Michigan Wolverines and Ohio State Buckeyes Provide Rivalry Scheduling Template for Georgia Bulldogs and Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Ordinarily, I make a point of not really caring what the Big Ten does, but Dr. Saturday recently reported a news item that I actually deem relevant, albeit in a roundabout way. Writes the Doc:
The Buckeyes and Wolverines will go on every year, regardless of whether or not they remain in the same division, or whether or not the league eventually expands the conference slate from eight to nine games. As for the timing, though, it seems the game's familiar place at the end of the regular season schedule – an unbroken ritual for both teams since 1935 – is less of a priority, according to the Columbus Dispatch. . . .
Today, the Dispatch reports the prospect of a rematch may be the deciding factor: If they're slated into the same division, without the possibility of a rematch a week or two later, the traditional position at the end of the regular season should be safe. If they wind up in opposite divisions, however, with the championship game calling both in December, the regular-season date could be moved up to mitigate the obvious complaints – "Hey, didn't we just beat these guys? Now we have to beat them again for the championship?" – that would come with the quick turnaround.
By itself, the potential for that kind of dissonance should be reason enough to nix any possibility of a rematch. If it also means moving the traditional culmination of the season to mid-October for the sake of a few extra eyeballs on the Big Ten title game – a blockbuster that should sell out and dominate television ratings regardless of which two widely-followed, state-sponsored behemoths happen to win their way into it in any given year – it's even more of a no-brainer.
To recap, teams are allowed to move their usual season-ending showdowns when conference alignments affecting them both change. I mention this because, now that we are on the eve of the season, it is time once more for me to renew my lobbying effort to move the Georgia Tech game from the end of the Georgia schedule. For the benefit of those of you who may be unfamiliar with my argument, here is the gist of it:
I don't like playing Georgia Tech at the end of the year. I never have. It assigns to the Engineers a level of importance I simply don't think they warrant. They're not an SEC rival any longer; Bobby Dodd is the name on the stadium, not the coach on the sidelines; they've been reduced from rolling up eight-game winning streaks over us to snapping our seven-game winning streaks over them. We're 29-12 against them in my lifetime, and that's giving them credit for the three games in the late 1990s featuring multiple ineligible athletes and two egregiously blown officiating calls on late fumbles. Much like their insect mascot, they're more of an annoyance than an actual threat. They ain't that big a deal.
The Ramblin' Wreck never once occupied the final spot on the Georgia slate before 1927, more than a third of a century after the Red and Black began playing football, and the Golden Tornado did not become a permanent fixture at the end of the schedule until 1953, the year after the Classic City Canines celebrated the 60th anniversary of the founding of our football program. Georgia Tech is not Georgia's traditional season-ending rival---Auburn is---and it's high time we dispensed with the Yellow Jackets early and moved on to more important rivals. Frankly, we have bigger fish to fry.
Since I wrote that, the Red and Black’s record against the Ramblin’ Wreck has improved to 30-12 since my birth, so you’ll pardon me if the rivals I emphasize come clad in orange rather than yellow. Naturally, I understand that several devoted Bulldog fans feel differently, but surely no one would argue that Georgia-Georgia Tech is more of a fixture at the end of the regular season than Michigan-Ohio State. If there is nothing sacrosanct about keeping the yearly smackdown between the Buckeyes and the Wolverines at the conclusion of the autumn slate, though, why should the annual affray between the Bulldogs and the Yellow Jackets be any different?
As with Georgia-Georgia Tech, Michigan-Ohio State is far from ancient as a season-ending rivalry game. The Maize and Blue had capped off their regular slates against Chicago, Cornell, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn, Princeton, Syracuse, Toronto, and Wisconsin, inter alia, ere they ever ended a fall against the Buckeyes in the Wolverines’ 39th season of fielding a varsity football squad. In 1935, when Michigan and Ohio State began their continuous run of season-ending meetings, the two teams were meeting in the final game of the campaign for just the second time. Before that, the Bucks had finished off the season against Iowa, Michigan State, and Minnesota once each, against Indiana thrice, against Northwestern four times, against Kenyon College (which is more famous for its association with John Crowe Ransom than for its football team) twelve times, and against Illinois 14 times (all in the 15 years from 1919 to 1933).
In short, there is a lot of history---even a lot of Big Ten conference history---that precedes the placement of the Michigan-Ohio State game at the conclusion of each team’s schedule, so it should shock exactly no one that the league’s second expansion in a 20-year period may restore the status quo ante 1935. The corollary to that is this:
Georgia ended the season against Georgia Tech for the first time in 1927, nearly a decade after Michigan ended the season against Ohio State for the first time. Notwithstanding the 2001 aberration as a result of the September 11 terrorist attacks, Georgia permanently placed Georgia Tech at the end of the Bulldogs’ schedule in 1953, nearly two decades after Michigan permanently placed Ohio State at the end of the Wolverines’ schedule.
Our in-state rivalry has less history as a season-ending showdown than the Big Ten border war. If they can move their game, we can move ours. The case for doing so is especially compelling, in light of the relative degrees to which circumstances have changed in both series since both became locked in at the end of the schedule.
For all the sturm und drang that went on this summer, the Big Ten is a remarkably stable league. Eight of the eleven current members joined the conference prior to the turn of the 20th century, and Nebraska is about to become the second new member admitted after 1950 and the third after 1912. The pace of growth in the Midwestern athletic association since Michigan and Ohio State agreed to knock heads in late November every year has been glacial. (Insert your "SEC speed!" joke here.)
The same cannot be said for the situation in the South since the Bulldogs and the Yellow Jackets made ending the autumn against one another an annual thing. In the last half-century, two teams have left the SEC and two more have joined, Georgia Tech has tried life as a football independent and subsequently joined the ACC, and the transition from conference rivals to non-conference rivals has been made more challenging for Georgia and Georgia Tech alike by the expanding of their respective leagues to twelve teams arrayed in two divisions.
Michigan and Ohio State have never ended a season against each other except as conference rivals; Georgia and Georgia Tech last clashed as league foes on the Saturday after John F. Kennedy’s funeral. Midwestern football has undergone incremental adjustments which may necessitate this move; Southern football has changed dramatically since "clean old-fashioned hate" became a Thanksgiving fixture for reasons no longer relevant to the world in which we are living.
With whom would we replace the Yellow Jackets on the final Saturday of the season? My preference would be Auburn; the Plainsmen are the Bulldogs’ oldest rival, against whom the Red and Black closed out the season 18 times in the first 23 years of Georgia football. If folks would like to go out of conference, I’d be happy with Clemson; five times in their history, the Country Gentlemen have ended their campaign against the Athenians, with four of those clashes taking place on Thanksgiving Day. (I love Georgia/Auburn/Clemson rivalry trivia!)
The more likely and probably better course, though, would be for the ‘Dawgs to wrap up their regular-season slate against an SEC East opponent. Let Tennessee decide whether it is more important for the Volunteers to close out the campaign against Kentucky or Vanderbilt, and let Georgia square off with whichever one the Big Orange doesn’t choose. Let South Carolina go back to playing Clemson earlier in the year---"Big Thursday" matched the Palmetto State combatants in a midseason weekday contest from 1896 until 1959, and the two teams did not face off in a season-ender before 1962---and let us get the Gamecocks during their November swoon instead of during their early surge. Let Florida face Florida State sooner on the slate---the Saurians and the Seminoles met in September or October on eleven occasions between 1960 and 1976---and move the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party to a holiday weekend. Any of those options would elevate the importance of the Bulldogs’ final game, which would count in the conference standings and could determine whether Georgia wins the East. Better to end the regular season playing for a trip to Atlanta than playing in Atlanta, I say.
For the love of all things holy, though, let’s quit giving the Yellow Jackets pride of place on our schedule. Get that game out of the way earlier so we can focus on our Southeastern Conference slate. If Michigan and Ohio State can bump their contest to an earlier date, so can Georgia and Georgia Tech. The timing would be cleaner, more old-fashioned, and just as fueled as we need it to be with hate.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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I agree 100%
It would also be nice to get Tech earlier in the year before they get the timing necessary to run an option-oriented offense nailed down. The Nats can hoot and holler all they like about how much of a genius Paul Johnson is, but the fact remains that it always takes a good portion of the early part of the season in order to develop the necessary cohesion to competently run the triple option no matter how smart your coach is and how many starters you return.
When I played high school ball (good grief I’m turning into one of those guys), we ran a very similar offensive system. Our coach was a gentleman named Mike Earwood. He was known in coaching circles as “The Wing-T Mastermind.” He knew this option offense like the back of his hand, and could coach up players with incredible ease, but every year our offense would have its struggles to start the year, because you need the in-game experience to get all those moving parts working in harmony.
Even though we only have a sample size of two, Tech has been the same way under Johnson. They have early season offensive hiccups against the likes of Miami, BC, or Virginia Tech, before they get the ball rolling toward the end of the season.
If we were to get Tech while they were still working out their kinks and South Carolina when they were in the midst of their usual November meltdown, I’d be all for it.
Sic 'em Dawgs
by ClassicCityDawg on Aug 20, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
I feel like you’d have a hard time convincing Auburn to give up ending their season with Alabama. They fought hard for decades to get that game in Auburn and not Birmingham, so I can’t imagine they’d be inclined to change much.
As a Clemson fan, I have no interest in letting South Carolina off the hook. They will come and get their beating at the appropriately scheduled time like they do most years.
I bet Tennessee would probably be the most likely to go for this.
You're probably right about the Iron Bowl, . . .
. . . even though Georgia-Auburn has been a far, far more stable rivalry than Alabama-Auburn has been.
That said, I’m not convinced by your logic. You are correct that Auburn has been the driving force behind changing the game. Why would Auburn be in a position to claim that ending the season against Alabama is sacred but Birmingham ought to have been dumped? Legion Field is at least as integral a part of the heritage of the Iron Bowl as playing the game right after Thanksgiving, after all. If you can change one, you can change the other.
If you can change one longstanding tradition, you can change another. Isn’t that what “Fiddler on the Roof” taught us?
Go 'Dawgs!
I’m not saying that they have a right to claim that as more traditional. I’m saying that considering the amount of effort that it even took to get a home game in that series, I don’t really see them having any desire to upend their current arrangement with Alabama. As far as I can tell with Auburn fans, they’re satisfied with the status quo regarding games with Georgia. This is your dream, not theirs. :-p
by OrangeBritches on Aug 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, OrangeBritches.
I concede their right to plead alternately and inconsistently.
Agreed, NCT, but at least it’s not as bad as moving a team from New Orleans to Salt Lake City and still calling it “Jazz,” or from Minneapolis to Los Angeles and still calling it “Lakers.”
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Aug 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep the GT game where it is...
Imagine going to the UGA v. GT game without the weather being in some state of horrible…The game just would not be the same! Plus, I have always enjoyed scheduling my Thanksgiving plans around this game…
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So you're saying...
…that you would be in favor of placing the Florida game at a time where there is even more pressure on Georgia to win? I’m not sure I can get on board with that one. We’re already screwed up in the head in that game enough as it is.
Wait a minute...
While I agree that UGA/Tech isn’t as important as it used to be due to GT’s different conference affiliation, it seems that moving Auburn to the end of the schedule (an SEC opponent wouldn’t do this) would create the same problem that OSU/Mich is hoping to prevent. They don’t want a matchup in the Big X Championship that was played on the field a week or two earlier.
Yeah, repeat games are a nature of the dual-division system (see Tennessee/LSU in 2001, UGA/LSU in 2003 and Tennessee/Auburn in 2004), but those games were spaced apart by a couple months.
Now I’d love to see Clemson back on our schedule permanently, but wouldn’t that create some of the problems that you say are wrong with the Tech game? We have a relatively large margin of victory in the series with Clemson (and Tech), and they’re a nonconference opponent.
Also, we’d only get two cupcake games if we put Clemson on permanently!
I kid, I think strength of schedule alone would boost UGA’s credentials a ton in that scenario.
But I say keep Tech (or Clemson, if it were possible to permanently put them on the schedule) for the last game. While it’s still a big game that can have major consequences (see UF/FSU in 1996), there’s a certain amount of stress that’s taken off the team because it DOESN’T determine a division championship.
Minor tangent: What would you guys think about a system like baseball where conference wins count normally in the SEC Standings, but OOC games count as half games in SEC Standings? Taking a real-world example, in 2007, UGA would have gone to the SEC Championship game because UT lost two SEC games and an OOC game with CA. It would also give OOC games more weight. Thoughts?
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by Sam Robards, Dawg Fan on Aug 20, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
Let me elaborate...
On my tangent: In my 2007 scenario, the “standings” would look a little like this (before SECCG):
UGA (6-2 SEC, 10-2 Overall, Leader)
UT (6-2 SEC, 9-3 Overall, .5 Games Behind)
UF (5-3 SEC, 9-3 Overall, 1 Game Behind)
etc.
So what say you?
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by Sam Robards, Dawg Fan on Aug 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah...
I see what you’re getting at, but I don’t want to give a team even more incentive to schedule weak non-conference opponents. I like the idea of UGA branching out and playing teams like Okie State, Colorado, Boise State, etc., but these games do not hinder our ability to win the SEC. If they did, we may get a full slate of cupcakes.
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Move it
I think moving a traditional rivalry game against an out of conference opponent is the right thing to do here. We are seeing more emphasis placed on scheduling quality, non-conference, early season games (Chic-Fil-A Kickoff game, Ohio State v. Texas/Miami, Texas v. UCLA, Georgia v. OSU). The game would mean just as much to everyone in September as it does in November. Not to mention, in closing with an out-of-conference game, the game generally has no SECCG implications. Truth be told, I sort of like the idea of kicking off the season with Tech, though I doubt that will ever happen.
Auburn would be a great opponent. The proximity to Atlanta would make for easy post-Thanksgiving travels for everyone in the metro Atlanta area. Many years, the game would have implications for one or both teams in terms of SEC Championship births. That said, you’ve still got the same problem with a potential rematch in the SEC game, which would be sort of a disaster. (and I see Sam Robards beat me to this point).
I don’t really care when we play them, but I would like to see us rotate Tech and Clemson every two years. The Clemson game every 10 years isn’t enough.
not drunk, just overserved
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Aug 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
Movie it, Cancel it, rotate it, I hate Tech
If we move the game, I agree about the need for playing an SEC east opponent due to possible championship rematch if SEC west.
As for canceling it, I hate being locked into a traditional out of conference game every year. At least the Florida/FSU game is interesting from a national perspective. Although Tech did win the ACC last year, they still are nationally an afterthought. The game limits our scheduling. We are already locked in our scheduling because of the WLOCP (which I don’t want to change), and the Tech game locks us from scheduling other BCS out of conference schools while still balancing the difficulty of our schedule. I have enjoyed watching/attending the games against the Sun Devils, Pokes, Buffalos, etc. Can we just play tech two years on and two years off and open our schedule up a bit? Heck, we can play Clemson a little more, then.
by millenniumdawg on Aug 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
I like the game where it is
I’ve always thought it’s a nice game to have at the end of the season. GT is almost never much of a threat, so it’s low pressure. It’s a traditional rivalry played in traditional football weather (a chill in the air). In a way, it’s almost like a mini-bowl game; the result won’t hurt us in conference standings, and the team we’re playing is from a different conference.
Nowadays, with the new triple option, I like playing them last even more. I wouldn’t want to spend part of our summer practice preparing for an offense we’ll only see once, nor part of our mid-season practices. Preparing for such a weird, unfamiliar offense, to me, adds even more to the mini-bowl feel. Additionally, there’s a long break afterward to shake off that week of aberrant practice spent working on defending the TO.
Lastly, I think it’s a bit odd to use the long history of MICH-OSU as part of your argument. I can’t remember the last time someone said two teams have ONLY played at the end of the year for 75 years! I know UGA-Auburn is longer, but 75 years is a looooong time.
I'm not so much saying that they've only played at the end of the year for 75 years.
I’m saying that, even though they’ve played at the end of the year for 75 years, they’re willing to change and they had history prior to that point, so it’s only marginally a big deal.
Unquestionably, Michigan and Ohio State have been playing one another at the end of the year long enough to call it a tradition, and, equally unquestionably, neither Michigan nor Ohio State has had a “traditional” season-ender with another team comparable to Georgia’s early tradition of ending the season against Auburn. Nevertheless, circumstances have changed, so the Buckeyes and the Wolverines can change with them.
Georgia playing Georgia Tech at the end of the year isn’t as deeply ingrained a tradition as Michigan playing Ohio State at the end of the year, and our circumstances have changed much more dramatically than the Big Ten’s have. Both the Bulldogs and the Yellow Jackets have been de-emphasizing their game against one another in recent years; Paul Johnson very clearly has stressed winning the ACC over beating Georgia, and the Ramblin’ Wreck fan base certainly seems to be with him on that. I rarely say this, but it applies here: let’s follow the Big Ten’s lead.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Aug 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
I somehow didn’t think of that. Nice catch!
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by Sam Robards, Dawg Fan on Aug 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Crap
I meant this comment to be in response to JMan781.
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by Sam Robards, Dawg Fan on Aug 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

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