Georgia Bulldogs v. Auburn Tigers: Too Much Information
This week, no introduction is needed. It’s the Georgia Bulldogs. It’s the Auburn Tigers. It’s Too Much Information:
University of Georgia alumnus Charles Herty and University of Virginia alumnus George Petrie met as graduate students at Johns Hopkins University, where they both became acquainted with the game of football before receiving their Ph.D.s in 1890. Herty took his degree in inorganic chemistry, returned to Athens, and served as an assistant chemist in the State Experiment Station and an instructor at the University before becoming a professor at his alma mater. Petrie earned his doctorate in history, political economy, and jurisprudence before joining the faculty of what was then the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama at Auburn. Both men organized football programs at their respective colleges---Petrie borrowed his undergraduate institution’s team colors for his new school---and, on February 20, 1892, the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry got underway at Atlanta's Piedmont Park.
When Mark Richt was new to the conference and Tommy Tuberville was among the league’s mainstays, the latter chided the former somewhat less than politely that the younger coach needed to run the ball if he wanted to win in the SEC. Perhaps that 2001 lesson still needs to be learned in 2011---Auburn ranks second in the conference in rushing offense; Georgia, second in passing offense---but there is no doubt which squad is more adept at stuffing the run game. The Plainsmen permit more than twice as many yards per game on the ground (185.7) than the ‘Dawgs do (91.2), and, while the Red and Black rank eighth nationally in run defense, the Orange and Blue rank tenth in that category . . . in the SEC.
In 1899, Georgia and Auburn played another hard-fought contest, once again at Piedmont Park. The game ended in a scoreless draw and an ugly scene, as fans flooded out of the stands and onto the field. Afterward, The Atlanta Constitution noted "the inclination on the part of some of Auburn’s men to give utterances to petty, unmanly remarks about their Georgia antagonists."
This season marks only the fourth historically in which the Bulldogs have beaten both the Florida Gators and the Tennessee Volunteers in the same autumn. Georgia went 2-1 against Auburn in the previous three such seasons, and the Red and Black captured the SEC championship in the two campaigns in which they defeated all three now-perennial orange-garbed rivals.
The 1901 meeting between the two teams also produced a tie game in Atlanta featuring no points, but, more significantly, it saw the inauguration of a pair of enduring Classic City traditions. Prior to the game, many fans wore what the Constitution described as "a badge saying 'Eat 'em Georgia' and a picture of a bulldog tearing a piece of cloth," marking the first use of the bulldog as a Georgia mascot. Afterward, the celebration of the deadlock over a rival in a game in which the Red and Black were given little chance produced in Athens bonfires, parades through city streets, the firing of the double-barreled cannon, and, for the first time, collegians lining up underneath the belfry of the Chapel to take turns ringing the overhanging bell.
If defense truly wins championships, it is no wonder that the Tigers are not in contention for any championships this autumn. I mentioned above that Auburn ranks tenth in the SEC against the run; as it turns out, that happens to be the area in which the Plainsmen display their greatest defensive prowess. The Orange and Blue rank eleventh in the league in pass defense (215.0 yards per game allowed), in scoring defense (27.7 points per game allowed), and in total defense (400.7 yards per game allowed).
Between the two ties in 1899 and 1901, there had appeared in the November 6, 1900, edition of The Red and Black an editorial headlined, "About our Football Season." Written by University of Georgia physics professor and athletic council member A.H. Patterson, it answered "some idle talk about college during the past week to the effect that our season has not been a success so far, and that it would therefore be useless to continue it" by declaring:
Now for the future. The schedule has been well arranged. . . . Much experience will be gained in breaking up the trick plays and heavy interference of the Clemson team, and a week later we have a good chance to defeat North Carolina. . . . Back from the North Carolina trip, we settle down to a week's final practice and polishing up, and then---Auburna delenda est.
Despite their aptitude for running the football, the Tigers are not in the top half of the conference in total offense, and they stand next to last in the league in aerial yards per outing. The Bulldogs, on the other hand, are third in the SEC in total defense and third in the SEC in total offense; that, my friends, is balance.
During a Facebook exchange this week with War Eagle Atlanta of Track ‘Em Tigers regarding the recent ESPN documentary "Roll Tide/War Eagle," I came to a realization about why it is that Tiger fans consider ours a "friendly" rivalry, and Georgia fans do not. As the documentary underscored, the Iron Bowl rivalry, fueled by factors from the Yellowhammer State’s longtime dearth of professional sports teams to Paul Finebaum’s radio show, has become heated to the point of becoming disturbingly dysfunctional. This phenomenon has occurred during a period in which the Bulldogs’ dominance over the post-SEC, post-Bobby Dodd Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets has led to a widespread sense of clean old-fashioned indifference, at least among the rising generation in Bulldog Nation. Our frames of reference are dramatically different; when your basis for comparison is the persistent vitriol between the Tigers and the Alabama Crimson Tide, mere contempt appears downright chummy, but, when so much of the heat has been sapped from your own in-state season-ender the way it has from ours, heartfelt disdain feels like what it is. Our definitions of nastiness and neighborliness diverge when our notions of outlying displays of dislike vary between picking sprigs from hedges and poisoning live oak trees.
As I said on this week’s podcast, I believe any betting line that installs either of these teams as a prohibitive favorite over the other is ill-considered, in light of the long history between the Bulldogs and the Tigers. There have been too many close contests in this rivalry to permit me to believe that anything other than a nailbiter is ever in the offing. In this instance, Georgia is higher-ranked, has a better record, is playing at home, and is favored, which, historically, means the Plainsmen have us right where they want us.
There is no denying that this Auburn team is much more dangerous than its record suggests, just as there is little doubt that this will be a four-quarter battle in which the victor prevails by a single-score margin. The Tigers will be the second-best team wearing orange and blue the Bulldogs have faced this season, and arguably the second-best team the Bulldogs have faced this season, irrespective of color scheme. Nevertheless, I have faith that, given the opportunities and incentives before them, the Red and Black will emerge victorious.
My Prediction: Georgia 24, Auburn 20.
Go ‘Dawgs! Auburna delenda est!
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I know Las Vegas thinks we are going to school this version of the Tiglesmen... but I'm from the new 14-team SEC, so you've got to show me.
I think our offense is going to be relying too much on the returning Malcolm Mitchell and Isaiah Crowell, who will both be rusty due to their inactivity, and our special teams will be unable to avoid tripping over their own feet (again).
The defense will play a great game, giving up only 13 points, but Murray will throw a(nother) Pick 6 and we will surrender a(nother) kickoff return touchdown in a 27-7 loss. We will also miss 4 field goals.
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The only good thing about pessimism
is that you never get disappointed. My youngest daughter is an Auburn Tigger fan, last year was a long year. :( I love to beat Auburn. Not as much as beating Florida but a lot.
I HATE the gators.
by CaptJackSparrow on Nov 11, 2011 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
I may be wrong
but when Vegas sets a spread that seems too big to be true, like in this case, the final score is sometimes is even bigger. That’s giving me a slight ray of hope in this otherwise unpredictable, historically lined up for us to lose as the team playing for a title, playing better, higher ranked, at home, etc.
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nice
I said something similar to somebody from Missoura, and they had never had that expression before. I was flabbergasted.
by Mark Mandingo on Nov 11, 2011 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's like a southerner never having heard of Robert E. Lee before.
On a side note, I have not, nor will I ever, refer to Missouri as “Mizz-oor-uh.” I can call it Missou because their own fans use that contraction of the name.
Call me crazy, but I prefer to pronounce a name the way it’s spelled*. I even say “Jor-dan Hare” instead of “Jerr-dan Hare.”
* – Taliaferro County excepted.
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by vineyarddawg on Nov 11, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
"the way it's spelled"
Really? Pronounced the way it’s spelled according to whom? English spelling is crazy. There are rules, but they vary widely and are very often subtle in their application, depending on a word’s history and the particular letter combination presented. I doubt, for example, that you pronounce the “n” or the “g” in “sing”, but utter a third consonant altogether, “ŋ”.
I prefer to pronounce place names the way the locals pronounce them, where possible. I’ve had to train myself to say “Nevada” correctly. My time in Columbus drilled that peculiar “Jordan” into my head. Boise, I believe, has a non-vocalized “s” (as opposed to the vocalized sound one finds in a “z”). There is no “t” pronounced in “Atlanta”: there’s a glottal stop between the initial “A” leading directly to the “l”, and the second “t” is elided altogether.
As for Missouri, I recently learned from some of the folks over at Rock M Nation that the Missoura pronunciation is not universal, but it is common, roughly in an urban-versus-rural (Missouri/Missoura) breakdown.
And yes, I’ve caused a few eyes to roll when speaking of Montréal or singing of Argentina (as in, “No llores por mi Argentina”). I am what I am.
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It's simple...
… I pronounce it the way it’s spelled according to me. :-)
I only observe that particular conceit with United States places, however. I try to respect other countries’ pronunciations and idiosyncrasies when I visit those places.
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by vineyarddawg on Nov 11, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Auburn has been blown out 3 times on the road
The average score of these 3 losses was 40-13 (-27). The spread for this game is about 1/2 of that average. Knowing the history of this game, I wouldn’t take Georgia ATS but the Vegas people are not fools, either.
by Dr. Morpheus on Nov 11, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
This week, I've actually been consistent.
24-20 is the score I quoted to John Frary on Monday, to Kit on the podcast, and here in Too Much Information.
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The you gotta run the ball to win in the SEC out of Tubs
was made even better the following year, when he handed off the ball only a small # of times to Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in the second half, forgetting his own advice.
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What made it doubly sweet was the fact that Georgia lost it on a running play in 2001, . . .
. . . but won it on a pass play (70 X Takeoff) in 2002.
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Gonna be loud on Saturday!
Got the family tickets for this game. So if you hear someone yelling for Bobo to run the ball, it’s me, cause I’m fairly certain he can hear me when I’m seated in SEC 228 (At least it makes more sense than when I yell at the TV).
Glad to get back to football and hating Auburn this week.
Go Dawgs!
by liftbigdiehuge on Nov 11, 2011 8:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That would be a cool ESPN add. "Barium" "Barium" Chapel Bell, "Barium"
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"The ball ain't heavy." Herschel Walker
not only was Herty a chemist ...
He was an internationally renowned chemist who revolutionized one of Georgia’s most important industries.
In an effort to preserve the rapidly dying turpentine industry of his native region, Herty devised and patented a workable and inexpensive cup-and-gutter system of gum collection. Besides producing greater quantities and better-quality turpentine, Herty’s method extended the productive life of the trees and made them usable at maturity as saw timber. By the late 1920s, some form of Herty’s cup-and-gutter system was employed throughout the turpentine region of the South.
This and more info available from the New Georgia Encyclopedia.
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Great write up T Kyle
I’m excited and as always, anxious over another battle with UGA. My main concern is the Dawgs seem to be playing with confidence and swagger at this point in the season and have all their weapons healthy.
I’m glad to read that you ‘get it’ after watching the ESPN Documentary about
“why it is that Tiger fans consider ours a “friendly” rivalry, and Georgia fans do not… Our frames of reference are dramatically different; when your basis for comparison is the persistent vitriol between the Tigers and the Alabama Crimson Tide,"
I hope the best team doesn’t win this weekend because as you pointed out in the article … that team this year is definitely Georgia.
Your one of my favorite SB Nation writers and I enjoyed the read this morning on Veteran’s Day. As I get ready to make the trek to the Athens, I want to stop and say …
God Bless our Vets and God bless our men in uniform, especially those that are in harms way.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Thanks, aubtigerman. We concur on Veterans Day; our tribute will be up in a couple of hours.
In light of reasonable constructive criticisms left here recently by an Auburn fan, and in light of commenters like you, I made a concerted effort in this posting not to say anything inflammatory, but to represent fairly the spirit of the rivalry. While I would argue that Georgia-Auburn is a more storied rivalry even than Alabama-Auburn—-one rivalry ceased for four decades; since the mid-1890s, it has literally taken a player death or a world war to keep Georgia and Auburn from playing—-there is no question which is the more intense, and I think that affects perceptions.
I hope you have a good time in Athens, with respect to everything but the outcome.
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You picked us to win!
You picked us to lose to Florida 42-13. Thus, given the margin you were off in that game, we’ll beat Auburn by an adjusted score of:
35 to -2!
To be fair, I’ll concede the -2, and predict that we’ll win 35-0.
GATA!
/just joking…my actual prediction, for anyone who cares: 27-13 Dawgs.
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Thanks for channeling and perhaps even trumping Mr. Garbin, but, personally, I think predictions re: UGA v AU are about as meaningful as throwing darts blind folded after downing a quart of Elmer T. Lee and being spun around on one foot like a ballerina.
The other reality is that, tho I very much want UGA to win and AU to be beaten (the one being as important as the other), I have never experienced a UGA victory over AU that leaves me fully satisfied. You know, something like the epic destructions of Florida in ‘68 and ’82, or the hammering administered to GT in ’02 (and, oh, to have existed for that game in ’42!). Heck, even the non-shut outs of UF in ’80, ’97 and ’07 and of GT in ’78 were fully gratifying. But I’ve never quite had that feeling with AU wins, tho a couple (‘71 and ’07) were close, and I wonder why—maybe because we’ve never fully put them in their place as we did with GT and for years with UF—and what it would take to achieve it. I’m not sure there’s even a way to score enough points in a game to sate my lust for AU destruction, and perhaps it would take a full season of UGA v AU, requiring AU to play by the rules and to field only players who are actually academically qualified and attending classes and not receiving payola (tho I suppose that might result in them fielding only porcine sorority girls). As it is, I will settle for what we can get for now, and hope for a favorable outcome, but forgive me if I don’t celebrate too lavishly unless somehow we lay 10 or so touchdowns on those…whatchamacallems (tryin’ to be nice here).
1971?
Uh, Auburn beat us in 1971. It was the game that won Pat Sullivan cost Ed Marinaro the Heisman Trophy, denied the ’Dawgs an SEC championship, and prevented Georgia from going unbeaten (something Auburn has done to Georgia four times, in 1892, 1942, 1971, and 1983).
2007 was pretty doggone satisfying, but I understand your point.
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I stand corrected...
I was thinking of the 1970 game, when a mediocre 4-4 Ga team cost the Tiggers an Orange Bowl bid, at Auburn. That was mucho fun.
The next year I actually remember well (except for, well, the year). Will never forget a loudmouthed Auburn guy (student?) hanging out the passenger window of a slow moving muscle car on Broad Street before the game car yelling, with great antimation, “Awburn gone KEEL Georgia!!!!” and damned if he didn’t turn out to be right. A revenge game if I ever saw one.
Age may have degraded my memory on dates, but things like that I’ll never forget.
Speaking of 1983
with AU and UGA going 11-1 and 10-1-1 respectively, and the Dogs assisting the cause by beating previously unbeaten Texas (a team Auburn lost to in week one) in the Cotton Bowl, do you think Auburn got hosed for the national championship that season, getting passed by weak-scheduled Miami?
It's pronounced 'Missoura'
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 11, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Back during the days of ironclad bowl tie-ins, the highest-ranked bowl winner typically captured the national title. No. 1 Nebraska lost the Orange Bowl to Miami. No. 2 Texas lost the Cotton Bowl to Georgia. No. 3 Auburn won the Sugar Bowl over Michigan. I’d have voted the Tigers No. 1, no matter how much it would’ve turned my stomach to do so.
Hopefully, I’ll see you in Athens tomorrow afternoon!
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THANKS KYLE!!
I had almost forgotten the second reason this is my favorite week of the year in DawgSports Nation (the first is the repeated use of Auburna delenda est); this is the week of the year when I usually write a hackneyed screed about the fact that Ed Marinaro was screwed in the Heisman voting.
My favorite memories of Auburn games past: 1982 – my first exposure to Larry Munson losing his mind “Look at the Sugar falling out of the sky” – as I listened to the game, I realized “here is a guy who cares as much about football as I do”. More than any one thing, Larry Munson’s call in 1982 convinced me I had found a home in Georgia.
1986 – My father’s 50th birthday. I had a job and was earning enough money to buy my mom and dad dinner at a really nice resteraunt. The game of the firehoses, it is one of the few Georgia-Auburn games that I have missed (either in person or on the radio); but it was worth it to buy the old man dinner. Hard to believe I am now older than Dad was on that night.
Go Dawgs ! – may Mark Richt be Georgia’s Scipio Africanus to Auburn’s Carthage tomorrow
by Blogger who came in from the cold on Nov 11, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will never forget 1971
That game was HUGE (with NO TV audience). The tracks were packed, Sanford Bridge was packed, an people were even standing on top of some of the science buldings. I was hoping that Andy Johnson, Jimmy Poulous and the rest could out duel Sullivan to Beasley. I cannot tell you how many times we came close to sacking Pat Sullivan, only to have him throw a completion downfield. He literally threw completions as he was going down.
Understandably, I have hated Auburn ever since. I do not feel good about this game for several reasons, the biggest being that the SEC West is so much stronger than the East this year. USCe has now been beaten by the third and FOURTH best teams in the West. I consider us to be about even with the chickens, so I think we struggle on Saturday.
The Vegas line soothes my fear, along with Richt’s history with Auburn, but I still think we lose a close one tomorrow. My friends know me to be a generally optimistic person, except for one area – Georgia football. I feel like we are going to lose every important game, but hey – I grew up with Munson and Dooley. I love to be wrong – may it be so!
Photo thought to be from the first Auburn-Georgia game. (Courtesy of the Atlanta Historial Society)
this a barn link but a lotta cool stuff on the 1st game…
http://www.squidoo.com/1892auburn10georgia0

Barns expense Report from the 1892 Game…

Above expense report edited for clarity…

by Ed Wilson on Nov 11, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Player salaries?
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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mr. Sanchez, that joke . . .
. . . put a smile on my face!
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In 1892? I doubt it.
I HATE the gators.
by CaptJackSparrow on Nov 12, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Possible.
Present-day appearances can mislead to faulty assumptions regarding ancestry.
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by NCT on Nov 12, 2011 10:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Brother King... For You.
You want this, don’t you? The hate is swelling in you now… Give in to your anger.
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