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McGarity said Thursday that a new model would be used for 2013 and beyond. It’s not known what that model will be, but it will not be a nine-game schedule, Bloom said. The SEC has repeatedly asserted it is not adding another conference game since expanding to include Missouri and Texas A&M.

The 2012 SEC schedule is due to be released early next week, and it appears pretty certain that the league will stick with an eight-game schedule at least for the next few seasons.

For the short term, we appear to have dodged a bullet. For the long term, does this mean we're liable to be looking at an additional expansion, to 16 teams, within the next few years? Stay tuned. . . .

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A 9-game SEC schedule

is better than an 8-game one.

I get not going to the 9 game sched until current contracts expire, but we have to go to a 9 game schedule at some point.

And it’s better because playing an additional rotating west team is better than playing Buffalo.

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by Gen. Stoopnagle on Dec 16, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

They may plan to do that at some point, after current contracts expire, . . .

. . . but I don’t think we’ll ever get to that point. Within the next four or five years, we’re going to 16 teams, at which point a nine-game conference schedule makes no sense and an eight-game conference schedule makes perfect sense. Why change if change costs money in liquidated damages and you’re only going to have to change back in a few years, anyway?

I understand why a fan would rather see Georgia play Alabama than Buffalo, but an extra conference game puts us at a competitive disadvantage (because of the Georgia Tech game), and giving up a home game puts us at a financial disadvantage, as well. Like it or not, patsies are good for the program.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Aren't we already at a competitive disadvantage because of GA Tech?

At least compared to most of the conference. Adding another game that everyone has to play lifts all boats.

Like you said though, its irrelevant. We can’t cancel these contract games because of money and hopefully a 16 team end-point is coming sooner rather than later.

by mbrd71 on Dec 16, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

We’re always gonna be at a disadvantage, whether we have 9 conference games or 4. I’m not one of those few that want to end the series, but if we’re going to use it as a crutch to be thankful we don’t have to play Alabama, kill it. Sorry if that’s harsh. By all means, leave it on the schedule, but if the totally hypothetical debate comes up about which I’d rather have, it would be playing sec west teams regularly. But we can do both.

by Mark Mandingo on Dec 16, 2011 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Do you mean a disadvantage because of an in-state, out of conference rivalry game?

Then South Carolina, Florida and Kentucky are equally disadvantaged.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 16, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right, tryptic67, which is precisely the point I made a few days ago.

Currently, the balance of power is tilted toward the West, for a variety of reasons, including oversigning. Because no Western Division team has an out-of-conference rival, and two-thirds of the Eastern Division teams do, a nine-game conference schedule tilts the balance of power even farther in the West’s favor. As a fan of an Eastern Division team, I oppose that.

Obviously, mbrd71 and Mark Mandingo, we’re at a disadvantage already, but, to me, that’s an argument for trying to minimize the disadvantage, rather than an argument for being indifferent toward efforts to maximize it.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

right

But if minimizing the disadvantage means we play Bama and LSU twice a decade, then I’ll take the disadvantage. I agree with you, that all of this is probably moot. We’re going to go to 16. But if we don’t, and we don’t play 9 games, it would be two conferences, and I don’t want that.

by Mark Mandingo on Dec 16, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I think the logical thing to do is to stay at eight until current contracts have run their courses and plan to go to nine effective as of, say, 2016. If we’re up to 16 teams by then, it’s a moot point, but, if we aren’t, we have a plan in place. Although it wasn’t as well-planned, that’s essentially what we did in 1992 by starting with one rotating opponent and switching to two four or five years later.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, it seems so far out, but I think 2016 is the key year.

In the mean time, we have to let things play out. My judgement of scheduling will be much more keen and perhaps harsh in 4 years.

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by tankertoad on Dec 16, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

That’s why he said “most”.

by Mark Mandingo on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks Kyle.

I would love, as a fan, to have big home games. But it isnt worth it to schedule big OOC or West home games. Money be damned “patsies are good for the program” is the truth when it comes to rings.

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by tankertoad on Dec 16, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

A disadvantage...

only if you don’t put Tech among the patsies. And their record against us over the last 20 years makes quite an argument for their inclusion in such a group.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 16, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

They're not patsies.

Look at how many close games we’ve played with them during that span. Until and unless the Yellow Jackets reach the point where we can be comfortable knowing we’ll win convincingly even if we play a bad game, Georgia Tech isn’t a patsy.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

But that record, 1 legit win in 20 years...

and yes, I’m troll baiting Techies by calling them a patsy.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 16, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you're also troll baiting Florida fans in the process.

We don’t want to go there. :)

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by T Kyle King on Dec 17, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

My point is that, in both series, . . .

. . . the won-lost records are somewhat deceptive. Both series have been closer on the field, year in and year out, than one team’s dominance on the scoreboard suggests.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't consider Tech a patsy

and TKK has sold me to his idea that playing them last is bad. If we need a “big opener” I wish it was Tech. Closing with them is the same as opening with BSU. Lose/Lose.

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by tankertoad on Dec 16, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But they are experts in Nameology.

Leaders and Legends. Yup, I’ll keep making fun of it until they change it.

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by skandrewj62j on Dec 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see the SEC going to 16 teams

Mostly for lack of good options that want to join. Texas and Oklahoma aren’t coming, which means Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU aren’t either. Neither are any ACC or Big Ten schools. Which means you’re looking at second-tier Big 12 schools (WVU and the Kansas schools, pretty much), the zombie Big East (where the even semi-interesting schools either overlap with existing markets in Louisville or aren’t even close to being ‘southeast’ in UConn and Rutgers; USF, UCF, SMU, and Houston are in-region but why would the SEC be interested?), and non-AQs that couldn’t convince the zombie Big East to take them.

Really, the only major FBS conference I see going to 16 any time soon is the ACC, which does have good options, as UConn and Rutgers make geographic and academic sense (and decent marketing sense, despite what BC’s AD thinks) in the new ACC and Notre Dame seems to regard the ACC as the best choice if it has to sully itself by joining a football conference.

And other than that, well, the Big 12 may expand to get back 12. But the Pac 12 isn’t expanding without Texas (and they’re clearly not interested, having left the Pac at the altar three times now), and the Big Ten isn’t expanding without Notre Dame (again, clearly not interested).

by drothgery on Dec 16, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Oklahoma certainly would come . . .

. . . if the SEC was willing to take Oklahoma State.

As for Notre Dame joining a football conference, what does that have to do with the ACC? No league that expanded by adding Pitt and Syracuse can characterize itself as anything other than a basketball-first league.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Here I'm meaning 'play football in a conference'

not ‘play in conference that is good at football’. Since I’d like my Orange to win more football games and there’s a distinct lack of football talent in New York State, I’d prefer that the ACC not get too good at football. :)

by drothgery on Dec 16, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

Thanks for the clarification, drothgery.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 17, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

at 16 teams it makes no sense?

I suppose at that point you are in favor of 7 division opponents and 1 West perament? Are you just trying to get out of playing Bama for the foreseeable future, save for in the SEC Championsip Game? That’s not a serious question, BTW.

At, 15 teams we could have three 5-team divisions, 4 division opponents, and then a permanent and a rotating from each other division for 8 games. But, do we really want to have to establish the tiebreakers and scenarios for a Wild Card team to qualify for the SECCG? And then you’d technically end up with 9 conference games before the SECCG.

I still kinda like four 4-team divisions when we make it to 16 teams. 3 division opponents, 1 permanent from each division and one rotating. In effect you would get 6 permanent opponents just like now. All your doing is adding a 3rd rotating opponent. Win your division, qualify for the SEC Semi’s. Pretty straightforward. You would also see the other teams more often in this format. So teams that you have a history with, like Ole Miss you would still get to see. Or you might even shuffle things so that UGA ends up with Ole Miss as a permanent.

It is impossible to draw up with out teams 15 and 16 but I think this is the most appealing idea. What makes the SEC so great to me, is that it’s like a big family. We don’t always get to see each other every year, but man is it a joy when we get to meet up again.

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by skandrewj62j on Dec 16, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you're asking rhetorical questions, but, just to be clear:

I think, at 16 teams, we go to pods, with fewer but more important fixed rivalries and more rotating opponents.

The bottom line is that 12 and 16 are logical numbers. 14 is just weird, unless you see it on a scoreboard.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

true enough, but

11 was even more weird and the Big Ten stuck with that for 17 years.

by drothgery on Dec 16, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they stink at math

hence how they figure 10 = 11, and now 10 = 12.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 16, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Big Ten should actually be called the Big One Zero

And when they had 11 teams, it made sense because they were operating on a base-11 system. Then, when they added Nebraska, they switched to duodecimal. Their numbering makes sense if all we do is say they’re counting in a different base than the rest of us.

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by The984 on Dec 16, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And the same goes for the Big 12

They’re operating in base-8. They really should be called the Big One Two.

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by The984 on Dec 16, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I can play this game.

Can we mandate that all numerically-named conferences be forced to use binary, in honor of the computers that help decide the BCS?

It would be fun to watch the Big 1100 Championship game and wonder who they will play against from the Pac 1100 in the 1100010th Rose Bowl.

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by vineyarddawg on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not drag the Pac-12 into this.

They’ve consistently upped the integer when adding teams.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 17, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Though 'Pac' has been something of misnomer since they added the Arizona schools

I think only CUSA can completely get away with saying its name is accurate at this point, unless the University of Toronto to announces they’re joining CUSA next month. Though the ACC’s probably the best of the AQ conferences there; at least everyone is in a state that does touch the Atlantic (until Notre Dame joins) even if some of us are a few hundred miles inland.

by drothgery on Dec 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

How do you project an 8 game, 16 team conference with pods?

Most discussions of the pod format have 3 intra-poddual games, 3 permanent inter-poddual games (one permanent with each other pod), and then 3 rotating inter-poddual games with one from each pod. The intra-poddual won’t be given up, so which of the inter-poddual games do you see being given up: one of the permanent or one of the rotating?

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by The984 on Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I was told there would be no math.

I would think three permanent within the pod, two permanent from without the pod (just like the SEC had when divisional play began), and three rotating from without the pod (so we move through the rest of the league faster).

Frankly, as long as the conference schedule is set up in such a way that we play Florida and Auburn every year, and we aren’t put at a disadvantage by playing Georgia Tech annually and Clemson regularly, I don’t really care how frequently or infrequently we play everyone else, South Carolina and Tennessee included.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 17, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

This whole thing sucks

Great, more crappy patsy home games and now we’re gonna travel to SEC gems like Oxford…..what ?…. once a decade ? The 12 team setup was so perfect but we had to go and F*%^ up the best thing going in college sports. This is the one area where I believe Slive has fumbled the ball. Again, I reiterate my point, the purported increase in opportunity to claim rings isn’t “everything” to true fans, especially alumni. And those are the heartbeat of your program.

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by esquiredawg on Dec 16, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

I agree.

Mike Slive got outfoxed on this one, and the 14-game league is going to be weird and a little unwieldy. That’s part of why I’m convinced 14 is a way station along the path to 16, which is why I believe the league is going to great lengths to make the 14-team conference produce as few dislocations as possible; they know it’s not going to be this way for long, so they’re changing as little as they can.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 16, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Pac 12 holding pat at a dozen

and the Big XII not making a move to even get back to twelve and a play-off (when there were Texas/Western teams who would gladly have made the jump, from Houston, to Rice, to Colo. State, to Boise State just to name a few) suggests that the super-conference era may be over.

Ultimately I don’t see how we maintain a 14 team SEC without a 6-2-1 format and keep any semblance of tradition, rivalry, etc. And I say that with respect to what Georgia gave just to make the 1990 expansion work with Arkansas and South Carolina being amalgamated into the conference (e.g., your much-beloved annual game with Ole Miss).

Anything that further separates the two divisions is not healthy for the league – and that has nothing to do with the current “balance of power” – which may shift in the next 5-10 years. Who knows?

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by tryptic67 on Dec 16, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the super-conference era over before it began,

I should clarify

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by tryptic67 on Dec 16, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to sound too much like Kyle, but "I agree"

If I get around to my rant, this is part of it. We had a damn good thing in the SEC, and NO ONE cares about MIzzou, and ATM may “fit” to some degree, but the revenue they add isn’t worth the pain the expansion is causing. Sanford Stadium deserves 3 to 5 major home games every year.

I don’t know what the SEC and Slive are thinking. How rich is rich enough? We win an NC every year. We NOW have SEC vs SEC in the NC. Why F that up? Kick UK out of football and add ATM if you must. But the 12 team format worked. Some will say conferences change frequently, and that is true. But when you tweak something good, it only turns toward bad.

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by tankertoad on Dec 16, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

16 teams are coming

I simply cannot believe that a move was made to 14 teams without the long term plan being to eventually cut it off at 16 with 4 divisions of 4 teams. Furthermore I believe that there will be a conference playoff game especially if the BCS is moved to a Plus 1 national championship and could take two SEC schools on a more regular basis. Look for the top team in each of the 4 divisions to be seeded at the end of the regular season. 1 play 4, 2 play 3, the winner play in the SEC CG.

This bypasses forcing every SEC school to have to play 9 games. Only 4 teams would have to play 9 SEC games, and only 2 teams would have to play 10 games, which means only 2 more teams would have to play 9 games a season as it sits now, and only 2 more teams would have to play an additional game beyond that.

by Dawginole on Dec 17, 2011 1:35 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well said.

I should’ve read your comment before replying to The984, above.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 17, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't help but wonder if the postseason is what Super-conference expansion is largely about

If a plus-one is put in place as a 4-team playoff, then that opens the opportunity for the major conferences to effectively control the quarter-final and preceeding rounds of the postseason by holding their own conference tournaments. Even without AQ births expanded versions of the SEC, ACC, Big10, and Pac12 (still assuming the Big12 collapses) would have their champions virtually assured of a spot in most years.

by Alkaline5 on Dec 17, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with that theory

Is that no major conference other than the ACC really has a clear path to 16, in that there are enough schools that fit the academic, athletic, and geographic character of the conference, would be interested, and don’t overlap existing markets to get there.

by drothgery on Dec 17, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that I think it will necessarily happen, but

-Let’s assume you need a full 16 teams to stage an in-conference semi-final round before a CCG (though 15 would work IMO, 16 makes this more interesting to split up).
-Let’s also assume that conferences only expand into states that are continuous with their footprint but are not in already.
- The ACC can take UConn and either Notre Dame or Rutgers from the Big East to reach 16
- The SEC can take 2 teams from the Big 12 that fit the footprint: either WVU and a Texas team or the Oklahoma twins.
- The PAC will take 4 of whichever Texas/Oklahoma schools are still available from the Big 12. (Colorado just barely borders Oklahoma)
- With 6 teams already gone the remaining 4 B12 schools in Kansas, Iowa, and maybe WVU petition the B10 for entry as a group. Not wanting to be left out in the new era, the B10 takes them.

by Alkaline5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

oops

That was supposed to be a reply to drothgery.

by Alkaline5 on Dec 17, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I think all of your suggestions other than for the ACC

aren’t very likely. Mostly, I don’t think the Big 12 is going to collapse, because I think Texas has made it pretty clear they want it to exist, and that guarantees them any FBS school in Texas or Oklahoma that they want (except Texas A&M).

by drothgery on Dec 17, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Texas wants the Big 12 to exist as long as the Big 12's existence serves Texas's purposes.

Currently, the Big 12 does. If the Longhorn Network succeeds as expected, the league won’t remain in Texas’s interests for long. The Big 12 survives as a useful way station, not as a stable conference; the best that may be said for it is that it’s less rickety than the Big East.

Beyond that, I’m still not convinced the ACC’s move to 14 was anything other than advance preparation for future poachings, and, if an expanded postseason is part of the 16-team package (and I agree that it is), new markets won’t matter much in expansion. Once the SEC Network is up and running (which, clearly, is the next step in the process; Missouri’s addition makes no sense unless the league plans to set up a Big Ten-style conference network), a 16-team league with an expanded postseason gives the conference greater inventory, at which point the addition of markets won’t matter as much as the addition of games. (At that point, and for that reason, a nine-team conference schedule also might make sense, as well.) At that point, yeah, I think it’s about snagging a couple of ACC teams, and I think the money will be on the table to entice a couple of them away, $20 million buyout notwithstanding.

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