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A Gentle Reminder of Why We Call It Clean Old-Fashioned Hate

The longstanding rivalry between the Georgia Bulldogs and the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets needs no introduction to fans of college football; it is well known even to outsiders. Nevertheless, an illustrative example may serve to underscore the heartfelt passions stirred by this gridiron grudge match, and, for that, we turn to a report penned by Ed Rogers for an edition of The Red and Black published in the autumn of 1937:

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One Saturday night that fall, an out-of-town visitor was apprehended in Athens. When asked, he gave his name as Bob Dieckman, adding after it “T-41,” to indicate his standing as a student at the Georgia Institute of Technology, a status reflected in records from the period. Dieckman, who was said to be accompanied by four accomplices traveling in a 1935 Chevrolet, had come to the Classic City with a supply of Colonial yellow paint, which he used to deface sidewalks and walls on the University of Georgia campus.

Dieckman was caught by night watchman W.B. Nunnally in the act of painting the words “Georgia Tech” on the back door of Peabody Hall. Nunnally got word of the interloper to the nearby dormitories, and the students assembled posses to guard local landmarks and patrol the streets in search of Dieckman's cohorts. Dieckman himself was taken to Old College and interrogated by Nunnally and students Clark Gaines and John Wilson, whom Rogers described in the newspaper as a “Senior class bigshot” and the “chief vigilante,” respectively.

Nunnally, Gaines, and Wilson cut Dieckman's hair and painted a yellow “T” atop his bald head. The night watchman and “more than 100 howling, patriotic Georgia students” then led their captive across campus, where he was made to clean up the acts of vandalism he had committed.

Georgia freshmen were stationed inside Sanford Stadium to protect it against invasion. While ensconced in that arena, which then was less than a decade old (and which was built when it was, at least partly in response to a loss to the Ramblin’ Wreck in Atlanta), the Red and Black underclassmen burst into an impromptu rendition of “Glory, Glory to Old Georgia.”

That incident took place 75 football seasons ago, yet still we sing our song about the University of Georgia, giving glory to the nation’s oldest state-chartered university, and still they sing their song about the University of Georgia, celebrating the teaching of blasphemous profanities to youngsters, and still we celebrate our hate, which is as old-fashioned as students at the Institute vandalizing the campus of the University, and as clean as Bob Dieckman’s shaven head.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Great story

We talk enthusiastically about nerd stompings, but to actually catch a Yech vandal in the act, shave his head AND make him clean up after his sordid acts is supreme humiliation. Here’s hoping for the girdiron equivalent on Saturday.

by Tronan on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome...

Thanks for the history lesson!

"Man, is there gonna be some property destroyed tonight." - Larry Munson

by MarshDawg on Nov 23, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

It always bugs me

at the end of glory when some people substitute the school we’re playing for Tech. Like “to hell with LSU!” I don’t like that.

by Mark Mandingo on Nov 23, 2011 11:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I actually prefer it.

I sing, “G-E-O-R-G-I-A,” but, if you’re going to sing, “And to Hell with _______,” it makes much more sense to me to sing about the team you’re playing (“Spur-ri-er,” “Ten-nes-see,” “Flo-ri-da,” “L-S-U”) than to sing about some other team you aren’t even playing. Frankly, that’s a trump card I prefer to be able to break out against Georgia Tech fans.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 23, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This, this, a thousand times this!

Seriously, how horribly obsessed is Georgia Tech with Georgia that they sing songs about us year-round? They have the ultimate little brother complex.

“And to heck with Georgia Tech,” is reserved for Hate Week III and whenever we happen to play them in another collegiate sport.

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I am the 99% of Americans who love college football

by Spears on Nov 23, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I've always been a "to hell with Georgia Tech"

regardless of opponent guy. State pride!

Broadcasting live from a secure location underneath the Hell Gate Bridge

by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 23, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Every Dawg is entitled to hate Tech as he sees fit.

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I am the 99% of Americans who love college football

by Spears on Nov 23, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, at least there's room for civil disagreement upon this point in our fan base.

If a Georgia Tech fan suggested shouting, e.g., “To Hell with Clemson!” when the Yellow Jackets were playing the Tigers, he’d be excommunicated, and probably tarred and feathered, too.

“Hell,” by the way, should be capitalized. As Russell Kirk noted, Hell is a place, like Schenectady. To anyone who thinks otherwise (and I respect, while respectfully disagreeing with, those who do), “To Hell with ______” is as meaningless as “To Never-Neverland with _________.”

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by T Kyle King on Nov 23, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, if you said you were going to urinate on a Hurricane or the Eagles...

… it would just make no sense. I guess it sort of makes sense for the Seminoles, but then you’d have all the Native American groups protesting and stuff…

Editor, Dawg Sports.

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 23, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell is a place, like Schenectady....

but Heaven is a place on Earth.

Broadcasting live from a secure location underneath the Hell Gate Bridge

by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Nov 23, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I was afraid before, but I'm not afraid anymore.

Do you know what that’s worth?

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by T Kyle King on Nov 23, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not do that again.

Editor, "Dawgsports"

"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Nov 23, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In this world, we're just beginning . . .

. . . to understand the miracle of living.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 23, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You have a like a teenage thing with her too?

Editor, "Dawgsports"

"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Nov 23, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah.

It’s just catchy.

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by T Kyle King on Nov 24, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

'Twas a deal with the devil or

The lesson to take is that you can make good music if you’re chubby and on drugs, but if you want to be sober and hot, your music’s gonna suck.

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by NCT on Nov 24, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I believe this was the moral lesson . . .

. . . of the Patterson Hood song “Belinda Carlisle Diet.”

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by T Kyle King on Nov 24, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on both counts.

I usually prefer “G-E-O-R-G-I-A” (except when we’re playing Florida, of course).

(I hate Florida.)

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 23, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Objection.

I move that tankertoad be named Chief Vigilante.

No offense to MaconDawg, but tank just seems more like the vigilante kind to me. :-)

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by vineyarddawg on Nov 23, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I Concur...

… it seems petty, childish and Tech-like to include one’s rivals names in one’s own fight songs. My father taught me the nerd fight song when I was a wee lad just so that I would appreciate the classlessness to which they would stoop by including us in their own song. Now, since they cannot beat us, it reflects poorly on them more as an obsession with us.

I hate them.

Pound the nerds.

by Comin' Down The Track on Nov 23, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Bama's

fight song still refers to us and Tech. It just seems right. But then again, I’m in the minority that still thinks Tech is our chief rival. We all forget the hate because we’ve lived a good 20 years, but I remember Donnan. There’s no team more annoying to lose to.
#neverforgetjasper

by Mark Mandingo on Nov 23, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That, to me, is the crux of the matter:

I want to beat Tennessee, Florida, and Auburn.

I don’t want to lose to South Carolina and Georgia Tech.

Victories over the Volunteers, Gators, and Plainsmen are accompanied by genuine joy.

Victories over the Gamecocks and the Yellow Jackets bring only a sigh of relief at not having to listen to those people for the next year.

Manager, Dawg Sports, SB Nation's Georgia Bulldogs weblog.
Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 23, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

It is more about avoiding disaster, which certainly does bring a great feeling. But relief is not as fun as the feeling of deep accomplishment from beating a more worthy opponent.

If ya can't beat em, bitch about how they illegally operate scooters

by Dawg in Beaumont on Nov 23, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Most annoying doesn't make them most important, though.

Yeah, a loss to Tech can make a bad season suck worse, but simply beating Tech is never going to make a season great. There will be, to quote Paul Johnson, “much bigger fish to fry” towards having a great season.

by FisheriesDawg on Nov 23, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's like the old joke

What do UGA fans and GT fans have in common?
They’re both obsessed with UGA

If ya can't beat em, bitch about how they illegally operate scooters

by Dawg in Beaumont on Nov 23, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of disagree

i think the point is that UGA is is the glory of the state of Georgia and that Yeck is a nuisance and irrelevant. To hell with them, every time we sing we sing the song.

by IdahoDawg on Nov 23, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Kyle

You’ve said it well.

by Hogbody Spradlin on Nov 23, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

AND TO HELL WITH gatech

SEMPER FI and I HATE ORANGE, and GREEN notebooks

by Dawg2011 on Nov 23, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Oh for the good ol days

When manly men roamed the hallowed campus and took care of nerdish interlopers with dispatch.

by genwheeler67 on Nov 23, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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