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Conference Expansion, Contracts, and Commitments: The Problem of a Nine-Game SEC Schedule

We interrupt Hate Week (or, if you prefer, "Hate Week II: This Time, It’s Historical") to bring you this SEC expansion update. As you may have heard, the Missouri Tigers will be joining the SEC East in 2012, which poses the immediate problem of scheduling with seven-team divisions.

Though Greg McGarity initially indicated that non-conference schedules would remain unchanged, it has been reported by those who should know that the league will be going to a nine-game SEC slate. Though this has been denied, that denial probably is nothing more than a negotiating tactic. With seven-team divisions and permanent interdivisional rivals, an eight-game conference slate means rotating through the remaining six teams of the opposite division over a twelve-year span. That simply isn’t practical, at least not as a long-term proposition.

Accordingly, it is highly likely that, beginning next autumn, SEC squads will have just three openings on the schedule to line up non-conference games. One of those three spots on the Georgia Bulldogs’ annual slate, obviously, will be reserved for the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, which leaves only two Saturdays for arranging dates with out-of-conference foes. These almost certainly will be Division I-AA and lower-tier Division I-A clubs who will come to Sanford Stadium without expecting a return game.

This brings us to the Clemson Tigers.

Star-divide

Yes, I believe Mike Slive picked the wrong Tigers, but that’s water under the Gateway Arch. The problem now is that Georgia and Clemson are scheduled to open the 2013 and 2014 seasons against one another in a revival of the rivalry that was arranged in 2005. At the time the contract was signed, my son was two years old, but I knew that he would be ten when the first game rolled around, and I promised him I would take him to his first road game at Memorial Stadium.

To put it mildly, if this series gets canceled, I’m going to be ticked.

Such a cancellation would not be a first for McGarity, who axed series with Oregon and Louisville, but who also did so for the purpose of keeping the ‘Dawgs closer to home. In fact, McGarity specifically said he wanted to see Georgia play Clemson more frequently. Though he argued that home-and-home series with the Jungaleers should occur only "one time in a decade," McGarity is personally familiar with the history of this rivalry, so he is well aware that 2013 will mark the tenth anniversary of the last series meeting in 2003, marking the first gap of more than seven years between showdowns since the founding of both football programs.

McGarity also is aware that contracts must be honored, even in the midst of conference expansion. In the 26 seasons from 1962 to 1987, Georgia played Clemson 24 times and South Carolina 23 times. When the SEC increased its number of conference games from six to seven in 1988, it became necessary for the Bulldogs to begin alternating meetings with both sets of Palmetto State rivals. Consequently, Georgia set up home-and-home series with the Gamecocks in 1988 and ‘89, the Tigers in 1990 and ‘91, the Gamecocks in 1992 and ‘93, and the Tigers in 1994 and ‘95.

A monkey wrench was thrown into the machinery in 1990, when the league opted to expand, bringing South Carolina into the fold and upping the number of conference contests to eight. Even so, though, the Red and Black honored their commitments, hosting the Country Gentlemen in 1994 and visiting Fort Hill in 1995 as planned, despite the inconvenience of playing eight SEC contests in an eleven-game season. Georgia should not do less in 2013 and 2014, even if the Classic City Canines must contend with the inconvenience of playing nine SEC contests in a twelve-game season.

Fortunately, money talks, and McGarity knows it:

With the addition of the Texas A&M Aggies to the SEC in 2012, UGA athletics director Greg McGarity doesn’t think there will be a nine-game conference football schedule.

"We are locked into nonconference games with very high liquidated damages for both parties in some games through 2016, so I don’t foresee a nine-game schedule happening," McGarity told the Times Free Press. "If the conversation goes to nine games, then you’re going to have a number of institutions that already have signed agreements on nonconference opponents on set dates."

McGarity went on to state "I fully expect to play every one of our nonconference opponents on the Saturdays we have fully executed contracts with."

Granted, that was before the addition of Missouri, but the Georgia athletic director sounded pretty unequivocal, and the athletic association would be on the hook for $500,000 buyouts for each of the two scheduled games with Clemson. Since SEC expansion is all about money, the bottom line could be determinative, which is good; for once, lucre and tradition could be on the same side, and the league could make do with seven-team divisions and an eight-game schedule as a stopgap measure to get the current schools through the transitional period without having to violate their contractual obligations. Given how careful Mike Slive has been to avoid any unpleasant legal entanglements, that actually seems probable.

Just the same, I’d rather not run the risk. The Bulldogs will be taking on one historic Tiger rival on Saturday, and they will be adding a new Tiger rival in 2012, but this should not be permitted to derail a scheduled series with the Red and Black’s other historic Tiger rival in 2013. If only to be on the safe side, I am going to e-mail Greg McGarity here to let him know how important I believe it is for Georgia to honor its commitment to play Clemson in 2013 and 2014, and I would ask all of you to do likewise.

The Bulldogs are set to kick off against the Tigers in Death Valley on August 31, 2013, 661 days hence. Six years ago, I made a promise to my son that he and I would be there then. I intend to honor that promise. I expect my University to honor its promise to make that possible.

Go ‘Dawgs! Auburna delenda est!

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"Hate Week: This time, it's historical."

(raised eyebrow)

Are you implying our previous hate week relates to a rivalry that doesn’t date back more than 100 years?

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

I freely admit that the Florida rivaly dates back more than 100 years.

At an institution chartered in 1785, however, these things are relative.

Auburn is our oldest rival, at least until Mercer gets its renewed football program up and running.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Clemson may have mutual interest

Don’t forget that there’s a possibility that the ACC will go to 9 games as well when Pitt and Syracuse join the ACC. Although that is slated for 2014, depending on the WVU scenarios the timeline for their move could move up. In that case, Clemson is looking at the same problem as we are and, like Oregon, may decide to mutually end the agreement.

I’d rather play Clemson more often, too. I didn’t get to go over there in ‘02, so I’d like to make the trip as well.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

True, but wasn't the same true in 1994 and 1995, as well?

Florida State was added to the ACC in 1992, the same year Arkansas and South Carolina began play in the SEC. We kept our commitments then, as we should now.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just a point, Kyle.

To say that this is a two-way street with regard to both leagues expanding and the needs/desires of the respective institutions. If both parties agree to dissolve an agreement, no honor is lost. I think it’s also worth mentioning that we have a commitment to be good citizens of the SEC should the decision be made to go to a 9 game slate sooner rather than later.

Oh, and /insertEDSBSmemewithregardtoClemsonhere

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 9, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize if I sounded like I was being short (as opposed to being concise) with you.

I acknowledge your point, which is a valid one. I just believe the precedent has been set for not allowing such admittedly legitimate arguments to overcome fulfilling our contractual obligations.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

9 games would be shocking

I don’t see any way we’d go to 9 conference game immediately. They might set a goal 4 or 5 years down the road, but for now, I think we’ll be sticking with 8.

by Auburn_Elvis on Nov 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally

I think an eight-game SEC schedule would be awful, since, as you mention, we’d only see teams like LSU, Arkansas, aTM, etc. every twelve years. That simply won’t cut it.

I suppose the SEC may keep an eight-game slate for the next few seasons, but long-term, they have to add a conference game.

Even if they do move to a nine-game schedule, we should keep the Clemson games on the schedule. While our 2013 and 2014 schedules will be brutal, I, too, want to see us play the Country Gentlemen.

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by Jman781 on Nov 9, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

This is what I think happens

I think it’ll be an 8 game season for the next few seasons, 4 at most, to try and allow the non-conference schedules to filter out. Meanwhile, the ADs of each school know we’ll be going to 9 soon, so they don’t make too many OOC matchups.

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by The984 on Nov 9, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, Jman781 and The984.

It actually would be two meetings, one home and one away, every 12 years, but the point still stands that it’s too long to go between series meetings.

Since the league was planning to make do with 13 teams for a year, if need be, anyway, a gradual phase-in seems plausible, just as the conference initially had two protected rivalries and one rotating opponent when the conference first expanded in 1992 before switching it to one protected rivalry and two rotating opponents. Keeping an eight-game conference schedule for two, three, or four years to allow teams to work through their existing obligations seems prudent, and in line with Greg McGarity’s and Mike Slive’s overall approach. It also has the virtue of being the right thing to do.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This is...

…one of the biggest drawbacks of going to “super-conferences.” I’ve always found that one of the greatest things about college football is the out of conference match-ups, particularly when they align during the teams’ good years (e.g., OSU vs. Texas in 2005) and occur early in the season. It’s great to see games like Oregon-LSU, OU-FSU, Bama-PSU, etc. happen, particularly with the “our conference is better than your conference” complex that exists in college football. But as conferences grow, the conference slate will grow and these out-of conference games will occur less and less. I know it’s almost a decade away, but getting a home-home with Ohio State had me really excited to get non-traditional foes to Athens and Columbus. I’d hate for it to get to the point in college football that the only unexpected opponents are cupcakes and the bowl (playoff) game(s).

by kmzipsgolf on Nov 9, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Agree...

I have seen some who don’t like playing tough non-conference games now, for the SEC schedule is tough enough; however, this argument is enhanced when an SEC schedule is increased to 75 percent of the overall schedule, not including the (hopeful) SEC Championship game against an obviously solid opponent.

With only three non-conference games a year, one being occupied by GT, and a permanent neutral site game in Jacksonville (where we’re 1-0 in the last one season), we’ll likely see nothing but cupcakes fill the other two slots.

It’s sad, for I enjoy seeing teams I don’t traditionally and historically get to see at home, teams like Colorado, Arizona State, Okie State, Boise State, etc. Additionally, I like having the option to visit new campuses. Now, as you say, we’ll only see the aforesaid teams in a neutral stadium or, most likely, on T.V.

Of course, we could also increase the game schedule to thirteen, but I don’t know how that would go over…

"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.

by Jman781 on Nov 9, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Where we're 1-0 in the last one season"

I see what you did there.

rec’d.

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 9, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The financial down side should be able to be easily quantified for all signed game contracts...

… and therefore is a knowable quantity. The issue here is strategic moves over tactical. Don’t screw around and try to talk out of the side of your mouth for a few years. Just move to 9 games, instruct each school that you’ll reimburse them for the contract that costs the least amount to break, and move forward. If these realignment decisions really have been “hundred year decisions” as every side claims, these fees are insignificant when compared to that scale.

And for that matter, did all of these SEC schools really fail to put a clause in their contracts allowing either team to back out without a penalty if their conference’s membership status changed? They deserve to get hit with a termination fee if that’s the case.

As for Clemson, I see no need to cancel the games we’ve already contracted to play. Sadly, this will probably mean we’ll rarely play them again, but facing a season with 9 conference games, Clemson, and Georgia Tech is the price of voting for the admission of Texas A&M and Missouri, which we did.

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 9, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

If we go immediately to a 9 game schedule in 2012 with a 5-4 home game set up...

If my math is right we would have to start with the 4 home games in ’12 & only have 6 home games….(home)- 2 OOC cupcakes, tech & 3 true SEC home games for 6, with 5 SEC road games + Fla in Jax to make 12…

In ’13 we would have only 5 home games…(home)- 1 OOC cupcake & 4 true SEC home games for 5, with 4 SEC road games, Fla in Jax,, @ Clemson & @ tech to make 12…

In ’14 we would go back to 6 @ home…. (home) – 1 OOC cupcake, tech, Clemson & 3 true SEC home games for 6, with 5 SEC road games = Fla in Jax to make 12…

With the WLOCP & a 9 game SEC schedule + tech, it will become impossible to play anyone else home & home OOC without having only 5 home games in some years…

Some one please correct me if I am wrong :-)

by Ed Wilson on Nov 9, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

I can't work out

Whether we would ever have three SEC home games, or if our years of five road games will be the years that we’re the “road” team in Jax, so that we always play four SEC home games, every year.

I can see the other SEC schools wanting to make an argument that our five road game years shouldn’t be “eased” by having one of the five being in Jax. But then we get to counter that we never get five home games.

But yeah. There’s no way we can have a schedule with only five home games. The math in this day and age says you have to have six, and for most teams, that’s now really seven.

by RJohn on Nov 9, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be semi-OK with a temporary 8-game schedule...

As long as the other game comes out of our Inter-division schedule. I would not be OK with it if it came out of our intra-division round-robin.

In the long run, I think the 9-game schedule will be good for us. We seem to like scheduling 2 of our 4 OOC games against cupcakes while teams like FL always schedule 3. I believe this will do more to balance our schedules out with our intra-division rivals.

by mbrd71 on Nov 9, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

As an afterthought...

These new schedules are going to suck for the Chick-Fil-A people in charge of the kickoff game. Who’s going to volunteer to lose a cupcake to a big game when you only have two?

by mbrd71 on Nov 9, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Not all teams...

Have non-conference rivals.

Look at Bama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, etc., all of their rivals are in the SEC. Thus, these teams will have three cupcake games a year.

UGA’s and Florida’s schedules are especially tricky since both teams have GT and FSU, respectively, occupying a non-conference game and the WLOCP in a neutral site.

On the bright side, we won’t have to see these, or anything similar, ever again:

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by Jman781 on Nov 9, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point,

It does pretty much eliminate UGA, UF, USCe, UK, and UM (assuming they keep Kansas) from the east…I forget about all those “western” teams, lol.

by mbrd71 on Nov 9, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They aren't just commits at this point, right?

They signed their letters of intent today, I think.

by UGAVike on Nov 9, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

correct

Sorry. Hoops signees!

by Mark Mandingo on Nov 9, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Other news?

I thought we were a basketball school now.

Thus, the entire football season has been the “other news.”

:-)

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by Jman781 on Nov 9, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I Would Hope...

it goes without saying that if we go to a 9 game SEC schedule—which I think we should—it’d be a cupcake game that would give, not a Clemson, and agree we should all let Mr. McGarity know we think so. I realize that may give us a disadvantage v teams that don’t have an instate non-conf rival. And, in a long season, I get the value of having one easy game for resting up some student athletes and giving others a rare chance to strut their stuff. But as a native of Athens as well as an alum, I know the “real” games are better for local revenue, and are just better spectator events, period. I’d personally be delighted with 9 SEC games, + Tech + games v. a game per year strong non-conf opponents, esp. in the ACC, Big 10ish and PAC 12.

by Chickasaw on Nov 9, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Not related but appropriate

Some say that statements that require value judgments cannot be taken as factual. But I ask you, is beer not good? Is sex not great? Does Auburn not suck? Clearly, statements that require value judgments can be facts, like the statement “Auburn sucks.”

by HedonismDawg on Nov 9, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

What to do with the non-Conference schedule.

Kyle, I know you will not agree with this, but why don’t we just drop Georgia Tech. They have just become an inconvenience, Not unlike a mosquito bite, they can not do any real damage except maybe once every 10 years or so. We carry them every other year and provide much needed revenue from all of the tickets that Georgia fans buy. Now I realize they need this money to afford the new Star Trek uniforms every other year, but lets just let them drift off into irrelevance.

by eastbamadawg on Nov 9, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hmm... or how about this:

We alternate every two years. We get a home-and-home with Tech for two years, then a two-year series with Clemson.

Rinse. Repeat.

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 9, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I don't quarrel with that as much as you might think, eastbamadawg.

I certainly don’t think Georgia Tech is a more important non-conference rival than Clemson, though reasonable and knowledgeable Georgia fans may differ upon the point. Likewise, it isn’t as though we have no history of playing the Tigers at the end of the regular season. I’m fine with vineyarddawg’s proposal to alternate two-year series with Clemson and Georgia Tech the way we briefly alternated two-year stints with Clemson and South Carolina.

I’m sure NCT sees it differently, though.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Clemson’s last game is always going to be USCe, so the game would have to be at the beginning of the year. And from a Clemson perspective, we would never interrupt the South Carolina series on an alternating basis like this, so it would be difficult to schedule on our end. We are looking at the same scheduling headaches y’all are with a 14 team conference, and the Clemson-South Carolina game is actually required by state law. I find this very disheartening, because I think Clemson’s season should start with UGA and end with USCe every year, but I don’t see how that is possible with 9 game conference slates.

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by WillyD on Nov 14, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, you're right, and I'd be happy to see Georgia and Clemson play . . .

. . . in the season opener. (The 1946, 1982, and 2002 SEC championship seasons all began with games against Clemson.)

Historically, though, South Carolina has not been Clemson’s season-ending opponent. From the 1890s until the 1960s, the Gamecocks and the Tigers met at midseason in a weekday contest at the state fair, known as “Big Thursday.” While the two schools probably wouldn’t be willing to revert to that arrangement, there certainly is no sacrosanct tradition that says Clemson and South Carolina have to meet on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Indeed, many in-state rivalry games (e.g., Colorado-Colorado State, Iowa-Iowa State, Kentucky-Louisville, Michigan-Michigan State) are played in early to mid-season.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate this. Every part of it.

So, we scrapped (1) tradition [less games against old sec west foes and Clemson] (2) flexibility [to schedule OOC games], and (3) excitement [fewer BCS non-conference opponents] for the sake of Texas A&M and Missouri. Fantastic move. I’m surely beating a dead horse, but what part of that sounded so cool ? The money, I guess. But when does it become too big and little more than a socialistic monopoly, what with the revenue sharing and all that. All super-conference expansion does is lock you in to a monotonous long term schedule.

I firmly believe the original 12 will end up regretting this move long term. Why change the gold standard ?

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by esquiredawg on Nov 9, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I was excited about Texas A&M, but, while I have grown more accepting of the idea . . .

. . . of Missouri being in the SEC, I think it’s clear Mike Slive was outflanked by the ACC. I’m afraid I don’t see the logic of 14 teams; twelve makes sense, and 16 could make sense, but I don’t quite follow the benefit of 14 teams, beyond the presumed boost in TV revenue. The only way in which Missouri is an upgrade over Clemson is in the population of its nearby media markets, though I am far from convinced that there are more college football fans in pro-oriented Kansas City and St. Louis than there are college football fans in upstate South Carolina.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooo! Not the Clemson game.

For some of us it is a rivalry that supersedes the Gators and most certainly the hapless Yellow Jackets.

by hbtd on Nov 9, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Cupcake Quota?

Is that what we’re talking about, here? What rule says Georgia must have two pastries on the schedule every year? The last Clemson at UGA game was a bigger, more electric home game than any Coastal Carolina or New Mexico State will ever be. There is no reason UGA cannot use 3 OOC game spots to schedule Georgia Tech and Clemson in the same year. No reason at all.

I’m one of those Dawg fans who loved the Evanesque OOC scheduling with the Colorados, Arizona States, and Oklahoma States of the world. Yeah, that was some travel – they could have been spaced a little better, but I love watching some big regular season OOC games. Clemson certainly counts as such for UGA, and they’re right there in the neighborhood.

Besides, if someone is really worried about scheduling 2 “real” OOC opponents in a given year, all it takes is some planning ahead with regard to UGA’s rolling interdivisional opponent.

by Cousin Pat from Georgia on Nov 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

cupcake quota = BCS NC or BCS bowls

Everyone likes the big OOC games, but they don’t help the overall strategy of getting rings. Look at the schedules of the BCS champions or attendees of the SEC – not many big OOC games. Getting through the SEC is hard enough.

We all like the games, but they rarely help your school out.

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by tankertoad on Nov 9, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Big 3

I can’t argue with a lot of that, but you’ll have to pardon me for thinking Georgia’s ring situation has more to do with Tennessee, Florida, and Auburn than it does with the OOC schedule. Of all the SEC schools, it seems that the pastry chef helps Georgia the least.

by Cousin Pat from Georgia on Nov 10, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Cousin Pat, tankertoad is right.

I agree with you in principle, but he is correct in practice. Greg McGarity wants to have seven home games a year, and that means scheduling patsies, though I am heartened by his belief that we should schedule one series with Clemson per decade. This, I am afraid, is the way of the world.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 9, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The Schedule Cycle

I don’t think having only 3 OOC games keeps the schedule as restricted as it looks at first glance. There are years you can bet the SEC schedule is going to be tougher than others, and adjust perceived OOC schedule strength accordingly.

Playing at Baton Rouge, with Alabama coming to town, and Auburn on the schedule as always? Maybe the athletic department should get New Mexico State and Western Kentucky on the phone. Playing at a non-Mike Leach coached Ole Miss? Let’s see if Clemson’s got some schedule space that year. This ain’t impossible. It doesn’t have to be an every year thing, but it would be nice to see maybe 3 or 4 years a decade, especially if two of those were Clemson.

by Cousin Pat from Georgia on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said, Cousin Pat.

Good point.

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