Isaiah Crowell and the Disappointment of Unrealistic Expectations Unrealized
We shouldn’t even be having this conversation. In a sane, rational world, one where talent and mastery of craft counted for something, I wouldn’t feel the need to justify my love for Daryl Hall and John Oates. Their greatness would be evident to anyone with functioning ears.
Robert Dean Lurie (February 10, 2010)
It is safe to say that Isaiah Crowell inspires strong feelings among devotees of the Georgia Bulldogs. Last February, he completed the "Dream Team" and validated the embattled Mark Richt regime. The two gentlemen seated behind me in the Georgia Dome last Saturday afternoon repeatedly and emphatically expressed the depth of their displeasure with him. One of my co-authors here at Dawg Sports recently likened Crowell to the Bond girl from "Goldfinger."
What changed between February, when Isaiah Crowell was the "missing man" who would save a program then in a three-year decline, and December?
A little under a year ago, the Bulldogs had just completed their first losing season since 1996, their first seven-loss season since 1990, and the worst season of the Mark Richt era. A little under a year ago, Isaiah Crowell was a five-star prospect ranked by Scout.com and ESPN.com as the country’s top prep tailback coming off of a 1,721-yard, 18-touchdown campaign as a high school senior. What, though, has he done for us lately?
Lately, Isaiah Crowell has rushed for 847 yards, the most by a freshman in the SEC this autumn, despite missing significant playing time due to injury and suspension. By way of comparison, Washaun Ealey rushed for 717 yards as a freshman in 2009, Thomas Brown rushed for 875 yards as a freshman in 2004, Garrison Hearst rushed for 717 yards as a freshman in 1990, and Rodney Hampton rushed for 890 yards as a freshman in 1987. If Crowell runs for 44 yards in the Outback Bowl, he will overtake Hampton for third place all-time among Georgia freshman running backs, and he will have compiled the second-highest rushing tally by a true freshman in school history, behind only Herschel Walker.
Crowell’s achievements on the field earned him SEC freshman of the year honors and caused him to be selected to the CBSSports.com freshman All-America team, in addition to aiding the Athenians in their successful effort to reach ten wins for the first time since 2008 and the SEC Championship Game for the first time since 2005.
In short, Isaiah Crowell largely has lived up to the hype, but our perspective on his accomplishment is skewed by the fact that we view him through the distorting prism of his predecessors. We see embarrassing antics that remind us of Washaun Ealey and Caleb King, whose careers ended in disappointment, and we conveniently forget the fact that what we suppose and what we know are vastly different things; most of what we believe about Crowell is based on rumor and innuendo, not on solidly-sourced reporting. We see his 847 rushing yards, and we see the glass as almost exactly half-empty, because, after all, Herschel ran for 1,616 yards as a freshman, and we conveniently forget that accusing a Georgia running back of being “not as good as Herschel” is about as fair a criticism as accusing Stephen Hawking of being “not as smart as Einstein.”
As I pointed out on this week’s podcast, Isaiah Crowell is the Rorschach test of our Georgia fandom. He is the emblematic figure upon whom we project all our hopes and fears for the Bulldogs’ future. We question his maturity, and forget that he is an 18-year-old kid away from home for the first time in his first semester of college, and that the temptations Athens offers are multiplied tenfold for a football player in his position. We question his attitude, and forget that he has been told since middle school by multimillion-dollar college football coaches that he would be the next big thing, and that, after hearing that over and over again, it’s not unreasonable to think he might have begun to believe it. We question his durability, and forget that he was accustomed to being a man among boys (Crowell’s 1,721 yards and 18 touchdowns as a high school senior were gained on just 147 carries; his 847 yards and five touchdowns as a college freshman were gained on 182 carries), and that a period of adjustment might accompany the transition from Class AA to the Southeastern Conference. We question his tenacity, then we lambaste him for his desire to get back into the game as soon as one of his coevals has broken off a big run.
Isaiah Crowell is far from perfect; in this respect, he resembles most of his fellow human beings. His problems, however, appear to be the problems that accompany being an 18-year-old kid. Well, on January 8, he will be a 19-year-old kid. (That’s right; the running back who helped rescue us from Liberty Bowl purgatory in Memphis shares a birthday with Elvis Presley, thank you very much. Rock stars just don’t get suspended for failing drug tests, is all.) I am confident Isaiah Crowell will mature, because most of us did, the aforementioned Ealey and King notwithstanding.
At the end of the day, it is fair to say that Isaiah Crowell would do well to heed the advice of Coastal Carolina head coach David Bennett by being less of a kitty cat---I trust that was the allusion actually intended by my colleague; we at Dawg Sports regret any misapprehension that may have arisen---and more of a ‘Dawg. We should not forget, though, that Isaiah Crowell is a damn good ‘Dawg already, and, when he steps onto and off of the field, he deserves to do so to the accompaniment of your cheers and applause, not your hoots and catcalls.
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I'd say it's sort of a disappointment
Just because of the immense promise he shows, coupled with the bewildering way he has acted on and off the field in his freshman season. When he’s on the field, he’s a dynamite threat.The problem is he’s too often not on the field, and the indications seem to be, be it from suspensions or an inability to play through pain, that it’s largely of his own doing. I never played football, so I have no idea how difficult the rigors of running into SEC defenses are, but the fact that it was often Crowell himself pulling himself out, not the coaches or trainers, is a large part of it.
I hope he stays and I hope Marshall’s presence provokes some kind of spark in him, because he seems like a special talent. But he’d need to show more drive than he has so far for me to believe that that is going to happen.
by Torgo's Executive Powder on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions
This is exactly the reason why I think many folks are not satisfied after an 800-yard rushing season.
If Brandon Harton had rushed for 800 yards, or even Carlton Thomas, we would have been hailing their heart and fight.
We’ve seen Crowell’s physical prowess and capabilities, though, and they are an order of magnitude greater than Thomas’ or Harton’s. Isaiah Crowell has the potential to be as good as Knowshon Moreno, Garrison Hearst, and Robert Edwards, and “only” an 800-yard season would have been disappointing for them.
Unfortunately, Crowell’s proclivity to sideline himself with an injury that Georgia’s medical staff then ignored understandably causes fans to question his toughness. If he doesn’t need medical treatment, then why is he not healthy enough to play?
In fact, the numbers are pretty much irrelevant. It’s not the numbers that concern me. It’s the level of effort that he is perceived to be giving on the field. Our entire offense is predicated on running the ball first, and we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have a reliable back toting the mail regularly.
I agree… we need more Dawgs on the field. And whether it’s a significant injury or not, I hope Isaiah Crowell has a chance to heal completely in the offseason and launch into the 2012 season with a fresh slate.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 10, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I hope he stays
And I hope Branden Smith changes numbers. Because I want Keith Marshall, Isaiah Crowell, Branden Smith, and Malcolm Mitchell on the field at the same time.

by Torgo's Executive Powder on Dec 10, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
The issue is, vineyarddawg, perception.
We do not have any facts about his injury or the “nagginess” of it.
You say the numbers are irrelevant, but the effort on the field, but the number of carries and yarddage are an fact (I am learning from Xon) that suggest effort on the field was there.
Your eyeball test has some relevance, I see some things too, but we can’t medically know what is going on with Crowell without a statement, we aren’t his doctors, his trainers or his coaches.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I don't get "run the ball take yourself out-run the ball take yourself out-run the ball take yourself out "
I don’t get how he could come back in at the end of the Tennessee and Florida games. I don’t understand under what circumstances this would be injury-related. My hand feels better now, Coach, I can go back in and carry the ball? Did he take some advil on the sideline? Does he need repeated doses in short proximity?
Have you ever seen anyone else do this like Crowell has over the course of a season? I can’t recall seeing it. I myself am not tough enough for football, period; I get that the hits are hard and often and that over the course of the game an injury can feel worse and worse. But over the course of one or two plays? Shoot, it either hurts too bad to play or it doesn’t, right? Who among us cannot relate to that?
I watch our RBs go in and out all the time. Only one is under the microscope.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
How many times exactly did Crowell do that?
I saw him come in and out, but not be out for more than a drive or two. This may have happened, but it certainly wasn’t a trend that he would miss half a game and come back at the end.
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 10, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Against Florida for sure.
I had thought he did it against Tennessee too but it was more just the banged up for a drive thing than out most of the half and then back in like against the Gators.
I don't think you can say the performance on the field doesn't matter.
If nothing else, it validated that Crowell is no paper tiger, and he does have the talent to rush successfully against SEC defenses. The off field issues do leave a little to be desired, but that’s something that I think can be rectified simply by a good offseason and time to mature.
To discount the performance on the field based on potential, however, simply isn’t fair. This is an argument that quite often was used against Shaquille O’Neal…that is, that he was a great player, but he could’ve been a once in a lifetime player. The difference was that Shaq had a life while in the NBA and was personally okay with being “just great”, whereas some others who get so much praise for their approach to the game (like Michael Jordan, for instance), were also extremely competitive off the court and weren’t much fun to be around. I know we’re not talking about the kid’s personality here, but to say that his performance doesn’t matter because he didn’t live up to his potential is doing the kid an injustice, in my opinion.
by hailtogeorgia on Dec 10, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Those are fair points, vineyarddawg.
However, I take issue with your examples. You wrote: “Isaiah Crowell has the potential to be as good as Knowshon Moreno, Garrison Hearst, and Robert Edwards, and ‘only’ an 800-yard season would have been disappointing for them.”
Knowshon Moreno had the second-best freshman season in Georgia history, but he did it as a redshirt freshman.
Robert Edwards spent two years as a defensive back before playing his first game at running back as a junior.
Garrison Hearst played as a true freshman, and gained 717 yards as a first-year collegian.
Isaiah Crowell can do better, but Hearst didn’t do as well, and neither Edwards nor Moreno played a down at tailback as first-year players. Who’s to say they’d have done better? Crowell is within 50 yards of having the second-best rushing season by a true freshman in Bulldog history. It’s hard to say that being better as a true freshman than any Red and Black running back not named Herschel Junior Walker would be disappointing for anyone other than the Goal Line Stalker.
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Fair point.
As I’ve said before, we’ll all be watching in the hope that Crowell is able to take another step forward in 2012.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 10, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I think we all hope this year represents a stepping stone to greater future success.
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In my opinion Crowell was not disappointing. He is clearly a great, talented player.
In fact, he is better than I expected, and 800+ yards is terrific. But I do feel that he was not nearly as good, reliable, or impactful as he could have bee based on the talent level we saw. That’s where there is some disappointment—he has as much talent as we have had in Athens since Garrison Hearst. Yet his lack of reliability and toughness make it appear that the 800+ yards this year could even be his high-water mark. I think it’s very fair to say that there are questions about his ability to do more than he did this year.
If 800+ yards is what he gets every year due to injuries and suspensions. will he have been a disappointment? I know it’s conjecture, but i think that’s what troubles everyone…so much talent but apparently not a lot of ability to realize it.
by rbubp on Dec 10, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well put, rbubp.
Isaiah Crowell’s production has been impressive for a true freshman, but I am willing to cut him some slack regarding his flaws due to his youth. Obviously, that will cease to be a mitigating factor next year, and in future seasons.
I won’t be pleased with 850-yard seasons in which playing time is lost to suspension in 2012, or thereafter. If 2011 represents not a promising start, but instead a high water mark, I will revise my assessment.
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When you say "off the field" Torgo's Executive Powder,
That is part of the problem of perspective. I believe Spears point out that Crowell was very high on numbers of carries, only the likes of Richardson and Lattimore were ahead of him. So, in fact, he had a large number of carries for any running back, and do do that as a Freshmen is a great feat.
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Hard to say
Without really knowing the reasons that he was suspended and without being around him on the team, it’s hard to know. Of course, that hasn’t stopped some people from pigeon-holing him. When he was healthy, he was very good- I would say up to expectations. The injuries are a little bit of a concern, but his HS coach said he had some injuries last year and probably wasn’t in tip-top shape coming to Athens. He definitely deserves a little more mercy from the fans to get healthy and more importantly, get his mind focused and put away whatever distractions he has. Having the majority of Dog fans slamming him, doesn’t really help anyone at this point.
Thoughts like this....
As I pointed out on this week’s podcast, Isaiah Crowell is the Rorschach test of our Georgia fandom. He is the emblematic figure upon whom we project all our hopes and fears for the Bulldogs’ future.
are why they pay you the big bucks.
The point that he carried the ball more times this year in the SEC than he did last year, in high school is an important one. I would add that in the SEC there are exactly four other players who have carried the ball more the Isaiah Crowell.
I’m voting an unqualified “no” on the disappointment.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Dec 10, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is a great point
for all that we’ve all worried about him missing time via injury or being suspended, he’s still top 5 in the SEC in carries.
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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I commented on this point above TQCOA
Minus a suspension, and a _very legitimate injury that could have had his leg broke, he would have been in the top of the record books. The suspension is on him, but if he didnt get rolled on, he would have already broken 1000 yards.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
Crowell has confirmed his skill, and that's truly outstanding.
The man can run the football, and I don’t possibly begrudge him his injuries. However, the suspensions were self-inflicted wounds that make me question whether he will be a long-term success. It’s not that Crowell’s good isn’t good – it’s that his affirmative good is mixed with affirmative bad.
He can do so much more. I hope he does, and matches character with his ability to take his place among the greats to tote the rock in Athens.
by first and thom on Dec 10, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions
I am far from perfect and have screwed up worse as an adult,
How he responds from his “self inflicted wounds” is very important. Hanging with the good kids rather than the cool ones maybe a start.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I agree
With T. Kyle. I don’t like fans booing their own team
by allsports22 on Dec 10, 2011 10:48 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I booed Massaquoi his freshman year
And I instantly regretted it. And he turned into my favorite Dawg of my college years (shared the honor with Knowshon). Hopefully Crowell can handle the criticism and turn it around like MoMass.
by Torgo's Executive Powder on Dec 10, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Massaquoi's freshman year....
I refered to him as “Massa, massa massa not gonna work here anymore.”
/Mr. TQCOA, what would you say you do here? I have people skills damn it!
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Dec 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for giving me the opening to say this
cause it’s happened with Crowell.
NEVER, NEVER EVER, NEVER boo the kids, or the coaches for that matter since the kids don’t know the difference.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Unless it's Ken Malcolm
Or you are saying Booourns.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Dec 10, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely.
You never boo your own players. Ever.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 10, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
ask me next year about this time
I believe Crowell has all the tools to be what we need, the question is does He WANT it enough. Hershel will not be repeated, too much has changed. Do you think even He could replicate his production against all the bigger/faster athletes in the sec today?
by Ihateorange on Dec 10, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You mean this guy, that is 49 years old in this photo?

Yes, in fact, I do.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
by tankertoad on Dec 10, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
College football players have gotten bigger in the last 30 years...
…but Herschel Walker has gotten bigger still.
by first and thom on Dec 10, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
You know what Herschel Walker likes about these freshman....
he gets bigger, they stay the same size
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Dec 10, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
And so do I
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insert shameless comment about Herschel standing in a kitchen that I built, and how he loved them, and how he told me to call him “Hersch” cause when you know him like I do…
by Phineas on Dec 10, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're about to get 5 posts about "size". lol. But as it's Herschel, and I still don't know how to resize myself, I will let the other mods say something.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I find it amusing
that nobody complained about the size of this picture.
by Cherokee's Grip on Dec 10, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Herschel is a BIG MAN
can’t fit him in the standard height = 300
I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs
by Dawg2011 on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's funny. New Dawgsports 101, only Herschel can get by without sizing.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
by tankertoad on Dec 11, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Herschel = BMOB
Big Man on Blog
I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs
by Dawg2011 on Dec 11, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Same status reserved for
Frank Sinkwick

I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs
by Dawg2011 on Dec 11, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And maybe limit Sapp and Trippi
to height=450
Fran Tarkenton = 400….10 is not retired yet
I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs
by Dawg2011 on Dec 11, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd across the board.
I’d put the Nos. 47 (Robert Edwards and David Pollack) ahead of Theron Sapp, jersey retirement notwithstanding, but it’s a sliding scale.
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ihateorange, let me add
Pretty much everyone played to stop Herschel, and Dooley just kept giving him the ball. It’s how we lost the 1981 championship. I am not making this up, at the age of 9 I was telling my dad we needed to throw to Herschel in the flat, but we kept running him. Yet, even with every team making their entire gameplan about stopping him, he still kept racking up numbers. In today’s game, with a little mix and match, dink and dunk, (and not a lot, just some) Herschel would still run over people.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
It's going to be awesome
…when he gets on the field in a NFL game next year.
I like trucks.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Dec 11, 2011 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
Herschel can't be repeated...
to be Herschel, know? The strongest, fastest, and one of the biggest on the field? You’re 6’3, 280, with Deion’s speed and hips. Take Jeff Demps, add 6 inches, and 100, 125 pounds of muscle. To say he won’t be repeated is an understament.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of pressure was put on him from the get go
My opinion is some of the older guys on the team need to get with him, mentor and rally behind him and the other newdawgs coming in to buy into what could potientally be a very very special team next year. As long as he buys into the standard set and what is expected of players on and off the field I think we’ll see a new and improved player in him of course a full off season in the S&C Program wont hurt either. T. Kyle has it right about booing too, the true fans dont do that they rally behind the team no matter what
We all knew
about Crowell’s lofty ranking and gaudy high school numbers. Part of the problem regarding his perception among Georgia people was the inevitable, “is Isaiah Crowell the next Marcus Lattimore” question that permeated through the August two-a-days and was perpetuated by the mainstream media and blogs. Everyone was guilty at some point of wondering this, which is the natural by-product of signing the next big 5-star thing.
That is never a fair question, yet we all wondered before we took the field against Boise, “Well, is he?” We build these kids up to a point to where we want to believe our own unrealistic expectations which more often than not fall short. There may never be another Herschel Walker. There may never be another Marcus Lattimore. Isaiah is unique and flawed and talented and, at the moment, a bit enigmatic. His season was hardly a failure, mostly a success, but he did somethings what freshmen typically do that makes you shake your head.
I genuinely believe he’s been hurt, but I also believe he came into this season exactly as you illustrated: Not quite ready, but still pretty damn good. If Crowell can rest his body, focus on his schoolwork and mature a little bit from his freshman to sophomore year, he may just have the kind of season in 2012 that most of us unfairly expected of him in 2011. He will benefit from a full off-season of S&C, campus life and hopefully some guidance. I hope he can cut it because he showed some brilliance at times that made everyone collectively say “wow.”
And just a thought: Were people really booing Isaiah in the Dome last weekend, or where they acknowledging “Boo” Malcome’s return to the field after starting the game? Because that’s my impression of what happened while watching TV.
Great post, Kyle.
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Need more Dawg job. Good luck to the best sound-bite coach since Robbie Caldwell.
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by DavetheDawg on Dec 10, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Dabo aint bad for a good soundbite either
"This is what it’s all about. You don’t quit. There are so many quitters out there. All these people that quit on us, they don’t deserve this. This is for the players and the coaches and for all the people who were all-in all the frickin’ time. I’m proud of those people. That’s what this one’s for."
"I know I'm asking a lot, you guys, but hunker it down one more time!"
I don't remember who wrote it...
But some blogger or wrote before this season that if Isaiah could have two-thirds of the impact of Lattimore Georgia would take a major step forward. I think that’s exactly what happened.
DavetheDawg,
I know you have read my comments about this, and I so totally believe Crowell needs a lot of rest. He was dinged up from the get go. Overtraining can, in fact, look like undertraining. A few solid months of rest and refocus can go a long ways. Modern workouts involve a lot of explosive work, followed by a lot of good rest (sleep is so critical), some stamina type work, and a great diet. I can see trying to use him for LSU, but in general, it’s best to let someone fully heal than only get to 90%, because then it never gets better.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
Talent ahead of maturity...
can be hard to watch. To me this quote by Kye says it all:
“We question his attitude, and forget that he has been told since middle school by multimillion-dollar college football coaches that he would be the next big thing, and that, after hearing that over and over again, it’s not unreasonable to think he might have begun to believe it.”
From 10 years old you get your own rules…and by the time you get to a real program like UGA, you believe it will always be that way. CMR has quite a challenge on his hands, but my money is on him getting this kid up to snuff.
Dawgs, this is as good a place as any to say thanks for a great year and a real view into a program that is the class of the SEC. We cheered you guys like crazy all year and when we left for the New Mexico game it was 10-0 Dawgs against LSU. When the score was announced as 21-10 during the game in Bronco stadium a kind of groan came up in our section. We felt like the good guys were losing to the evil empire. Got a feeling it will be different next year.
Disappointed due to overly high expectations.
Those, of course were largely built due to his gaudy HS numbers and his #1 rating. To be quite fair, he won in HS on pure talent-not on effort and heart-not on true determination and “grinding it out.” Those are lessons he is still learning. He was not ready this season to be the 25-30 carries per game workhorse that his team needed him to be. The perspective that he is a true freshman is a valid one. Perhaps the question we should all be pondering is this: How big is his upside? I say, potentially tremendous. Very possibly, Heismanesque. I will go out on a limb and say that the best thing to happen to IC and his career at UGA could be the arrival of Keith Marshall. Nothing brings out the best in a person like a good dose of competition. I believe we are all about to see if IC truly “has it.”- Stay tuned.
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by Lakepoets on Dec 10, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Disappointing, but not for his production on the field.
I think the suspensions are what is disappointing, not his season. He had a really good season for UGA this year, even through some injuries. I think people look at what Lattimore did for USCe as a freashman and expected the same from Crowell.
Lattimore, even has a freshman, was obviously physically ready to play in the SEC (and probably the NFL). Crowell is a back who really could have benefited from red-shirting. That was not going to happen due to depth issues and the fact he was recruited with promises of early playing time. I think a full year in collegiate S and C will do wonders for Crowell.
A year in college will also help with the maturity issues. I fully expect Crowell to be lighting defenses up next year.
The red shirt idea won't ever fly with a high valued recruit.
If we offered him a RS, he would then be at another SEC school running over us. Sure, a chance to grow sounds good, but it’s a non player because it will never happen with a top recruit.
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Just because it's impossible doesn't mean that it's not a good idea.
Discuss.
by first and thom on Dec 10, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
If there is no way on earth it will happen, it's kind of pointless to go on about it.
Kind of like talking about CMR going to ATM.
Top recruits don’t get redshirted. If they are, they are going somewhere else, so coaches have to work with them and find ways to utilize them well.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I agree with you.
There is no reality in which Crowell gets shirted. That said, both from maturity and physical standpoints, he may have benefitted from it. It’s easy to forget that the dude is sitting at the vortex of a huge swirling mess at age 18.
by first and thom on Dec 10, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Enigmatic
It wasn’t that Crowell had a bad freshman season on the field……it was just way too controversial. From the injuries, to the suspension, to the look of disinterest on the sidelines Crowell could only be described as enigmatic. From an outsider looking in he sure looked like an “energy vampire.”
I think 2012 will be telling……it will be either a stepping stone towards Crowell’s being an outstanding player at UGA or a path out the door. I wouldn’t bet on either path.
"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything." George Bernard Shaw
Lattimore sat on the training table just like IC,
and no one said he was disinterested. You can’t see much of anything from back there, and there is no way to “get involved”. In between plays or TOs, sitting on the table, what was he supposed to do exactly? It seems on this one UGA fans would have only been happy if he got a pom pom and was waving it. The cameras weren’t on him during live play, just on breaks.
I agree with 2012 though, that tells the story.
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That look of disinterest is exactly the Rorschach test TKK was talking about
In the Kentucky game, he was accused of looking disinterested or moping after the injury. In the Georgia Tech game, he was criticized for smiling and laughing and not looking focused intently on the game. At that point, what look could he have? If he’s obviously distraught about being injured and not being able to play, he’s blasted for looking spoiled or whatever. If he recognizes that he won’t be able to play so he instead chooses to enjoy a win with his teammates (who were also smiling and laughing), he’s blasted for not caring that he can’t play.
His attitude problems, suspension aside, is largely a narrative (but not The Narrative) invented by those who wanted a robot to come in and play. They wanted a level of stoicism and intent focus on the game and nothing but the game that is unheard of, and frankly should not be expected of, an 18 year-old kid. The kid is human, and more importantly, the kid is a kid.
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by The984 on Dec 10, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, I completly agree.
I guess he has to be standing by Coach RIcht with a headset, a focused, determined look, a clip board and a pom pom (see the irony of focused look and pom pom), in order for people to be happy.
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by tankertoad on Dec 10, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly have no understanding where all the criticisms are coming from on Crowell.
But I am obviously in the minority here. I have watched every game this year and see absolutely ZERO of what has been mentioned about his poor attitude, not caring, lack of effort, or any of that. I just simply do not see it.
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by Munson's_Marbles on Dec 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you.
The only indication of anything negative was the suspension.
Well, that and him turning his back on CMR in the LSU game. But that was just a couple seconds of frustration I think. It’s not permissible, but it’s kinda easy to understand.
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 10, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
THe sideline look and demeanor remind me of Jay Cutler
He looks somewhat disinterested most of the time or he just doesn’t know how to express his emotions appropriately. Not sure which but I am all for IC.
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by PJsGroundPound on Dec 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hey y'all
I have a problem with questioning a man’s toughness when he’s doing something I’ll never be tough enough to do. Injury prone? Fair comment. The backup can take more punishment and keep going? Fair comment. But questioning attitude and physical toughness if you aren’t there on the scene- I don’t know. I remember watching ALA-Auburn games in the mid 80’s where a tailback would be knocked unconscious, the medical staff would revive them and they’d be tossed back in the next series. Tough? Sure. Stupid? Sure. See medical studies on repeated brain injuries and the long term effects (granted, most of these are just happening now due to suicides/addiction in the NFL). Saying “the medical staff didn’t pull him out, he pulled himself out”- well, I know medical staffs at Georgia, Auburn and Alabama and they regularly tell players to take themselves out of the game (particularly if they have chronic injuries that they are exacerbating by continuing to play). I’m not saying IC is tough or weak but if someone claims an injury it is a bit of a stretch to say “no you aren’t!” when you are watching it on tv.
Anyhow, I hope IC ends up looking like a warrior by the end of his UGA career. If not, we’ll have another champ to step up. Go Dawgs! Happy holidays everyone.
by blacke06 on Dec 10, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think people would question it so much if he didn’t, as Kyle pointed out, throw himself back in every time another RB starts to win some praise by breaking off a big run.
"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." AJ's one-handed catch at Colorado
Is that not human, though?
I get what you’re saying, but I see it as responding to motivation. He does need to work on digging deeper to motivate himself, but would you rather him respond by just quitting whenever another RB broke off a big run?
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 10, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally, he’d respond by not quitting in the first place.
"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." AJ's one-handed catch at Colorado
I guess that's where we differ in opinion.
I never saw it as him quitting at all. I saw a running back dealing with injuries along with more hits and carries than he’s ever had to handle. Then a teammate breaks off a run, so it forces him to step his game up.
Just because an external stimulus provides motivation does not mean that he had no internal motivation or just quit.
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 11, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think part of the problem is that people keep saying “he’s a freshman, we were all like that”, but the other freshmen on the team don’t seem to need the kind of mental/attitudinal adjustments that he seems to. Hopefully Keith Marshall will come in as mature as he seems.
"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." AJ's one-handed catch at Colorado
Nobody is holding any of the other freshman to the same standards.
For one, the spotlight isn’t on them the whole time. Second, whenever the other freshman mess up, we tend to attribute it to ‘being a freshman’, whereas Crowell catches the whole ‘lack of effort’ talk. In other words, how many other true freshman touch the ball 15-20 times a game?
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 10, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's an interesting point.
Everyone has forgiven Malcolm Mitchell for dropping that wide-open touchdown pass against LSU, even though that would’ve represented a huge momentum swing.
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To combo off of your point,
I would add that the one dropped pass represented a much large percentage of touches when you’re talking about ‘quality touches’. One dropped pass from a receiver who catches five balls a game is on par with a running back who derps his running lane 4 or 5 times a game when he had a hole to run through.
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 11, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
I’m just asking everyone to remember that you are sitting behind your computers and most of you (like me) haven’t been through D-1 football so respect those who have made sacrifices beyond what you would ever do. I work with specops guys, I’m a corporate guy- but I don’t challenge their manhood if they trip and fall, I just thank them for their service and slap them on the back and tell them to keep going. I’m not (exactly) comparing SEC football to the SEALs but it’s kinda the same sorta intensity (ok, SEALs are tougher but SEC ball is pretty intense) – and those of us who are supporting and serving those dudes owe them a level of respect. Like, seriously.
by blacke06 on Dec 10, 2011 8:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
SPECWAR and SEC Football are waaaay two different things
One is a game the other is real bullets. I`m not a SEAL I do work with them from time to time to know. The intense team oriented philosophy is about all you can really compare.
True, but I think that was the extent of blacke06's comparison.
The point being, those of us who don’t put ourselves out there physically probably should be careful about criticizing those who do. Obviously, the risk levels are quite different, but the principle remains the same.
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I respect everyones opinion here...we are all Dawgs fans.....
but isn’t the fact that we are having a long discussion about Crowell mean that something may be amiss…..
the other night DeSean Jackson was sitting on the bench by himself showing no emotion. is he a great player…..yes, but body language reveals a lot.
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I don't think the existence of this conversation reveals 'something may be amiss'
This whole conversation is about how much of this talk is not really warranted. We may disagree, but I find this whole thing kinda overblown. He has stuff to work on, but that’s the extent of it to me.
by Swarles_Barkley on Dec 10, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
We had to make at least passing mention of the “Mark Richt to Texas A&M” rumors, even though there was never a shred of truth to any of it. Sometimes, you have to address what people are discussing in order to ask rhetorically, “Are we seriously having this conversation?”
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According to the Aggies, CMR flew to College Station, and was deeply engaged in negotiations, and CMR is a liar.
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Fair enough.
In response to our new conference coevals in College Station, I freely concede that I have only two pieces of evidence to support my position that Mark Richt will never leave Athens for another coaching job:
1. Everything Mark Richt has ever said.
2. Everything Mark Richt has ever done.
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And that is exactly what I am arguing at The 12th Man.
And the response has been to call me a fool, an idiot, and CMR a liar.
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TT, stay away from there
if you value your sanity.
I should have, but I got to add retard to the list.
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Beergut in particular is just not a rational human being
—and as he is the site mod, it poisons the whole place, IMO. Two years ago the arguments were legendary about how overrated AJ Green was and that their receivers at the time were actually better and this was an example of SEC bias.
I go by now and again for the same reasons I check the NATS boards…for the humor. Of course, NATS is funnier because their entire existence is centered around us, which is nothing even remotely like pretty much exactly analogous to the situation between aTm and Longhorns. (Explains a lot, amiright?)
They have had an obsession with Texas, still do,
and they have completely unrealistic takes at their own program. They are like Tech – every year it was a “shoulda, woulda, coulda”. They are already touting how great their O is going to be, which is pretty incredible, considering they don’t even know who the coaching staff is going to be, they haven’t gotten through a recruiting year and spring game, and they have never faced an SEC slate of defenses.
That website is similar to OBNUG and Tech sites – it’s all about us and our way, don’t come here if you don’t agree. Beergut permitted people to flame me when all I said is “this is CMR’s history, and this is his statement”.
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body language?
I think that was sarcasm Ozam. At least I hope so. Richt doesn’t foam at the mouth like Orgeron used to. Does that reveal a lot? If a player isn’t hooting and hollering on the sidelines does it mean that he doesn’t care? Bear was pretty stoic on the sidelines and leaning on the goal post- I guess he had no interest in the game. Or maybe gentlemen of a certain age and / or demeanor prefer to maintain a stiff upper lip (sorry, I lived in London). Like, you don’t have to wear your emotions or your religion on your sleeve to prove anything to anyone. So I’d suggest judging anything by a player’s sideline demeanor is taking a weak “science” (psychology) to an illogical conclusion. I suspect you agree but some people might take your comment seriously rather than in the jesting tone in which it was offered, so I felt the need to speak. Best. Sometimes sarcasm is lost on the masses.
There has always been the "Richt isn't emotional" crowd.
Then you get Coach Traitor, and Coach Jackwagon, and you can see what “being emotional” looks like.
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by tankertoad on Dec 11, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wholheartedly agree on that one.
I will take composure and poise out of an HC every time.
Yep.
Mark Richt’s demeanor has won a lot of ballgames for the Bulldogs; at Tennessee in 2001, at Alabama in 2002, and at Auburn in 2002, to name the first three that pop into my head.
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For what it's worth
The Team guys I know (4, Devgru, CIA in Afghanistan) are all big college football fans, they compare the unity of their teams to being in serious sports, even though what they are doing is OBVIOUSLY more serious and more important than college sports. Just my own personal observation but I think there is a common emotion- dudes working together, protecting each other and striving for a common objective. What keeps you going in tough times is the buddy next to you. In sports, in life. Not to get too psychological (smile). But the bonding is there. I actually think this “team” psychology is what distances a championship group from a group of great athletes. But I’m just spouting stuff, maybe I’m wrong. Hope UGA can get that sort of chemistry going next year and whoop a$$.
Go ’Dawgs. Again, happy holidays and Merry Christmas everyone.
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by vineyarddawg on Dec 12, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the fantastic post, T. Kyle.
I’ve been thinking much of this for a while now, but you actually know what you’re talking about and are therefore more qualified to write it. With regards to the “he keeps taking himself out” complaint, I think many of us (and I include myself here) are hyper-aware of when he’s playing and the circumstances under which he leaves the field (much more so than we are with just about any other player on the team). We’re nervous when he leaves because we have little faith in the backups, so of course we take note. And all this talk about how he might be a problem child makes us that much more inclined to look for “evidence” of it. I compare it to the full moon suspicion—it’s not that weird things happen during full moons; we just notice bizarre events more because we’ve been conditioned to believe that it happens more frequently.
To anyone that really believes he shows insufficient interest or respect or what-have-you on the sidelines, I ask you to re-watch a game or two and examine the expressions and body language of all the other players on the sidelines. Is IC really that different? I suspect not.
And one other point: as far as I know, IC has not had “suspensions,” plural. He’s been officially suspended exactly once. The one quarter he sat out was never actually called a suspension (if I’m wrong, someone please correct me). So for all we know, they were trying to rest him for medical reasons. I think the kid’s got enough on his plate without fans assuming the absolute worst and then stating it as fact.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 10, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The one quarter suspension was because CMR "loved" him, not for medical.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.
That clears it right up (no it doesn’t). Did they actually call it a “suspension,” though? Even a “this hurts me more than it hurts you because I love you so much” suspension?
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 11, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
To clarify
The snark in the previous post was directed towards Richt, not you. It’s a very bizarre explanation. Here’s hoping it made more sense to Crowell than it did to the fans.
by MidnightFrost1701 on Dec 11, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
RIcht never, ever throws his players under the bus, even when they are hitting the door.
So, this works for me. I agree with Kyle on the podcast, he really cares about him and he did something with a ’tude, likely, and he got a small punishment.
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by tankertoad on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not bizarre at all. He's trying to teach his players.
And I have no doubt he does love them exactly like a father would. This is not the pros.
by rbubp on Dec 11, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looking back at the past five years in the SEC
Isaiah Crowell had enough carries to finish in the top 10 in the league every year. Carries per game it was even higher. Among true freshmen only Lattimore had more and Dyer had basically the same number of carries. He still has the bowl game to play where if he gets 18 carries he will break 200 carries for the season. Only 24 players have had that many carries in the SEC in the past 5 years (I only went back that far because at cfbstats.com that is as far as they go back). He did his share this year. Could he be in better shape? Yes. Does he need to stay away from some of the off field things that got him suspended. Yes. Despite those two issues though he had a very productive season. What I hope for him next year is that he has about the same number of carries but with a higher ypc and no drop off from his ypc from the first half of the game to the second half. I think that will happen as his carries per game go down with other running backs carrying more of their share of the load, better conditioning from an off season in a college S&C program and from knowing more what to expect in the SEC. On the field I am not concerned. Hopefully he will mature a bit so the off field issues are not a problem either.
by dawgfan17 on Dec 11, 2011 4:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Georgia did not win the SEC
Therefore: yes, disappointing.
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by Gen. Stoopnagle on Dec 11, 2011 6:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It seems you are serious -
Winning the East was the reasonable goal after last year and the start of this year. Even if we beat BSU and/or SC winning the East was still the goal. Too young, not enough depth, and a weak O Line to play LSU for 4 quarters.
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by tankertoad on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with both of you:
Gen. Stoopnagle, for the ambition; tankertoad, for the pragmatism. Balancing the two is the trick to the whole thing.
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Crowell aside for a second
has anyone heard how things with the Gala has been going with the recruits?
CMR and Bobo could help the kid by...
Setting fan expectations appropriately the weeks before the Outback Bowl. How about commenting that “Isaiah is still a little dinged up, so we hope he can get 10-15 carries.” Then, if he totes it 30 times, we are all blown away and happy with his effort overcoming injury, and if he only gets 5, then we figure he must truly be hurt (walking over to the trainer’s table, then, would be a smart PR move). It could also play into deceiving MSU as to how much they can expect IC to play.
Towards the end of the year, we got vagueness from CMR on IC’s status, then we had Bobo hyping that he was ready to go. If we give Crowell the benefit of the doubt, then he obviously wasn’t ready, physically or mentally, for the last several games of the year.
by pwkeys on Dec 13, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I like this, one caveat -
The best interview with Bobo would be one where Coach Grantham was standing by him duck taping his mouth.
Lowered expectations ftw.
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