Conference realignment endgame, part 1: Why college football needs a promotion/relegation system
Well, it's the time of year we call Bowl Season... that delightful time between the conference championship games and the national championship game when people gather around to watch bad exhibition football and complain about the BCS.
I have said in the past that the BCS is the worst method of selecting a national champion, except for all of the other systems. I would like to add a caveat to that statement, however. I have no problem with the method by which we match up a #1 team against a #2 team. The vast improvement we can make, however, is the method by which we ensure a level playing field for all teams: a promotion/relegation system.
At the risk of alienating the majority of readers, I must freely admit that I have stolen this idea from 90+% of the soccer leagues around the world. I hope you will bear with me for just a little while longer, however, because the reason it makes so much sense for college football is precisely the same reason it makes so much sense for the soccer world.
Let's consider England, for example. There are parts of the country where football (as they call it) is widely played, widely followed, and the fans who live there are so passionate about their teams that some people jokingly refer to it as their religion. There are other parts of the country where good football is played, but the fans simply aren't as loud and boisterous, so they at times get less publicity, even though their teams are very good. And certain parts of the country have great fans but poor teams, and vice versa.
There are literally hundreds of soccer teams associated with the Football Association, or FA as it is called. Some have more talent than others, some have more loyal supporters than others, and some simply have more resources than others. The way the FA sorts this out is by allowing teams to compete with other teams on their competition level year-in and year-out.
For example, there are 7 football teams in the Manchester metropolitan area alone, and 14 in Greater London. (For the soccer-literate among you, I'm only counting League teams.) If a club wants to improve their program, however (or if they happen to procure an oil baron as their program's premier benefactor), they have the opportunity to play their way into the best leagues and compete for the national titles on the field, and they do it all without a playoff system.
That system is the promotion/relegation system.
At its heart, the concepts of promotion and relegation are simple. A hierarchy of leagues is established, and the worst-performing teams in each league at the end of the year are demoted to the next league below them in the system. Likewise, the best-performing teams in each league are promoted to the league above them. As the old cliche goes, however... the devil is in the details.
- The first, and most unpleasant change (to some) we have to make is to codify one of the most basic unspoken rules of our current BCS system: namely, that teams from non-AQ conferences have no shot at winning the national championship.
- Unlike soccer leagues, college football can't have just one big "Premier League" conference. We would still need to have most of the current AQ conferences. I've done the Big East a favor and put it out of its misery. (The numbers worked better that way, anyway.) Now, every AQ and second-tier conference will be required to have exactly 12 teams. (Conference championship games are still optional, however.)
- All of the BCS automatic-qualifying conferences will be required to be geographically-based. Likewise, the conferences attached to them in the promotion ladder will be tied to similar geographies.
- Bonus: The third-tier leagues and lower (currently Division I-AA) would not need to cancel their current playoff systems. They can still crown their national champions via playoff, but it simply would not affect who was promoted and relegated, which would be determined solely by league standings.
- Pros: The previous rule leads to one of the most positive side-effects of this system: We will be able to eliminate all of the radical realignment that has been occurring. We will no longer have a "Big East" conference that boasts members from California, Idaho, and Texas, or a "Western Athletic Conference" that includes Louisiana Tech. Also, we will eliminate parvenus like Boise State, who have been harping for the better part of a decade that they "belong with the big boys." They would have been "big boys" a long time ago under this system.
- The biggest "Pro" of this plan, however, is that it will do what is long overdue in collegiate athletics: it will strip college football away from all of the other athletics programs sponsored by the NCAA. Schools will be free to pursue static memberships in conferences for all other sports, saving themselves from having to send the women's softball team from Connecticut to Boise, Idaho, just so the football team can be part of a "power conference." The football money will still be there, and it will still be distributed amongst the conference's member schools. What we are doing here is putting the cash cow to work, while allowing all of the other sports to pursue their natural, historic conference alignments.
- Cons: It is unknown which teams will be promoted and relegated each year, so it's possible that divisions might have to be realigned within conferences on a year-to-year basis to continue making geographic sense. Also, the initial implementation will have to be accompanied with another radical realignment to set the geographic footprint of the AQ conferences.
Just for the sake of creating the first hypothetical, I've created the following hierarchy as a starting point. Every year, the bottom 2 finishers in the conference (the last-place teams from each division) will be relegated to the next-lowest tier in the table, and the top two finishers from each conference will be promoted to the next-highest tier.
The conferences are tied as follows (Listed through 3 tiers, though we can go as many layers down as it takes to encompass all NCAA football-playing institutions ):
SEC -> Conference USA -> Southern Conference/CAA
ACC -> Big East/Sun Belt (SUN BEAST!) -> Big South Conference/Patriot League
Big Ten(+2) -> MAC -> Pioneer/Ohio Valley League
Big XII -> Mountain West -> Missouri Valley/Southland Conference
Pac-12 -> WAC -> Great West/Big Sky Conference
Coming in part 2 (and potentially a part 3 if it's too long): The new team breakdown of each conference (to set geographical boundaries)
What do you think of this new system? Will it help level the playing field for universities who would like to step up their level of competition? Would you like it just for the laughs of seeing a team like Vanderbilt or Kentucky slip down to what is today a I-AA conference? Or do you hate it and hate me for proposing it? Let me know in the comments!
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I support promotion/relegation
in theory, but you’d have to come up with some way to balance the schedule. Non-conference games shouldn’t be counted, just like they aren’t counted when deciding who wins the SEC title. Let’s take this year for example: If you were to relegate the bottom 3 in the SEC, that would be Ole Miss (0-8) and Tennessee (1-7), but Miss St and Kentucky both finished 2-6. Kentucky had the easier the schedule, by not having to play Alabama or Arkansas, but now they’re a tie-breaker away from staying up and sending Miss St down. If UK somehow won whatever tie-breaker system was setup, I would incensed as a Miss St fan, and would track down vineyarddawg, the creator of the system that resulted in this injustice, feed him my cowbell, hang him upside down in my trailer’s dining room/kitchen/rec room, and ring him every time Miss St needed a big stop against one of our new Conference USA rivals.
To balance the schedule, every team would have to play every other team in the conference, so each team would play 11 conference games, and to truly balance it, every team would have to play every other team home and away, so each team would have to play 22 conference games.
I know it seems excessive, but I follow a club that was relegated last year: West Ham. Luckily, West Ham has the financial backing to survive, but for some teams, the financial hit you take with relegation is a death sentence. If UGA were to to be relegated and had to give up the SEC TV revenue and SEC bowl tie-ins for the Conference USA deals, what would that do? Relegation is too crushing to a program to let it be decided by the whims of the scheduling gods.
I do really love the relegation/promotion system, though. Every game and every goal matters. West Ham was in last place for most of the season last year, and I’ve never followed a season more closely or lived and died so painfully with every result.
by jon_snow on Dec 19, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Imma rec this, mostly because I like the idea of ringing Vineyarddawg whilst hanging upside down.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ha ha!

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by DavetheDawg on Dec 19, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Upside down and inverted apparently.
Now I need NCT. Can you be upside down and inverted?
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by RedCrake on Dec 19, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Winter is coming for the Hammers, jon_snow.
And while your analogy is interesting, it’s only partially valid, because English Premier League clubs get a “parachute payment” of £10+ million a year for two seasons after they’re relegated, which helps to cushion the financial blow. A similar arrangement could always be worked out for teams that are relegated from BCS conferences. And not only that, but the financial blow is less of an issue for the football teams, because unlike professional soccer teams, college football teams don’t pay their players. Other than the prestige loss of not playing in the BCS, there’s nothing stopping a relegated team from having a bang-up recruiting year and bouncing back up to the BCS conference the following year.
I like the idea of the conference record being the only metric that counts, but I don’t agree that such a metric necessitates an 11-game conference schedule. As you said yourself, this year, Ole Miss and Tennessee would have been relegated. And as a Bizarro Bulldog fan, I know you’d have just been giggling all night after the Egg Bowl about that.
And not only that, but the Tennessee/Kentucky game at the end of the year would have been a game to decide which team would be relegated. It would have generated much more interest if UK were leading UT in a match that would send the Vols down to Conference USA for at least a year.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting concept,
which will never, ever come to reality with so much revenue at stake. On a side note, is it too late to continue laughing at Man U and Man City for being knocked out of the Champions League? :-P
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by Wonton Beef Stew on Dec 19, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions
It's never too late to laugh at Manchester United. :-)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Laugh while you can.
I’d just like to point out that United usually surges to the top during around Boxing Day when their depth allows them to grind out wins when other squads get worn out playing their regulars. I’m also going to point out that United usually dominates the second half of the season.
One final note:
Sir Alex Ferguson.
by Tired Old Dawg on Dec 19, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I am a Bowen, which is a Manchester name. And I don't know UK soccer, but I know
Warning: very explicit lyrics.
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by tankertoad on Dec 19, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, the soccer staff here will love this video btw. )
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Do we hate Man U
Because they’re good?
How did all of y’all decide which teams you were going to follow.
I’ve been to England for a total of 4 days in my life. I was only in London. Should I root for Arsenal or Chelsea? Liverpool? Why not Man U.?
I thoroughly enjoy soccer, but I can’t seem to latch on to a particular squad. What about La Liga or Serie A?
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by Munson's_Marbles on Dec 20, 2011 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Brad Friedel :-)
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by RedCrake on Dec 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Friedel is why I like Blackburn
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Here's how I decide which soccer team(s) to follow:
1. Is that soccer team representing the University of Georgia in intercollegiate competition?
2. Does that soccer team include a reasonably attractive female who currently is celebrating a victory by removing her shirt and running around in a sports bra?
If the answer to either question is “yes,” I root for that team. If the answer to both questions is “no,” I don’t root for that team.
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by Munson's_Marbles on Dec 21, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'm seriously curious...
How each of y’all who are EPL fans chose your favorite teams?
For me, I need a connection, either geographically or genetically, to a team. For example, I root for UGA, the Falcons, the Hawks, etc. Why? Well…duh.
I feel disingenuous picking a random team, say the Tottenham Hotspur, and then pretending I like them and dislike everyone else. And if I am going to pick a random team, shouldn’t I pick a winner? Looking at the winners of the EPL, it seems only 3 or 4 teams have a realistic chance of winning each year: Man U., Chelsea, or Arsenal have won the league every year since 1992, except once when Blackburn won. Why root for Fulham, Everton, etc., when they won’t ever win? Heck, even the runners-up are all the same.
I get the desire to root for the underdog, but as a fan of teams that have won a collective ONE national title, world series, or championship in my life, I root for enough underdogs. (I was in the womb in the Superdome for the Dawgs’ last National Championship, but, alas, my view was obstructed. Also, I’m focusing on college football/basketball. I realize many Dawgs’ squads/individuals have won championships, most notably the Gym Dawgs.)
Thus, I’m tempted to root for Man U. or Chelsea…Tell me (a) why I shouldn’t and (b) explain why the EPL is so top-heavy and give me a reason to root for Stoke City, Blackburn, Wolverhamton, etc.
Also, why not root for a squad like the Damn United? They were dominant, but now, they’re in next league down!
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This is a great discussion topic.
Why don’t you create a Fan Post for this, Jman781?
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'll put this up on the FanPost as well
But when I was still playing I was a keeper. The American keeper in the EPL at the time I was really getting into the Premier League, Kasey Keller, played for Tottenham. When he moved on, I didnt. I didn’t initially dislike any of the teams because, as you stated, I didn’t really have a reason to. However, as I became more of a Spurs fan, I developed a hatred for certain teams for a variety of reasons (usually because they had a habit of poaching our players).
As far as other leagues, I follow Napoli in Serie A and Stuttgart in Bundesliga… But those were really just chosen at random to give me something to watch when Spurs aren’t playing.
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by RedCrake on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just hope those Thursday Europa games bring them back to the rest of the table
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The big problem...
…as I see it, is that college football is far less consistent from one season to the next. Players are only here 4 years (if that), and of those probably only start for an average of two.
So, on average, a team is composed of about ~50% of the same starters from year to year. Taking Boise State as an example, this year might have earned them promotion. But next year, they’ll have lost 90% of their starters (including Kellen Moore). So what will be the point of promoting them? You would be giving their best team no shot, and a far inferior team a pointless promotion that will soon be reversed.
Promotion/Relegation only makes sense if year-to-year performance is very closely correlated, and that just isn’t the case in college football.
That's the same in every sport, though.
Rosters are always variable from one year to the next, especially when teams get promoted and relegated. When Stoke City was first promoted to the EPL in 2009, they replaced half their starting lineup in the offseason with better players… and that number is pretty par for the course. Likewise, a newly-promoted college football team would undoubtedly lose some seniors, but they could also gain a higher level of talent from new recruits than they might otherwise get.
If the Boise State of 2004 had just been promoted and Washington had just been relegated, for example, how many of the top recruits from the state of Washington might have gone to Boise instead of U-Dub?
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Even worse!
I am surprised that teams replace 50% of their roster, but that’s even more evidence that it won’t work at the college level. As you said, Stoke replaced their worst 50% of players. College teams are replacing their best players with freshmen. Boise could have our 2010 Dream Team coming in and it would do little to prevent their relegation in 2012. Freshmen are still freshmen.
Now if you could loosen the feedback loop, that would help a little. Maybe promoted teams get a guaranteed 3 years at the new level? I still don’t think it would be a good idea, although I am a big fan of the promotion/relegation system in general.
Why would you think that?
I think if Boise State had Isaiah Crowell and Malcolm Mitchell on their team, they could probably manage to finish ahead of the Wazzu’s, Oregon State’s, and U-Dub’s of the Pac-12.
And even if they couldn’t, any team in any BCS conference that has a lot of seniors could be facing that scenario if they don’t have a solid recruiting class backing them up.
We’ve seen freshmen have a major impact on their teams over the years… from Marcus Lattimore to Darren McFadden, and from David Greene all the way back to Herschel Walker. I’m not saying a newly-promoted team should be able to immediately win their conference, but they would not necessarily be automatically assured of going back down the following year.
Inevitably, you would of course get teams that bounce back and forth with regularity, much like some clubs in every soccer league in the world do today. And you might get an impressively huge meltdown once a decade or so, like Leeds being relegated to the 3rd division (which would be kind of like Auburn getting relegated down to the Southern Conference). That’s not only not an undesirable result… that’s the whole point of a promotion/relegation system. Reward greatness and punish failure.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
My point is not...
…that no freshman has ever made a contribution. Examples are almost entirely irrelevant, because the fact is that the average student in his final year (because early departing high draft picks are part of the attrition too!) is far better than the average freshman.
Outside the top 15 programs, college athletics by their very nature lead to one-off ‘boom’ years because a team gets lucky with a recruiting class or two developing nicely and kicking ass as upperclassmen. For teams on the bubble, such years are almost inevitably followed by letdowns. It’s not just that there would be a few borderline teams bouncing back and forth, the place would be downright lousy with them.
Ok, I concede all of your points.
Why do all of those things count as arguments against promotion and relegation? Good teams get promoted, then if they’re not good enough at the next level, they get relegated.
Surely you would concede that some teams would be able to remain in the conferences to which they were promoted?
In fact, it’s hard to have an argument that’s so theoretical. Wait until I post the actual conference membership rolls tomorrow, and reconsider my argument then. I mean, UAB isn’t going to become as good as Alabama in the SEC, but could Fresno State eventually become as good as Oregon State? Or Cal? Those are the kinds of comparisons we should be making when considering your argument.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I admit this point by itself is not a deal-breaker. I look forward to the follow up.
Let's just
relegate Auburn to Riker’s Island and go home.
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by DavetheDawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
But my point is that you don't need a playoff!
Make the games at the bottom of the standings more exciting, as well. Punish the underachievers and reward the overachievers. The national championship will always be the “mythical national championship,” because you’re dealing with a 120+ team organization. Let #1 vs. #2 keep its controversy and mystique.
But by instituting the promotion/relegation scheme, you can make the bottom of the leagues exciting for TV viewers, too… and potentially bring in even more money.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
The last weekend of the EPL season is always a blast. Watching some truly terrible teams scrap for their lives is some of the most exciting action of the whole season.
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by RedCrake on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kind of like . . .
. . . the Tennessee-Vanderbilt and Tennessee-Kentucky football games in November?
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Tennessee’s bowl hopes hinged on both of those games.
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Promotion/relegation doesn't have a place in college athletics
Mostly because conferences (and rivalries) exist across multiple sports.
Did you read my entire article, drothgery?
I specifically said that one of the great things about this system is that is separates college football from the rest of college athletics, as it should be. All other sports would be free to maintain static conference affiliations as they do today.
College football in this day and time is all about money. So let it continue to be all about money, and don’t punish other sports by forcing them into awkward conferences with no natural geographic connection or rivalry. College football needs to be separate for its own good and for the good of all the nonrevenue sports that don’t want to be forced to travel from New Jersey to Idaho just because it’s good for the football team.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I managed to miss that
Mostly because you never said it straight out, just implied it.
He did say it.
“Schools will be free to pursue static memberships in conferences for all other sports, saving themselves from having to send the women’s softball team from Connecticut to Boise, Idaho, just so the football team can be part of a “power conference.”
I’m not sure how else to interpret that.
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 19, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think this would work.
Pro teams can go out and buy players. College football relies on recruiting. As noted above the turnover is much greater in college teams. Despite the usual promotion spending binge and the inevitable relegation sell off most clubs have certain squad members that carry the load for the club in the long haul. There are few teams that totally clear off rosters every four years like a college team would.
And in the world of relegation/promotion you still have the clear delineation of the haves and the have-nots. Look at how few teams from the Championship stay in the EPL for more than one – two seasons. The bottom of the table usually looks like a lava lamp while the top stays remarkably static.
Although vertical climbs are possible most teams tend to stay at the level that their resources allow until something happens that increases their resources (Arab sheiks, Russian billionaires, etc)
That still happens here
Sure, you can’t directly buy or sell players, but recruiting is heavily influenced on funding and facilities. Oklahoma State would be at the bottom of the Big 12 if it weren’t for T. Boone Pickens. Oregon would be irrelevant without Nike.
If a team were to be promoted and lose a lot of players, with a competent use of the added funding and a good recruiting year, even if they are relegated the first year they should be promoted no later than the players’ junior years if they are coached well enough, giving at least a season to prove themselves. If they can’t, then they belong in the lower league.
by Dawg from Canton on Dec 19, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Not only that, but your argument actually works against you, Old Tired Dawg. One of the reason the Chelsea’s, ManU’s, and Liverpool’s of the world remain perennially near the top isn’t because the best soccer talent in the world naturally resides in London, Manchester, or Liverpool. They simply buy the best players and the best coaches year in and year out.
Big college football programs can hire big-name coaches, but they still have to keep recruiting the talent every single year to stay afloat. So even if the big programs’ money gives them an advantage because they can hire better coaches, that’s no different than the advantage they have in the current system. And we’re talking about a way to give less-prestigious schools a chance to step up to the class of the big boys’, however small that might be.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 19, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Vineyarddawg
I have been thinking of a post about things I want to change in college football, and this kind of touches on part of it. But I think I have an easier system – rather than 120 Div 1A schools, you simply cut it down to, say, 75. Maybe even less. The problem I have had is deciding the criteria, which is where your idea maybe works a little better than mine.
And you are absolutely correct, football needs to be separate from the other sports. It truly is its own entity, separate from the other sports where conferences work.
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A Playoff System
I know all of you look in to these things much more than myself so answer this for me….
Why wouldn’t the same playoff system that the Div AA uses , work for div A ??
by Ogeechee River Dawg on Dec 20, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions
I think it’s interesting that this was posted on the same day as an alternate proposal on Team Speed Kills – great minds thinking alike, and all that. No offense, but I much prefer that one. One thing I like about both is the inclusion of geography as a league-determining factor. One I prefer about theirs is the concept of each team playing the full conference slate every year. And the playoff :)
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