Too Much Information: Georgia Bulldogs at South Carolina Gamecocks
If you’re looking for a meaningful preview of tomorrow’s game between the Georgia Bulldogs and the South Carolina Gamecocks, you have plenty of options; what you’ll get here, by contrast, are historical minutiae and statistical correlations of questionable validity. Be forewarned, however, that, when I undertake to provide you with a preview, I don’t just give you a little information, or even the right amount of information. Instead, I bring you . . . Too Much Information.
Excluding autumns in which the Bulldogs have opened their season against the Gamecocks, Georgia has come into the South Carolina game with an undefeated record on 36 previous occasions. The ‘Dawgs are 28-8 against the ‘Cocks when the Red and Black enter with an unblemished ledger, and that record includes a 13-5 mark against the Palmetto State Poultry in Columbia. This will be the 21st season in which Georgia carries a 1-0 record into a game with South Carolina, and the Athenians emerged victorious on 17 of the previous 20 such occasions.
Saturday’s SEC showdown in Williams-Brice Stadium will be the 63rd series meeting between the Bulldogs and the Gamecocks. Georgia led the first nine series meetings 7-2 between 1894 and 1920, led the next nine series meetings 7-2 between 1924 and 1960, led the next nine series meetings 7-0-2 between 1961 and 1970, led the next nine series meetings 7-2 between 1971 and 1981, led the next nine series meetings 6-3 between 1982 and 1992, and led the next nine series meetings 5-4 between 1993 and 2001. The ‘Dawgs have gone 7-1 in their eight meetings with the ‘Cocks since 2002; a win by the visitors tomorrow would give Georgia the elusive eighth win for the current nine-game stretch.
As I noted in last week’s edition of Too Much Information, four freshman quarterbacks have started most of a season for Georgia since eligibility for first-year collegians was restored in the early 1970s: Eric Zeier in 1991, Quincy Carter in 1998, David Greene in 2001, and Matthew Stafford in 2006. Zeier did not face the Garnet and Black in his freshman campaign, but the other three did, and here is what each accomplished against South Carolina:
- Carter, 1998: 9 of 18, 133 yds., 0 TD, 1 int., 17-3 W in Columbia
- Greene, 2001: 21 of 33, 169 yds., 0 TD, 1 int., 14-9 L in Athens
- Stafford, 2006: 8 of 19, 171 yds. 0 TD, 3 int., 18-0 W in Columbia
There are some remarkably consistent elements in those three performances. All three QBs threw for a yardage total between the low 130s and the low 170s; all three threw at least one pick; none of the three threw so much as a single touchdown pass. While it is encouraging that freshman Georgia quarterbacks are 2-0 against South Carolina in Columbia in modern Bulldog history, it is disturbing that the lone loss came with the redshirt freshman whom Aaron Murray most resembles in a game that featured the same heavy reliance on the forward pass that the Gamecock defense almost assuredly will force the Red and Black to adopt.
I am a firm believer that, when you expect the worst, your only options are to be proven correct or pleasantly surprised. Consequently, I last year instituted a statistical measure known as the feel bad stat of the week, which is sort of like the misery index. The feel bad stat of the week replaced the feel good stat of the week because the last three years have given Bulldog Nation little about which to feel good, and this week has been no exception.
Since losing to South Carolina in 2007, Georgia has defeated the Gamecocks in consecutive series meetings by scores of 14-7 in 2008 and 41-37 in 2009. Another close contest is expected this weekend, and that is bad news for the Bulldogs, for this reason:
Although Georgia has won 46 of the Red and Black’s 62 series meetings with South Carolina and has reeled off winning streaks of three games or longer on seven separate occasions in the history of the rivalry, the ‘Dawgs have never won three straight outings against the Gamecocks which were decided by margins of seven or fewer points. The Athenians have beaten the Columbians three or more times consecutively when at least one of those victories was by more than one score, but a blowout is unlikely this weekend, and it would be unprecedented for the Bulldogs to emerge triumphant from three nailbiters in a row over the Palmetto State Poultry.
I don’t want to overstate the case, but the last three years of being a Georgia fan have left me more or less convinced that disappointment is inevitable, it’s always brightest before the gloom, doom lurks around every corner waiting to smash you in the face with a baseball bat the instant you start to think anything might improve even incrementally, all hope should be abandoned, and the mere fact that you have hit rock bottom doesn’t mean you can’t still make lateral moves.
I thought we were losing this game back when I thought we were going to have all the guys we would need to have to be able to win this game. Take a look back at the 2009 season and ask yourself how many of the Bulldogs’ eight wins would have been losses if A.J. Green had been suspended for those contests. I didn’t see it happening before, and I certainly don’t see it happening now.
Nice guys finish last. Steve Spurrier is mean. Therefore, his team will win.
My Prediction: South Carolina 17, Georgia 13.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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this game was played at the end of the season I’d be confident we could win. Unfortunately USC has had the entire off-season to prepare for this game with the idea that Green was on offense. I expect our offense to struggle.
It’s a little much to expect our defense to keep us in this game. We’ll need some big turnovers to flip this in our favor.
The last few years our teams haven’t really played 4 quarters, we’re all very aware of this. It is for this reason that any given week we could beat or lose to anyone no matter the talent and depth differential. I think this game will be the barometer for the season on whether or not we can have any type of consistency bc of the new staff. That is my number one take away from this weekend, win or loss. I want to see competitiveness and consistency so I know exactly how to feel going into each game rather than “welp, guess it’s a toss up this week with Kentucky/Florida/GT/Tenn Tech/etc.”
by knowshon loves legos on Sep 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
It seems like I watched a different South Carolina game than everyone else
In the game I saw, the South Carolina D gave up over 400 yards in offense to a Conference USA team which saw its top receiver play poorly and be called out for lack of effort. I saw lots of dink and dunk passes from Garcia with the occasional long ball threat. Lattimore ran for 54 yards.
It seems to me like we’re giving South Carolina an awful lot of credit and the benefit of the doubt that they are vastly improved. I’m not saying we should give ourselves any credit either, but since when has South Carolina ever rewarded anyone’s faith in their improvement?
That said, I’m glad Kyle picked the Gamecocks… because aside from a few Florida games, that usually works out for us pretty well.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
I agree
It’s like they’re graded on a curve because they’ve looked so attrocious offensively in their openers the last few years.
by Biggus Rickus on Sep 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
may i remind you
that 150 of those yards was given up to USM in the 4th quarter, when we had our 3rd string defense in. We also had 2nd and 3rd stringers in the game for the last half of the 3rd quarter. Yes Lattimore only had 54 yards, but I am almost certain at least 30 of those yards was after contact. In the SEC, you dont need to have deep ball threat on every play, its actually not a good thing to do with the great pass defenses in the conference, little hitch routes and crosses and screens are the way to go in the SEC. South Carolina was a much improved team in terms of fundamentals and executing.
by Gamecockrock on Sep 10, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
And he’s only a freshman, but saying he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread when he has a 2.7 YPC average is a little premature. Saying he shows a lot of promise is probably smarter than building him up to be something he’s not yet. Especially when those 54 yards he got were against a Conference USA team. He hasn’t been hit by an SEC linebacker yet. I expect he’ll put the ball on the ground very quickly this week. Not to say he won’t be good, just that I expect he’ll make freshman mistakes, which with running backs is normally fumbles or missed blocks that lay the quarterback out.
So what you're saying is you guys can't open up holes for Lattimore?
30 yards after contact? So what you’re saying is on those 20 or so carries, somebody was already trying to bring Lattimore down? 1 yard per carry prior to contact? Excellent.
I kid I kid. But the announcers made this guy seem like the second coming.
by WindyCityDawg on Sep 10, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course you may...
But every team that plays a patsy the first week puts in 2nd and 3rd stringers for most of the 2nd half, so I don’t think its unreasonable to say that relatively speaking, the defense wasn’t as lights out as many are portraying it.
If we only look at the first half when the first stringers were in, USM had sustained drives of 8, 9, and 13 plays for 40, 59, and 58 yards respectively.
I’m not saying we won’t lose to ya’ll, I’m just not sure where all the hype is coming from.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
My take on this...
No reasonable Gamecock fan thinks that we saw the second coming of the 1996 Gators last week. We’ll leave that to the irrational Gamecocks fans and Palmer / James. But what we did see was a bit of progress. The QBs underthrew a couple of long balls; the defense looked slightly vulnerable at times. However, you can’t deny that we looked a little better than in years past. Garcia made better decisions, Spurrier seemed to have regained some sense of offensive identity for the team. That’s progress from last year. I’m essentially saying the same thing you guys are saying about your defense. ULL was not a test for your defense. But it’s still good that your guys played disciplined, fundamentally sound defensive ball—that was missing during the Martinez years. Both of these teams showed flashes that they may be better than last year—that’s what I take away from last week. At the end of the day, though, it doesn’t mean much, because we were both playing bad football teams. This week we’ll see what we really have.
This should be a very good game. I think Kyle may be going a little low on the score; I expect both teams to be in the 20s. At any rate, good luck to you—just not too much, if you know what I mean!
Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans.
by Gamecock Man on Sep 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree that ya'll looked much better than you did Game 1 in past years.
Should be a fun one.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Totally agree with that analysis.
The Gamecocks did look like they finally have an offensive identity and that Spurrier has come back to exploiting whatever the defense is giving up.
I expect a very tight game, probably a few mistakes on both sides of the ball for both teams and a 17-14 or 20-17 score at the end of the day.
I hope and pray all of the Gamecock players, coaches, and staff all stay healthy during the game and the same for the Dawgs of course. I also hope the Dawgs are on the higher end of my scoring spectrum
This is a truer statement than you could ever know.
I’m not saying we should give ourselves any credit either, but since when has South Carolina ever rewarded anyone’s faith in their improvement?
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Sep 10, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. We always seem to take two steps backwards after taking one forwards.
For this year to be any different, we have to look good tomorrow.
Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans.
by Gamecock Man on Sep 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
17 - 14
Dawgs win by a field goal. I gotta side with the Dawgs no matter how many times I’ve been disappointed. Preparing for the worst and being pleasantly surprised may be how some of us feel on the outside, but I’d like to at least be able to show opposing teams’ fans that we expect our team to win week in, and week out.
The good parts you don’t mention for UGA is SCAR’s OL. They’re very suspect there. Their CB’s are a good bit smaller than our receivers. Ealey and King are much better than Lattimore and his 2.7 YPC average. On paper, I see no reason why we should lose. Yet we all know that Columbia is hotter than hell and they always show up to play. Their defense will be tough and will be trying to pressure Murray as much as possible and trying to prevent that run. Our OL needs to be tough and completely dominate the line of scrimmage. And our defense needs to GATA. Garcia needs to have nightmares of Justin Houston, Christian Robinson, etc chasing him down constantly. We need to get in his head from the first play and stay there.
There are lots of good reasons why we should win this game
But USC will commit to stopping the run. Are we so strong up front that we can run against an 8-in-the-box set? I think we will have to beat them by taking to the skies. Murray has to win by throwing.
Darth Visor will also bring his full creativity to solving the 3-4. “So what if I have no game film,” he says – “my ignorance is just proof that your 20-year-olds don’t know what they’re doing.” He will scheme to make LB’s make tough decisions. He is really really good at this stuff. Our defense is certainly strong enough, but is it smart enough? We will have to win by brain.
We got us a for-real QB and a for-real defense. But they will have to skip adolesence and grow up fast to win this one.
by first and thom on Sep 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
"Our defense is certainly strong enough"
God I hope so. Not sure La-Laf was a great test of our strength. I’m with you though, let’s hope the defense shows up.
by WindyCityDawg on Sep 10, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw some things I hadn't seen before
Such as, people stepping up into the holes to make tackles rather than waiting for the RB to get to them. That’s something we haven’t seen the past few years and it has nothing to do with the caliber of the team we played, it’s all about making the commitment to go in there for the tackle. That will transcend all opponents and I, for one, am pretty excited about it.
by knowshon loves legos on Sep 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Truth
The difference between a Van Gorder defense and Martinez defense was that the Van Gorder defense featured bruising tacklers like Blue and Davis that would drive you back. They didn’t wait for you to get to them, they were coming for you (Antoine Dodson voice). And they were going to drive you back and knock you senseless with that tackle.
I agree with you, I saw a tenacity and a pursuit to the ball that I hadn’t seen the past several years. Yes, it was a lower opponent, but in previous years we would have let that same team probably score 21 points on us while we were reading and reacting all game long while a patsy made us look horrible.
SC defense effective against the run, not so much the pass
Last week Southern Mississippi threw for 357 yards (38/57 — .6667 completion percentage). They were pretty effective throwing the ball.
Rushing was a completely different story: 27 carries for 67 yards for an average 2.5 yards per carry.
I don’t think the run will be there all day. In fact, I sort of hope it’s not. I hope we gash them for some yards early and that they stack the box. I have a rational amount of faith in AM’s ability to pick apart their secondary if they are in man coverage. Especially if a linebacker is trying to run with Orson Charles.
So true
Orson Charles needs to be utilized. He is a not-so-secret weapon that needs to be utilized, and utilized often. There is nobody on their defense that can match up with him.
Orson Charles is a beast.
I honestly do not understand why we aren’t feeding him the rock.
A. Murray fed him in high school. The guy is hungry!!!!!
Keying in on him a little to quick
I saw Murray try to get it to him (or at least it seemed like he was) and couldn’t because he looked right to him, in situations where were not selling a run with a play action.
Watching the touchdown pass from Favre to Visanthe Shiancoe last night I immediately thought “why did we not run this exact play.” It was a thing of beauty. You have an athletic tight end who can outrun EVERY linebacker if the linebacker even hesitates on coverage. Favre didn’t even sell the run that well, but the linebacker took about a half step forward and Shiancoe was right by him. Charles is probably faster than Shiancoe and we need to see this type of play action a lot this year.
That’s not to say SC will have a linebacker on Charles every play….but when they do.
by WindyCityDawg on Sep 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I Don't Care How Many Passes Orson Catches
Putting him in forces a linebacker or safety to follow. He takes one guy from the box and makes him nervous about getting downfield in pass defense.
But TEs in general – not just Charles – should be our bread and butter. We got some big dudes who can both block, catch, and run. The hesitation they create in defenders is the difference between 2.5 YPC and 3.5 YPC.
by first and thom on Sep 10, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The loss of A.J. is not as important as everyone is making it out to be.
As noted elsewhere, you guys managed to beat both Auburn and GA Tech last year with a hampered AJ Green. Plus, we lost our starting left tackle and our leading receiver against UGA from last year. Our leading tackler and “defensive QB” is out as well. We are far worse off personnel-wise than y’all.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Sep 10, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
But you have to keep in mind we’re starting a redshirt freshman at QB so if you can have the best receiver in the country out there to bail him out, it definitely means quite a bit. Without him in the game, it’ll enable SCAR to pack more defenders in the box to force Murray to complete passes in a hurry.
Very true...
I’m honestly excited to see all the sophomore — true and RS — recievers (Marlon, Tavarres, and Wootendaballcarrier) get a game to show their stuff. All were highly prized wide reciever recruits out of high school (#5, #15, #29 WR in the country their years) and were it not for AJ and the my personal favorite, Michael Moore, would have probably been making their mark considerably earlier.
If one of them starts coming into their own in this game, SC won’t be stacking the box for long.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
I'm too tired and depressed to be positive.
I’m going whole hog chicken and predicting a SCAR victory by more than 7.
SCAR 24
UGA 10

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