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Thomas Jefferson's Correspondence Evidenced Respect for the University of Georgia

In his recent Dawgography, Doug Gillett made a passing mention of the fact that he, as a University of Georgia graduate, oftentimes is on the receiving end of some good-natured ribbing from his father, a University of Virginia alum. Wrote Doug:

Now, when it comes to academics, my dad rarely misses an opportunity to tell me how UVA is the closest thing to a "public Ivy" and, oh yeah, Thomas Jefferson founded the place.

In a comment commending Doug on his posting, I suggested a defense against such remarks:

For what it’s worth, prior to the founding of the University of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to one of the early University of Georgia presidents (I’m pretty sure it was Josiah Meigs, but I need to look that up before stating it with certainty) telling him that colleges like Georgia would forge the future of science and industry in the South.

I know I have a book of Jefferson’s letters with that letter in it somewhere . . . remind me, and I’ll get you the details, so you can have something to counter with next time.

In response, NCT offered a bit of encouragement:

Ooh. Do share.

When you find that Jefferson letter, let us all in on it.

It took some doing to hunt it down---my library contains no shortage of books about either Thomas Jefferson or the University of Georgia---and it turns out that my memory is slightly faulty (although, in my defense, it was only slightly faulty).

A bit of background is in order: Lyman Hall, signer of the Declaration of Independence and governor of Georgia, was a proponent of public education. While serving as the chief executive of the Empire State of the South, Hall called upon Abraham Baldwin to develop a plan for secondary and post-secondary education. Baldwin’s comprehensive plan, which mirrored a similar plan devised by Thomas Jefferson for the Old Dominion, led to the chartering of the University of Georgia on January 27, 1785. Later that year, Baldwin was elected to the Continental Congress, and, in 1787, he represented Georgia at the Constitutional convention.

Josiah Meigs, a political supporter of Jefferson who regularly corresponded with the Sage of Monticello later in life, succeeded Baldwin as president of the University in 1801. It was Meigs who presided over Franklin College when the first classes were held, and it was Meigs who implemented the physics curriculum at the institution at which the LeConte brothers matriculated.

On May 20, 1803, Jefferson (who was then the president of the United States) wrote the following to Meigs (who was then the president of the University of Georgia):

It is with great pleasure I learn that the college of Georgia is under your care. Science is indispensibly necessary for the support of a Republican government, and it is to the middle and southern States we must look for support until the clerical chains in which the New England states are bound can be broken or lightened.

Obviously, Jefferson was generalizing about the deficiencies of a northeastern education more than he was praising the University of Georgia specifically, but the fact remains that, several years before founding the University of Virginia upon principles similar to those advanced by Hall, Baldwin, and Meigs, Jefferson was holding up the institution in Athens as an example of what a state university ought to be.

And that’s another Bulldog point of pride!

Go ‘Dawgs!

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I may have to pull down my College Life in the Old South again. It’s been a few years.

by NCT on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I once heard there was a follow-up letter which showed prudent concern regarding

the goings-on in Atlanta in which Jefferson was quoted to say:

“President Meigs, I cast a leery eye towards your east where the yellow-clad fellows Vespula vulgaris are attempting to join our conference in sport. Can you intervene with superior numbers? Perhaps we can meet for a pint in the near future at the Eagle Tavern? Regards.
         -T.J."

Of course, this letter is probably lost to history and the chronology of events, dates, even whether or not Tech existed in 1801 is certainly debatable.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Good one . . .

. . . although, yes, the Institute is younger than the University by a full century, and I’m pretty sure Atlanta is to the west of Athens. :)

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 31, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mea Culpa

And I was a geography major. I hang my head in shame. This is exactly why my wife usually drives.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that particular letter was written in reference to a school to the East which joined the conference almost 200 years later...

Jefferson had clearly confused the Yellow Jacket with a chicken of some kind…. probably due to all the drinking and philandering.

The yellow-clad comment obviously refers to players and fans of said university after one of Garcia’s drunken, public urination fiascoes.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't."
- Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Jul 31, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

RC...

that’s why you are a teacher and I am an ex-teacher. Kudos, and a pint of your choice, fine sir.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 31, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

not only that ...

I’m pretty sure Atlanta didn’t exist in Jefferson’s lifetime.

Clarke County is in Georgia’s Western Judicial Circuit, because Athens (and, I suppose, Watkinsville) is about as far west as civilization (of the U.S. variety) went within the state at the time it was named.

by NCT on Jul 31, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being from Watkinsville

I can appreciate your setting of the record. But there was a time when Watkinsville was certainly not considered civilized…and the Eagle Tavern was certainly perceived (fair or not) as a major reason why. Those Oconee County folk could certainly be a rowdy bunch, what with their wine, women and song. It’s funny how long Oconee county remained a “dry” county, too.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 31, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the reasons the University was situated in Athens . . .

. . . was that Watkinsville was considered to have too active a night life to be a suitable spot for students. Just imagine all the emerging from alleys that would be going on had Franklin College been located there.

Moreover, the tradition of having the Clarke County sheriff lead the procession, sword in hand, at commencement dates back to the days when it was believed that Indian attack was a real possibility.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 31, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad UGA wasn't located in Bogart...

I can imagine the jokes our rivals would have made over the years…

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 31, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Piece of Dawg history

And they say sports bloggers are unsophisticated, drunk, basement dwelling knuckleheads.

Its always good to learn more about uga history and those who helped form the university who’s athletic accomplishments we love to enjoy.

Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

I Corinthians 9:24

by Southern Dawg on Jul 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

we are only unsophisticated and drunk

when our favorite team has a rough time on the field. Otherwise, we are perfectly normal law abiding citizens. It’s a Jekyll/Hyde thing.

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Jul 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

I’ve been pretty unsophisticated and drunk when we were winning, too…like whuppin’ those Yellow-Clad fellows last year (hence the “I’m so jacked I just ate a stick of butter” moment ;-)

So I guess I’m saying that being unsophisticated and drunk does have it’s merits under certain circumstances.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jul 31, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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