Mark Richt and Vince Dooley: Georgia Bulldogs Head Football Coaches on Parallel Courses?
Yesterday, I compared Mark Richt’s fourth down decisionmaking against the Clemson Tigers on August 31, 2002, and against the Central Florida Knights on December 31, 2010. The more I thought about that analogy, the more I was reminded of similar disparities in the calls made by Vince Dooley against the Country Gentlemen:
There also are coaches who demonstrate through such decisions when they have crossed the line between risk-taking and risk-aversion. Following impressive early successes in his first five years as the head coach at Georgia, Vince Dooley went through a rough patch in his next six seasons, finishing at .500 three times between 1969 and 1974.
The program again rose to a lofty level, led by Erk Russell’s "Junkyard ‘Dawgs" in the Cotton Bowl campaign of 1975 and the Sugar Bowl season of 1976. It was in that climate that the Red and Black welcomed Clemson to Sanford Stadium for the second game of their fall slate on September 17, 1977. The Tigers had not won in Athens since 1914 and Coach Dooley had gone 10-1 against the Country Gentlemen in his career.
In their first year under Charley Pell, though, the Fort Hill Felines held a 7-0 lead on the Bulldogs between the hedges with 25 seconds remaining in the game when Coach Russell’s defense held Clemson on fourth down. From the Georgia 42, quarterback Jeff Pyburn tossed a lateral to tight end Ulysses Norris, who hurled the ball downfield to flanker Jesse Murray. The Red and Black receiver came down with the ball in the midst of four Tiger defenders for a 50-yard gain to the Clemson eight yard line.
Two plays later, Norris caught a Pyburn pass in the corner of the end zone with six seconds left. Despite a five-yard delay of game penalty on the conversion attempt, Coach Dooley elected to go for two points and the win. Pyburn rolled out under pressure and threw too high for the leaping Norris to bring in the aerial, producing a 7-6 setback for the Classic City Canines.
The outcome altered the course of both programs, and of the rivalry. Georgia went on to post its only losing season of the 25-year Vince Dooley era. Clemson, which did not attend a bowl game between 1960 and 1976, received a Gator Bowl bid and became a regular fixture of the college football postseason in years in which probation did not prevent the Tigers from appearing in bowls. Between 1977 and 1987, the Bulldogs and the Tigers went 5-5-1 against one another in what became the country’s most closely-contested rivalry.
The lone tie came in 1983, when Georgia was coming off of a 33-3 three-year run during which the ‘Dawgs won one national championship, played for another, and captured three straight conference crowns. The Red and Black were ranked seventh in the coaches’ poll when they traveled to Death Valley on September 17, 1983, six years to the day after the failed two-point conversion against the Country Gentlemen.
Georgia trailed 16-6 heading into the fourth quarter. Defensive end Calvin Ruff recovered a Clemson fumble to set up a 14-play, 54-yard drive including a fourth-down conversion near midfield and a pair of third-down conversions inside the Tiger 20 yard line. An eight-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Todd Williams to tight end Clarence Kay with a little over nine minutes remaining made it decision time for Coach Dooley. The Bulldogs were behind 16-12 and had to choose whether to kick the extra point or go for two.
Coach Dooley sent in placekicker Kevin Butler for the point after and he made it a three-point ballgame. The game ended with a 76-yard Georgia drive that set up a 31-yard Butler field goal with 38 seconds to play. (The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, unaware at the time of the last-second heroics Butler would pull off against the Tigers one year later, published a photograph of the kicker the following day with the caption, "The Butler did it.")
Afterwards, Coach Dooley explained, "I thought we had momentum and I wanted to maintain that momentum. I did not want to do anything that would have killed our momentum – and going for two and not getting it would have surely done just that."
Against Charley Pell in 1977, Vince Dooley was 45 years old and barely two years removed from the day in the summer of 1975 that Fred Davison had stood up to mounting fan criticism by giving the coach a four-year extension at a time when he had just one year left on his existing contract. Against Danny Ford in 1983, Vince Dooley was 51 years old, ensconced as athletic director, and the winningest coach in Bulldog football history.
Was Coach Dooley too desperately reckless in 1977 or was he displaying the sort of intestinal fortitude that helped to turn the players who finished with a losing record as freshmen into the players who won a national championship as seniors? Was Coach Dooley too cautiously conservative in 1983 or was he displaying the sort of mature wisdom that led to six conference championships, 20 bowl appearances, and 201 victories?
In thinking back on Coach Dooley’s decisionmaking in those two games against Clemson, I cannot escape the realization that, when he went for two in 1977, the immediate result of the call was a loss but the long-term result of the mindset was a boatload of wins. In the five years following that season, from 1978 to 1982, the Georgia Bulldogs went 28-1-1 in SEC play, winning three conference championships and finishing second in the league twice.
A different attitude prevailed in Athens by 1983, when Coach Dooley eschewed going for two. The immediate result of that call was to avoid a loss but the long-term result of the new mindset was a series of disappointments. In the five years following that season, from 1984 to 1988, the Red and Black suffered two SEC losses each autumn and finished as high as tied for second place only once.
The simple reality is that, over the long haul, playing to win produces wins and playing not to lose produces losses. Going for the victory with gusto may cause a team to come up short in the moment, but such a coaching approach will produce many more wins than losses over the course of a career. We saw such a mentality in Mark Richt earlier in his tenure---in Knoxville in 2001, in Tuscaloosa and in Auburn in 2002---but we have not seen it nearly as much---we have not seen it nearly enough---lately.
Is it a coincidence that the one rival against whom the ‘Dawgs consistently have performed the most tightly and timidly also is the one rival against whom Coach Richt has a losing record? Is it a coincidence that the one time the Red and Black took the field against the Florida Gators with confidence also is the one time in the Mark Richt era that the Classic City Canines convincingly beat the Sunshine State Saurians? The wisdom of the running play at the end of the 2001 game against the Auburn Tigers is debatable, but, while the Bulldogs lost that particular outing, they defeated the Plainsmen in six of the next eight series meetings. Attitudes carry consequences that last even after the clock shows a trio of zeroes.
I do not wish to overstate the importance of an individual decision in a specific game; careers and their courses are not defined by single instances. Nevertheless, the English language contains the word "synecdoche" for a reason, and the fourth down call early in the Liberty Bowl was symbolic of a central problem.
The immediate result of Vince Dooley’s decision to go for the win instead of the tie against Clemson in 1977 was the loss that made the difference between 5-6 and 5-5-1; had Coach Dooley elected to kick the extra point, he would have prevented his team from suffering what turned out to be the only losing season of his 25-year career on the Sanford Stadium sideline. Nevertheless, the Bulldogs gained more than they lost that day, as became clear over the next several years.
Had Mark Richt decided to go for the touchdown instead of settling for the field goal against UCF last Friday, it might have made the difference between 7-6 and 6-7, thereby preventing the only losing season of Coach Richt’s tenure. It also might have made the difference between losing 10-6 and losing 10-3. The systematic mindset is more important than the discrete outcome, though; when the hobnailed boot was brought down, the reverberations continued to be felt at least as far away in place and time as the 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl, when a gutsy call on a surprise onside kick saved the day against the Virginia Tech Hokies. Such intestinal fortitude did not remain on display when the same bold play worked for Auburn against the Red and Black in 2010.
Coaches, being human beings, change. Some become more conservative after building their reputations as riverboat gamblers; others adapt, as Bear Bryant did when he adopted the wishbone. The lesson of Vince Dooley’s later years could not be more clear, and the advice Mark Richt needs to heed can be distilled down to three simple words: no, not "finish the drill"; . . . "go for it."
If we are to fail, at least let us fail while daring greatly. This is not the time to play it safe. As John A. Shedd wrote in Salt From My Attic, "A ship in harbor is safe - but that is not what ships are for."
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Playing to win . . .
So, do you think this is why “The Mad Hatter” wins more than he loses and has a BCS championship to show for it? Do you want Coach Richt emulating him more?
At press conferences, no, but, on the sideline, he could stand to take a few more calculated gambles.
That’s a good analogy, though. I hadn’t thought of it, but a little more Les Miles-like audacity (of the sort George Patton—-the World War II general, not the Georgia defensive tackle—-would have admired) might get us back to the 2007 “Evil Richt” we knew and loved.
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And at this point, what does he have to lose?
I’ve been a Mark Richt defender from way back, but if he goes into this season playing it safe, I will admit that he is beyond saving as a head coach. Let it all hang out, man.
Will
Patton was fond of quoting Frederick the Great...
…“L’audace, l’audace, toujours l’audace!” (Audacity, audacity, always audacity!) He also said that “it takes the right mixture of common horse sense and stupidity to make a good commander”. That sounds like Les Miles for sure!
One of the very few things my buddies and I have bemoaned about Richt is his lack of a consistent killer instinct. We rarely put teams away when we have the chance. All too often, we let lesser teams hang around and increase our heartburn factor unnecessarily. Here’s the Patton philosophy I’d like to see instilled by CMR in his assistants and players, again quoting Patton: “We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We’re going to hold on to him by the nose and we’re going to kick him in the a$$; we’re going to kick the hell out of him all of the time and we’re going to go through him like crap through a goose…” (p. 65 "Patton on Leadership, David Axelrod, Prentice Hall Press).
I regret my inability to render the Frederick the Great quotation in the original French . . .
. . . from memory (NCT will have to forgive me for that deficiency), but that was exactly the line I had in mind.
“Patton” remains one of my all-time favorite movies. It also was the first movie my father purchased on VHS the day we got our first VCR.
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Disney's "Swiss Family Robinson" was our first VHS movie...
…but getting back to “Patton”, my dad told me that he remembers that my granddaddy only saw two movies in the theater during his lifetime: “Walking Tall” (he liked the fact Joe Don Baker only carried an axe handle) and “Patton”. I’ve got it on DVD, but if I come across it flipping through channels, I stop and watch it from that point on. #wiferollingeyesagain
I'm with you.
If memory serves, my Uncle Charles took the kids in the Sunday school class he taught to see “Patton.” I love that movie.
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Uh, Dawglicious - that's the heat. For realz.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
hobnailed it
Well said. I think the psychological takeaway for players in a situation like the Liberty Bowl’s fourth and inches inside the 2 yd line is just a basic lack of confidence in their ability to get the job done. With the benefit of hindsight, it seems clear that decision was a buzz killer in a situation where enthusiasm was already in short supply. There are four downs for reason. You don’t make it, you’ve got your opponent pinned. And if you really believe there are going to be plenty of scoring opportunities later in the game, what’s three points? I totally agree that it seems our leader, bolstered by early success at UGA and richly rewarded with long-term job security, seems to have become more interested in risk management than playing to win. Who wants to chip in and hire the best sports shrinks in the land for Team Richt?
I too totally agree with Kyle on this one
but i would love to see a follow-up article looking at the abject failure of most of Richt’s gambles since 2007. It would seem that the backlash over the end-zone celebration scarred him somewhat; then you add the black jerseys & black helmets debacles in 08 and 09, the failed onside kick versus Florida in 08, and I think we have a man who is cautious by nature who has developed a bunker mentality, tending to circle the wagons rather than attack. He’s become a regular George McClellan, with no evident remaining traces of the R. E. Lee spirit seen occasionally in the past games Kyle mentions.
I have always disliked Richt’s 2009 statements about being the pre-season number 1 in 2008…that he was glad to not have to have that mantle in 2009, that he/the team prefers not going in with that added pressure. It seemed to me at the time to be very wrong-headed—shouldn’t a big-time program want to have the pressure of expectations, want to be in the thick of things—knowing that winning titles can only come from experience in the spotlight?
I really think that, on some intuitive level, Richt has decided that getting 9 wins each year will be good enough because the demands and risks of more success are not worth the psychological difficulty and stress. And he’s just now finding out that settling for nine wins is a sure way to get fewer.
We’ll see if he figures it out, I guess.
Kyle, you should read the game day thread around the time of this now infamous call.
What is interesting on the reread is how POSITIVE the thread was on the opening drive. Lots of good Bobo.
And at some point, I said this:
I will give Bobo points on this drive (there, I said it).
So, when will he change back? 2nd Q?
And at about 12:55, before it even happened, LakePoets begged for no FG. And we all felt it coming. That’s another sad part, we KNEW it was coming. and then 20 people went WTF? all at once on the blog. If we, as bloggers, felt good and positive, and then felt ripped apart – imagine what the team felt like. A great drive spoiled. And then, to make matters worse, Bobo stopped doing what he did in the first drive with the picking away short game. Which is exactly what we did all season.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Good points, tankertoad.
That’s exactly what’s so maddening about Mike Bobo as a play caller: he goes away from what works. The best game he ever called was the 2009 Georgia Tech game, when he saw the run was working and continued to run the ball. Coach Bobo outsmarts himself on a regular basis by shifting from what is effective in an effort to achieve balance and break tendencies . . . and making himself all the more predictable in the process.
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On that first drive,
I looked at Mom and said, “We’re playing simple football, and that’s good because it’s working. If we keep playing like this, we’ll win the game.” What we were doing wasn’t fancy or pretty, but it was eating clock and moving the chains. Then we took those 3 points, and Mom got up and walked away because she figured if that was the coaches’ mindset, we were going to lose. I kept hope (“hope” might be a bit of an optimistic stretch here) until we ran CT up the gut on 2nd and 23 and then tried to set up that ridiculous screen to him on the next play. The Psychic Post of the Thread was RedCrake’s "if we lose by 4, I’m jumping on the “Fire Mark Richt” bandwagon." I largely try to refrain from commenting during the games because I’m a no-fun pessimist when we’re playing so terribly. Still, the whole (relatively)-positive-then-ripped-apart feeling was what Mom and I felt as well.
by Cherokee's Grip on Jan 3, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
I've been trying to put my finger on what CMB does that drives me crazy (and most of y'all too).
After the game, I played my son in NCAA10, and was hit with an epiphany: Bobo calls plays the way my son does on the PS3. Just picking what he feels will work, or has worked, before…no gameplan, no strategy. Mike Bobo is a teenager playing video games with the OC duties.
All throughout the season, especially the Colorado game, Bobo had the offense torch a lesser-defense, only to put the D back out there with minimal rest—that definitely hurt us in Colorado, where the boys were playing 5000+ feet above their normal altitude. This is the part I blame CMR on: the O this year constantly put the D in bad positions.
Now, in the matter of disclosure, I am old-school, philosophically, football: smash-mouth, ball control, aggressive defense. Coach Mike Smith at Atlanta is just my speed (Mularky and CVG are to also due some credit). But I guarantee you, Mike Smith tells Mularky how he wants the gameplan to flow, and to control the clock. I wonder if CMR is doing this…or if he’s delegated too much?
If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.
For much of the game a fellow behind me was bellowing about Bobo every time the offense sputtered, so what’s that, 15-20 times? It gets tiresome, because I happen to believe Bobo is this year’s straw man. Bobo’s ineffective offensive schemes against our better opponents, the weak Willie defenses of yesteryear, had one thing in common. They were backed by the full faith and credit of Mark Richt. I’m not sure what it will take to jolt him back to consciousness, but hopefully, it’s the magnificence of the disaster that was 2010. The good posters of Dawgsports and Mr. CFB have made many good points about what he needs to do if and when he wakes up. Someone a lot more articulate than me has already made the point that scheduling Boise State to open the 2011 campaign could well be Mr. McGarity throwing down the gauntlet and basically forcing our coach to do something different. Is it the scheduling equivalent of going for a touchdown as opposed to settling for the easy field goal/meaningless win over feeble cupcake?
If we get shellacked in that game it may well be the end of Richt's career.
Not immediately, of course, but it will set up a horribly negative atmosphere that will be tough to overcome. Sort of like starting 1-4 with a loss to Colorado.
The immediate result of going for two in 1977
was Dooley’s first losing season.
While Georgia did go 5-0-1 in the SEC the next year, their wins were against Ole Miss (2-4), LSU (3-3), Vanderbilt (0-6), Kentucky (2-4), and Florida (3-3), with the tie against Auburn (3-2-1). This was not the toughest of SEC schedules.
In 1979 Georgia went 5-1 in the SEC but 6-5 over all, again not playing Alabama or Tennessee.
I argue that the big change came not as a result of the 1977 game against Clemson but the 1980 arrival of a young man from Wrightsville.
Well, yeah, that might have had something to do with it.
My point, though, was that the decision to go for two instilled a mentality. Bear in mind that the 1978 “Wonderdogs” had to come from behind nearly every time on the way to a 9-1-1 regular season. Getting tougher in the fourth quarter, an attribute that defined the Red and Black for much of the ’80s, has not been a hallmark of the 2010 Bulldogs.
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So it looks like Bobo is staying? Is that y'all's take?
Did Richt learn nothing from the Martinez debacle? Or is he unwilling to put personal loyalty aside for the good of the program? Is this Richt’s fatal flaw as a football coach of a major college program?
I do not feel hopeful.
I said in another thread it hit me sunday:
CMB isn’t going anywhere. Which pains me to think of our OC standing on the sidelines another year. Like several have said – he most certaintly couldnt get a Div 1 Head Coach job, and I seriously doubt many (if any) schools would hire him as OC. Which says a lot a this point.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Ultimately, I don't think it's about personal loyalty.
Mike Bobo runs the offense that Mark Richt taught him. If you’re going to get rid of Mike Bobo, you might as well get rid of Mark Richt. I think that’s the primary reason Bobo’s not going anywhere. I think Richt might try to coach him on the play-calling and to ease up on the “running equal numbers of pass and run plays” thing, but the basic offensive system hasn’t changed from Richt’s days as an OC at FSU.
Replacing Bobo with a guy like Friedgen or someone similar who will bring in his own system will make Mark Richt no different than Bobby Bowden was in his declining years… a meaningless figurehead who’s basically only there to recruit and make the booster clubs feel good.
I hate to admit it, but if it’s time to get rid of Bobo, you need to also get rid of Richt.
OK - so, can CMR hire someone that sits in the booth and has broader experience AND can fit into his system?
And isn’t so young, and isn’t part of the Lettermen Club, and doesn’t have “mouths to feed” (someone bitter with no family and has nothing better to do than work 80 hrs a week).
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
The 1977 team was snakebit
It was a very young team that struggled at times, got shellacked by the best (and most corrupt) Kentucky team in history on Prince Charles day between the hedges, and had injuries across the board.
Jeff Pyburn was leading the Dawgs against Florida in Jacksonville and we were actually seizing momentum in the game when he was forced out of bounds on a nice gainer down the right side line, stepped in a damn sprinkler hole and tore up his knee. After that, I think we played Tony Flanagan at QB the rest of the way.
Back on point: What is so very egregious to me is how we have consistently wasted 2nd downs this year by inserting Carlton Thomas and having him run into the middle of the line. This is not an indictment on CT. He’s can be effective in space…which means screens or toss-sweeps on the edge.
How many times did 2nd and 5 become 3rd and 9 this season? Insane playcalling…because obviously a different result was expected by doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over ad infinitum.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Here is the consistency
We view our position players as interchangable as opposed to young men who have strengths and weaknesses. There is NEVER any thought to the idea that certain running backs are more suited to certain plays or certain wide receivers need to be the go to guy on critical plays. This has really stood out to me in the last few seasons.
I don’t know if it is too much to manage, certain players for certain plays. There seems to be a sequence of plays and a rotation of players and the two seem to have NO connection to each other whatsoever.
I really really really don’t want to believe this is CMR’s doing.
I give up
After reading this blog for a while I guess I have come to the place in my own mind to contribute a thought or two.
I have been a pretty strong supporter of CMR since day one. There were a lot of things he did in the beginning I connected with….felt good about. It was visceral thing, not cerebral…thats when football is at its best. That beginning period of deep satisfaction with the bulldogs has been enough to carry me through this "dry’ spell. Common sence tells me that this “season” won’t last for ever. But when ? Where’s the bottom ?
You always know when to get into the stock market, but you never know when to get out. What happened to the CMR that invented the tunnel screen for Champ Bailey ? There is a line in movie ( since we’re on movies here) that talks about “the bear being asleep” and " the bear being awakened" (in our lives)…….“Legends of a Fall”…. I think.
Its a mindset, this sport, a large portion of controlled recklessness, sprinkled in a touch trickster and splash of “you can’t stop me”. Thats where the train is off the tracks for CMR. He is great guy, nice guy, the kind of person I want my sons to be influenced by. he is a “balanced” man ……God, Country, Family, Job in the right order for most people. ( theres a reason why Urban left ) He cares about the people that work for him and play for him…maybe too much for what this sport has become. Thats the rub, I have never been embarassed by what CMR has done off the field, but increasingly emabarassed by what the Bulldogs do on the field.
I still like CMR……a lot, but wonder if there is room for just an average SEC team with a great guy for a coach on my saturdays. Or do I want to watch a team with a fire in their belly, so that I don’t have to watch “Rudy”, “Invincible” and “Rember the Titans” again and again to get man tears watching football.
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