in this?
Great idea. Essentially this is what happens with high school football accross the country and it doesn’t seem to effect the rest of sports at all in terms of scheduling and playing different opponents and such.
As for the actual scheduling process, all teams would have to do is state the 2-3 teams that they would ‘have’ to play every year and then some independent entity would have to have the scheduling on themselves, but with the ability to realease it for the following year, shortly after the season concludes to allow for ticket sales, promotions and fans to plan travel.
All fair questions, naterhawk.
I’m not sure how Colorado State missed my eye. (Actually, I’ve always secretly hated the Rams and tried to torpedo them at every opportunity, but please don’t tell anybody. It’s a secret conspiracy.) I’d probably put them in the second-tier Mountain West and bump Wyoming or Rice down in their stead.
I’m not sure why I thought Terry Bowden’s North Alabama squad was a Division I-AA team… but I thought they were, so I included them. I realized after this was posted that they are, in fact, a Division II team, so they would simply be dropped from the list. This exercise was meant to only include NCAA Division I teams.
As for the Ivy, MEAC, and SWAC, all three of those leagues basically already exist outside of the system. They technically play Division I-AA ball, but they do not participate in the postseason, and I assumed they also would not want to break up their conferences (which are all assembled for cultural and historic reasons) by taking part in the promotion/relegation system. If those teams did want to participate, however, each team would simply be added to the Tier 3 conference for their state.
Finally, as for the Division I-AA Northeast Conference, I just whiffed on that one. I somehow completely missed it. As the name would suggest, though, all of the teams come from the new ACC stack footprint, so all of the teams from the NEC would be added to the Tier 3 conference that is associated with their state above. It looks like for most of them, that would be the Patriot League, so if I’d caught the NEC teams, I might have shifted some states over to CAA to better even the conferences out.
Great questions!
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Terry Bowden's *former* North Alabama squad, that is. :-)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions

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