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SEC Expansion, Divisional Realignment, and Rivalries: Walking a Fine Line Between Growth and Tradition

As a fan of the lower-ranked of the two Southeastern Conference division champions, I read with interest C&F’s recent piece on the wisdom of the SEC’s divisional structure, in which he had this to say:

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As a South Carolina fan, I despise Georgia, a hatred that is only surpassed by my disdain for Clemson because I respect Georgia more than I respect Clemson. Some of that is rooted in games that stretch back to the Gamecocks' ACC and independent days. But I also have no warm feelings for Tennessee, given a series of close games during the best Lou Holtz years that often ended any reasonable SEC East hopes before South Carolina played Florida, and close games afterward that often meant the difference between a bowl berth and another losing record.

I'm also not terribly fond of Florida, given a losing streak that stretched to almost 70 years at one point. Kentucky's constant chirping about finally beating South Carolina was grating until they did so, probably in the same way that South Carolina fans' "just wait 'til next year" talk probably got on the nerves of Georgia fans. Vanderbilt is annoying simply because Vanderbilt spoiled the 2007 and 2008 seasons before South Carolina finally ended the losing streak in 2009.

In other words, there's often a little bit more at stake emotionally when the Gamecocks play even a team like Kentucky than when they square off against Ole Miss. It's not the same thing. That doesn't mean I like Ole Miss, or want the Rebels to beat South Carolina. But my team doesn't play Ole Miss every year or jostle with them for position in the SEC East, so while it technically is the same in terms of the standings and the arc of a given year, it doesn't feel the same.

C&F makes a number of good points, the truth of which has been affirmed by poll results regarding the Georgia Bulldogs’ rivalry with the Tennessee Volunteers, in which 20 of the 41 series meetings have taken place since 1992. The introduction of divisional standing as an element of the rivalry also has added a new dimension to the Red and Black’s series with such long-established antagonists as the Florida Gators and the South Carolina Gamecocks. C&F’s thesis is fundamentally sound and supported by experience.

However, we should not overlook the extent to which the league’s structure tampers with tradition as much as it enhances it. C&F’s team may not play the Mississippi Rebels every year, but my team did, meeting Ole Miss annually from 1966 to 2002. Aside from the Alabama Crimson Tide, most of the Auburn Tigers’ important rivalries are with teams now in the Eastern Division, not with their Western Division coevals; heck, the Plainsmen have more history with such current ACC clubs as the Clemson Tigers and the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets than they do with some of their now-perennial foes in the SEC West.

The development of new rivalries in the last two decades has done surprisingly little to dim the flames of hatred in more historic series. Ask a middle-aged Tennessee fan to name the Volunteers’ biggest rival, and he will tell you: “My son thinks it’s Florida, I think it’s Alabama, and my father thinks it’s Vanderbilt.” Ask me to name the Bulldogs’ biggest rival, and I will tell you: “My son thinks it’s Florida, I think it’s Auburn, and my father thinks it’s Georgia Tech.” The so-called “Third Saturday in October” and the so-called “Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry” are far more important historically, and remain far more important emotionally, than such series of convenience as the Georgia-Tennessee and Florida-LSU rivalries, which largely are products of the last round of conference expansion.

None of this is to say that I dispute C&F’s general thesis; I do not. However, it’s not as cut and dried as he makes it out to be, and that fact should not be forgotten. Progress (such as it is; I’m sold on the addition of the Texas A&M Aggies in principle, but I’m not yet convinced that the expansion from twelve to 14 teams was for the best in practice) needs to keep history in mind, in order to preserve that which it hopes to enhance. To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson, half a conference may be better than no league, but, if we cannot secure all our traditions, let us secure what we can. If we cannot, well, let’s not forget what became of the bloated Southern Conference from which the Southeastern Conference sprung, a recollection which carries us from the words of the third president of the United States to the words of the 16th, who might have warned us that a conference divided against itself cannot stand.

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Even though it ended some great yearly games (Auburn/Florida) (UGA/Ole Miss)...

Getting rid of the 2nd permanent crossover opponent after the 02 season was a good move IMO. With that said, I definitely do not want games like Bama/TN, UGA/Auburn to go away.

For that reason, I’m in favor of a 9 game conference schedule eventually. 6 divisional games, 1 permanent crossover, 2 rotating crossovers.

Obviously this would limit non-conference schedules, but it’s a necessary evil IMO.

If ya can't beat em, bitch about how they illegally operate scooters

by Dawg in Beaumont on Nov 30, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a strong supporter of 6-1-2

It’s hard to say you’re in the same conference when you only play twice every dozen years (as 6-1-1 will leave us), and it wouldn’t be the SEC without UT-Bama and UGA-Auburn. My only concern is that adding that ninth game might cause people to rethink their non-conference rivalries, but I have trouble seeing us jettisoning Tech, Florida dropping FSU, etc…. then again, I’m sure us dropping Clemson was big news when that happened.

But given that, I worry that one day we might have to choose between Auburn and Tech. I think there are basically only four schools that would really fight to keep a historic cross-division rivalry, and if you give, say, Kentucky the choice of playing an extra conference game so they can keep playing Mississippi State, versus getting an extra cupcake to ensure bowl eligibility at the cost of canceling Georgia-Auburn… I just don’t know how that comes out.

But maybe ESPN can be our friend here and in$ist on nine conference games to ensure better TV matchups. It’s not like Florida vs. Furman Georgia vs. Coastal Carolina is compelling television.

by NMdawg on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, the math doesn't work with 6-1-2 across 14 teams.

You are left with holes in the schedule even an MIT calculus PhD friend of mine couldn’t figure out.
16 teams is the only way to get what we all want.
Please beat LSU….

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by DKinAU on Dec 1, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the SEC is winning all the NCs, and going to lots of bowls, and making lots of money,

I really don’t get expansion. How rich is rich enough? The idea we won’t play certain teams for years and years doesn’t seem right. I understand things change, but I am not sure having Mizzou does much of anything.

Oh well, maybe go to MO next year for a game. Go figure.

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by tankertoad on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

The power conferences are moving to 16 teams soon no matter what.

The SEC needed to stay ahead of it. I’m not exactly excited about Missouri, but the SEC could do worse.

by Biggus Rickus on Dec 1, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If we go to 16, I'd be in favor of no divisions

4 permanent rivals, 4 rotating games.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 1, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I look at it a couple of ways.

I was fine with 12 teams and didn’t really want to expand as long as I-A maintains its status quo. However, I really want there to be a day where four major conferences of 16 teams break away into a super Division I-A, so we can get a decent playoff system going with the four champions.

by Biggus Rickus on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe what we will see in the next 4-6 years

will be a 6 team Divisional SEC schedule, with a non-divisional SEC Annual Rival, a non-SEC Annual Regional Rival, one rotating non-divisional SEC game, a pay-for play FBS opponent, a home and home non-SEC FBS opponent and a pay for play FCS opponent. This would allow most pre-scheduled games to be played and avoid the cancellation penalties. After that I think we will go to a 9 game SEC schedule (6 divisional, 1 rival and 2 rotating non-divisional), a non-SEC rival, and 2 pay for play games (1 FBS and 1 FCS).

And to Hell with gatech

by Dawg2011 on Nov 30, 2011 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

You think your hypothetical UT fan's grandson will answer ""Kentucky" or "Vanderbilt"?

I don’t really care for Tennessee.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 30, 2011 9:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Long-time reader, first time commenter

This topic is of great interest to me, so I have to throw in my two cents:

I think divisional play is a must for the reasons cited, but I too hate how the current alignment diminishes traditional rivalries for certain teams. Post-season CCGs came about twenty years ago because expansion was a good idea, so as conferences continue to grow more changes should apply.

IMO 3 geographically continuous divisions of 5 teams each would be an interesting possibility. (Obviously another team would need to added… doesn’t really matter which for this discussion). With smaller localized divisions you could keep most existing rivalries. And with only 4 divisional games, you could have 2 permanent opponents from other divisions and two rotating games while keeping an 8-game conference regular season. The conference would also have the added intrigue of a semi-final round (probably played on-campus) between the regular season and CCG, and the need to select a wild-card for the 4th spot.

I’m sure there are logistical and other issues with the idea, but it addresses some of the main gripes regarding the current SEC divisional plan for next year and beyond.

by Alkaline5 on Nov 30, 2011 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for posting....keep bringing it, interesting take.

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by tankertoad on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, Alkaline5.

Interesting take. I agree that 14 is merely a way station onto a larger league, but I hadn’t thought of it in terms of 15, rather than 16, teams. Well done.

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by T Kyle King on Dec 1, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You wouldn't necessarily need the wild card

If you had a way to rank the three division champions from 1 to 3 and make the 2nd and 3rd place ones play each other in a semi-final for the chance to play the 1st in an SECCG. I would tune in. The SEC would have to alter NCAA rules to do that, but I don’t see why not. It also wouldn’t put our 1st place team at more of a disadvantage nationally than they already are by penalizing them with an extra game.

by mbrd71 on Dec 1, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's a good alternative for the semi

It would be interesting to see which one ADs preferred. The bonus revenue from an extra home game or a bye-week to prepare for a SEC title and possible NC berth. Either way, I like the idea of having additional post-season incentives.

by Alkaline5 on Dec 1, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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