Penn State Coaching Search Targets Mark Richt: Why the Nittany Lions Will Not Poach the Bulldogs' Coach
As NCT noted on Friday, rumors abound regarding Mark Richt and the Penn St. Nittany Lions. Frankly, these rumors are both ignorant and stupid, and anyone who takes these rumors seriously is either ignorant or stupid, but these rumors are out there, nevertheless, so, unfortunately, they warrant discussion, if for no other reason than the fact that Black Shoe Diaries, Off Tackle Empire, and Team Speed Kills all have published postings concerning the purported possibility that Coach Richt might succeed Joe Paterno as the head coach in State College.
Though the three postings cited above are, for the most part, reasonable, some of the comments that followed the ones published at Big Ten weblogs ranged from the idiotic to the uninformed to the thoroughly divorced from reality, so perhaps this would be an opportune time to offer a few reasons why everyone ought to calm down about something that simply is not going to happen.
First, though, I would like to offer a disclaimer. As I pointed out when debunking silly slights from Stewart Mandel, I do not mean to demean Pennsylvania State University, its football program, or its fans. My point is not to disparage PSU, a program and an institution whose strengths are myriad; my point is simply to illustrate that (a) Mark Richt has a good thing going in Athens, and (b) Mark Richt is smart enough to know that. For the sake of my blood pressure this Christmas season, I will refrain from responding to some of the more asinine animadversions cast in the aforementioned comment threads, the perpetrators of which either are too moronic or too mendacious to matter.
Contrary to what the aforementioned Stewart Mandel would tell you, the Georgia and Penn State programs are about as comparable historically as their closely-contested lone series meeting would indicate. The Bulldogs and the Nittany Lions both entered the 2011 season ranked in the top 13 all-time in winning percentage, in the top eleven all-time in total victories, and in the top eight all-time in total bowl appearances. At noon on January 2, Penn State will take the field for its 44th bowl appearance seeking its 28th postseason victory; one hour later, Georgia will take the field for its 47th bowl appearance seeking its 27th postseason victory. Since first taking the field in 1887, the Nittany Lions have posted 21 ten-win seasons and claimed two consensus national championships, most recently in 1986; since first taking the field in 1892, the Bulldogs have posted 19 ten-win seasons and claimed two consensus national championships, most recently in 1980.
Historically, therefore, there is no particularly good reason for preferring Penn State to Georgia, all other things being equal . . . but, even if there were, all other things are not equal. In State College, Coach Richt would face the task of replacing a legend at a program tainted by scandal after the longstanding skipper’s lengthy senescence left the storied team in a state of disarray, if not disrepair. Frankly, if Coach Richt had wanted to undertake such a job, he’d have stayed in Tallahassee in the hope of succeeding Bobby Bowden as the head coach of the Florida St. Seminoles.
Instead of subjecting himself to such a situation, Coach Richt’s other alternative is to stay where he is, where he and his family (including several members of his extended family, as well as his wife and children) have lived for more than a decade, where he faces a future featuring a forthcoming contract extension and the return in 2012 of a defending division championship squad topheavy with talented underclassmen poised for a return run to the Georgia Dome. Mark Richt is about as likely to walk away from that situation as Vince Dooley was liable to leave Athens after Herschel Walker’s freshman year.
Speaking of which, it bears mentioning that Georgia, like Penn State, is a destination job, not a way station to another post. No Georgia coach has exited Athens to accept a coaching job somewhere else since Joel Hunt in 1938, before the ‘Dawgs had either won a Southeastern Conference title or attended a bowl game. Since then, Vince Dooley has been offered a bank-breaking salary to take over at his alma mater . . . and he remained with the Red and Black. Some 17 seasons later, Jim Donnan was afforded the opportunity to fulfill his lifelong dream of becoming a head coach in his home state . . . and he stayed with the Bulldogs.
The Classic City, like Happy Valley, is a place head coaches don’t leave after arriving there. It may be difficult for folks in State College to fathom, since the Nittany Lions haven’t had to hire a new head coach since before I was born, but spending more than a decade in the same job counts for quite a lot in college coaching; Mark Richt, the dean of SEC coaches, is the third Georgia skipper to last more than ten years in Athens.
The first of Coach Richt’s predecessors to do so was Wally Butts, who was the head coach of the Bulldogs for 22 seasons. When he left the Sanford Stadium sideline, Coach Butts had more wins than any of his predecessors at Georgia. He thereafter became the Bulldogs’ full-time athletic director. He lived the rest of his life in Athens, and he is buried at Oconee Hill Cemetery, in the shadow of Sanford Stadium. Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall, the building in which Mark Richt’s office is located, is named in Wally Butts’s honor.
The second of Coach Richt’s predecessors to last more than a decade in the Classic City was Vince Dooley, who was the head coach of the Bulldogs for 25 seasons. When he left the Sanford Stadium sideline, Coach Dooley had more wins than any of his predecessors at Georgia. He thereafter became the Bulldogs’ full-time athletic director, and he still lives in Athens. The Vince Dooley Athletic Complex, the complex in which Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall is located, is named in Vince Dooley’s honor.
Coach Richt, who is more than halfway to matching Coach Dooley’s school-record win tally, has compiled a better winning percentage than that of either of his long-tenured predecessors in his eleven seasons on the job at Georgia. How likely, then, is Coach Richt to bolt the Peach State for Pennsylvania? Permit me to answer that question with the words of Mark Richt himself:
I got offered the Pittsburgh job about 12 years ago and decided not to go. I asked [my wife] Katharyn, "Do you want to live in Pittsburgh the rest of your life?" She said, "No,"and I said, "Then we’re not going." She asked, "Why not?" I said, "Because I don’t want to go to a school, knowing that I’m just using that as a steppingstone to go somewhere else. I’ll just stay where I’m at." I told her my goal is to stay at Florida State for the rest of our career, and if we do move for a head coaching opportunity, we move only once.
He turned down the Pittsburgh Panthers in the hope of being given a future opportunity to become a head coach at a school at which he would be content to spend the rest of his career. When the possibility of becoming the head coach of the Georgia Bulldogs arose, Coach Richt actively pursued the job, and he has never given any indication of an inclination to go elsewhere. Heck, he’s even been known to apologize for innocuous statements that might have been misinterpreted as evincing an intention to leave.
In light of the regrettable scandal engulfing the Penn State program, it makes perfect sense that the Nittany Lions would want a man of Mark Richt’s unimpeachable integrity. Coach Richt has won in the SEC without oversigning, and he has proven to be a strict disciplinarian who is not afraid to kick bad seeds off of his team. In that respect, Coach Richt would be a worthy successor to Joe Paterno, and, besides, Penn State already has been associated with prominent Georgians in the midst of the current crisis.
If Coach Richt were still the offensive coordinator at Florida State and found himself faced with the choice between becoming the head coach in Athens and becoming the head coach in State College, he might well choose the latter over the former. I don’t think he would, but I concede that he reasonably could.
Here and now, though? With all due respect to Penn State, our head coach ain’t leaving. It’s nothing personal; it’s just the way it is, and the way it is, is this: Mark Richt will never leave Georgia to take a head coaching job somewhere else, period.
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I enjoyed reading the comments and seeing how the Big Ten faithful view us and the SEC.
And laughed out loud at the thought of a program drooling to get Mike Bobo.
You show admirable restraint.....
refrain from responding to some of the some of the more asinine animadversions
No less a paragon of vitue and reason than Clive Staples Lewis couldn’t hold back where asinine versions (conincidentally regarding Lions!) were concerned:
But I am absolutely opposed – adamant isn’t in it! – to a TV version. Anthropomorphic animals, when taken out of narrative into actual visibility, always turn into buffoonery or nightmare. At least, with photography. Cartoons (if only Disney did not combine so much vulgarity with his genius!) wld. be another matter. A human, pantomime, Aslan wld. be to me blasphemy.
If the creator of one of the greatest stories in history was unwilling to dismiss a cartoon Aslan can we be so quick to dismiss these animadversions of the Nittany Lions? Have times changed so much since 1959?
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Dec 18, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions
The post that was linked from 2007
was CLASSIC.
I enjoyed:
1) firstly the writeup. very well done, and I was laughing throughout the whole juice story.
2) how funny it was to read about the lack of indoor facility. LOL@PastRicht because FutureRicht loves his indoor facility.
3) “Nick Saban doesn’t have time for this $hit” was a thing back then? I thought it was a more recent thing.
4) “Blogger who just came in from the cold” sure was right about Richt leaving UGA, wasn’t he? I’m so glad you have that archived, Kyle. Now everyone can see how right he was.
by HerschelBlogger on Dec 18, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions
fwiw,
thanks to that post, I am now perusing a bunch of archived pages.
For instance, I’m currently on the post right after the 2008 Tech loss. Kyle wrote a wonderfully accurate piece about how the load is on the defense’s shoulders, and how they just aren’t getting it done.
I want to like, reach out to past-us and tell them that it’s going to be okay! I want them to know about Grantham, and maybe laugh about Florida and Tennessee’s misfortunes.
That’d be fun.
by HerschelBlogger on Dec 18, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd for, inter alia, vocabulary.
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Moronic and mendacious is too kind...
I will refrain from responding to some of the more asinine animadversions cast in the aforementioned comment threads, the perpetrators of which either are too moronic or too mendacious to matter.
I read the Off Tackle Empire thread. Delusional doesn’t even begin to describe some of the responses. That entire blog is an embarrassment to SBNation, IMO.
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The fellows who run it are good people, and they put together some quality postings, . . .
. . . but I cannot begin to describe to you how incredibly offensive I find it that they have a picture of William Tecumseh Sherman on their weblog.
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I realize
they may have some virtues. Taste isn’t one of them.
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I don't understand, Kyle.
Are you saying that a man who was a drunkard, pillaged and burned a large swath of Georgia, and issued a general order expelling Jews from his territories (which he later claimed he signed through ignorance, which is not a better excuse than “I knew what I was doing, but just made a mistake”) is not an appropriate mascot for a B1G blog?
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 18, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Come to think of it...
Sherman sounds like a perfect leader. Or legend.
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by DavetheDawg on Dec 18, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Some of those comments
are both hilarious and pathetically delusional.
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I largely agree with you, but
I see one large difference between UGA and PSU that might explain the perception difference of neutral football fans. PSU put up their numbers as an independent and the dominant eastern team for most of the past 50 years. UGA has always been in the SEC shadow of other schools. Historically it was AL and UT, and more recently it’s been UF and LSU too. PSU being the king of the east makes them seem better than a UGA team seen as a little brother in the southeast despite equivalent results. I think the perception will change over time as more and more fans only think of PSU as a B10 team, behind OSU and UM (and maybe NE too), much like they think of UGA in the SEC.
Condescend much?
UGA has always been in the SEC shadow of other schools.
What a fallacious, sweeping statement.
Vandy, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the schools I think you’re looking for. Florida didn’t exist until 1990.
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Reality isn't condescension
Nobody outside of GA thinks of UGA as the top program in the SEC. It’s one of the top ones, but not #1. AL and TN were the historical kings, and LSU and FL have risen in the past 10-20 years. It doesn’t make UGA any worse to be in a conference with other programs that have a better national reputation, but it’s not realistic to say that UGA isn’t thought of as a touch below other SEC programs.
stating
that we have always been in the shadows of other SEC schools implies we’ve never achieved anything. We’ve achieved plenty.
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UGA has achieved a lot
That doesn’t change the fact that AL has achieved more, or that UF and LSU have been more elite lately while UGA has been . AL casts a huge shadow, and the National Championships for AL, LSU and UF lately push UGA back a little farther.
On the plus side, . . .
. . . we won our division this year, which is more than Penn State (or Alabama, or Florida) can say.
Also, our former defensive coordinators aren’t allowed to rape ten-year-olds in the shower in the athletic building, so we’ve got that going for us, too.
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At least they have
locker room comraderie.
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No one is disputing
what Alabama has achieved. So what’s your point?
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That impacts perception of UGA
If UGA had achieved all the same things and there wasn’t an AL in the SEC, UGA would get more national acclaim. If UF and LSU hadn’t won multiple titles lately, UGA would get more recognition. I’m saying the national perception of UGA is skewed by the success of other SEC teams while PSU had no regional rivals to steal their thunder.
National acclaim
is as ephemeral as a mayfly. Just ask Auburn. I have a feeling we’ll get plenty next season.
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OK
So why is everyone so upset that PSU gets more acclaim than UGA? All I did was point out that regional dominance, rather than more success, might explain why PSU is perceived as a better program by Mandel and other neutral fans.
They don't, so no one is...
if you’re asking why they get more media attention, it’s because they harbored a child rapist for decades.
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Correction
All you did is drop by this Georgia Bulldog thread and condescend. Your redirection ain’t working…and you still ain’t getting our coach.
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Also, Mandel and others are morons who can't listen or think
Richt has said through words and actions repeatedly he’s not leaving. Penn St doesn’t have the money, the recruiting background, the local community for his family, the ability to immediately compete for titles, the facilities, nor the other resources to compete with Georgia for a coach.
There’s a reason you’re getting shot down by the true shadow program coaches like Mullen. Richt isn’t going anywhere, especially to a has been in shambles like Happy Valley.
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100% agree that Richt wouldn't go to PSU
I don’t know who started the rumor, but it never made sense to anyone.
I'll grant that the misplaced media hagiography of Joe Paterno . . .
. . . may have gotten the Nittany Lions more credit than they deserved over the years, but the idea that Penn State is more acclaimed than Georgia is so misplaced that an idiot like Stewart Mandel had to invent make-believe Montanans to support his silly point.
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I don't think the idea is wrong
Outside of the southeast, PSU has gotten more acclaim over the years. I’m not saying they deserved it, but they were the sole football power near all the NYC media while UGA had schools like AL stealing the spotlight.
Uh, no. No way. I have lived all over the country, and PSU hasnt had near the attention in the last ten years as UGA - at least positive attention.
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Yeah...
I’ll have to disagree with ya on your points. I’ve lived in NJ, Maryland, Montana, Colorado, Texas, GA, WV, VA and NC and Georgia has never been referred to as a 2nd tier team by anyone I knew who followed football…except by Florida fans, but they wear jorts and marry their sisters, so you can’t really take anything they say seriously.
Honestly, I’ve never heard anyone put the PSU program on a pedastal like you’re claiming is done. They have a top program, given. You can argue they don’t have to, but I’ve never heard anyone really say PSU is top tier but Georgia isn’t. Quite frankly, I’ve never heard it go the other way around either.
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.
by Droz on Dec 22, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can you call Mandel neutral?
Like Kirk Herbstreit and Mark may all cal Big-10 schools as their alma mater? the inclusion of these reporters in the Big-10 are enough to understand why they would raise a conference school over a SEC school. EPIC FAIL on the neutrality try
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Correction
Mark May went to Pitt, not a B10 school.
I call national journalists neutral when they are discussing anyone but their alma mater. Most conferences don’t have the solidarity of the SEC, so a NW alum like Mandel is more likely to disparage other B10 schools than support them.
Exactly.
Mark May, in particular, has a bias against Georgia because he went to Pitt, believing as he does that his Panthers, and not the Bulldogs, deserved to be crowned the national champions in 1980.
As for Stewart Mandel, I’ve never noticed his Northwestern roots influencing him much, because, well, it’s Northwestern. He’s just an idiot.
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And nobody things of anyone in the B1G as a "top program"
except Ohio St, Nebraska, and Michigan. Penn St and others success over 20 years ago means as little as Georgia’s to that “top program” perception.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I don't know if Nebraska is really in the "top program" category anymore, either.
They basically haven’t achieved anything of note since Frank Solich was fired after a 9-win season. They haven’t even finished in the Top 10 in nearly a decade.
Nebraska has the name and the history… but in the here and now, they’ve been largely irrelevant in their own conference, let alone on the national stage. That could always change in the B1G… but I think after a decade of irrelevance, they’ll have to earn that title back.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 18, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
UGA needs to win the NC and stay in the NC hunt in order to be seen as a top program
I would compare us to LSU in terms of national rep until Saban’s NC. Great football school, fanatical fan base but overshadowed by Bama. Now, LSU has another title under it’s Hat and is in the title game again. They’re there. We were on the verge of seizing the high ground going into the 2008 season… and you know what happened. We could get there within the next couple of years IF we win an NC. No one wants it worse than I do (except tankertoad).
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by Dr. Morpheus on Dec 19, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's one way of looking at it, br27.
I think the more realistic way of looking at it is that Penn State built its records as an independent against suspect schedules (which explains why the Nittany Lions were denied the national championship in multiple seasons in which they finished undefeated), dropped its in-state rival from its schedule after Pitt became too tough to tame, and generally has been an also-ran since joining the Big Ten.
No one who knows anything about the history of college football thinks of Georgia as a “little brother” to anyone. The Bulldogs have won twelve SEC championships, more than any other school except Alabama and Tennessee, the latter of whom has one more conference crown than the Red and Black. In the last decade, two teams have been to the SEC Championship Game four times: Georgia and LSU.
Seriously, dude, take a minute to learn something before displaying your ignorance. This is exactly the kind of silliness I was talking about, above.
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by T Kyle King on Dec 18, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree about PSU's schedules
They got a ton of cheap wins against weak eastern teams. All I said was that regional dominance can impact national perception. For a modern example, look at the hype Boise gets for dominating a bad conference.
People who truly know CFB history definitely think of UGA as a little brother in the SEC to AL (and UT to a lesser extent) long term. The recent national championships for LSU and UF put them ahead of UGA in recent times, too. That’s not a put down of UGA, but an acknowledgment of the success of other SEC teams.
George Foreman and Joe Frazier were both great fighters. It doesn’t lessen them to say that Ali was better.
I agree to a certain point
Remember guys, we are talking about perception and not particularly reality. Also, I think the phrase “little brother” means different things to different people. Is UGA on par with Kentucky, Vandy or the Mississippi schools? Hell no. But over the long haul is it equal with Bama? No. I understand the SEC title point, but that is recognized more regionally. Nationally, people are looking at MNCs. And whether we like it or not the past 20 years of history is what is reality to many people- especially the younger ones. That reality is one that Florida is put on a higher rung than UGA. I don’t like it, but it is the truth.
However, this argument doesn’t really effect the Richt to PSU myth because Richt does understand what UGA is and where it is in the pecking order and where it is close to being. And I think whatever real or simply perceived national prominence PSU has over UGA is definitely not enough to sway him to leave.
Thus, for all the Lion fans, if you really want an SEC coach, I am sure Bobby Petrino would be available. Or if you want a coach from a “nationally prominent” school, Fulmer has been trying to whore himself out.
by fotodog on Dec 18, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am offended by your use of the word "whore," fotodog.
Not the fact that you used it, necessarily… just that you used it when referring to Phil Fulmer.
(full body shiver)
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 18, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I've never supported the Richt to PSU rumors
They never made sense to me or any non-PSU fan. Before the scandal, it was a sideways move. Now it would be a step back.
They way you said it doesn't invoke Foreman and Frazier greatness
and you are minimizing their success by “acknowledging” others.
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Regional dominance over far inferior teams
coupled with media bias can impact national perception. UGA is currently 4th in the SEC in overall winning (.645) percentage behind AL(.710), UT(.687), and LSU…your self-proclaimed “little brother of the SEC” is .002 points behind LSU. UGA stands 3rd in the conference in Championships (12) behind Alabama (22) and UT (13). LSU (11) is fourth and Florida (7) is fifth. Florida (.629) had a flourish in the 1990’s and 2000’s, but by followers of the SEC are seen as a newcomer to the upper echelon with a mediocre past and a not too promising immediate future. While Penn State was amassing wins against far inferior opponents in the East, UGA was slugging out 6-8 games a year against a conference that is consistently recognized no worse than 2nd in the nation.
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by Dawg2011 on Dec 18, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you agree with me
The perception is influenced by the other teams in their region and not by any actual measure of success.
Then the B1G, how is their perception influenced?
Since the best teams in that region are routinely trounced each and every time they face the SEC on a big stage?
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 19, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
In unrelated news...
Watching Stafford connect to Calvin Johnson as Detroit makes an improbably comeback makes me smile. And cry.
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by DavetheDawg on Dec 18, 2011 7:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
*improbable
I really need Lasik.
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No, he has selective vision loss
It’s kind of like the selective deafness I have.
by Dawg from Canton on Dec 18, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me about it.
That should have been a redux of a connection that had been previously made dozens of times in Athens.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 18, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely feel better about Richt's future in Athens
Now the question is: how much longer until a new contract is ironed out?
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 18, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions
It takes as long as it takes.
Fortunately, Mark Richt has a January 2 bowl game about which to worry.
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For what it's worth, . . .
. . . a truly neutral observer (a Missouri fan using math) says Georgia is the No. 9 college football program of all time. Among SEC schools, only No. 1 Alabama and No. 7 Tennessee rank higher. LSU (No. 14), Penn State (No. 17), and Florida (No. 23) all trail the ’Dawgs.
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It's historical, and Georgia Tech had a very good run under Bobby Dodd, . . .
. . . as Duke did under Wallace Wade. As more time passes, those programs likely will continue to inch their way downward, whereas programs like Georgia (seven ten-win seasons, four SEC Championship Game appearances, three Sugar Bowls, and two SEC championships in the last decade) likely will do no worse than hold steady. What is Penn State likely to do?
Of course, you make a good point, fotodog, but I think the sizable gap between Georgia and Penn State serves to illustrate that, to the extent the Nittany Lions are perceived as the better program (which I by no means concede they are), the perception is simply erroneous.
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Who cares about Penn State, anyway?
They peaked a long time ago when JoPa finally got his NCs (1982,1986). They were NOT voted mythical NC 4 times with undefeated teams and bowl wins. They’re not looking like a contenduh in the foreseeable future. Maybe to clean up their image they should hire Tim Tebow as HC.
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by Dr. Morpheus on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those rankings are also only through the end of the 2010 season
A decade by decade ranking of the 2000s has us #8 [the highest non national championship winning team (second highest if you don’t want to count USC’s AP titles)]. Penn State is all the way down at #19, below even Tech’s #15 ranking.
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by The984 on Dec 19, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the passion
…from both my fellow hounds and from the Penn Staters.
The bottom line, of course, is that PSU couldn’t hire UGA’s coach if they wanted to. Again, I can’t wait to see the maelstrom from the PSU community when they find out how much the coach they think they deserve costs. For the $1 mil they’ve been paying, they aren’t getting the Mark Richt or Kirk Ferentz (rhabo outbreaks and all). Anyway, could PSU handle a scooter-scandal at this point? On top of everything else?
My 2 cents on br27: I think some of us are a little thin-skinned when it comes to our relative standing nationally to other top-tier programs. We aren’t Bama (thank God) or Ohio State; but we can hold our own. We’re yearly a factor in our division and league and on the cusp of the national conversation. All we have to do is wait until we’re undefeated THROUGH JAX. When we do that, we’ll be #1 in both polls. We’ll be sick of the attention. Until then, I think the national perspective is (rightfully) skeptical on Georgia.
I think we’re on par with Penn State. That is, until this year. PSU is entered uncharted territory in the Post-JoePa Era. One could probably convincingly argue that any national respect PSU earned in the past was trailing from JoePa’s national respect (which is shot at this point). PSU is, in effect, starting over on so many levels. They’ll be good (they always are!) but they aren’t a cut above or below UGA either way.
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by Gen. Stoopnagle on Dec 19, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Didn't have the cojones...
to write it earlier, but as someone who has lived outside Georgia and the South for a few years, I can vouch for the national perspective being skeptical on Georgia. Every college football fan over a certain age knows who Herschel is and is easily impressed that I got to watch him play live, they respect the UGA name, think Uga is cute, appreciate the talent contributions we’ve made to their favorite pro team, and so on, but do not see us as a power in the way they see Bama, UF or LSU. I think it’s about right to say they see us kinda how we see Wisconsin in the Big Whatever.
That said, my first experience away from the Peach State was when I was overseas 82-84. The other Americans there, at least the football savvy, spoke of the then Dawgs with admiration, appreciation, even a touch of awe and I’m not too proud to say I basked in the reflected glow. I can remember having to convince people that the Gators and Awbarn even mattered. All in all, it was a damn fine time to sport UGA colors! So our rep can and I believe will come back, and soon. Just not quite there yet!
As for Penn State, their fans are okay in my book, but I have nothing but contempt for the university’s leadership, and Joe Paterno will deserve more than an asterisk after his name. Personally, my opinion of him is altered forever, and not for the better.
by Chickasaw on Dec 19, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Penn State is inextricably linked to scandal...
…perhaps forever. Frankly, what they are dealing with is unlike NCAA sanctions — those come around every few years for all sorts of schools and are quickly forgotten. When so much of a school’s identity is linked to one man, and an incident impeaches that man’s credibility, the school’s identity is lost or at least tainted.
Which is why Mark Richt to Penn State makes a tremendous amount of sense if you are Penn State. If you’re starting over, why not start with a coach with a nice cache of good will/respect/honor, etc? Unfortunately, Richt is such a nice and honorable guy, I could almost see him wanting to take on a project like this — and make no mistake, it is a project, regardless of what Penn Staters have to say. I don’t see it happening though, because I think his family life, love of Georgia, and current immense talent will trump any altruistic desire to rebuild a dessimated program.
by WindyCityDawg on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But realistically, what would it cost Penn St to steal Richt
$5m per year? $10m per? Would money even matter to the man? Maybe they’d have to rebuild all of Honduras and Costa Rica, and throw in peace on earth and good will towards men as part of the offer, because I honestly don’t think simple dollars, even a much higher value than any coach in any sport receives would do the trick.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This was part of my argument with the aggies.
You may can throw more money at some coaches, but 4 million vs 5 million doesnt matter as much to the Richts. They like their home, their church, their schools. Their “community” in Athens can’t be bought and sold.
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Why would Richt even think about it
Would he want to associate his name with a University that has so much negativity swimming around it today. Not only the Sandusky stuff but now concussioned quarterbacks after locker room brawls, recruits reversing their decisions..who know where the bottom of this is for Penn State?
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I think you underestimate the draw of a challenge
…to people who have no real need for more money. And I think that Richt could be drawn to it because it is an opportunity to turn around all the negativity swimming around Penn State. Again, I don’t think it will happen, but some people value challenges over comfort.
I don’t know Richt personally. I feel like he is a man clearly motivated by his faith, but I’m not sure whether he is someone motivated by enormous challenges. Certainly winning a national championship game is a challenge, but it is a fundamentally different challenge than turning around the disaster that is Penn State.
In case it wasn’t clear: a) I want Richt to stay; b) I don’t think he is leaving. I don’t, however, see it as a completely ludicrous suggestion as some do.
by WindyCityDawg on Dec 19, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hey guys and gals...
I think most of the Richt rumors came from another rumor that Richt was going to get fired at the end of the season. Those rumors may have been true if your season ended the way it started. Considering the way y’alls season was ending, I think most sane PSU fans acknowledged a desire for Richt but have been fairly realistic about the odds of that happening. And, I think if you view some of the comments through the filter of assuming UGA had had enough of Richt, then the comments become a lot less outlandish.
Most of us were not comparing PSU to UGA and considering whether Richt would leave… the assumption was that Richt was going to have no choice but to leave.
Oh… and… be nice to my commodore’s too (went to grad school there). They actually played you tight this year.
well
The only rumors about CMR being fired were by rumor mongerers and no actual data. After UGA turned 0-2 into 3-2 it became clear to anyone deeply familar with the progam CMR would be the Coach at UGA baring some disaster. This was followed by the ridiculous EPSN hot seat narrative that would never die, even after beating Florida. The only people that latched on to even 1% of this talk were people not familiar with college football, UGA and Coach Richt.
What you are saying doesn’t correlate chronologically, the idea of CMR to PSU came after the mess with the staff there and after Coach Richt won 10 straight and sealed his tenure at UGA. So what you are posting about fired/hired rumors makes no sense at all. “View through a filter of assuming UGA had had enough of RIcht.” Again, that is the vast minority, so that filter of yours is a rather myopic one that takes the 5% that never liked Richt no matter what, versus the vast majority that want him at UGA.
And I don’t know why you demand to “be nice to my commodore’s”. As long as you have that jackwagon coach there, I have no warm fuzzies about Vandy. Playing “tight” still equals a loss and a 6-6 Vandy team.
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I think you're selling the threat a bit short
when AA members are being quoted questioning the direction of the program, the hot seat talk is real. When a program like Georgia is going in the wrong direction and has a losing season (that’s not a coaches first), the hot seat talk is real. And at 3-2, we’d beaten Coastal and the two Mississippi schools. I don’t think it was “clear” at that point. Beating UT helped a little, but he wasn’t “clear” until after Florida. A collapse down the stretch losing 4 of his last 5, which thankfully never was gonna happen, would have been a real issue probably costing him his job.
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Agreed.
At 0-1, after how unprepared the Bulldogs looked against Boise State, I thought he was done. By the time Georgia got back from Jacksonville, though, any reasonable person knew the hot seat had cooled completely, yet I was still getting “hot seat” questions in podcast and radio interviews right up to the SEC Championship Game.
Thanks for the reasonable tone of your comment, BNittsDeMilo; we wish the Nittany Lions well in their coaching search. As for Vanderbilt, though, the Commodores frequently give Georgia a good game, so that’s not really anything new. James Franklin, however, is a crybaby and a bully; in short, he’s Vandy’s Lane Kiffin, and I’ll be strongly inclined to root against the ‘Dores as long as he’s in Nashville.
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