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Bribing Carolina: Making an SEC Expansion Offer the Gamecocks Can't Refuse

This may all be moot if Missouri really is SEC-bound, but, after an argument, a rebuttal, an apology, another rebuttal, and a counterargument, I thought it was only fair to take the next step by offering a bribe.

Fans of the South Carolina Gamecocks don’t want the Clemson Tigers in the SEC East. Fair enough. I totally understand and respect that. South Carolina partisans believe I overrate Clemson; well, the BlogPoll agrees that I do. Since the Gamecock faithful believe their team would be hurt by having the Tigers in the league, it’s only fair that we offer them something to make their lives easier elsewhere, in the hope of striking a balance. Here is my proposal:

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The addition of the Texas A&M Aggies and any other new members of the conference will require reshuffling the schedule, including establishing new permanent rivalries between divisions. The easiest way to do this would be to bring in two new teams, one in the East and one in the West, and make each the other’s perennial opponent from the opposite side of the divide. That, though, isn’t the only, or even the best, way to do it.

Certain inter-divisional rivalries (like Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn) are too ancient and storied to abandon. Certain others (like Florida-LSU) have become sufficiently entrenched and anticipated to warrant preserving, and then there are those (like Kentucky-Mississippi State) that inspire far too much indifference to be worth the trouble of disturbing.

The rest, though, are free to be rearranged with willful abandon. The Arkansas Razorbacks, for instance, are the Gamecocks’ permanent rival, for the sole reason that the two teams came into the SEC together. Especially in these expansionary times, this 20-year-old tie between two established members of the conference whose campuses are more than 900 driving miles apart is inadequate to justify forcing South Carolina to continue playing the Hogs on a yearly basis. If we’re going to ask the club from Columbia---S.C., not Mo.; stay with me here, people---to accept an in-state rival in its own division, we need to lighten the Gamecocks’ load elsewhere, and we can do that by making the team’s permanent Western Division opponent . . . the Mississippi Rebels.

Ole Miss has not exactly been tearing up the track of late. The Rebels went 4-8 last year, are 0-2 in conference play this year, and have inspired a fan revolt. The Gamecocks, who shared no gridiron history with the Razorbacks prior to 1992, are 7-12 against Arkansas, and this year’s November 5 showdown with the Hogs in the Natural State is liable to be daunting for the defending SEC East champions. South Carolina’s series with the Rebels, on the other hand, dates back to 1947, and Ole Miss holds only a slight lead, with an 8-7 mark. In the last meeting between the two in 2009, South Carolina upset the fourth-ranked Rebels on a Thursday night in Williams-Brice Stadium. So . . . accept the idea of giving Clemson the financial and recruiting advantages of SEC membership, and you get to (a) water down your non-conference schedule (because your year-end in-state rivalry game now is a league matchup) and (b) swap out Arkansas for Ole Miss.

That’s all well and good for South Carolina, as the Gamecocks now get a much easier inter-divisional foe, but what about the Vanderbilt Commodores, who, after taking five of their last seven from the Rebels, probably are not anxious to see Ole Miss go?

Here’s what I have to offer Vandy: Texas A&M as your permanent opponent.

Wait, what? Oh, sure, the Aggies would love to be guaranteed a virtual gimme on the SEC schedule every fall, but why on earth would the Commies, who are trying to improve their lot with a new head coach who is building a program with aggressive recruiting, be willing to play every other year in the Lone Star State?

Oh, wait . . . Vanderbilt is pushing recruiting to the forefront, and giving the Commodores the promise of a trip to Texas in alternate autumns allows Vandy to take advantage of the fertile recruiting grounds in that large and football-mad state, affording the ‘Dores a leg up on their Eastern Division coevals in that area.

All right, so that takes care of South Carolina’s problem and Vanderbilt’s problem, so where does that leave us? Our permanent inter-division rivalries are now Alabama-Tennessee, Florida-LSU, Georgia-Auburn, Kentucky-Mississippi State, Ole Miss-South Carolina, Texas A&M-Vanderbilt, . . .

. . . and Arkansas-Clemson.

Can a natural rivalry be built between the Razorbacks and the Tigers? Well, both schools long felt like the odd men out in the Southwest and Atlantic Coast Conferences, respectively. Both universities sprung from humble, and largely agricultural, beginnings before making great strides as educational institutions in more recent decades. Both teams were coached by Ken Hatfield (who left Fayetteville for Fort Hill) and by Danny Ford (whose next job after the end of his career at Clemson was at Arkansas). It sure sounds like they have a lot in common.

So there’s the deal. Everyone goes home a winner. Well, except for Ole Miss, whose schedule gets tougher at every turn because of this arrangement, but surely the Rebels are used to losing by now, and, if they struggled so mightily with Vanderbilt, surely they’d struggle with anyone, and, besides, they still have tailgating in the Grove with good-looking women, so there’s that, and, really, what are you people complaining about, anyway?

This offer will remain open for acceptance until Mike Slive announces that he will be appearing at a press conference in the Show Me State. Your move, South Carolina fans.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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The only problem ...

… is that I almost hate Arkansas too much now to let them go. There have been some sharp back-and-forths between the teams at times. But I’m not saying that I wouldn’t at least consider it. That’s easier to do right now, though, because it looks like we’re getting Mizzou.

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by cocknfire on Oct 4, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting.

I really had never drawn a bead on how South Carolina fans felt about Arkansas.

Yeah, the Missouri thing looks like a done deal, though I’ll be surprised if we sit on 14 for more than three or four years, so we could be having this conversation again soon. Oh, well; it was fun while it lasted!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 4, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, to second C&F, USC fans actually consider Arkansas a serious rival. I know this may sound strange, but the series is more heated than you might think. And I know some Ark. fans who share the sentiment.

Anyways, fun article, Kyle. Although maybe you should just bribe us with the promise that we’ll never have to go to Arkansas and Missouri in the same year if accept Clemson. That might have been more attractive.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 4, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just because you lose to them.

I know firsthand that some South Carolina fans started thinking of Vandy as a rival, too, because they started to lose to them semi-regularly.

South Carolina’s historical rivals are Clemson and Georgia (in that order). When the conference expansion/realignment happens, the Gamecocks will probably trade the Razorbacks for some other foe, and when you start losing to them, you’ll think they are your rivals, as well.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 5, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point.

UGA didn’t really care about us until we started showing some life in the series. Now we are a rival, just below Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Tech, Bama, Clemson, LSU, then USC. In that order.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florida, Auburn, Tech are the big 3, in order depending on the partuicular fan generally
I’d slot Tennessee 4, although Kyle disagrees.
History would put Clemson above, while more recent and future games would shade things toward South Carolina.

I think that’s enough rivals for one school.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 5, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evidently, I'm completely missing this.

I didn’t know we weren’t being serious before.

Perhaps it’s a side effect of the Gamecocks’ membership in the ACC, followed by independence, followed by membership in the SEC, but, because the Bulldogs have played in the same league since 1933, and with many of the same teams in the precursor Southern Conference for many years before that, we’ve simply developed a lot of longstanding series; Georgia has played Auburn, Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, and Tennessee since the 1890s, and Florida since the early 1900s.

Please understand, I’m not denigrating the authenticity of South Carolina’s membership in the SEC; I’m simply saying that, due to the transition from one conference to independence, then from independence to another conference, what might have been or become traditional rivalries have been interrupted, and what are now considered traditional rivalries (like, for instance, Arkansas, whom South Carolina had never played before 1992) are of more recent vintage.

We just have longstanding, and still-vital, series with a lot of teams, the Gamecocks most certainly among them. That requires a certain degree of sorting out among rivals. It’s nothing personal, really.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 5, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was never being serious.

Really just mild self-deprecating humor about my teams place as a rival.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool.

That was largely how I took it, but other people took it differently, resulting in my confusion. Thanks for the clarification.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 5, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone's a rival...

Even Coastal Carolina! ;)

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 5, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never much thought of it, actually.

I understood that skandrewj62j was using hyperbole; I just didn’t see it as a zinger. If I got zinged, I managed not to notice it. That’s not a slam on anyone; I just don’t see how I’m being insulted there. Sorry.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 5, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I interpreted the zing as being that those were our rivals, in that order,

because that’s who we lose to; following on what vineyard had just said. If so, it was kind of funny in a sad way. I could be wrong though.

by mbrd71 on Oct 5, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You could be right, mbrd71, . . .

. . . but, since we’ve taken four of the last five from Auburn, seven of the last eleven from Tennessee, nine of the last ten from Georgia Tech, three of the last four from Alabama, and five in a row from Clemson, I fail to see how that follows.

As I noted in last year’s postseason review of Mark Richt’s tenure, his performance against South Carolina ranks as the second worst, after only Florida.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 5, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

But not seriously asserting at all.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't necessarily require losses to view a team as a rival

I know firsthand that some Florida fans continue to think of Georgia as a rival.

"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall

by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 5, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That may be because Georgia continues to lead the all-time series by several games, . . .

. . . and the Gators’ dominance of the last two decades is very nearly offset by the Bulldogs’ dominance of the two decades before that. Ownership of the series has rotated back and forth since the 1930s.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually going to point this out.

But since Gwinnett is one of us, I abstained.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh. I don't care much about Arkansas.

I much preferred Mississippi State of our original two West rivals, and I seem to remember that being the general sentiment at the time they were reduced to one. Arkansas is just that awkward roadtrip against an unnecessarily tough foe. I’d still prefer Mississippi State to Arkansas or Ole MIss, though I know it would not be as consistent a relief to the schedule.

"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall

by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 4, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh,

I ain’t scared of you.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 5, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, you started with "Meh". I didn't read the rest.

Maybe you can start all your columns at SNG with Meh. )

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 5, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's a personal deal with me, but this "meh" thing is catching on, and I don't like it.

This is dawgsports, bring it stronger than an automatic dismissal which is what “meh” is. I don’t take anything after “meh” with any salt.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 5, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I think tankertoad deserves $1,000 just for being such a swell guy.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 5, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

People actually read S&G?

Meh. I ought to ban you for denigrate that fantastic blog of the most intelligent and upstanding kind in all Dawg blawgdom.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 5, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice!

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 5, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, the Falcons fan in me

Just hates Bobby Petrino. but now Whoo Pig Sooouie to really piss me off.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda feel sorry for the Big [whatever...can't keep up]

It almost feels like we’re picking on them and should evenly distribute the pain. I suppose that’s why they haven’t hired me to make the cutthroat decisions.

Taking Clemson instead would make us seem like less of a bully, but a lot of the SEC fans tend to pride themselves on that.

by mbrd71 on Oct 4, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant, Kyle.

This also keeps all of the East teams not named Vandy from benefiting from alternate autumns in the Lone Star state. I’m on to you, but I like it!

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

Hey, I’m just trying to meet y’all halfway here! :)

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 5, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Georgia Tech

This blog makes a good argument for adding Georgia Tech. It gives UGA the same break by changing our permanent cross-divisional rivals to Ole Miss and Arkansas (and moves Auburn to the east in a switch with Vandy, thus providing the flexibility to redo our west rivals):

http://the14thmember.blogspot.com

by DaveDawgATL on Oct 5, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey, when you are on the phone fighting the war on terror, people are standing in your office, sometimes grammar mistakes happen.

SO -

How about this:

Georgia Technical Institute is not going to be in the SEC ever. They don’t want to be in the SEC, and the SEC does not want them.

So, if you are going to be that guy, I will be that guy and make it more blunt.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 5, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all I ask.

And thank you for fighting. And thank you for making it more blunt.

- FOW

by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved this:

“Everyone goes home a winner. Well, except for Ole Miss, whose schedule gets tougher at every turn because of this arrangement, but surely the Rebels are used to losing by now, and, if they struggled so mightily with Vanderbilt, surely they’d struggle with anyone”

I had people at work looking at me funny when I nearly spit out my coffee while reading it.

"I solemnly swear to tell the truth as I know it, the whole truth as I believe it to be, and nothing but what I think you need to know."

by TX_HogFan on Oct 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

:-(

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Turns out that we're not very good at football.

by Juco All-American on Oct 5, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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