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SEC Expansion, Conference Rivalries, and Matthew 7:3-5

It had been my plan this evening to respond to Senator Blutarsky’s thoughtful reply to my posting last night, but I have changed my mind, for two reasons. First of all, my answer essentially has been hashed out in the comments to my previous posting; viz., I believe it makes more sense to keep an eight-game SEC schedule until current out-of-conference contracts have been fulfilled and plan to implement a nine-game conference schedule four or five years hence, because that would save the league’s member institutions from having to pay liquidated damages for breaching their contracts, and because I believe the conference will expand to 16 teams within the next four or five years, anyway, so it makes no sense to implement immediately a change that might prove short-lived and cause more problems later.

The second reason I am writing a different posting from the one I originally had intended to author, though, is that I felt compelled to offer a retort to this posting appearing at Garnet and Black Attack, in which an SB Nation colleague writes:

Star-divide

As some of you are probably aware, there's a persistent myth among Dawgs fans that the only reason we ever beat Georgia--indeed, the only reason the game is ever anything other than a four-TD UGA win--is because the game happens early in the year. I've had to sit through more than one absurd conversation, disbelief in my eyes, as an UGA fan tried to convince me that UGA would enjoy a series record against the Gamecocks that would be more like Florida or Tennessee's if only UGA could get us on their November slate. Nevermind the fact that UGA has been Florida's whipping boy nearly as much as we have over the past 20 years, with the case similar with Tennessee until the Vols' recent decline. I've never quite understood why UGA expects to dominate us just as much as a team that has utterly dominated them has, but there it is. The truth behind our historically poor November performance, IMO, isn't that we don't have the depth to play hard into November; it's that our November schedule is backloaded with traditional powers. If the depth argument was ever true, moreover, it's probably not anymore, as Carolina has upgraded its recruiting over the past few years, hence the demise of the infamous "Orange Crush."

I must confess that the above passage left me more than a little confused. For one thing, I have been a fan of the Georgia Bulldogs throughout my 43 years, and I have never heard a Georgia fan say that the only reason the South Carolina Gamecocks “ever beat Georgia--indeed, the only reason the game is ever anything other than a four-TD UGA win--is because the game happens early in the year.” I have heard it said---indeed, I personally have argued---that, because the SEC East series between Georgia and South Carolina historically has been so close (eight of the last eleven meetings have been decided by margins of seven or fewer points), minor factors may have large impacts.

Home field advantage, for instance, appears to have some significance, as Georgia has scored 31 or more points in five of the last nine series meetings in Athens, while the Bulldogs have been held to 20 or fewer points on eight straight trips to Columbia. Likewise, South Carolina arguably derives some benefit from frequently opening the season on a Thursday, giving the Gamecocks two additional days within which to prepare for the Bulldogs. By the same token, it is not unreasonable to suppose that South Carolina benefits from playing the game earlier in the year, given the frequency with which the Gamecocks have followed up strong starts with late-autumn slumps.

In 1993, South Carolina started out 4-4, but finished 0-3; in 1994, 4-1 was followed by 3-4; in 1995, 4-3-1 became 0-3; in 1996, 5-3 disintegrated into 1-2; in 1997, 5-3 descended into 0-3; in 1998, a 1-0 beginning turned into an 0-10 run; in 2000, the Gamecocks leapt out to 7-1 before going 1-3 down the stretch; in 2001, 5-0 was replaced by 4-3; in 2002, it was 5-2 that collapsed into 0-5; in 2003, starting out 5-3 did not prevent wrapping up 0-4; in 2004, 4-1 gave way to 2-4; in 2006, it was 5-2 that was transformed into 3-3; 2007 saw South Carolina commence the campaign with a 6-1 run before falling to 0-5; 2008 brought more of the same, as 5-2 wound up being 2-4; in 2009, 6-2 served as prelude to 1-4; and, even in 2010, a 6-2 beginning slid into a 3-3 ending.

Admittedly, there have been exceptions. South Carolina started out 0-5 in 1992, but closed the campaign on a 5-1 run; the Gamecocks were a perfect 0-11 in 1999; 2005 saw a 2-3 opening stretch replaced by a 5-2 skein; and, of course, the Garnet and Black went 5-1 in the first half of 2011 and 5-1 in the second half. However, since South Carolina joined the SEC, November swoons have been the norm, if something that happens 16 times in 20 chances may be deemed “usual.”

I am not at all sure what Georgia’s records against the Florida Gators and the Tennessee Volunteers (the “traditional powers” who have been to the SEC Championship Game fewer times than the Red and Black in the last ten years) have to do with anything, since the transitive property has no application to college football. It is true that, over the last 20 years, the Bulldogs have fared considerably better against the Gamecocks than against either the Gators or the Volunteers, yet it is also true that, in the last two seasons, the Red and Black have gone 0-2 against South Carolina while going 3-1 against Florida and Tennessee, with the lone loss coming in overtime. The connection of one to the other is unclear to me; however, the tendency of a team to play its best football in September, and its worst football in November, over an extended period, would seem quite relevant to the question whether one would rather play that team in September or November.

My SB Nation coeval continues (with emphasis added, by me):

Despite the presence of cold, hard facts that appear to suggest it will be a futile effort, it appears that UGA supporters are in Greg McGarity's ear, urging him to strike while the iron is hot and to have the USC game moved to mid-season or later. I'll have to admit that I'm really annoyed about this while thing. Part of it is that it just really irks me that this fanbase has such a deep-set inability to admit when it gets beat by a better team. But part of it is about tradition. Opening the SEC slate with this game is one of Carolina's most cherished football traditions. It's something we look forward to every year, and the game gets a fair amount of media attention as one of the more significant early-season SEC matchups. Losing that over a fanbase's petty, irrational denial complex would be a crying shame.

Granted, it's fair to say that Georgia has a lot less to lose here than we do. Georgia has many SEC rivals, whereas we're still in the process of trying to carve out our identity in the conference. You won't see me argue that point. The game simply means more to us. Still, I don't see why we should have to give the tradition up, given the situation. As one of the four schools intent on keeping a permanent intradivisional rival, UGA is already forcing concessions from the rest of the conference, most of the members of which would prefer to do away with the scheduling imbalances created by UGA, Auburn, 'Bama, and Tennessee's rivalries. The least the conference could do is let the rest of us keep a few of the things we want.

Though I will leave aside the question of the pettiness, irrationality, and denial, vel non, of people like me, I will begin by stating what I believe I have stated consistently: Georgia was beaten by better South Carolina teams in each of the last two seasons, a fact for which I have criticized Mark Richt, and which I readily admitted when I wrote that “the Palmetto State Poultry simply are a better team than the Classic City Canines right now, and they proved it on the field of play.” I defended the legitimacy of the Gamecocks’ 2010 SEC East championship and argued that the Garnet and Black remained the division frontrunners this year.

More galling than those scurrilous animadversions, though, is the cognitive dissonance of simultaneously insisting upon preserving “one of Carolina's most cherished football traditions” and lambasting Georgia for being “intent on keeping a permanent intradivisional rival.” Well, if “part of it is about tradition,” might we be so bold as to suggest that the Gamecocks’ cherished tradition, which dates back to 1992, might not be any more sacrosanct than the Bulldogs’ rivalry with the Auburn Tigers, which dates back to 1892?

In fact, when South Carolina initially joined the league, the Gamecocks were the opening opponent on Georgia’s slate for the first four years, then the Garnet and Black were moved to the second game of the season starting in 1996, a season that saw several other changes in the conference schedule. (Most notably, Jim Donnan’s first season in the Classic City was the first fall since 1958 in which the Bulldogs did not end the season by playing Florida, Auburn, and Georgia Tech in succession.) There the game has stayed for most of the seasons since, though not without exception; in 2003 and in 2008, for instance, South Carolina was the third opponent the Athenians faced.

Besides, Georgia and South Carolina played one another regularly long before the Gamecocks joined the SEC. Though the two teams often met early in the autumn, frequently in the season’s third or fourth game, they also had a history of meeting on such dates as October 30 (1971), October 31 (1970), November 1 (1980), and November 18 (1939). For the record, the ‘Dawgs were 4-0 against the ‘Cocks in those four late-season outings, by a combined margin of 122-51, for an average differential of 18 points per game. I’m just sayin’.

Meanwhile, the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry got underway in 1892 with the first college football game played south of Raleigh, N.C. Georgia and Auburn did not meet in 1893, but, since the resumption of the series in 1894, the gridiron rivalry has been interrupted three times: in 1897, following the death of Red and Black player Von Gammon from injuries suffered in a game; in 1917 and 1918, during World War I; and in 1943, during World War II. It cannot seriously be suggested that this tradition---quite literally, the oldest in the Southeastern Conference---should be sacrificed while we labor to preserve a “tradition” that has held sway for 14 of the last 20 years, which no one outside of Columbia, S.C., ever noticed was a tradition in the first place.

Given that startling separation from reality, it scarcely seems worth mentioning that, despite appearances “that UGA supporters are in Greg McGarity's ear,” McGarity was asked whether he would like to move the South Carolina game, and he replied: “I don’t think it matters. I think you gotta play them all and what order they’re played in, it really doesn’t matter. You might as well play them. We just know we’ve gotta play them and whenever that date is, line them up and go.” It is not the first time our conference coevals from Columbia have made presumptions concerning Greg McGarity which were not supported by the facts.

What makes these wildly inconsistent positions and these outrageously hyperbolic broadsides so offensive is the fact that, when South Carolina fans criticize Georgia fans for appearing indifferent to the Gamecocks’ concerns, Bulldog fans respond by being reasonable and conciliatory. When the shoe is on the other foot, though, at least some among the Garnet and Black faithful are prepared to take the preposterous position that the order to which they have become accustomed in the last two decades is more important than that we have been endeavored to preserve for the last dozen decades.

I have no idea what red-and-black-clad bogeymen did to these hypersensitive souls when they were impressionable youngsters, but, in case they haven’t noticed---and, judging by their unneighborly behavior, they haven’t---those of us who routinely have been falsely accused of such disdain have gone out of our way lately to be accommodating. If you don’t believe me, visit the archives and take a look at my BlogPoll ballots and SEC Power Poll ballots this season, or search for the term “Palmetto State Poultry,” which I have used less frequently since learning (to my surprise) that some South Carolina fans (inexplicably) find insulting an innocent nickname analogous to such similar shorthand designations as “Bluegrass State Bobcats,” “Classic City Canines,” “Fort Hill Felines,” “Magnolia State Mongrels,” “Music City Mariners,” and “Sunshine State Saurians,” which no other fans appear to find objectionable.

There is just no satisfying folks who evidently are determined to see slights where none are intended and obviously are unconcerned with the tone they take with their perceived antagonists, who, honestly, have been minding our own business and causing them no trouble whatever. I would respectfully suggest that pettiness, irrationality, and denial may be character traits which are not exclusive to those of us whose loyalties draw us to Sanford Stadium, but, rather, may be shared by some who call other Southeastern Conference venues home.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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You used too many big words and analogies.

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by tankertoad on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed too concillatory

idiots deserve to be treated as such.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Boom goes the dynamite

Mobile rec’d.

South Carolina irks me. Can we trade them for Clemson?

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I'd love that

If only to take away their right to pull the SEC card.

by PenthouseTiger on Dec 13, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Referring to something which began...

in 1992 as “a cherished tradition” tells any dispassionate observer all he would ever need to know about South Carolina football.

Along with the fact that Cock Boy doth protest too much about this nonissue. Of course if my alternative was to cover Darron Horn’s basketball team I’d be desperate for something else to talk about, too.

Now on Twitter at @MaconDawg. Same great snark, fewer characters!

by MaconDawg on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Replace the 1992 with 1990, and you have Florida

Only with quite a few more titles and 10+ win season in that time.

The 984 Has Spoken!

by The984 on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

boom

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When South Carolina can get the overall record

closer than 43-16-2 (13-7 since we opened the doors to strangers in the conference) I will worry about the Gamecocks. They have built a decent team over the past few years, but it will soon go back to normal. So the gamecocks are on a 2 win streak, which by the way is the longest winning streak they have EVER enjoyed against the Bulldogs (they have managed that feat 5 times); the Bulldogs have enjoyed streaks of 10 games, 9 games, 5 games (twice) and 3 and 4 a few times in the history of this match-up. The gamecocks are starting to sound almost as bad as the gnats…They win one or two games and all of a sudden they own you. Next time I see a gamecock I will ask him who won the games from 2002-2006 (inclusive) and when they were played.

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

by Dawg2011 on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

What's really sad is...

Garnet and Black Attack is probably the most level headed of the Sakerlina blogs.

Nice to know that “Gamecock Nation’s” hatred and irrationality doesn’t extend only to us.

by PenthouseTiger on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

I respect that we're South Carolina's biggest SEC rival.

What is important to one fanbase need not be important to another. Obviously, South Carolina is, at best, our third biggest (fourth biggest overall; I personally think of SCAR as our fourth biggest annual rivalry) SEC game. If we were ever to do away with divisions and move to some kind of “four protected rivalries, four or however many rotating games” schedule, I would fully support, and argue for, South Carolina/Georgia being a protected rivalry solely due to its importance to the Gamecock faithful. We’re a big game for them. I accept this and respect this.

However, we do not need to play on the second weekend of the year. This game is known for being a rather ugly game, filled with bad play and downright weird scores (41-37, 16-12, 18-0, and 17-15 to name four of the past seven games). Those aren’t traditional football scores. Play would be improved, I think, if the game were moved back even just one week. As it stands now, we both tend to open with an easier game (Georgia being the team that sometimes breaks that mold, SCAR not), play the Georgia/South Carolina rivalry, then play another OOC cupcake game. We each have two tune up games with a real game in between. To most major programs, that’s cutting against the grain.

The Third Saturday in October is rarely played on the Third Saturday any more. The same goes for the Third Saturday in September. However, despite those rivalries no longer being tied to those exact weekends, they have not lost their luster. Unlike some calling for South Carolina being moved to November to make better use of their usual decline, I want it to remain early in the schedule. I want us to open SEC play with the Gamecocks. It’s an important tradition to them, even if we laugh at it being only 21 years old (and then with some deviations), but it would also feel weird to me if we didn’t. I just want the game pushed back one weekend so as to improve both teams’ level of play.

The 984 Has Spoken!

by The984 on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good article, T Kyle King

This, to me, is yet another example of the class shown at Dawgsports. Just how many other of the sbnation pages of other teams continue to write the kind of garbage shown above astonishes me. I honestly find it a joy to read articles here daily that are composed with intelligence, information, humor, and most importantly class. I do not recall a single article on dawgsports in which a writer has gone on a long rant about opposing fan bases while making up so much stuff that it completely distorts any accurate representation of that fan base. For this I thank you and the rest of the writers here. Sometimes it takes seeing the classless to appreciate those with class.

by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 13, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

In all fairness

I engage in that sort of rant regularly. The difference is that I’m intentionally utilizing extreme hyperbole and doing it satirically.

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by RedCrake on Dec 14, 2011 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Depends...

do you use facts to support your claims, or do you simply make up generalities only to whine about them?

by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 14, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I am simply going to go off on how I hate every team in the SEC. )

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by tankertoad on Dec 14, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That sounds most interesting.

I don’t have a problem with it. And on top of that, I do see a distinction between writing about how you hate every team in the SEC and choosing to attack a specific issue using made up information about a rival fan base.

And I look forward to your rant. Can’t wait.

by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 14, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I presume you're going to go ahead and include A&M and Mizzou?

I figure its best to go ahead and include them in the festivities. They need to go ahead and get used to it :-)

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by RedCrake on Dec 14, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, Swarles_Barkley.

Much obliged.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

FYI the Sith Lord of the SEC

was just awarded 2 more years ruling the roost in Columbia

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

by Dawg2011 on Dec 14, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

I heard

It doesn’t surprise me at all. He’s done real well recently despite the quarterback misgivings.

by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 14, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Yay!

Two more years of shirtless, Coors-fueled booze cruises!

Editor, Dawgsports.com
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by RedCrake on Dec 14, 2011 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Given the losses of Stephen Garcia and Marcus Lattimore, Steve Spurrier really did a fine coaching job this year. You have to give the man credit.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what you're talking about.

You can clearly tell them apart – on the left, you can barely see a Sahkurlina logo on a football player. Logic dictates this is Spurrier, thus the gentleman on the right must be the sith lord. I think.

by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 14, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Methinks Mark Richt is Skywalker in this metaphor

I like where this is going.

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by RedCrake on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hell, Kyle already said I was darth vader.

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by tankertoad on Dec 14, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

But there is still good inside you

unlike the Evil Sith Lord Darth Visor

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

by Dawg2011 on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

OK WE HAVE TO STOP

I just realized this is starting to sound like a gnat thread….STOP THE MADDNESS

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

by Dawg2011 on Dec 14, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

We're joking

They’re serious.

Totally different :-)

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by RedCrake on Dec 14, 2011 12:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

and a Rec

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

by Dawg2011 on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicely done, The984.

That’s the comment of the day, right there!

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

TOTALLY off topic

but I am still trying to figure out why Arkansas State would want Gus and Kristi Malzahn over Mike and Lainie Bobo? I mean Akjy St is getting Gus and Kristi where they could have only had to deal with Mike. Is there no justice in this world?

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs

by Dawg2011 on Dec 14, 2011 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

Arky State?

Jeez… Talk about your stock dropping. Guess we’ll find out if ol Gene really is as good as the Tiglesmen think.

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by RedCrake on Dec 14, 2011 1:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's home, but for the man who...

reportedly turned down $3m from Vandy a year ago, it is interesting.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2011 6:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The WWL reported it as Arizona State at first

I guess they didn’t even realize Arky State was a real school.

The 984 Has Spoken!

by The984 on Dec 14, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should take a shot at J. Williams and Ricky Parks

Make a push to raid some of the WR/TE recruits from Georgia that are committed to Auburn.

by fotodog on Dec 14, 2011 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Do we have confirmation of that? (I just got to my computer this morning.)

Wow. Kristi Malzahn’s televised rant must’ve cost Gus some real coin.

And Gus was like, “Shut up!”

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe she scared the Aubies in to thinking she'd say something problematic

like Eric Ramsey, and they couldn’t contractually gag her like they did Terry Bowden.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't had time to review the comments, . . .

. . . but I caught a couple of errors, for which I apologize. These are they:

I wrote “we have been endeavored,” which should have been either “we have endeavored” or “we have been endeavoring.” You make the call.

Also, the 1892 Georgia-Auburn game actually wasn’t the first game played in the Deep South; the 1892 Georgia-Mercer game was. My bad, twice.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

One other point that occurred to me:

Georgia and South Carolina have played one another in the second game of the season for 14 of the last 20 years, and that’s a sacred tradition.

South Carolina has faded down the stretch in 16 of the last 20 years, and that’s irrelevant.

At least among some segments of the Gamecock faithful, South Carolina appears to be Georgia Tech without the math.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

My Auburn friends always liken the South Carolina fans to the Bama fans, not in a good way.

I don’t know much about Bama fans, but have been listening to Finebaum since I got XM. Both school’s fans share that egocentric view that the world revolves around them. It is typical that they assume we give them the same level of consideration as a rival that they give us. And there also seems to be a common affinity for jorts and mullets, not unlike our friends to the south. ( I had been fooled in this respect by the Bama TV camera preference for pretty blondes wearing houndstooth.)

In fairness to the Gamecocks however, I started at Georgia in 1979. I don’t remember a year since that we haven’t played the Gamecocks. Because I am a South Carolinian, I probably have cared about that game more than most Georgia fans. I loved the border skirmishes with the Gamecocks and Clemson when I was in school and hate the rivalry with Clemson is diminished. The rivalry with Carolina goes back further than 1992.

When UF and UT were the leaders in the east they squared off the same weekend in September. It’s not a new concept. I love that the UGA/USC game has eclipsed that game as the premier September matchup.

by hbtd on Dec 14, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, I think it was 1990 and '91.

When the SEC schedule went from six to seven games, Georgia began playing Clemson and South Carolina (who then were both non-conference rivals, like Georgia Tech) in alternating two-year home-and-home blocks, with the Gamecocks up first in 1988 and ’89, and the Tigers up next in 1990 and ’91.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember, when I started at Carolina in ‘75, we played Georgia very ealry in that season. We did so each of my four years, and frustrating years they were indeed in respect to Ga. To get beat year after year, on weird plays (fumbles inside the 5, passes intercepted on sacks in the endzone, fumbles by backs that never fumbled….) has made this game important to Gamecocks. many of these games have been close and usually seem to go to the canines. This frustrates us. You don’t seem to get that we simply want to be competitive and feel that Ga. is trying to push us back into a part of our schedule that they wouldn’t even want to play against if they had to. We simply want a fair chance and playing Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida and Clemson on four consecutive weekends wouldn’t appeal to most coaches ( i venture to say yours included). I am not opposed to moving the game (and I don’t think most SC fans are). But we should be allowed to ask for some re-balancing to accomodate this. A week or two later is fine with me, or late in the year but moving Florida and Arkansas to earlier would be fine. But please also remember that there are now 13 other schedules to be reworked and we might not get everything we want. we have to play each other and there should be no excuses from either camp, after playing four quarters. I have called the pups lucky many times, but have never said they didn’t win any game.Sometimes my ‘cocks didn’t win games they might should have, but always the ’dogs have won when they scored more points. After all, that is the object….score more points after having played the time alloted.

by cocky75 on Dec 16, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

South Carolina appears to be Georgia Tech without the math.

Makes perfect sense to me. They both have some sort of inferiority complex, they both make ridiculous statements/claims after winning a game or two against us, and both love “Zombie Nation.”

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 14, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Tech and Clemson love Zombie Nation.

USC loves Sandstorm. Must be from all those Sandstorm vs Zombie Nation remixes that were all the rage.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Dec 14, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Kyle, I'm really getting tired of your indisputable and flawless logic. One of these days I might even stop reading things that make so much sense.

They really affect my fragile psyche and my ability to hate Georgia. You’re really making me conflicted over here. Fair points on all accounts, and I even chuckled at a few of the nicely placed jabs at the USC fanbase. Truly though, Hailtogeorgia and Tankertoad have both made good points about this issue. And, a lot of what they said is echoed in your response.

As I said earlier. Looking forward to matching up with you in Columbia, not sure which weekend it will be though. And, I’m happy for you that you’ll still be able to make it to Clemson in 2013 or 2014, not sure which year it is you vist the Palmetto State (*housecats).

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Dec 14, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Much obliged, skandrewj62j.

As I hope you noticed, I tried to be very careful about not painting with too broad a brush by branding all, or even most, South Carolina fans.

It’s an important game, and the Gamecocks have earned our respect by winning three of the last five series meetings, including this year’s game, which was in Athens between what appeared then, and appear now, to be two evenly matched teams. I fully expect that this game, whenever it is played, will be between the top two teams in the East in 2012.

You are a credit to your fan base, sir, and I agree with hailtogeorgia; “Palmetto State (*housecats)” was nicely done, indeed.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

For me it's not as much about the tradition as much as it makes sense to have the game where it is.

Week 2 is usually cupcake season and I believe that the game’s placement has helped UGA and USC get exposure. As I noted on Garnet and Black Attack, the last 14 meetings have all been nationally televised. I think this helps us both tremendously. The game is usually a tightly contested struggle, though the 41-37 tilt in 2009 and the 45-42 bout in 2011 both baffle me. When did we become a Big XII matchup?

To reference UF-UT and third Saturday in September (How did Tennessee get so obsessed with the number 3?), just because right now USC-UGA is a more appealing matchup, doesn’t mean it will always be so, I think the placement ensures both teams a spot on national television. That’s where I’m coming from. Oh, and there’s just something about the Bulldogs and the Gamecocks playing when it’s still 90 degrees outside.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It seems like it's about 110 degrees outside the past few times I've attended that game in Columbia

You are correct about the nationally televised part- lately on ESPN because CBS picked up coverage of the US Open tennis tournament around 2004-05 that occurs the same time as the first couple of weeks of the college football season. However, the improvements y’all have made under the HBC probably warrant this being a national game no matter what time of year the game was played. I have joked among friends that we should move the game later in the year because of S Carolina’s noted historic struggles later in the season, but it was nothing more than to get a laugh. I agree to an extent that it does feel right playing this game early in the season, but it wouldn’t bother me if it was the 2nd game of the season, or the last in the month of September. The last weekend in September actually could be more ideal, as it would allow the game to return to CBS, and it would be a bit cooler out, though likely not by much.

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by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 14, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

As a South Carolina fan...

I’ll just say that I don’t care much about when the game is played. Though it would be weird if it were moved to later in the season, I don’t consider it a matter of tradition; I’m just used to it, since that’s just the way the scheduling has always worked out. I’d consider it just as strange if we were suddenly playing Florida in Week 2, but it wouldn’t be violating something sacred in the least.

Anyway, I understand that Georgia fans don’t view this game quite like USC fans do. It is important in the divisional race, but you guys (obviously) have a much longer tradition and history within this conference, and we’re relative newcomers even after 20 years. That’s just the way it is with a team like USC that spent years wandering in the conference wilderness (as well as years being mediocre/bad).

In my mind, Georgia is our biggest SEC rival for many reasons, but I realize those feelings are rarely reciprocated. You’ve got plenty of other teams to hate, and even with something as irrational and emotional as sports, there’s only so much of that ill will to pass around. Of course, I would love to see our upward trend continue, and for this game to take on more significant meaning with the UGA faithful!

by RumblinFish on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough, RumblinFish.

Certainly, South Carolina has gotten our attention with wins in three of the last five series meetings, strong finishes in the East the last two years, and the likelihood of being one of the division frontrunners next year. While I doubt we’ll ever hate the Gamecocks the way we hate the Gators, the Plainsmen, and the Yellow Jackets, it’s a game we need to win, for a variety of reasons. I thank you for your reasonable response.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 14, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Question

Does anyone here remember the hosing incident when the ‘Dawgs visited the plains? One of my early memories of the AU “Family”.
I hate Auburn.
TKK, you’d run a better blog if you focused less on facts and statistics and just ran with emotion.
Just kidding brother, happy holidays.

by blacke06 on Dec 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

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