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Evaluating the Reevaluation: A Response to Spears

In the interests of full disclosure, I should state from the outset that Spears is an old friend of mine, to whom I am connected through the Phi Kappa Literary Society. As such, we have been known to debate with one another strictly for debate’s sake, and Spears, who was among the sharpest knives in a drawer that contained no dull blades, has been known to present persuasively cogent points with which he disagrees, as all good debaters do. He also has been known to do this in the presence of people he knows disagree with the points he is making even more vehemently than he does, solely for the sake of compelling them to offer a response he knows his listener to be constitutionally incapable of withholding. (That may sound like a criticism of Spears; I assure you that it is a compliment, and that he takes it as such.)

I do not know for certain, but it would not surprise me to learn, that Spears had such an objective in mind when he set forth the case that the best days of the Mark Richt era were not as glorious as we would like to believe. In any event, his argument warrants a retort, which I now offer; viz.:

Star-divide

Spears contends that, during the heyday of the Mark Richt era, the Bulldogs’ losses largely were embarrassments and their victories primarily were hollow. This, I believe, involves some cherry-picking on his part. Consider:

  • In 2002, Georgia defeated a ten-win Alabama team on the road, a nine-win Auburn team on the road, and a nine-win Arkansas team at a neutral site, the latter of whom went down to a 30-3 defeat.
  • In 2003, Georgia’s only losses were to the eventual national champion, and to the team that beat the eventual national champion. Among the Red and Black’s victims was a ten-win Tennessee squad whom the Bulldogs beat in Knoxville by a 41-14 margin.
  • In 2004, Georgia’s only losses were to Auburn and Tennessee teams who finished the season ranked second and thirteenth, respectively, in the final AP poll. The Bulldogs beat three teams that finished ranked in the postseason coaches’ poll, the highest-ranked of whom (No. 16 LSU) fell between the hedges by a 45-16 margin.
  • In 2005, Georgia’s three losses were by a combined eight points against the teams ranked fifth, twelfth, and fourteenth in the final sportswriters’ poll. Along the way, the Bulldogs defeated eventual No. 6 Louisiana State by 20 points after opening the autumn with a 35-point thrashing of a rising Boise State outfit that has gone 52-4 since the start of the 2006 campaign.

As for Spears’s claim that Coach Richt’s 7-2 record in bowl games contains only valueless victories, I would respond that six of those seven postseason triumphs were wins over teams ranked 18th (Michigan State in 2008), 16th (Florida State in 2002 and Wisconsin in 2004), 14th (Virginia Tech in 2006), 12th (Purdue in 2003), and 10th (Hawaii in 2008) in the final regular-season Associated Press poll. Of course those teams all fell in the final postseason rankings; they fell because Georgia beat them.

From 2001 through 2009, Coach Richt’s Red and Black squads were 28-19 against teams ranked in the AP top 25 at the time of the game. That ain’t bad for a program that went 85-115-8 against opponents ranked by the sportswriters from 1936 to 2009. That’s right . . . Mark Richt has delivered almost one-third (32.9%) of all the victories over ranked opponents in Georgia history, while having overseen under one-sixth (16.5%) of the losses.

Let us suppose, though, that Spears is right, and that the Bulldogs were overrated even in Coach Richt’s best seasons. Does that mean the Red and Black’s 44-9 record between 2002 and 2005 fails to measure up to the Athenians’ 43-4-1 ledger between 1980 and 1983? Not hardly; when viewed through the same lens Spears holds up to Mark Richt’s best four-year stretch, here is how Vince Dooley’s best four-year run compares:

Between 1980 and 1983, Georgia faced a total of eleven teams who were ranked by the Associated Press on the day of the game. Despite being the higher-ranked team in nine of those contests, the Bulldogs were 8-3 in those outings, losing twice to lower-ranked opponents. In Mark Richt’s four best consecutive seasons, the Bulldogs met 22 ranked opponents---double the number faced by Coach Dooley’s ‘Dawgs in their best days---and had a winning record as the lower-ranked team.

None of Georgia’s regular-season opponents from the 1980 national championship campaign finished with a top 20 ranking in the final AP poll. In 1981, the Bulldogs faced two teams ranked in the season-ending sportswriters’ poll; Georgia lost to both. By far the most impressive autumn of that four-season stretch---1983, when the ‘Dawgs went 3-1-1 against teams finishing in the year-end top 20---was the one autumn of the four in which Georgia did not win the SEC championship. Could it be that the Bulldogs profited from a down SEC in the first three years of the decade?

To answer that question, we must confront this one: Georgia went 18-0 in conference play between 1980 and 1982, but against whom? In 1980, the Bulldogs beat Tennessee (5-6), Ole Miss (3-8), Vanderbilt (2-9), Kentucky (3-8), Florida (8-4), and Auburn (5-6), but did not face LSU (7-4), Mississippi State (9-3), or Alabama (10-2). In 1981, the Bulldogs beat Tennessee (8-4), Ole Miss (4-6-1), Vanderbilt (4-7), Kentucky (3-8), Florida (7-5), and Auburn (5-6), but did not face Mississippi State (8-4) or Alabama (9-2-1). In 1982, the Bulldogs beat Mississippi State (5-6), Ole Miss (4-7), Vanderbilt (8-4), Kentucky (0-10-1), Florida (8-4), and Auburn (9-3), but did not face Alabama (8-4) or LSU (8-3-1). Under Mark Richt, of course, Georgia could not duck the top teams in the SEC, thanks to an eight-game regular-season conference schedule and the SEC Championship Game.

Does that mean it is fair to question the achievements of the Red and Black during the early 1980s? No, it does not, for several reasons: rankings on the day of the game, particularly early in the season, may reflect preconceived notions rather than realities; tough non-conference opponents such as Clemson and the teams the ‘Dawgs faced in major bowl games must be taken into account when assessing Georgia’s strength of schedule; it is reasonable to presume that many of the SEC teams who finished with good records and whom Georgia did not face were able to attain those records, in part, because they did not have to play the Bulldogs.

The point is that no warrior is without cracks in his armor, and no achievement comes without caveats attached. The nearer our approach to perfection in any endeavor, the more glaring errors become for their comparative rarity. So it is with Vince Dooley’s four-year run from 1980 to 1983, and so it is with Mark Richt’s four-year run from 2002 to 2005. Those periods were, in fact, as glorious as we recall; it is only when we dedicate ourselves to getting nitpicky in pursuit of imperfections we may magnify to justify our latter-day doubts that we fail to see the splendid forest for the flawed trees.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Hot Damn, we got ourselves a Dee Bate!

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Sep 28, 2010 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.

by Inteljumper on Sep 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Since I can't contribute in a meaningful way to this discussion, I'll just be shallow and petty.
… who was among the sharpest knives in a drawer that contained no dull blades…

Do you understand how much restraint I am exercising right now in avoiding hitting that softball out of the park?

by vineyarddawg on Sep 29, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I was going to ask

if the drawer only contained forks & spoons, but thought better of it.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Sep 29, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait one sec. I left something out.

.

Thanks again. Please don’t respond to my post unless you have something meaningful to add.

by VDawg on Sep 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

That’s my contribution. I am clearly in over my head if I want to do this kind of research. These kinds of debates (on either side) don’t seem to be that relevant to me until the end of the season. The jury’s still out on this team.

Though I did watch some videos on Erk yesterday and wondered if Richt would ever think about bringing back the shirts that had TEAM in big letters, and me in small letters. Could be an interesting motivational tactic now.

by andycapps on Sep 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Georgia Bulldogs...

…cease getting their motivation from apparel du jour forever, that’s fine by me.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Sep 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

Though at least this would be a throwback to a beloved era for most UGA fans, and originated with one of the greats.

by andycapps on Sep 29, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red pants, white shirts. The only acceptable alternate uniforms.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Sep 29, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That would be acceptable...

because it’s not a gimmick. As you know, it was once part of the occasional “road look.” I seriously doubt we’ll see that look again, though, because if it is suddenly donned, it will appear contrived and, of late, desperate. And that is too bad…because it’s probably my favorite combination of colors bar none.

Perhaps we should go in the opposite direction: Remove the “G” from our hats until they are earned, perhaps? I’d piss on a sparkplug now if I thought it would do any good. NOT GOOD TIMES.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Sep 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Removing the G was discussed in game threads last year, which you were part of.

I think you are right though, for the next 3 years, anything related to uniforms will be seen as contrived, desporate, etc. I am for red pants, but it is best we don’t do anything with uniforms for a very long time.

I wonder if the players take any pride in those dog bones anymore. That is our uniform motivational piece, one we started very early on in the era of decorating helmets.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Sep 29, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

No touching the uniforms. We shouldn’t have a blackout for years, and until we’re sure we’re not going to ruin it by choking after building it up so much.

by andycapps on Sep 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you remember my stance on the "G" thing at the time...?

I’m somewhat of a nervous gameday-game thread drinker…and about the only thing I’ve ever recalled posting is something about butter.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Sep 29, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well put.

Thanks for the well-reasoned and well-researched response. (Especially in light of the fact that I didn’t remember that we lost to Urban Myer’s first Florida squad in 2005. As thefirstgenesis pointed out, Ron Zook was fired in 2004 . . . after losing to the Mississippi State Bulldogs.)

After mulling things over, I have to concede that you’re right — 2002-2005 was as good of a run as it seemed at the time. Doug Gillett has aptly noted, however, “As much as we all love and respect Richt for what he accomplished in 2002, you just can’t make the case that it has greater bearing on the program’s future than what happened in 2008, 2009, and 2010.” Yes, that’s changing the terms of the debate, but that’s where we are.

Ultimately, for right or for wrong, and barring a 2-10/3-9 freefall this year, Coach Richt will have 2011 to prove that he’s still the coach we all thought he was in 2005. Based on the schedule, we can reasonably expect to go 11-1 or better, and that’s what I think it will take to save Coach Richt’s job. Whatever happens, he’s a damn good dawg, and it’s a damn shame that it’s come to this.

Go Dawgs!

by Spears on Sep 29, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As always, Spears, . . .

. . . it’s a pleasure doing business with you.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 29, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the schedule

I thought we had a “reasonable” chance of being 3-1 or 2-2 at this point. Granted, there are still 8 more games to be played this year, but I’m curious as to what you’ve seen to this point that makes you think we’ll have a shot of going “11-1 or better” next year?

by MDDawg on Sep 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based solely on our talent and a very manageable schedule

I haven’t seen much that I liked from a coaching standpoint this year (except for Grantham’s scheme), but we have the talent to make a run next year. We had the talent to make a run this year, too, but the offensive game planning has been, well, offensive.

by Spears on Sep 30, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

that some of our younger players, including our QB will have a year of SEC experience.

by EricBDawg on Sep 30, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Experience

isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Just look at our O-line this year. Plenty of experience there, and they’ve underperformed. And the redshirt freshman QB who lacks SEC experience is actually the brightest spot on the offense so far.

by MDDawg on Oct 1, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kyle I haven't checked but

the dates you listed (o2 – 05) were pretty much done with Donnan’s players – yes. Oh yeah I’m not on the fire CMR wagon (yet) but I am looking more closely at his body of work over the full term. I hope he rights the ship but………………..

by JRL on Sep 29, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I hear that a lot.

Whenever someone says to me, “Mark Richt won with Jim Donnan’s players,” my response is always the same: “That’s more than Jim Donnan ever did with them.”

I don’t have the recruiting rankings and the NFL roster breakdowns in front of me, but we’ve recruited well under each of our last three coaches. I don’t believe a lack of talent accounts for the Bulldogs’ present troubles, and the fact that the only member of Coach Donnan’s staff whom Coach Richt retained was recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner suggests that our recruiting has remained reasonably constant throughout the last two regimes.

As I indicated, though, I don’t have the recruiting rankings or the NFL roster breakdowns in front of me, so I stand ready to be corrected by someone who can quantify the answer to the valid question you raise.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 29, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I am curious

I will do a little Googling and see what I can find. I think Donnan is credited with putting about 100 guys in the NFL.

by JRL on Oct 1, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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