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Georgia Bulldogs v. LSU Tigers: Too Much Information (Part Two)

Given the magnitude of this weekend’s contest in the Georgia Dome, this week’s edition of Too Much Information is being offered in three parts. The first installment covered the striking similarities between the SEC slates of Saturday’s combatants. We now look at the historical parallels, both between the two programs and between this season and previous ones.

Though they have met on the gridiron just 28 times, the Georgia Bulldogs and the LSU Tigers have history with one another. That history includes the SEC Championship Game played on December 3, 2005, when I wrote:

Star-divide

Earlier tonight, the Bulldogs played their best game of the season. . . .

The Georgia coaching staff called a brilliant game. The contest was hallmarked by gutsy calls, aggressive play, methodical execution, killer instinct, and physical football. If you're a Georgia fan and you didn't absolutely love every aspect of this game, you need to quit watching football, move to China, and spend the rest of your life watching people play ping pong. Yes, I know they call it "table tennis" in China. It's ping pong.

D.J. Shockley hit Sean Bailey on a perfect 45-yard touchdown strike. DeMario Minter set up another T.D. with an interception. Bryan McClendon blocked a punt to set up the Bulldogs' next score. Brandon Coutu made a 51-yard field goal look easy. The Georgia D knocked L.S.U.'s starting Q.B. out of the game with a separated shoulder and the second-string signal caller's second pass was intercepted by Tim Jennings and returned for a touchdown. The Tigers were held to 74 net rushing yards and the Bulldogs spent all evening in the Bayou Bengals' backfield. . . .

The glory days are now.

One of the reasons Georgia fans and LSU fans typically have such favorable feelings for one another’s football programs is that the two teams have risen and fallen together over the course of the last decade. Between 2001 and 2005, the Bayou Bengals attended three SEC Championship Games in a five-year period, winning two of them. Between 2002 and 2005, the Bulldogs attended three SEC Championship Games in a four-year period, winning two of them. Georgia and Louisiana State met in Atlanta twice during those years, with each team beating the other (convincingly) once. But for a one-point LSU loss to the Arkansas Razorbacks in Little Rock in 2002 and the inability of any team to kick a field goal against the Tennessee Volunteers in 2007, the Bulldogs and the Tigers would have met in the Georgia Dome four times in a six-year span.

Following their last meeting in that venue six years ago, it appeared that these two teams were destined to face off often with the league title on the line. As of the close of the 2005 campaign, Nick Saban was no longer in Baton Rouge and Tim Tebow was not yet in Gainesville, and Georgia and LSU were the dominant forces in the league. After a half-decade of ‘90s retro featuring the reascendance of the Alabama Crimson Tide and the Florida Gators, it’s good to see the Bayou Bengals and the Bulldogs are serious about getting the band back together.

Accordingly, I am approaching this Saturday’s contest with a sense of nostalgia, recalling in the process such details as these:

  • In 2001 and in 2005, the favored team in the SEC Championship Game was upset. Louisiana State was involved each time, losing to Georgia on the second such occasion.
  • Mark Richt is 3-3 against the Tigers.
  • In 2007, when LSU made its most recent previous SEC Championship Game appearance and Georgia tied for the Eastern Division championship but lost the head-to-head tiebreaker to determine the team that would represent the East in Atlanta, the Bulldogs were the hottest team in the country at the end of the year, and the Bayou Bengals claimed the national title with two losses. It may be four years overdue, but this is the matchup we wanted then, and, once again, we have a red-hot Red and Black squad that overcame a pair of early losses to go on a tear through several major rivals in succession, and we have a Tiger team entering the Dome with a shot at the national championship.
  • The similarities to 2005, while obvious, are important enough to bear repeating. That season, the ‘Dawgs were ranked in the teens of the preseason polls, opened against Boise State in the Peach State on September 3, played a tight ballgame against the South Carolina Gamecocks on September 10, scored in the low 20s against the Mississippi St. Bulldogs in a game in which the Red and Black won while limiting the opposition to ten points, defeated the Tennessee Volunteers in Knoxville in a low-scoring affair on October 8, scored in the low 30s in a win over the Vanderbilt Commodores in Nashville on October 15, squared off with the Florida Gators in Jacksonville on October 29 for a four-point decision in which the losing team’s starting quarterback was suffering from injuries sustained earlier in the autumn, won the Eastern Division championship by beating the Kentucky Wildcats between the hedges on November 19, beat the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets in Atlanta on November 26 to cap off a two-loss regular season, and squared off with Louisiana State in the SEC Championship Game on December 3. Maybe that’s all a great big coincidence, but, for the record, Georgia won that game, 34-14.
  • While we’re noting similarities with previous seasons, though, I would be remiss not to compare 2010 to 1974. Both campaigns featured double-digit losses to Mississippi State in the Magnolia State, early road losses to Palmetto State rivals, losses to the Auburn Tigers in the so-called Loveliest Village, six-win regular seasons, and embarrassing setbacks to mid-major teams in minor bowl games. Both seasons were followed by years in which Georgia opened the autumn at 0-1 yet concluded the campaign by having suffered only a pair of defeats in the regular season, thanks in large part to significantly improved defensive play. Given the run that followed the fall of 1975---Georgia won SEC championships in 1976, 1980, 1981, and 1982, and came within one game of claiming the conference crown in 1978, 1979, and 1983---I’m hoping that parallel holds true, as well.

None of that may mean anything at all, of course, but it sure makes me feel better about our chances.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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lack of agricultural workers in Alabama

Since the new immigration law in Alabama they have had trouble finding people to pick fruit and vegetables. This series of articles appears to be the best example of cherry picking I have seen in my life. the poor fruit growers of AL could sure use GA fans.

by charliewewe on Dec 1, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

We really appreciate you creating an account to troll here.

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by tankertoad on Dec 1, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Just so we're 100% clear

that is NOT me. Only mention it since I used that term a few minutes ago on here.

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by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We're good, J Tadpole.

I took issue with your use of the term “cherry-picking” in the thread in which you used it, but we’re clear that those are two different discussions with two different people.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I quite agree, charliewewe.

In the previous installment, I compared Georgia’s performance over all eight SEC games in 2011 to LSU’s performance over all eight SEC games in 2011. In this installment, I looked at Mark Richt’s entire record against LSU and drew comparisons involving each of the pertinent seasons over the last eleven years. Cherry-picking, indeed . . . and you skillfully found me out, despite my great care to conceal it by included every relevant detail!

Do tell, charliewewe. Precisely what pertinent data do you believe I am concealing?

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

/mildsarcasmatitsfinest

by SAVdawgUSAF on Dec 1, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot to include

UGA is the only SEC team Les Miles has a losing record against.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 1, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Les Miles cannot clap

Has anyone else noticed how terrible Les MIles is at clapping? He holds his fingers way apart and looks like a 3 year old only slapping his palms together.

I am pretty sure his clapping ineptitude will translate to a win for the Dawgs.

by amantini on Dec 1, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

visual

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 1, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You and me both

tell me you’ve seen his “it’s gotta be the shoes” video. That sealed the deal on my Lester love.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant muster the hate for this dude!

Kick ass in the NC, Les! The best 13-1 season ever! Go DAWGZ!

by SAVdawgUSAF on Dec 1, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

HOWEVER,

Urban is a douche! OH, Im sick…ok i am better! I hope hes a bust at OSU! Not just because he left, but bc thats my wifes family team…DOWN WITH THE POISONOUS NUT!

by SAVdawgUSAF on Dec 1, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

To show my odd knowledge -

They created that bass kick sound with a little echo by using two mikes, one close to the drum, one a distance away.

The song itself, is originally a 1929 blues song about the great 1927 Mississippi flood.

/themoreyouknow

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by tankertoad on Dec 2, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It will take an effort equal to 2005

to win this game. For some reason I’m feeling somewhat optimistic about it. It may be that I’m in Big 10 country, and nobody is giving UGA any shot and just laughs about it. Then again, most haven’t watched us play, and I’d guess that most commentators haven’t either by the looks of things. We match up fairly well on paper against LSU, but the difference will be in all the little things that we did in 2005 (which LSU has done all year to opponents this year), that we’ll need to repeat in order to win.

by andycapps on Dec 1, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

2005 is one example...

… but the other is 2003, in which Georgia came into the game with confidence and a strong team, having barely lost to LSU earlier in the season (in a game they really should have won). LSU came in with a team that was just plain better, though, and they thoroughly beat the Dawgs.

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by vineyarddawg on Dec 1, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the cold dose of reality/facts

That hits like a bucket of cold water. 2003 could also happen, but if it does, that’s the expectation, I feel like. Nobody is expecting us to even be competitive. To hear the talking heads, we might as well stay in Athens and forfeit the game. We simply don’t belong there and are only there because of our wimpy schedule (that’s fairly similar to Bama’s). Nevermind the fact that we’ve faired very well against the common opponents that UGA and LSU share (as TKK has so eloquently shown). Facts don’t belong in talking points, just rhetoric.

by andycapps on Dec 1, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

just one example do you want more?

“Among the SEC opponents Georgia and LSU do not have in common, the Arkansas Razorbacks were the weaker of the two the Bayou Bengals faced and the Vanderbilt Commodores were the weaker of the two the Bulldogs faced. On paper, the Hogs were a lot better than the ‘Dores . . . but, on the field on October 29, Arkansas was only three points better than Vandy, so what appeared on paper may not have been altogether accurate.”

You actually believe that Vandy is the same as ARK? By the way, you failed to mention that UGA beat Vandy by 5 points and LSU beat UA by 24. I found this link on ESPN and I had to comment. If you send the Kool aid I will be happy to drink it. You need a disclaimer that says that others are not allowed to question your analysis.

by charliewewe on Dec 1, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

The idea that TKK is one of these hot-headed bloggers

just spouting off nonsense shows you don’t come around these parts. You should consider returning to that habit if this is the level of conversation in which you are interested. Disagreement is always welcomed around here, but you show signs of pesky qualities such as not-having-read-the-post. Pesky indeed.

Vandy should have beaten Ark straight up. Ark was incredibly shaky on the road this year, only barely beating Ole Miss as well. I’m not sure what to make of Arkansas’s season over all just yet, given how badly they were dismantled by their two better opponents. If Georgia gets similarly manhandled by LSU on Saturday, then I guess we’ll know.

by Xon on Dec 1, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, Xon.

Obviously, we were typing our replies at the same time. Great minds may think differently, but at least they agree upon the rules of engagement.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No need for a disclaimer.

You’re free to question it. You’re even free to be a jerk about it. If you are, though, you need to expect that I’m going to be a jerk back.

Try reading more carefully and more comprehensively before you start slinging accusations about my approach. I think you’ll find I’m a pretty reasonable guy, but, when you walk into someone’s house and the first thing you do is pee wewe on the rug, don’t be surprised when the homeowner inquires where you learned your etiquette.

To your point, let me see if I understand you: Alabama’s and South Carolina’s very similar records are irrelevant, but Arkansas’s and Vanderbilt’s dissimilar records are very relevant; the margin by which Arkansas beat Vanderbilt is irrelevant, but the margins by which LSU beat Arkansas and Georgia beat Vanderbilt are very relevant; and I’m the one who’s cherry-picking. Yeah. All right. We’re clear, charliewewe.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Vandy

is actually a great example of the “classes” in the SEC this year. The results of their games suggest they are nowhere near Bama (and, by proxy, LSU), not quite Arky, Florida, or UGA, tons better than Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Kentucky. The South Carolina game looks like their outlier- they should have done better in that one.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't mean to say

that Florida is as good as UGA. They may have been early on, but UGA got better while they regressed.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing about Vandy

Is that they’re very close to being an 8-4 team instead of 6-6. They were very close to that, but either through not having the depth of the teams they’re facing, or just not enough luck, didn’t make it. Also, James Franklin is still a jerk.

by andycapps on Dec 1, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Which would put them neatly in that class.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

I was just putting more out there to explain the difference between them and the step above than just stating that that’s where they were.

by andycapps on Dec 1, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What I said is that you left out the point differentials in your analysis which I think is important and you do not. Your points are well taken but do not tell the full story, that is cherry picking. . You only discussed the fact that you and Ark both beat Vandy and you pointed out that Ark was only 3 points better that Vandy. So why isn’t is fair to question how much better UGA was to Vandy and LSU was to ARK? I do think that comparing the #2 team in the nation to SC would be fair as well as WVU and Oregon to GA Tech and boise.

by charliewewe on Dec 1, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

It's interesting how you Bama fans come here, say something offensive, then backpedal and play the "who me?" game.

We can read your posts, and follow the threads. No, you did not say “you left out the point differentials….” You did not, at all, say this. What you said was GA fans need to pick fruit in Alabama, and feel free to hand out the cool aid.

Bottom line is you lost to LSU, you had your shot, now this is ours, and the rest of the year, regardless of what facts you want pick, is what got us to this game, and in fact, it doesn’t truly matter what you want to argue or not argue, we will settle it on the field saturday.

(that was 8 commas btw Kyle)

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by tankertoad on Dec 1, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again, . . .

. . . we were typing at the same time.

While I agree with you about charliewewe’s previous comments, as long as he wants to play well with others now, I’m happy to hash it out with him on that basis.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Editor, "Dawgsports"

"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Dec 1, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The comment about picking fruit in AL was a shot at the state of AL and how they have Hurt their agriculture industry with their immigration laws. It was a joke not really pointed at UGA. the Kool aid comment was a response to the troll comment by tankertoad and others about not commenting if I disagree with you.

by charliewewe on Dec 1, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, charliewewe.

This is all I’m saying. I’m wrong as often as the next guy, but I try to be fair, decent, and sincere about it. Meet me on those terms, and we’ll get along just fine.

Thanks for clarifying. Your point about point differentials is a fair one. As a general proposition, I think Georgia and LSU played similar enough SEC schedules (non-conference slates are tougher to compare) that we might safely say that the Tigers are a great team and the Bulldogs are a pretty good one. I have no illusions about the fact that LSU is the best team in the country; Georgia just isn’t that far behind.

On the whole, regarding point differentials, I believe yardage totals, first down tallies, and time of possession numbers generally suggest that, while both Georgia and Louisiana State performed solidly on the field, LSU did a better job of closing the deal by scoring points when it mattered. (As evidenced by Les Miles’s decision to have his quarterback kneel four times at the end of the Ole Miss game, and by Mark Richt’s decision to let time expire with the ball virtually on the goal line at the end of the Florida game, neither coach padded his team’s stats by running up the score.) Georgia’s greater tendency to leave points on the field could come back to haunt the Bulldogs against LSU, as that same tendency hurt the Crimson Tide against LSU, but I expect Georgia to prove to be the second-toughest opponent LSU has faced. Whether that will be enough, I don’t know.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Unrelated...

But please use the “reply” feature when replying to a comment. It makes the discussion flow better.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 1, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Y'all are only #2 thanks to a schedule weaker than Tulsa's

weaker than several pac 12 and ACC schedules.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 1, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well,

for one thing I ain’t sure how he got branded a Bama fan. For another, that bit about a weaker schedule than Tulsa’s just ain’t true. Of course, I’m just going by Sagarin’s ratings. The top nine SOS in his poll are all Big 12 teams.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw something where their SOS was in the 20s

and y’all in the high 30s or low 40s.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 1, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sagarin has Tulsa in the 70s

Bama in the mid 20s.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, and they're all subjective as hell.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

do tell

Editor, "Dawgsports"

"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Dec 1, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And Sagarin isn't?

He’s the only objective SOS rater out there?

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 1, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

No, his too.

Everything about the system is subjective, but you shouldn’t see crazy swings like you do in the SOS component. Of course, any system that isn’t allowed to consider margin of victory in any form is flawed anyway.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, not that inconsistent where Bama's concerned.

Here is the SOS rating in each of the computer polls. Haven’t seen anything that has them in the 70s.

A & H- 23
Billingsley- 31
Colley- 24
Massey- 2
Wolfe- ??
Sagarin- 23

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

Editor, "Dawgsports"

"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes?

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 1, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually the cherry picking comment was as much a shot at the state of AL as it was to your analysis. I apologize for being a smart___.

by charliewewe on Dec 1, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Let me see if I can follow this. . . . .

Kyle writes an article comparing LSU and UGA. The comparison of LSU to UGA upsets, not the #1 LSU Tigers who may consider that comparison demeaning, but instead upsets Bama fans.
I am confused.
Is their week of irrelevance the cause of this?

by hbtd on Dec 1, 2011 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

nah can't be

then we would have heard it for the past 13 weeks. I never consider a bama fan relevant

And to Hell with gatech

by Dawg2011 on Dec 1, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're getting all irritable about looking at part of the picture...

let’s take a broader view. Yes, the big difference between us and LSU or Alabama is that we LOST 2 games, but that’s why I’m fine with being ranked somewhere between 10 and 15 (for now), and I’m not chirping about being in the top 5. BUT when we’re trying to predict how we’re going to do on the field on a given day, let’s try to look at what’s tangible. (You can factor in intangibles later.)

I think TKK makes some excellent points in both of these segments, and has pointed at the true similarities between these two very good-to-excellent teams. To play devil’s advocate, I did a little bit of number crunching to try to find some way to justify all the crap that UGA gets for its schedule, which is of course the only way people can knock a 10-2 team….. No luck.

As I posted earlier regarding the erroneous statement that Arkansas is much better than UGA, and therefore we will get crushed as bad or worse than they did, the numbers say otherwise.

As with Arkansas, let’s look at UGA and LSU’s Total Offense and Total Defense ranks:
Total Defense:
LSU – 2
UGA – 5

“Yeah, but UGA has played a cupcake schedule and basically fell into the SECCG, while LSU has been battle tested by a slew of conference and non-conference juggernauts!”

Average rank of UGA and LSU’s Opponents’ Total Offenses:
LSU Opponents – 72
UGA Opponents – 70

“Oh…. well still”

And again for fun, let’s just look at the other side of the ball:
Total Offense rank:
UGA – 34
LSU – 62

“But LSU played in the real division with the real defenses, so no kidding their offense will have had a harder time!”

Average rank of UGA and LSU’s Opponents’ Total Defenses:
UGA – 44
LSU – 45

“Oh…. well Honey Badger don’t give a $#&(*%!”

Well played, cajuns. See you Saturday.

PS: In case you were wondering about that vaunted Alabama Defense, their opponents’ average rank in total offense is 92nd. Roll Tide—roll all the way to your couch this weekend.

by SilverBritches83 on Dec 2, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Really...

The only category LSU has a major advantage is points scored. Yes, points scored are very important, but assuming we don’t give up big plays on ST or have horrid TOs, we should be able to stay in the game.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 2, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I just think your offense will have a very difficult time moving the ball, and LSU’s punter is a wizard at pinning offenses deep. Eventually defenses break when they are consistently put in bad field position.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what scares me about LSU

They simply don’t mess up. We rarely play flawless games.

LSU hasn’t played a sloppy game all season. Yes, they struggled against ‘Bama, but who doesn’t?

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 2, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I am extremely jealous of their punter.

Love watching that kid do what he does.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 2, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Pity. You’re a Dawg fan, and you’re looking up to anotherteam’s punter?

My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.

by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

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RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.

by ChopMaster on Dec 2, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he's an Alabama fan.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 2, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

In case you were wondering about that vaunted Alabama Defense, their opponents’ average rank in total offense is 92nd. Roll Tide—roll all the way to your couch this weekend.

Yep. Of course, LSU and Arkansas combined averaged 11.5 against Alabama and about 40 against the rest of their schedule, so there’s that.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Disregard the word "combined."

Restructured my sentence and left a word in accidentally.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

But

It’s that many are discrediting our defensive stats by pointing to the strength of our schedule. On that argument alone, LSU and ‘Bama can’t claim superiority.

All three squads have great defenses, but, right now, we’re not quite at LSU and Bama level, but we’re pretty darn close. Next season, with practically everyone returning, watch out.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

for proving my point. LSU’s total offense ranks 62nd, while Arkansas is 28th. That Alabama’s opponents AVERAGED a rank of 92 shows just how bad the rest of the schedule was on offense.

by SilverBritches83 on Dec 2, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot something

If you look at the difference between total offense and scoring offense you will see that
Total offense
GA 34 LSU 62
Scoring offense
GA 25 LSU 13
LSU is much higher ranked at scoring (a some what important statistic), than at yardage. The reason for this is LSU’s special teams. Look at punting and you will see that LSU’s punting ranking is very good.
Net punting
Georga 100 LSU 4
Combine this with the number 2 ranked defense you can see that LSU’s yardage is less because they typically don’t have to go that far to score.

The advantage that LSU has in their special teams.

by charliewewe on Dec 2, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's hard to maintain super efficient offenses.

Bill Conolley (whose last named can also be spelled correctly) argues that yardage figures (apart from garbage time) are a better indicator of performance than just points. Sometimes, teams do too good (or too poor) a job at converting yards to points. While the factors you indicate are certainly relevant, there’s also a different narrative that could be spun from them: LSU scores lots of points on short fields. When Alabama (for example) focused on pinning LSU deep, LSU’s drives sputtered outside FG range. Alabama’s attempted long FGs set up LSU will better field position and gave LSU the short field to which it is accustomed.

by first and thom on Dec 2, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, you're absolutely right

I think all UGA fans would agree we haven’t been good at finishing drives and really putting teams away, which is exactly what LSU has been great at. My point is simply that, to imply that UGA is overrated at #5 in Total Defense (a common theme I expect to hear approximately 125,000 times during Gameday tomorrow) by saying that their opponents’ offenses stink is ignoring the similarity between opposing offenses between all of the top defenses.

It should be no surprise that most of the top defenses (which come from the SEC in disproportionate numbers) have aggregate opposing total offenses in the bottom half of the nation. UGA is just one of a number of teams in that category, and LSU is right there with them.

by SilverBritches83 on Dec 2, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is it just me?

Or do yall get the feeling that Bammers are living vicariously through LSU this week.

If LSU beats UGA by say 14 pts, I fully expect Bammers to print T-shirts saying “SEC East Champs”, you know since they only lost by LSU by 3 points, and they really should have won.

Likewise, UGA fans being optimistic about their chances against LSU is coming across to Bammers as a shot at them, since they are the only team worthy of competing against LSU.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"Les is going to show you how he has Moves Like Jagger" -Tiger on the Mountain, Track'em Tigers

"Les has charm. Petrino has none." -Pat Forde, Yahoo Sports

"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky, Track'em Tigers

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples, SI

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton, Dr. Saturday

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

by LSU Jonno on Dec 2, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I don't think they're living vicariously through LSU.

I think they’re living vicariously through dissing Georgia.

(Small difference, but important to the Bammers’ mindset.)

Editor, Dawg Sports.

Go Dawgs!

by vineyarddawg on Dec 2, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the vibe I'm getting as well.

Same thing with Arkansas fans, which is downright laughable. At least Alabama looked to be LSU’s equal, while during the Arkansas game I was wondering if we were playing Arkansas or Arkansas State.

2011 LSU Accolades:

"Les is going to show you how he has Moves Like Jagger" -Tiger on the Mountain, Track'em Tigers

"Les has charm. Petrino has none." -Pat Forde, Yahoo Sports

"Saban thoroughly outcoached by Miles" -Jen Engel, Fox Sports

"I really like corndogs" -Sparky, Track'em Tigers

"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples, SI

"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton, Dr. Saturday

"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

by LSU Jonno on Dec 2, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not so much living vicariously

but as I said over on ATVS, we are absolutely riding your coattails right to the BCSCG. Best thing you can do for us is continue to look unbeatable- keeps us number two by proxy. I think that burns a few LSU fans up.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 2, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Your paranoia is getting out of hand, I am not a bama fan.

You guys are paranoid. There is not a bama fan lurking behind every comment you do not like. in fact the comment i made was a shot at the bigotry of the state of Alabama and how it was adversely impacting the horticultural sector of the state. ’The farmers in Alabama say that the new law will kill a $5.5 billion industry. Brian Cash, an Alabama tomato farmer, summed it up this way: "Tomato production contributes $1.6 billion a year to the state’s economy, but without immigrant labor, that money will disappear. We grow it. Hispanics pick it. That’s just the way it is." ’ It was much to subtle of a joke. You took it as a insult to UGA it was not intended in that way, in fact it was an insult to Alabama.

by charliewewe on Dec 2, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

I'm confused...
This series of articles appears to be the best example of cherry picking I have seen in my life.

Where is Alabama mentioned in that sentence?

by AcworthDawg on Dec 2, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

again cherry picking by the easily confused

Yes it was a shot at this article. I stand by the statement that the article used selective statistics that made for a positive spin. The article used the Ark v Vandy game score, why not the ALA v vandy score or the Ark v USC score. I could name several other items but I don’t want to confuse you.

Again read the whole comment do not take a sentence out of context. No I did not put the word Alabama (AL) in every sentence of the comment. I did not realize I need to do that for you to follow a thought.

“lack of agricultural workers in Alabama

Since the new immigration law in Alabama they have had trouble finding people to pick fruit and vegetables. This series of articles appears to be the best example of cherry picking I have seen in my life. the poor fruit growers of AL could sure use GA fans."

by charliewewe on Dec 2, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You get that no one cares about Alabama,...

the lack of argicultural workers in Alabama, or their immigration laws? Or at least that’s not what they’re doing on this site. Why you feel like continually making that comment, and explaining it over and over again, is becomming tiresome.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 2, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, really?

Your defense of your own comments was that it was only a shot against Alabama. I posted a direct quote from your own post and I’m the one cherry picking information? /thumbsup

Just so you know, when you claimed it to only be a shot against Alabama and nothing else was your own poor attempt at cherry picking.

Oh, and my use of the phrase “I’m confused” was sarcasm. Next time I will be sure to spell that out.

by AcworthDawg on Dec 2, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we've reached an understanding here.

It was a political reference that went awry, it was reasonable for folks to assume that someone who mentioned Alabama somehow had an interest in Alabama, we’ve cleared up the misconception, we’re agreed that political commentary is neither welcome nor relevant, and we’ve addressed (above) charliewewe’s substantive criticisms. How ’bout if we all let it go at that?

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Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 2, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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