UF-FSU has ended the season since 1980. It's also the same weekend as Alabama-Auburn, Notre Dame-USC, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Texas-Texas A&M and Oklahoma-Oklahoma State. You are supposed to play a rival on Thanksgiving weekend.
Alligator Army explains its opposition to moving the Florida-Florida State game.
Look, I'm not going to butt in on another school's business; if it matters to the Gator faithful that they keep their in-state grudge match with the Seminoles at the end of the season, that's fine with me.
However, plenty of rivalry games occur at other times of the year, including the clash between the Fighting Irish and the Trojans, which occurs at midseason when the combatants meet in South Bend. Colorado and Colorado State square off at the start of the autumn, as do Kentucky and Louisville, while Iowa and Iowa State face off shortly after the start of the fall.
If Florida insists upon meeting Florida State in late November, that's none of my concern, but there's absolutely no rule that says you have to play your in-state rival at Thanksgiving!
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T Kyle King
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This is like voting for the other side
But the Alligator Army guy is right. We shouldn’t move UGA/Tech (no matter your reasons), and neither should FSU/UF move. Growing up with UF leaning relatives, I’m well aware of the significance of the mid-90’s end of season throw-downs between UF and FSU.
That's it exactly:
You’re aware of how much their late-season tussles mattered in “the mid-90’s.” They’re intent on preserving a tradition that has stood “since 1980.” Florida State didn’t field a team before 1947, the Seminoles didn’t face the Gators before 1958, and Florida finished up the regular season against Miami eleven times in the fourteen years between 1966 and 1979. Lehigh-Lafayette it ain’t.
I don’t buy the premise that playing these games late in the year made them more significant. The ‘Noles have played plenty of early-season and mid-season games against the ’Canes that essentially decided national championships, while the winless Gators’ victory over undefeated No. 16 FSU on October 16, 1971, didn’t mean less in Gainesville just because it occurred two weeks prior to Halloween.
Even if I did accept that premise, though, it’s purely a modern development. If it matters to them to keep it, that’s fine, but it’s not something sacrosanct and inviolable; it’s just a preference, not a defining tradition. So it is with our season-ending game against the Yellow Jackets; it’s a longstanding practice that developed rather late in our gridiron history, and the reasons for continuing that practice have aged poorly now that the two teams no longer are league rivals.
Paul Johnson has spent a great deal of time minimizing the significance of the rivalry now that he has restored the Ramblin’ Wreck as a force in the ACC, and it’s only fair for us to take him at his word. We should get the non-conference contests out of the way early so we can focus on what matters: winning the SEC East.
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Not to ask a dumb question
But how do you think that traditions come to be? They’re relatively unimportant decisions that last over time.
That's true of some traditions, but by no means all.
Some traditions are quite deliberately designed, although I see your point.
I’m not simply arguing for tradition for tradition’s sake; I’m looking at the underlying reasons. It made a certain degree of sense to end the season against Georgia Tech in the old “hate season” years in which we always ended the year against Florida, Auburn, and Georgia Tech, in that order. We no longer do that. (We also used to play Clemson every year, play Ole Miss every year, and play Kentucky and Vanderbilt back-to-back every year. Many decisions, important and otherwise, last over time without lasting forever.)
Moreover, the Yellow Jackets no longer are our conference rivals, which relegates them very much to second-class status as far as rivals are concerned. Beating Florida matters more. Beating Auburn matters more. Beating Tennessee matters more. That doesn’t mean beating Georgia Tech doesn’t matter—-it certainly does matter—-but not as much as those other games.
I’m simply advocating scheduling that takes account of modern realities such as conference expansion, Georgia Tech’s departure from the SEC, and the existence of a league championship game. If we can restore an older tradition in the process, so much the better, but I’m hardly arguing for blind obedience to longstanding practices here; to the contrary, I’m in favor of changing with changing times.
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Thanksgiving
It also mattered more when freshmen couldn’t play varsity ball and the UGA-GT game was accompanied by the Thanksgiving charity game between the Bullpups and Baby Jackets, which turned the rivalry into a long-long-weekend event.
But for the record, I’m for keeping the Tech game at the end of the season. I agree that it’s not sacrosanct and inviolable, but as traditions go, it’s a hell of a lot older than our current pre-game traditions (lone trumpeter and all that), the Dawg Walk, and trashing North Campus.
I like the idea of having a final regular-season game that matters intensely to both sides. Georgia-Auburn will not be bigger than UA-AU, UF needs to stay hovered around Halloween weekend, and I’m not prepared to elevate the Tennessee series thus (which is still in its infancy as an annual rivalry).
[I’m often amused by the fact that I’m mightily progressive in my politics, but when it comes to college football, I’m downright reactionary.]
A quick nod to blackertai
There’s no rule that says UGA has to have two cahones but I feel sure Kyle would insist upon it. Home town quirks are special.
Once again, that's y'all's call to make . . .
. . . but you’re right to call it what it is: a “quirk,” nothing more than that.
Your analogy does not withstand scrutiny. To have two testicles is merely to conform to the natural order, but no natural order dictates that SEC contenders give pride of place on their schedules to ACC rivals (or vice versa). In the first 33 seasons in which Georgia fielded a football team, the Red and Black ended the season against Auburn eighteen times, against Alabama four times, against Clemson three times, against the Savannah Athletic Club twice, against Centre twice, against Furman once, against Dartmouth once, against North Carolina once, against Virginia once, and against Georgia Tech not one time.
If we stuck with the order nature dictated from the outset—-which your emphasis upon cajones would require—-we’d have to conclude that ending the season against a Yellowhammer State SEC squad or one of three out-of-state ACC teams has more historical tradition than a local quirk that ceased to have either charm or relevance when Bobby Dodd ceased to be the coach on the sidelines and became instead the name on the stadium.
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by T Kyle King on May 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the first 33 seasons
Two of those first 33 seasons, we didn’t play Tech at all because Heisman hated America. I’m not about to let that hateful [insert WWI-era German epithet] play any part, however small, in an argument for or against any scheduling tradition.
Since before Sanford Stadium was built, Tech’s been our last game of the season, but for a handful of times the team took trips to LA or Miami in what appear to have been no more than pre-bowl-proliferation warm-weather junkets (and in those handul of seasons, Tech was the penultimate game).
Would I go to the Tech game if it moved to an earlier date? Of course. Would I lament it as the end of the world? No. But it feels right to me. And where college football’s concerned, that’s reason enough to take a position.
Is it really having cajones?
At this point, the games don’t matter for anything other than bragging rights. If either of the two SEC teams are to play in Atlanta the week following their annual Thanksgiving showdown, their plane tickets will already have been booked before Turkey Day. If either of the two ACC teams are to play in Jacksonville, err…Tampa, err…Charlotte, their Trailways boarding passes will also already have been issued.
The games carry no substantial consequences other than having to listen to rival in-state fans yammering for a year. In my opinion, if it truly were a decision involving cajones, it would be much more Ron Jeremy-like to schedule a game with major implications involved (such as Georgia – Auburn, Georgia – Tennessee, Florida – South Carolina, Florida – LSU). Can you imagine a situation where both Georgia and Auburn needed to win the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry to punch a ticket to Atlanta a week later? The drama would be incredible.
by hailtogeorgia on May 19, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Kyle used to say IRT to playing Tech at the end of the year:
“If we win – then mostly it’s expected, and we gain nothing, if we lose, then it’s a horrible way to go out (both in the media and morale), and we lose a lot”. There is no way on earth the Iron Bowl is going to change – period. But the bottom line is we get no benifet from playing Tech last. The emotions of the game are mostly Tech fan based and the rivarly stand point isnt the same in decades. I dont know who would could play – but rescheduling somehow to play an SEC team would be good. UT for the last game of the year sounds pretty good, or Ole Miss (oh, except the Egg Bowl is never going to change either).
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Tradition sounds like a very convenient concept....
..for someone to invoke in favor of something they’re for and toss aside with something they’re against. I think that there are some traditions we could have done without, or that outlived their time. But playing the other in-state BCS team on T-Day weekend has its uses. First off, the idea that Auburn will drop the Iron Bowl to play us that weekend is simply a facetious notion. That goes for our other annual rivals, too. And if our program is where we want it to be late every season, in the mix for a shot at Atlanta and even greater things beyond, the last week of the season is NOT the time that we want to stick an Idaho State or a GA Southern on the schedule. Finally, if one wants to change annual dates of certain games to our better advantage, I can think of several better examples than the techsters.
I think our final game every year should be against South Carolina.
I’m tired of always playing them before the discover that they suck.
Excellent suggestion!
They play Clemson every T-Day weekend but how about swapping dates against them with Florida .
its the same problem as Tech though - if we win - so what, if we lose - we end the season embarrased
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Rivalry Week
Although there are a few rivalry games scheduled earlier in the season as Kyle points out above, mostly all of the good ones are Thanksgiving week. Frankly, I wouldn’t want it any other way. Thanks to marketing and ESPN, we have Rivalry Week to look forward to every Thanksgiving weekend.
While Kentucky/Louisville, Colorado/Colorado State and Iowa/Iowa State technically qualify as rivalry games because they are played by in-state opponents, does anyone outside the stadium actually care about the outcome?!?! Compare that to Alabama/Auburn, Texas/Texas A&M, Oklahoma/Oklahoma State….even UCLA/USC and BYU/Utah. These games are interesting and worth watching for pure excitement, if not national championship implications. There are so many great rivalries that weekend – I would call it my favorite week of the year. Thanksgiving with family and then a plethora of great games spread out over several days. Heaven on earth.
Now why would we want to start moving games and messing something like that up?!?!
I agree with you,
but I think a lot of the games could be switched out and still be good games. Texas/Oklahoma is earlier in the season, as is Texas/Texas Tech. I think it would be great to have big games with conference implications on the line as the last game of the regular season. That said, I like the current format as well, and I’m not exactly advocating changing it, just playing Devil’s Advocate I guess.
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