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I love my players. I appreciate their hard work and investment in our program. I feel a responsibility and loyalty to protect and stand up for them. Also, I feel it is important to educate them on all areas of life.

While my intentions were genuine, I feel it was unfortunate that things escalated to a confrontation. These actions were not representative of what this institution stands for. However, I will use it as a learning experience for myself as well as my players so that we all become better men.

Todd Grantham comments publicly on Saturday night's incident.

I wish some combination of Mike Slive, Greg McGarity, and Mark Richt hadn't put Coach Grantham in the position of having to make such a statement, but I'm glad he made sure to say he was sticking up for his players, which he was.

For the record, the only statement made by James Franklin of which I am aware is this one: "Some things got a little bit out of hand. I know myself, and I don't want to speak for Coach Richt, I like the game to end a little bit differently. Walk off the field and move forward." That sounds really nice, except he's the one who came onto the field and started pointing at players and calling out to them; he's the one who made the postgame handshake confrontational. He doesn't know whether Coach Richt wishes the game had ended a bit differently? Was he paying attention to the classy way Coach Richt handled his berating during the postgame handshake?

James Franklin is an arrogant, whiny, hypocritical jackleg, and, for what it's worth, the most lopsided final score in Georgia-Vanderbilt series history is 47-0. Let's shoot for 48-0 next year between the hedges.

Go 'Dawgs!

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Jackleg indeed!

I just saw the article on the WWL, read Franklin’s comments and had the exact thoughts you had above. Be a man and own up, just like CTG did. I LOVE he did not back away from defending his players.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 18, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

We should NEVER have gotten into the position....

…of being the stage prop for Franklin’s calculated hissy fit to begin with. Confused, sloppy play along with an almost willful, downright refusal to go for the kill and put the dirtbag opponents away early on are the underlying cause of this annoying embarassment. CMR has contributed to this culture as much if not more than anyone and it is on him to reverse it. The rest of the season will show us if he understands and is trying to make a start. Because next fall’s schedule is not going to be the relative vacation that this one is turning out to be. We’ve had South Carolina with Bad Garcia, Mississippi State plainly down from last year, Ole Miss certainly no better than they should be, Tennessee with their main receiver out – now looking ahead to a truly banged-up Florida with the same bye week advantage they have, Auburn and their horrible D at home, worst-team-in-the-league Kentucky, and an exposed, over-rated Technoid outfit. Ugly wins are certainly better than losses, but sometimes you CAN indeed have a winning season, even in the vaunted SEC, and still be a very mediocre program.

by Vindexdawg on Oct 18, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I love how some Dawg Fans think Vandy should be a cake walk every year.

Sure, we played sloppy, but Vandy played hard and stayed scrappy. At home. We won. What the hell do you want? The New England Patriots? Get real, friend.

I’m not 100% on board with the performance of this game, or this year, or even CTG’s reaction. However, I like it…I love the fight in them. They did not roll over after 2 losses, one where we got owned. I’m getting a little sick of the band-wagon mentality some Dawg fans are exhibiting.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 18, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why shouldn't Vandy be a cake walk every year?

Most of the time they’re pretty bad. In fact pretty much all of the time, they’re pretty bad. Even when they had NFL QB they were pretty bad. This year they are clearly pretty bad too, even with a winning record.

Let’s revisit this when Vanderbilt wins seven games. In one season, that is.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why should they?

Back at you. They’ve played well at home all year, they ARE an SEC school, and they AREN’T Coastal Carolina. And Franklin is trying to instill fight in them, as evidenced on Saturday.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 18, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vandy is not a cake walk. Don't throw SEC up and then say Vandy is a cake walk.

How many times do I have to say this: Last year has nothing to do with this year.

I went on record saying Vandy had passion and had been coached up.

They gave SC hell, they just couldnt convert on 3 INTs. Start watching more football and stop assuming things.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

You think I don’t think I watch the games? Tell me how many times we have lost to Vanderbilt in the last 50 years. Four? I looked this up the other day: in Nashville, we have tied once and lost twice since 1960. I know we lost to them in Sanford in 2006, other than that? We can expect Vanderbilt to not be a cakewalk (yes, I will now use that correctly, thanks) when Vanderbilt comes up with a decent team. They have been very bad for very long and we play them every year. We should beat them handily when they are bad. As they are bad almost all the time…you get where I’m going with this. When they get better my expectation of beating them will change.

I am not saying not to take them seriously—every opponent requires that respect. What I AM saying is that we should expect to beat them every year (and handily) if they continue to be as bad as they have been in the last 50 years.

I don’t see what’s so controversial about that. Expect to hammer bad teams?

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is not your Daddy's Vanderbilt.

They are a good, solid, coached up and motivated team. They are better – already. In fact, they improved so much we stole one of their coaches with gold.

You should be more upset we didnt kill Ole Miss than pulled out a tough one in Vandy. Vandy will likely be in a bowl. Ole MIss is looking for a new coach.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe they are better.

I am not upset that we didn’t kill Vandy this year.

Those are not subjects I was addressing.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're double-speaking.

You said you expected us to walk over Vandy because we SHOULD expect them to be a cakewalk, yet you are not upset that we didn’t kill Vandy?

You were addressing this very subject.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 18, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was addressing whether we should expect Vandy to be a cakewalk, and my point is simply this: Based on history, we have every right to expect that. When that changes, we should stop expecting that.

This team is better. I bet they still don’t seven games. Next year, however…not a cakewalk, I bet (and clearly not even this year).

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

And as I described extensively preseason -

history has nothing to do with current events in college football. The “change” did occur. Vandy got much better very fast.

UGA went 6-7 with a loss to Wake Forrest in 1979. If your argument made sense, then 1980 doesn’t happen.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this year not a cakewalk, at least not to me.

After seeing their scrappiness earlier this season, I was actually worried about this game. Again, I’m not satisfied 100% with our performance, but I am proud of our boys keeping it together and beating Vandy, a scrappy Vandy, in their home.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 18, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You did say you expect to beat them every year -

and I am saying that is a big assumption.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok...

You’re right, I think we should have beaten them by more. I don’t think they are very good this year, and I did say that.

But in the original post I was attempting to address the fact that we have no reason to expect not to be Vanderbilt, as the phrase “cakewalk every year” implies multiple tenses (past, present, future). When we beat a team at a 45-4-1 clip over 50 games—almost always by more than ten points, and many times by more than 20—we should expect them to be a cakewalk, if we have been paying attention to history.

I realize that can change, and probably is (or already has).

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

/internet handshake

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait...

we did win the game right?

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because we're talking about 18-23 yr old kids...

they can sense those ingrained talent advantages, and let up. They also have more Georgia kids than from any other state, so those kids are obviously wanting to prove themselves and gain some bragging rights when they head home. The motivation on both sides is drastically different, and when dealing with kids those ages, getting them to play consistently at a high level just isn’t going to happen.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This game

should have never gotten to the point where we were in jeopardy of losing, but it did. I finally viewed some of the game last night and saw a team that regressed in the 2nd half. Vandy and Franklin got into their heads a bit. Plus, I believe that Georgia did what Georgia typically tends to do during this part of the season: They start looking ahead to Florida week before the final second ticks off the clock in the game in which they are presently engaged.

We moved the ball well from what I could tell. We just continue to gaak up scoring chances against weaker opponents via penalties or poor execution. I’m still more concerned with special teams than anything else at this point. We shouldn’t even be talking about this, but we are.

BTW, some of Georgia’s best teams have struggled against Vandy. They are a perennial trap game, IMO. Next year, I think we’ll light ’em up.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Oct 18, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

We moved the ball well until the red zone area and missed a FG.

And they really screwed up for next year.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

We regressed in the second half...

… but we still won.

That’s progress over 2010. The 2010 Dawgs would have lost that game.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I want to believe.

But the 2010 Dawgs utterly demolished Vandy, and I’m not sure which Vandy team was better.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Usually the formula for "wait until next year"

1) lose games in the current year
2) envision how things will get better in the next year
3) conclude that next year will be better

However here:

1) win games in the current year
2) envision how things will get worse next year
3) conclude that things will get worse

That’s like meta pessimism.

Larry Munson would be proud well done sir.

Broadcasting live from a secure location underneath the Hell Gate Bridge

by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm a MAN, I'm 40!...

I wish our HC would stand up for his players and coaches. I personally would’ve probably had the same reaction CTG did, if I had been put in that position. I’m not a CMR fan anymore. We will get beat here in Jax. on Saturday week. I aslo think we have a good chance to lose to The Plainsmen. I’m making the trip to watch that game. And hopefully it will be the last game I witness in person under the rule of CMR.

On a side note: I’m starting to think CTG may be a good HC. Just needs to be polished around the edges. Look at what he has done with the D in the short period of time. I love that guy.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Richt should not have apologized.

I know I mentioned on another post the crap he is going to get for having done that…my take is this: Tell Franklin “I’m sorry it happened,” “we’ll look into it,” “great game,” and get out of there. Mark Richt, you don’t know what your coach and player did or did not do and you’re getting one version of events, yet you are taking full responsibility?

The problem here is that new Franklin has been allowed to assume the moral high road that he clearly does no deserve. You just don’t put your people in a position of weakness like that unless you’re 100% sure they deserve it and you’re trying to save face….and even then perhaps not because you don’t want the other guy thinking too much of himself.

This is a cluster***k all the way around. Nice job, coaching staff.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Tankertoad,

Weren’t we just debating the need to support one’s players, and weren’t we both on the side of doing that? We were debating HOW one does it, I think, right?, not WHETHER one does it.

Do you see how Mark Richt did not do that in that exchange?

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talking to the other head coach is not the time to stick up for your players

Talking to the other head coach while he’s jawing at one of your players is the time to stick up for your players.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does "stick up for your players" mean? Does it have to mena yelling and screaming?

To me that means, among other things, not immediately accepting blame. That’s caving.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

A handshake is the time to say "good game coach."

There’s no reason to get into particulars there. Coach Richt was right to disarm the situation and just let it slide. It’s not like he was going to change Franklin’s mind during the handshake, and Richt comes off looking like a grownup – moreso than either Franklin or Grantham. The less you say and the quicker it’s over, the better.

Grantham had already done all the sticking up that needed doing.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Jackwagon?

I think R. Lee Ermey might be just what is needed for Coach Franklin’s woes.


“Try winning a game before you trash talk, ya jack wagon!”

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We don't always agree.....but I'm with your on this TT

Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the Dawgs of war; - Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 1

by Vietnam Dog on Oct 18, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fire Richt!

For being the sane one in this situation!!! He doesn’t have enough rage to coach!!!!……….come on guys.

by Mark Mandingo on Oct 18, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I think you're missing the point...

I don’t want to fire CMR because he is sane. I want him gone because he is not the HC that UGA needs. He is a great man and I have a ton of respect for him. But being a great man, isn’t going to win UGA anymore football games. I understand we’ve only lost two this season. But the first game of the year, we didn’t even show up for. Which was our biggest game of the year and they should have been ready, and they were not. Just like every year CMR has a good team, HE lets them lose to a lesser team and it ruins National Title hopes.

However: I would like a coach that would only apologize if there needed to be an apology.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

National title hopes?

Get real. We had no good returning RBs or WRs. In the 2nd year of a new defensive scheme. We had SEC East title hopes. And still do.

Additionally if you think the BSU game was our “biggest game of the year” then you are crazy. Looking at our performance week1 vs week2 it looked to me like we prepared more for SC all offseason than we did for BSU because the coaches knew which game was truly more important.

by nicemlt on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, National Title Hopes.

I was refering to 2006(Or was that the ’07 year?) when we lost to USC and Tenn. Who we were clearly better than. Not the year we lost to Alabama, but that game also serves a good point. Not one year have we been ready for every team we have played. More Talent, less wins.

Biggest game of the year to that point. And not a Coastal Carolina Game. Sorry I wasn’t more specific. Had we been ready for the BS game, confidence and momentum would have carried us through a USC team that we should have beat.

Also, this is college football, and I know I’m not the only one who knows how important it is to win EVERY game. Downplay all you like, but a win in the BS game would have been great for our program, but our HC did not have his team ready to play.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

BSU started mostly upperclassman, a lot of seniors, a lot of RS Seniors (thats 23 year olds) and just came off a big bowl win.

UGA played mostly freshman and underclassmen, often true freshman, and just came off a bad bowl win.

Explain to me specifically what you wanted Coach Richt to do to take 18 years olds in their first game to be more prepared?

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Clue.

He’s the coach. That is his job. Not mine or yours. I guess I’m the lone Nutjob that thinks that our team wasn’t ready to play on that day. I’m the only one who thinks they looked just like the did in the Liberty Bowl last year, with the exception of 1 Boykin 80-yd run. They looked flat, out of position and confused about why things weren’t going there way.

What’s the age of our O-Line. Pretty sure it’s not 18, and pretty sure they had alot to do with that Loss.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one will disagree that we looked horrible, however,

we bounced back very well. And the fact still remains that in terms of age and confidence BSU was well ahead of us.

Any doubts on what UGA would do with BSU’s schedule? We looked bad, I stated we weren’t prepared, but whereas UGA can (on paper) win the east and win the SEC – BSU will still be BSU, hanging 50 on teams you never heard of.

Put 2012 on your schedule. This is rebuilding year that started with a rebuilding program against a team at it’s peak. When BSU’s seniors clear out next year, they will not be top 10. UGA has a chance to be.

Our O Line’s issue is depth. You can blame recruiting on that fairly. But we simply have no one left.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I just feel like there are alot of things that the Coaching staff could do a better job of, like recruiting to make us a better football team.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I may not be understanding this.

But are you singling out this coaching staff for poor recruiting? Because I can think of a lot of things they’ve done poorly (special teams coaching, player development across the board, discipline and conditioning) but recruiting is not one of them. There are more former 4 and 5 star players in Athens than most anywhere else. And while stars are not everything, Orson Charles, Aaron Murray, Garrison Smith, Deangelo Tyson, and all of those other consensus high school All-Americans were recruited just as hard by Florida and Alabama as they were by us. Again, it’s not been the grocery shopping. It’s been the cooking itself. We’ve turned a lot of filet mignon into hamburger helper over the past few years.

And pray tell, who exactly is “the coach that UGA needs?”

Now on Twitter at @MaconDawg. Same great snark, fewer characters!

by MaconDawg on Oct 18, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish we had all the good players from Alabama's roster, plus all the good ones from LSU's roster.

Except only the ones with impeccable character and only the ones who aren’t better than our guys. I always want senior experience and freshman enthusiasm. The stove must always be on, the cupboard full, and the fridge perpetually full of small-batch seasonal beers that have more taste and are less filling. My cake should be on my plate and in my mouth but never around my midsection.

Really, I’d be fine if all of our 5*s lived up to their potential, if all of our 4*s were all-SEC, if all of our 3*s started as redshirt freshmen, and if we had at least five 2*s who make game changing plays. We should get all the best in-state talent every year, along with the best players from other states.

Why do you ask?

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is an excellent post!

For an AJC message board.

(nice job)

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only because I'm in the habit of stating others' cases ...

Perhaps it’s not the recruiting, generally, but the planning for filling positions of need. We could sign the best 25 WRs in the country for a given class. That would be a really crappy recruiting job.

On the other hand, nobody has a crystal ball, and balancing a class is at best an educated guessing game, what with injuries, dismissals, wanderings off, etc.

by NCT on Oct 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, I wasn't sick enough already?

You had to go and make me want to puke, too?

There’s not enough NyQuil in the world to get an even remotely sane human being drunk enough to think Mike Leach as the head coach of the Georgia Bulldogs is anything other than the most horrendous idea doomed to disaster since the Edsel. Maybe it’s just me, but I like having an established tradition, showing a little class, having quarterbacks drafted by the NFL, playing defense, being able to run the ball, and attending conference championship games, none of which are even remotely close to Mike Leach’s wheelhouse. This guy has “Kentucky head coach” written all over him, which means he doesn’t have “Georgia head coach” written anywhere near him.

Do . . . not . . . want!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put, good sir. +1.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

We know my feelings on this.

’Nuff said.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and my feelings, especially on him as HC have also been said

seen the pic in response to Kyle, that was said with tongue firmly planted in check.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I told you we'd rekindle the debate! ;)

/finger stuck sharply up my nose! ;)

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

“The doctor said I wouldn’t get so many nosebleeds if I’d just keep my finger outta there”—Ralph Wiggum

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is SOP

Both coaches acted like idiots. And eventhough I had very little problem with Grantham’s actions, he lost his cool and that reflects badly on the school. This decision to apologize probably came straight from the AD’s office. Even if it didn’t, that’s the kind of coach Richt is. If you don’t want him as coach. Fine. But this has nothing to do with W’s and L’s.

by Mark Mandingo on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not so fast my friend -

You throw CMR under the bus, then CTG. You want fire, then bemoan the fire. You don’t think CMR talked to CTG privately? Well,. he did. CMR was calm, cool and collective in the heat of the moment and he is the HC, not CTG.

THe “bad reflection on the school” is media hype. Franklin started it, looked for it and instigated it.

Maybe try slamming Franklin as equally as you do CMR and CTG.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Due to website design -

this looked like it was directed at me, and perhaps you meant it at Dirty South.

If that is indeed the case – I sincerely apologize. If i was intended at me, then I am back to where I stand.

However, please don’t use “chill” as a response, simply explain out your thoughts.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No apology

For the record, nothing up there in that quote is an apology. I love the statement in what it does not say (“Sorry to Vanderbilt, Coach Franklin” etc.).

by WindyCityDawg on Oct 18, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope this whole bye week isn't going to be devoted to this nonsense.

Georgia’s great-Vandy sucks. We won-they lost. Close, sloppy wins in games that you didn’t think would be are still wins. In fact, they are a hallmark of any LSU season and their own comment-board coaches will preach about firing head coaches and coordinators as they’re on their way to a national championship. Every team has them,lets move on.

by mbrd71 on Oct 18, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

and that was the point all along

and it looked like it worked like a charm. I guess Grantham is McManus.

by Mark Mandingo on Oct 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't. First and thom mad a funny and you are looking like the new Muckbeast.

The media spun this. Franklin was acted just as, in fact more than, a jack wagon than our coaches.

Let me come to your house and point and curse your people. ANd then lets see if you don’t have a response of some sort.

“Worked like a charm” – whatever. The charm is that our team saw CTG supports them, we won a scrappy one, and Vandy really, really screwed up for next year.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe - but while I think that Grantham and Richt did right and Franklin did wrong...

… I also think that Franklin made a calculated play. He wanted to make a statement to his players and to visiting recruits, and he made that statement. I think he has been a punk about it, and I imagine that he will have to deal with a pissed-off UGA squad next year, but I can’t completely fault him for trying to make the point he made.

What I do fault him for is going all pure-as-the-driven-snow after the fact. He picked a verbal fight with a player and got a verbal fight with a coach. Own it, big boy. You got what you asked for.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness to MM

I think he got first and thom’s joke and was continuing it. McManus is a Usual Suspects reference too right?

And I think that your point TT, that the media spun this is what MM is saying by the trick (of making the world think Vandy exists) worked like a charm; because of Franklin’s actions, the media spun the story, and Vanderbilt is shown positively.

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by The Quincy Carter of Accountants on Oct 18, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if UGA looks at a scooter sideways - the media will hype it.

Franklin had no calculated actions – he was pissed and just lost. He had no overarching plan – it just worked out to his favor with Vandy fans. He walked on the field with gestures and yelling and CMR tried to be calm and cool.

Franklin was just being Franklin. There was no strategy or plan or thought. He was pissed because he lost.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude.

I don’t get why you’re banging on Mark Mandingo. He made two posts that I think were meant to be jokes.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was telling you to chill out because he was joking in his "Fire Mark Richt" post above.

DirtySouth85 came back and apparently was serious about wanting to Fire Richt, but it seemed to me like Mark Mandingo was being ironic-like.

If Mandingo was not joking, then I just missed the boat and apologize. If all he was doing was trying to make a joke in the first place… then I agree, we just need to cool down a little bit.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the public -

If MM meant no harm, I apologize, but it read very personal to me.

I don’t want any dawgsports readers to respond with personal attack or a “chill”. Explain your position and thoughts clearly. It’s ok to disagree.

My apologies to Mark Mandigo if he wasnt trying to be personal. I just ask to not make it personal with a personal attack such as “your as calm as CTG”.

I apologize for my part in any misspeaking.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too. Many. Apologies.

CTG must have you guys all fired up. If you read the quote, it doesn’t appear to me that he ever apologized to anyone. The word “sorry” does not appear. The word “apologize” does not appear. The words Vanderbilt and James Franklin are no where to be found.

“I feel it is unfortunate…” That’s about as non-apology as you can get. And personally, I love it.

by WindyCityDawg on Oct 18, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies are only to Mark Mandigo for any misunderstanding.

My stances on CTG and CMR are unchanged.

My stance on being told to “chill” are unchanged.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make a good point, WindyCityDawg. I noticed that, as well.

Regarding subsequent misunderstandings here, it looks like everything has been straightened out and everyone’s position has been made clear, so I think we’re clear to move forward on good terms, with all forgiven and forgotten, and all ire directed at our rivals, rather than at ourselves. Carry on, everyone.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'd agree...

no need to apologize, but it is unfortunate he reacted so strongly. He could have done so a bit calmer, but que cera, cera. We move on and go to a Party in two weeks. Let’s hope Grantham isn’t “that guy” again this year.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grantham and Richt, together again

Who knew they had a Walter & Dude thing going on? I think you’re onto something big there. Mr. Sanchez.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grantham was quoted following Saturday's game as saying

“This is what happens when you ____ a stranger in the _!

Sacrificing goats, chugging Maker's Mark, and walking underneath The Arch.

by RedCrake on Oct 18, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Now that you mention...

sans the marijuana and bowling, we might have something.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

The article on Sports by Brooks

hints that the SEC is investigating. I hope they investigate the entirety of the game. I hope the hammer #39 from Vandy for instigating a fight on the kick-off with Zander (the play that led to one of Williams PF). If they do that should lead to corrective actions against the officiating crew. Two refs watched the entire exchange and only moved in after Williams entered and then only flagged Williams. I hope the SEC investigates the reasons that would make a calm, cool headcoach chase a play in action down the field yelling at the defender (Franklin chased Williams down field during coverage, yelling. The ref WARNED him….should have been a PF on the bench for the coach leaving the box). And mostly I hope the SEC investigates why a head coach feels he has the right to point and shout at a player once the game is over. I said it after Franklin’s press conference and I stand by it; he is a classless, tacky, moron who is acting like a spoiled brat when he gets called out for his actions. He cannot claim innocence after acting the way he did the ENTIRE game.
Could CTG have handled it a little better…..SURE, but I respect him more for the way he did handle it.
I think next week’s On Notice Board should strart with Adams, then Slive then Franklin and the the SEC refs. This is my last rant (unless Adams or the SEC do something stupid against CTG) and I am moving into my extended HATE WEEK.

I HATE ORANGE and GREEN notebooks

by Dawg2011 on Oct 18, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It would be nice...

but I doubt the SEC will punish any of the refs. If they do, we probably won’t hear about it.

by AcworthDawg on Oct 18, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will be so stupid if CTG receives any punishment.

I thought this was completely unthinkable (apart from maybe a nominal fine) until I saw the talking heads over at the AJC calling for a one game suspension. Adams, McGarity, and Richt need to stand up for Grantham here. I’m so sick of this notion that this “looks bad for the institution” (sort of referenced in Grantham’s pseudo apology). Personally, I think it looks great that a coach will go to the mat for his players. He didn’t punch out a player, didn’t fight anybody, just yelled back at a coach that had been yelling just as much. We need more of this passion, not less.

by WindyCityDawg on Oct 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HATE

I see the UF game being another barn burner this year. Even though we should beat them, I walk into that stadium in Jacksonville every year expecting a Loss.

I feel like a whipped puppy.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

expecting a loss...

"Never, never, never, never give up."
Now stand and clean your self up. We got this. NO worries.

There….. " now we can be friends again".

by AthensHomerDawg3 on Oct 18, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tombstone Reference= Awesome

And don’t make me call you out for being to optimistic. You see where that almost got us in trouble against Vandy.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expecting a loss? Never.

Mentally and psychologically prepared for a loss?

(sigh)… I gotta admit… yeah.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sir...

Are a wordsmith. Lol. You put that much better than I did.

From one Murray to another.... BEAT UF!

by DirtySouth85 on Oct 18, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Combination of personalities

There has been some criticism here of both Richt (for quickly apologizing) and Grantham (for, perhaps, going a little overboard). Personally I think this is a perfect combination.

I’ve always liked the fact that Richt was a pretty level-headed guy. That said, there have certainly been times when I wanted more yelling and enthusiasm out of him. I like that in Grantham, and I think the combination of the two might be a perfect recipe to right the ship that has been Georgia football the past few years. I have no problem with how either coach acted. While the performance on the field left a little to be desired, I don’t fault the outspoken coach for speaking a little too loudly and I don’t fault the level-headed coach for speaking too calmly.

by WindyCityDawg on Oct 18, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd.

I absolutely agree, WindyCityDawg. Mark Richt, Todd Grantham, and Ray Drew have different roles, and I approve of how each of those three men handled his individual role, and of how the three roles meshed together. Well said.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fault him and...

the dirty play of his players. A man can only take so much. Vandy was annoyed by Wiliams talking trash? I’m sure Geathers was annoyed by some punk trying to end his career.

Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

by Droz on Oct 18, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Isnt that what my entire 3 day rant has been about?

Franklin caused this incident. And Vandy praises him. There should be no discussion at midfield unless these coaches are already friends or something.

“Good game Coach” Shake hands – leave. He came off the sidelines read to roll. And then did a “woe is me” in the media. CMR tried to talk the dude down.

TKK has repeatedly pointed out that Franklin came out first pointing and jawing. Repeated commenters have stated a camera angle showing his angry face should go along with CTG’s angry face. IF you hang CTG, make sure to hang Franklin as well is all I am saying.

Coach Franklin didn’t “get his team’s back” or “stand up” or “show fire” nor was this some planned strategy or tactic. He came out like an immature, just lost a game, emotional idiot and he deserves at least as much equal bad press as UGA.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

For being the north end of a southbound mule.

I’m glad we have our guys and not his. I am glad we have Richt and not Franklin. I think Grantham and Williams and Geathers can do better, but I won’t take no crap from Franklin.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I stamped this


and AMEN

I HATE ORANGE and GREEN notebooks

by Dawg2011 on Oct 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit, Dawg2011...

… the answer to “And let the choir say…”

… is “I hate Florida!”

:-)

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got that covered in my autosignature

except I spread the hate to all things of that evil color

I HATE ORANGE and GREEN notebooks

by Dawg2011 on Oct 18, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll salute you on your hate of all things orange...

… but, to me, Florida rises above that level.

When it comes to Florida, I choose to judge them not by the color of their jerseys, but by the content of their character. In fact, I dream of a day when ALL of the children in God’s country, Georgia fans and South Carolina fans, Ole Miss fans and LSU fans, Alabama fans and Arkansas fans, can join hands and yell in unison…

WE HATE FLORIDA!

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like the Martin Luther King theme to preparing for Hate Week.

Maybe DavetheDawg can exhume and republish his famous 1985 “Letter from the Jacksonville Jail.”

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few corrections to your entry above vineyarddawg

I’ll salute you on your hate of all things orange of the evil color…
… but, to me, Florida Flurda rises above that level.

When it comes to Florida Flurda, I choose to judge them not by the color of their jerseys, but by the content of their character. In fact, I dream of a day when ALL of the children in God’s country, Georgia fans and South Carolina fans, Ole Miss fans and LSU fans, Alabama fans and Arkansas fans, can join hands and yell in unison…

WE HATE FLORIDA FLURDA!

I HATE ORANGE and GREEN notebooks

by Dawg2011 on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I choose to excoriate Florida with words rather than by resorting to silly word tricks.

I can call them the Florida Gators and still tear them down one verbal brick at a time.

Besides, it makes the Gators look like the childish ones when they use terms like “the puppies” or make fun of our dead mascots.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

point taken

I HATE ORANGE and GREEN notebooks

by Dawg2011 on Oct 18, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Franklin was the instigator of all of this.

Everything a Georgia player or coach did was a reaction in retaliation to an action taken by a Vanderbilt player or coach. That doesn’t justify it in every instance, but Kwame Geathers committed a personal foul in response to the dirty play of the Commodores. That doesn’t mean Geathers shouldn’t have been penalized—-he should have been, and he was—-but it does mean the dirty play came from the other side, not from our side.

Had James Franklin walked out to midfield, silently shaken Mark Richt’s hand, and kept his pie-hole shut, Todd Grantham would have remained completely calm. When Coach Grantham saw and heard Coach Franklin displaying the unmitigated hypocritical gall to call out a Georgia player after the way Coach Franklin and his team had been instigating the chippiness all night, Coach Grantham said something, though he didn’t go completely ape until the security guard shoved him. (Once again, the laying on of hands came from the other side, not from ours.)

Do I fault James Franklin for anything? I fault James Franklin for everything. Without his actions, there’d have been no reactions. Had Bobby Johnson or Robbie Caldwell been coaching Vanderbilt in this game, there would have been no problem whatsoever.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's what I said. Or something.

"The ball ain't heavy." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, with one reservation

Shawn William’s first personal foul was on him alone. It was a late hit that wasn’t retaliation and was not following on the heels of anything directed his way, IIRC. It was a penalty and was correctly called.

I see things that I want to change about this team, and I hope that Richt & Co. see those things and change. Theirs is the criticism that leads to improvement in the play and character of our team. There are improvements that need to be made, and all of the actions I have seen are consistent with those improvements appearing. See, e.g., Ray Drew’s comments.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

On the whole, we’ve cut down on the personal foul penalties, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t still some, and I’m not defending personal foul penalties, even in retaliation. I just think the media portrayal of Todd Grantham as the instigator here is way, way off base. There’s still a valid case for the proposition that our coaches and players should’ve handled themselves better, too.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on.

The true narrative is that we’ve played better, more-intense defense while also managing to commit fewer penalties. And that James Franklin is a toolbag.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

While that was...

… a late hit I don’t think it was a dirty play. It was one of those shoulda/coulda pulled up kind of things.

by Bard Parker on Oct 18, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment: not a dirty play in my book.

However, it still deserved the flag. In general, I like it when I don’t have to defend somebody who broke the rules. Sometimes late hits will happen. If it had been Williams’s only infraction for the night, nobody would remember it.

by first and thom on Oct 18, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, Geathers should have been ejected

he threw a punch. If you do that, you go. Plain, simple, and there is no room for interpretation. It’s not a mens rea situation, it’s actus reus (I hope I’m remembering this right). Throw a punch, get ejected, and mental reasons why are immaterial.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything about menses reda or anal rectus or whatever...

… but I don’t really think Gathers threw the kind punch that gets you ejected. He definitely made a “swinging motion,” but he was on the ground, practically lying on top of a guy that had just tried to break his knees. He was frustrated and gave him a little “business,” but I don’t think it qualifies as throwing a punch.

When we talk about “throwing a punch,” I picture a guy swinging in the air at another guy, trying to fight and stepping over the line. Gathers was frustrated and gave him a little “how do you do” at the end of the play. Was it illegal? Sure. But I don’t think it rose to the level of ejection-worthy offense.

Besides, he was right in front of at least 4 refs, all of whom threw flags. If he’d clearly thrown a punch, they would have ejected him, I think.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Personally,...

I think they gave him leeway. They all threw flags cause they saw Geathers drop what looked to me like a hard forearm shiver, and saw Stewart go for the knees to deserve that shiver. But imo, the reason why you throw doesn’t matter. Even in the most justified of situations, throw a “punch” and I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether it constituted a “punch”, but it’s commiting the act that matters, not the mental state behind the commission.

Either way, I’m glad it wasn’t deemed an ejectionable punch, because I want Kwame the Killer for all of the Cocktail Party (and I will ALWAYS call it that, Adams be damned).

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 19, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

For not acting like a grown up...

and letting Mark Richt handle his own kids. If he had a problem, tell Richt. Don’t go after the kid, or if you are, go after your own for their dirty play.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

James Franklin: Don't be an arse. At the end of the game, shake the hand and move on.

Todd Grantham: Learn how to defend your players without completely going nuts.
Mark Richt: Resolve conflicts through statements that apologize for the circumstances without immediately assuming blame for them.

DawgSports: You are almost always voices of impeccable reason. Those other media outlets SUCK. We need you all to be those voices of reason while providing support for our unbalanced fandom. And thank you for the service you provide and the time you dedicate to it.

rbubp: Jeebus, don’t you have things to do today? Clearly you are completely under-employed. Get on it, Bobo! Or Jackleg! Or jackwagon! Or whatever you are!

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, rbubp.

That made me laugh. Of course, I’m sick, so making me laugh also made me cough, but, still, I appreciate the thought. Rec’d.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did that on purpose, TKK.

Practicing my Franklinesque moves to foment world domination, there.

by rbubp on Oct 18, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bet that when James Franklin was a kid...

… he was the kind of kid who went and tattled to the Kindergarten teacher because one of the other students was making fun of him because his cubby-hole was on the bottom row.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Franklin is Urban Meyer without the winning.

I think a fellow shouldn’t be a bully or a crybaby, but, if he’s going to be a bully or a crybaby, he needs to pick one and stick with it. Being a bully and a crybaby is just poor form.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not sure I understand why "they" had Grantham put out that statement.

It is not an apology. (Not that I am saying it should be.) It is not specific enough to be an explanation. (Not that it needs to be.) Don’t like the use of the passive voice and vague reference to unfortunate events. I think it would have been better left alone.
The only statement I want to hear is that we will start controlling the line of scrimmage get some pressure on the QB consistently.

by hbtd on Oct 18, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It reminds me of the episode of "Sports Night" . . .

. . . where Dan said in an interview that he favored the legalization of marijuana, and the network suits got uptight about it, so Isaac ordered him to apologize. “To whom? For what?” Dan asked. Isaac replied, “Who cares?”

Sometimes in life, we are called upon to do things that look like apologizing, to avoid appearing insensitive to the hypersensitive. In this case, the only apology Todd Grantham needed to issue was, “I’m sorry James Franklin insists on dishing it out, if he can’t take it.”

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect post!

Especially since I read somewhere that Coach Jackleg stated there was no “coaches’ manual” on “post-game etiquette.” Are you F’N kidding me?!?! You need a manual? To do what every coach has done at every level for a GAZILLION GAMES, over the past 120 years?!?! This has all melted down to absolute absurdity. Hence, first and thom, my kudos to your magnificent post.

I had respect for Frank…er Jackleg, until all of this transpired.

Success is never final. --Winston Churchill

by Inteljumper on Oct 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

CMR

Handled it well from what I saw. Franklin reminds me of a baseball manager who gets tossed after kicking dirt on an umpire just to fire up his team. Cept you are supposed to do that during the game. CMR is class, level headed and a leader. His team comes to reflect that. Look around the SEC and find me a coach like him. As long as his DC and others bring some rage when needed, he can maintain the plan. You could have a Saban, who throws a player or the whole team under the bus in a loss, or a Miles, who whores for the media. When BSU coach Petersen had his team take a knee 3 times inside 5 yard line instead of running it in for style points, that reflected not just his style, but the respect he has for CMR. BTW, please crush Florida.

I will root for Alabama or Ohio State if they play the Chinese...maybe.

I will root for Auburn if they play Al Qaida, Hamas or the Phillies

by HSridge on Oct 19, 2011 2:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

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