Helping To Sort Out This Tailback Mess
by ChopMaster on Nov 25, 2011 9:01 AM EST
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PrintOn the 25th of November, I read an article in my local newspaper, The Augusta Chronicle. The small article was about the mess of the tailback situation. At the end, I saw a paragraph that kind of confused me, and guess who was interviewed saying it? Coach Mike Bobo, on the injury of Crowell in the Kentucky game:
Offensive coordinator Mike Bobo didn't question Crowell's toughness with his latest injury.
"You go look at the tape, the guy got rolled up pretty good on his ankle," said Bobo, who on Tuesday thought Crowell would be able to got against Georgia Tech.
The article earlier talks about the disciplinary issues and the missteps of Crowell, Thomas, and Ken Malcome. Personally, Chris Burnette did fall pretty hard on Crowell's ankle, but that doesn't excuse his lack of work ethic, his arrogance, and his lack of toughness and stamina. From my observations, Crowell goes down with the lightest hit, and even when he's injured or out, he's just sitting on the bench talking. He should be talking to the coach, reviewing strategies or plays.
This whole situation disgusts me. Crowell, Thomas, and Malcome have subjected themselves to multiple suspensions, which will hopefully teach them a lesson. Brandon Harton and Richard Samuel have not had any missteps, but are each in a hardship of their own. Harton's hardship is going away slowly, despite the fact that he was low on the depth chart and had only 11 carries for 34 yards before this season. Harton is coming into his own, rusing for 247 yards in 53 carries this season. Richard Samuel IV was a reliable back, rushing for 240 yards in 73 carries, before his ankle injury on the last play of the game at Florida, and he will not play against Tech tomorrow.
However, we do not have to look far for someone to step up for the team. We've already prepared that. Brandon Harton, Kyle Karempelis, Brandon Boykin, and Branden Smith have had carries before, and have succeeded. Below are the stats for all players who have had a carry for the Dawgs this season:
1. Isaiah Crowell 10 games, 172 attempts, 832 yards, 4.84 avg. yards per carry, 5 touchdowns.
2. Carlton Thomas 7 games, 59 attempts, 327 yards, 5.54 avg. yards per carry, 2 touchdowns.
3. Richard Samuel 7 games, 73 attempts, 240 yards, 3.29 avg. yards per carry, 1 touchdown.
4. Brandon Harton 4 games, 53 attempts, 247 yards, 4.66 avg. yards per carry, 1 touchdown.
5. Ken Malcome 3 games, 13 attempts, 47 yards, 3.62 avg. yards per carry, 0 touchdowns.
6. Kyle Karempelis 2 games, 13 attempts, 63 yards, 4.85 avg. yards per carry, 1 touchdown.
7. Wes Van Dyk 2 games, 3 attempts, 12 yards, 4.00 avg. yards per carry, 0 touchdowns.
Now, here are the rushing stats for the defensive backs:
8. Brandon Boykin 11 games, 5 attempts, 95 yards, 19.00 avg. yards per carry, 1 touchdowns.
9. Branden Smith 11 games, 6 attempts, 77 yards, 12.83 avg. yards per carry, 1 touchdowns.
Now, here are the rushing stats for wide receivers:
10. Malcolm Mitchell 8 games, 2 attempts, 19 yards, 9.50 avg. yards per carry, 0 touchdowns.
11. Tavarres King 11 games, 2 attempts, 5 yards, 2.50 avg. yards per carry, 0 touchdowns.
Lastly, here are the rushing stats for the quarterbacks:
12. Aaron Murray 11 games, 67 attempts, 107 yards, 1.60 avg. yards per carry, 2 touchdowns.
13. Hutson Mason 3 games, 3 attempts, -1 yards, -0.33 avg. yards per carry, 1 rouchdowns.
That's the stats for individual players. Here they are as a team and combined opponents:
1. Team: 11 games, 481 attempts, 2039 yards, 4.24 avg. yards per carry, 15 touchdowns, 185.36 yards per game.
2. Opponents Combined: 11 games, 323 attempts, 894 yards, 2.77 avg. yards per carry, 9 touchdowns, 81.27 yards per game.
Georgia is 4th in the conference in rushing yards per game, with 185.36, 6th in average yards per carry with 4.24, and 4th in total yards, with 2039.
So, Georgia really is among the Top 5 in the conference in rushing, just with many different backs. We do have a great variety of players ready to step up and run, including Harton and Karempelis, not to mention the defensive backs, who've done extremely well.
So who do we have to run against Tech tomorrow? This is my depth chart for the Tech game:
1. Brandon Harton
2. Branden Smith
3. Ken Malcome
4. Brandon Boykin
5. Kyle Karempelis.
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Um...
“From my observations, Crowell goes down with the lightest hit,”
then your observations are wrong, he’s broken plenty of tackles, and is by far the best natural ball carrier on the roster.
“Crowell, Thomas, and Malcome have subjected themselves to multiple suspensions”
Thomas has been suspended 3 times. Crowell and Malcome have been suspended once, which is not “multiple”\
The depth chart actually goes…
Crowell (If healthy)
Thomas (if not in the doghouse)
Smith/Boykin
Malcome/Harton (higher if options 1 and 2 aren’t available to avoid overuse of Brandon/Branden)
FBs as we say screw the run and focus on throwing if all the above are unavailable
There are several other problems with this article, but that’s enough for now.
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1. There are two types of running backs. The elusive kind, like Crowell and Thomas, and the “run you over kind”, like Trent Richardson and Spencer Ware.
2. It’s easier to see that Crowell’s the best natural ball carrier on the roster when he has 99 more carries than the guy with the next closest amount of carries, RSIV. By the way, I could tell that by looking at the stats I put on here and doing some math, no attitude intended. It’s like UZR in baseball, like you told me at a long time ago. It takes at least 3 years to fully tell if one is a good defensive player. Converting that to football is somewhat twisted in this case. You have Crowell, a freshman that’s a starter. Then you have Thomas, a junior, and RSIV, I believe a senior too, who’ve both had many more carries than Crowell, and I also believe hardly any fumbles in their college careers. Comparing Crowell to the rest of the halfbacks are kinda distorted before you look at stats.
3. By “Crowell going down with the lightest hit”, I may have confused readers. Either the O-Line falls on him one day causing an injury (Kentucky) or it takes him a while to really get going, is what I’m really seeing. It seems like a defender can put one hand on his leg or ankle or whatever and end up bringing him down, and when Crowell goes down either he lands on the wrist of his or the O-Line rolls his ankle over.
4. When I said Crowell, Thomas and Malcome I’m saying all of them have been suspended for a total of more than once. All 3 of them are or can give a good helping to this offense.
5. The depth chart I gave at the bottom was a personal opinion, but thanks for the real one.
6. Several other problems? You mean like the resourceful stats I took 1 hour to post on here? Sorry for not putting it into a table, I didn’t know how. Giving consistent statistics for each player on the team that’s rushed at least once, and matching up the team total with the opponents combined? And then ranking Georgia in the SEC? Sampling an article from my local newspaper and properly putting the quote from the paper in quotation marks? Giving my opinion on the matter? Acknowledging how much Harton has stepped up for the mistakes and/or injuries of others (Crowell, Thomas, Malcome in the NMST game and RSIV in the last few games) and trying to help our offense when it needed it (Kentucky, although he got off slowly)?
7. Not trying to judge him here, but do you really see who you’re defending here? Isaiah Crowell, an arrogant man. He’s failed a drug test and got suspended for it, he wouldn’t give up his number so Smith could be on offense when he was on the field also, when he’s on the bench he doesn’ t even watch the game or try to “work out the injury” by at least stretching nor is he trying to communicate to the coaches. Yes, he’s got the most carries and yards on the team, but with his lack of stamina and toughness I’m beginnning to doubt him. You don’t see Harton or Karempelis or RSIV failing drug tests, or being arrogant, even if they’re not high on the depth chart. They work hard, and they come to practice all the time, and they’re not late.
I’d rather take Harton, Karempelis, or RSIV that work hard every day at practice, and when they get carries they make the most of it and they run people over for every yard, than Crowell, a #1 RB prospect with a lot of yards who has failed a drug test, doesn’t have a lot of stamina, and who is evidently arrogant and perhaps somewhat selfish because he wanted to stay “#1” literally by not giving up his number so the team could possibly help themselves by experimenting by putting Smith on offense along with Crowell.
You may disagree strongly with this comment, but I stand by it.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
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RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
I think you state your case much better here, but if you think RSIV doesn't go down at first contact, we are very much in disagreement.
For his size and strength, RSIV should be killing a smaller man at times, and Malcome moves the pile better than RSIV. RSIV (with the exception of his last game where he got hurt) never lowered his body and ran through someone. He never high steps, he runs tall, his CG is always way to high. He never, ever, ever pumps his legs – stuff they teach in JV.
You may can make a case of why you don’t like IC, and there are some good points, but it’s tainted with analysis that RSIV is a better back.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I didn’t say RSIV goes down at first contact, I mean that he’s kinda the runner like Richardson and Spencer Ware that will run you over.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Does he go down at first contact or run you over, can't be both.
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by tankertoad on Nov 25, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Run you over.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
you picked both sides & went with ran over. I don't recall him running over anyone minus two good runs last game.
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by tankertoad on Nov 25, 2011 9:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’d rather take Harton, Karempelis, or RSIV that work hard every day at practice, and when they get carries they make the most of it and they run people over for every yard
I did?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Your arguments are all over the map at this point.
Editor, "Dawgsports"
"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I never recalled saying in my post or in comments that RSIV was the elusive kind. Ever since I started writing this post, I’ve always believed RSIV is the run you over kind.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Except he never has ran over anyone. He had about 3 or 4 good runs his last game. Thats it.
Editor, "Dawgsports"
"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I see, but RSIV’s tall stature looks powerful enough to truck over a man.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Looks it, but isn't
like you accuse of Crowell, he often falls down at the slightest touch and first contact.
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by the numbers then (this may come across as FJM'ing you, but so be it)
1) there’s more types than that. Musa wasn’t elusive, and he didn’t run many people over, but he was a solid back. Same with Thomas Brown, among others. Some are just a catch me if you can back, ala Demps, Rainey, Rodney Hampton if I recall correctly. Not much wiggle in the hips, but just need a small crease and goodbye.
2) I’m not a UZR advocate, so that wasn’t me. And you don’t need three years to see if a guy has vision, wiggle, the extra gear to giddy up, the natural leg drive and power, etc. Backs tend to either have it or they don’t, and it’s obvious within a couple touches. Also, Samuel has 187 carries in his career vs. Crowell’s 172. I’ve seen enough of both, as well as Cartlon Thomas and every other rusher we got, to see that the two best are Crowell and Malcome.
3) Have you ever had a 300 pounder fall on your ankle? That’s by no means a light hit. And this sentence…
“It seems like a defender can put one hand on his leg or ankle or whatever and end up bringing him down”
described Samuel aside from a couple games in his 3 years, although it’s hard to think of more than just the one against Florida. It’s a very inaccurate description of Crowell.
4) Yes, when 3 people have each been suspended, they have been suspended more than once combined. That should be pretty obvious with simple math. If you mean each of the 3 have been suspended more than a single time, I’d disagree. Pretty sure Malcome just has the once. And unless you count the ticky-tack, Meyer like first quarter suspension (which I don’t), Crowell just has the once. 1=/= multiple.
5) No comment needed.
6) I was referring to the individual, outsider view only influenced soley by media and personal perception; comments about his work ethic, his arrogance, his lack of toughness and stamina which TQCoA disporves below, that he should be reviewing strategy during games, and talking with coaches who tend to be quite busy during games, among other things. The numbers are what they are.
7) It’s pretty obvious you are passing judgment on the kid. You have no idea about the number issue, or how Richt handled that with him. Nor do you know how he responded to the suspension. Nor whether the medical staff told him not to work the injury and let it rest. Nor how well he communicates with his coaches. Nor do you know about which of them has missed practice or come late, if any of them.
Neither Harton, Karempelis, or Samuel have shown the ability to “run people over” Crowell has. Nor have they shown his stamina and durability to handle a full load against elite Ds, nor their individual personalities.
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Regarding 6 and 7, it may be true I don’t have a clue about what he’d been told by coaches and staff, and that the coaches are obviously busy all the time, but his sideline demeanor never looks positive. He isn’t “using his time on the sideline wisely” I’d say. I can tell from what I’ve seen that Crowell may feel bored or uninterested when he isn’t playing, and that he isn’t trying to better himself when on the sideline. He may be talking about the game, per say, with teammates, or perhaps he just may be b.s.ing with them. It may be true that the staff doesn’t want him to try to work it off or stretch, but he should be wanting to do anything possible to be in the game, not laying around waiting while expecting a coach to put him in.
The numbers and experience [this season] are on Crowell’s side, but after that suspension, even if it’s a one-game suspension and it falls on a money game like NMST, I really started to go left on him. He’s just a freshman, but with all these situations, and reasons for even a Georgia fan to dislike him, he doesn’t look like the kind Georgia represents. He just doesn’t look like he ever has a positive work ethic with the game to this point. He may learn if he has to in his later years, but right now he just doesn’t look Georgia.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
What does "look Georgia" mean?
He certainly isn’t as bad as Washaun Ealey, among several others we’ve had over the years.
And your comments seem very focused on the Kentucky game. Here’s a hint, try to find his helmet in any of those sideline shots of him. I don’t recall seeing it near him, which would imply the medical staff took it away to ensure he didn’t have a chance to return.
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“look Georgia” is the attitude that symbolizes Georgia. This attitude includes coming to practice on time all the time, being a true team player, never giving up, and being responsible and coordinated off the field. Washaun and Crowell, to me, have not fit this bill.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Where are you getting that he isn't "coming to practice on time all the time"?
because that’s never been mentioned once since they started practicing. Where are you getting he isn’t a “true team player”? Or that he’s “giving up”?
Those are baseless personal attacks.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 26, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I heard that after his one-game suspension he showed up to practice 15 minutes late.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
That was a very brief post on AJC that they immediately took down. Isiah showed up late for legitimate and known reasons. He wasnt loafing.
Editor, "Dawgsports"
"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
As toad says, you heard wrong
that was AJC pot stirring and trolling for hits. He wasn’t late.
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Is AJC a good source for anything not written by DOB?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
But that is where you got your "coming late to practice" you were using against him from.
Again, your arguments continue to swing both directions.
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
I’m sorry, I can’t see it.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
You mention
how he was late to practice, of which the only source was an erroneous AJC article. Then you mention how they aren’t a good source. Well if they aren’t a good source, why were you using them in the first place to claim how he’s late to practice.
I got it, you don’t like the kid. So be it. But you used a lot of errors to express your dislike. Just say you don’t like him and be done with it.
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I didn’t declare they weren’t a good source, I asked if AJC is a good source for sports/topics when it isn’t written by DOB?
But yeah, I don’t like him. Aside from injuries he couldn’t control, I don’t like all the ahem “situations” that has circled around him, especially since he’s a freshman.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
The last five words form the crux of our disagreement.
Your position seems to be that, because he’s an 18-year-old kid away from home halfway across the state for his first year of college and surrounded by all the temptations Athens offers to the average student, never mind to a popular football player, his fairly typical youthful indiscretions are less forgivable. I think it cuts the other way.
For what it’s worth, he sure seemed to have his helmet at the ready, and to be attentive to the game, all day yesterday, as though ready to enter the contest at a moment’s notice.
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Yes. All day yesterday, because yesterday was the only day that Mark Richt publicly said to the press, and highly likely that he told Crowell, that he expected him to play. Therefore, Crowell responded to this announcement by being prepared all day. Good for him, but personally I’d keep him out for LSU as was the case vs. Tech.
The last few games where he would either get injured in the first half or not be in at all was when he’d just look uninterested and unattentive to the game, because he knew he wouldn’t factor into it.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
you'd hold out our most talented offensive player...
in our biggest game of the year because of your [likely false] perceptions and personal dislike of the kid?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
This year Georgia Tech is NOT our biggest game of the year. The biggest game of the year was Kentucky. Tech was a non-conference game and we had already punched our ticket to the SECCG and we still got the job done against Tech anyway. We had known going into Tech that we’d likely pull away with the W without IC.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Well when I said ‘hold him out for LSU’ I’m meaning that I would have held IC out of Tech for the game against LSU, so he’d be rested and fully healthy.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
I don't know CM....
You may be right, but I don’t feel comfortable evaluating Crowell for anything other than his play and, I suppose, the suspension. To me his play has been way past what I expected of a true freshman. On the suspension, if we’re talking about smoking weed, well, I’ve done worse things than that.
My company hires a lot of new staff right out of college every year, and every year, I’m struck by how young they seem. Isaiah Crowell is four or five years younger. He’s a kid. I’m an adult and I do dumb stuff pretty regularly, I think that the margin by which Crowell has exceeded my expectations as an athlete makes me inclined to forgive for his only meeting my expectations as a college freshman in Athens. Come to think of it, I’m not sure he needs the athletic performance for that. That’s just my opinion, reasonable people can disagree on it.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 26, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But it sure “looks Georgia” when he does, or wants to have his helmet with him, because it makes him look like he really wants to get into the game. That’s another thing. “Look Georgia” includes using your time wisely on the sideline, going over something with coaches and players regarding the game, or watching the game, not just b.s.ing with other players. Even if he has an injury, he never looks interested in the game, and it never looks like he wants to be playing.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Looks can be deceiving...
and what about the staff taking his helmet away don’t you get? It happens quite often, mostly with concussions, but in several instances on a regular basis.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 26, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Crowell's Durability
Chopmaster,
Thanks for this, it’s a very interesting prospective on Crowell, which I think many people share, specifically where you note his lack of toughness and stamina.
There is one game this year in which Crowell did not play at all (New Mexico State). There is another in which he essentially did not (Kentucky in which he was injured after his second carry).
Prior to the Kentucky game, Isaiah Crowell had run the ball 170 times in nine games. His lowest number of carries was 10 (Vanderbilt) and his highest was 30 (South Carolina) in every other game he has had between 15 and 22 for an average of 18.88 carries per game. If you would like to count Kentucky as a game played than he has 17.2 carries per game. This means that Isaiah Crowell has either the third, or fourth most carries per game in the Southeastern Conference per game. The two people ahead of him are likely heisman trophy candidate Trent Richardson at Alabama, and Michael Dyer at Auburn. Knowshon Moreno averaged 19 carries per game in 2007 and 2008 as (I think) a redshirt sophmore and redshirt junior.
My question is, how many carries must a true freshman have in the SEC before he is considered tough and durable?
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 25, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions
Excuse the word "durability", but
What I meant by that is his inability to stay in the game. He has low stamina, and I thought durable related to not having a lot of injuries and staying in the game.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
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you can't pile up near 20 carries per game unless you
stay in the game and push through the numerous injuries he’s had.
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But then pushing through the injuries will likely reaggravate them due to one of two things:
1) The players on the other team know you’re trying to push through the injury and exploit that.
2) By chance, something happens like you trip or the 300-pound O-Line falls on you.
Besides, it sure looks like he never tries to stay in the game when he has an injury that comes up in the first quarter or so like Kentucky. That may be due to CMR’s decisions, but Crowell should be wanting to come back into the game if in fact he gets injured like he has so many times this season in the first half.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
What I am gently trying to point out is that....
there is no one in the SEC who carries the ball materially more frequently than Isaiah Crowell.
He cannot be both one of three most frequent ballcarriers in the SEC and not durable or lacking in stamina.
I agree with you that the suspensions are troubling, and hopefully they have stopped.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 25, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But with a greater frequency of carries, comes the greater the chance of injuring oneself on a play, and whether it be from a large series of rushes or one good rush, Crowell will have to take a break.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
Right,
That is certainly true, but not unique to Crowell correct? All running backs come out of the game from time to time. It would seem to me that you if you run the ball more often than anyone except for two people in the SEC, then you are a durable, tough, staminastic, whatever term you like, running back. Isaiah Crowell has run the ball more frequently per game than all but two SEC running backs (three if you count Kentucky as a game played). Isaiah Crowell is a durable running back.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 25, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I see the point now, but it doesn’t seem like he has the most frequent carries with the large combined amount of time he’s missed in the season now.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
"Here in the National League where we play REAL baseball, DH means double-header." -Me.
Dawg Sports -Georgia Bulldogs. When life gives you Gators, make Gatorade.
RIP Larry Munson. I hope there's a lot of hobnail boots for you to wear.
I know....
It’s weird. Because even after looking through the numbers my reaction is still similar to yours.
I think the thing is that Georgia runs a bunch of plays and runs the ball a lot. So even though Crowell runs it many times, there are still a lot of other UGA backs getting carries – as you very correctly pointed out.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 25, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone recall Knowshon being much worse about taking
two carries, then pulling himself during his rsSO season?
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I think I would summarize my reaction thusly:
There are three basic points here:
1) Crowell has character issues – you cite failed drug tests, laziness, arrogance, and an inappropriate demeanor when not in the game If the only argument were Isaiah Crowell and Carlton Thomas have behaved inappropriately, as a punishment they should not be allowed to play football. I would agree, and say that is exactly what happened, they were suspended, having served that suspension, they should be able to come back. With regards to jersey numbers and sideline demeanor, I don’t think that should have very much to do with Mark Richt’s personnel decisions. I accept it if you feel differently, but I disagree.
2) Crowell is ineffective – specifically that he doesn’t break tackles well enough, and does not have sufficient stamina or durability for the SEC. I think Crowell is going to benefit from a full year in a college weight room and that will improve at finishing runs. With regards to stamina and durability, I think his number of carries speaks for itself.
3) UGA has alternatives to Crowell (and Carlton Thomas) including Brandon Harton and Kyle Karempelis If we agree that we would like to see Crowell improve at breaking tackles, I think we must conclude that the same applies to Brandon Harton. Harton has been effective, however that was against Kentucky and New Mexico State. My concern with Harton as a long term answer would be that teams would scheme like Kentucky did to take away the pass. Perhaps Kentucky would have been as successful defensively with Crowell and Thomas in the line up, but I suspect that isn’t the case.
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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 25, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hope at least 4 guys named Brande(o)n score
touchdowns for us today, And one cat named Bacarri. That guy has the coolest name in the world of football.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Nov 26, 2011 8:07 AM EST reply actions
My $0.02 worth.
I think that Crowell is by far the best back we have right now. He also has some growing up to do. This off season will be huge for him. He will have been through an SEC season. He will also have the chance to get used to college and the fame that he has on campus. If he still has the same issues next season then it will be fair to judge him as having major issues. For all of his issues he was on pace to have the same number of carries as Lattimore did last year for Carolina. As it is he is sixth in the conference in total carries and his number of carries would have been 9th total last year (still two games to go). His attempts per game are third in the SEC and would have been 4th last season despite the two carry game against UK being in their to drop his per game carries. Before the UK game he was averaging over 19 carries a game. To put that in perspective only 9 running backs have had more than 20 carries per game in the last five years. (all stats per cfbstats.com) In high school I think he averaged about 14 carries a game since he was usually out of games fairly early with the games being blow outs. Next year he will know more what he needs to do to be in shape for an SEC schedule. How he does this off season will be huge to his success. If he just gets himself in shape to match this years carries but be more effective with the carries he gets in the second half of games he will have a huge year next year.
by dawgfan17 on Nov 28, 2011 11:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In high school he also had fewer carries because he tended to score 60 yard TDs.
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by tankertoad on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true TT.
Overall I think one thing is very true, defenses respect the run a lot more when he is in the game than when he is not. I really hope we bring in Gurley and Marshall to give us the depth we need. With a healthy Samuel, Thomas, Crowell, Malcome coming on late in the season, Harton being solid when called upon, and those two coming in as freshmen especially since Marshall plans on enrolling in Januarys so he would have a full off season to get prepared I think we would be in great shape next fall. Out of that group I still think Crowell would be the number one guy if he puts his mind too it. Though having other truly good options would also give Bobo the chance to make sure that Crowell stays in the 15-20 carry range if need be to keep him fresh for the second half of games and the season.
by dawgfan17 on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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