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Quality and Quantity: A Look at the Georgia Bulldogs' Non-Conference Record

(Warning: It is not a stretch to suggest that the posting that follows easily could be read as an optimistic assessment reaching the conclusion that the glass in Athens is half-full. Proceed with caution, and with the understand that I’m not any happier about that fact than you are.)

Earlier today, David Hale offered the latest installment of his "fun with numbers" series, in which he examined the non-conference records of prominent BCS programs. It should come as a surprise to no one (though it likely would come as a considerable shock to several outside of SEC country) that Georgia fares pretty well in that regard. The Bulldogs went 21-3 against non-SEC foes from 2005 to 2009 and their .875 winning percentage matched that of Boston College and Missouri while trailing only Florida (23-1), Louisiana State (23-1), Southern California (20-1), Penn State (22-2), Texas (22-2), Wisconsin (22-2), and Kansas (20-2).

Against out-of-conference opponents from other leagues that qualify automatically for inclusion in the BCS, the Red and Black have been even more impressive in comparison to the rest of the field. In terms of total wins, Georgia’s 11-3 trails only USC’s 16-1 and is ahead of Florida’s 10-1 and LSU’s 8-1.

There’s simply no denying the Trojans their due; Pete Carroll’s club played serious schedules and defeated legitimate teams like Arkansas (in 2005 and 2006), Nebraska (in 2006 and 2007), and Ohio State (in 2008 and 2009). After the Men of Troy, though, the ‘Dawgs deserve considerable credit for their impressive non-conference slates. In addition to an annual end-of-season date against a Yellow Jacket program that has not missed out on a bowl game since 1996, Georgia has faced Boise State (in 2005), Colorado (in 2006), Oklahoma State (in 2007 and 2009), and Arizona State (in 2008 and 2009).

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The Gators, in the meantime, have faced a fair amount of schedule fodder, trading on the names of dilapidated Florida State (a team that has lost five or more games in four of the last five seasons) and Miami (which went 7-6 in a 2008 season in which the Hurricanes lost at Florida Field to the eventual national champion Saurians in a game that was a nailbiter after three periods) while otherwise tangling with the likes of Wyoming, Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina, Western Kentucky, Troy (twice), Florida Atlantic, Hawaii, The Citadel, Charleston Southern, and Florida International in the last five years.

LSU has not been quite as egregious about beefing up its out-of-conference ledger with third-tier opposition, as the Bayou Bengals have posted wins over Arizona State in 2005, Arizona in 2006, Virginia Tech in 2007, and Washington in 2009. Otherwise, though, the Fighting Tigers have tangled exclusively with North Texas (twice), Appalachian State (twice), Louisiana-Lafayette (twice), Tulane (four times), Fresno State (in the year the West Coast Bulldogs went 4-8), Middle Tennessee, Louisiana Tech (twice), and Troy.

That’s not to say the Classic City Canines have been entirely blameless when compiling their non-SEC slates, of course. We’ve had our share of Louisiana-Monroes, Western Kentuckies, Western Carolinas, and Tennessee Techs along the way, as well. However, Florida has picked on what was in the final years of the Bobby Bowden era a faded Florida State program gazing upward at Wake Forest, LSU has taken advantage of the fact that there are more college football teams in the Pelican State than there were military bases in the Peach State during Richard Russell’s heyday, and Georgia has faced a Georgia Tech squad that has captured two ACC division crowns in the last four years. The Bulldogs and the Tigers have taken up the challenge of meeting Pac-10 and WAC opponents both at home and on the road, while the Gators consistently have pushed the envelope to see how far they can water down their non-conference slates.

Naturally, it’s hard to argue with the results: Florida and Louisiana State may not have played out-of-conference schedules as daunting as Georgia’s, but the Sunshine State Saurians and the Pelican State Panthers each have won a pair of national championships in the last seven seasons while the Classic City Canines have not made it to the SEC championship game since 2005.

Perhaps it is open for debate whether the ‘Dawgs are scheduling themselves out of contention for titles. What is not open for debate, though, is the fact that the Bulldogs’ 21-3 non-SEC ledger, like Southern California’s 20-1 record in contests outside the Pac-10, represents a real accomplishment. Not every other upper-echelon Southeastern Conference program can make the same claim, and, when we add Georgia’s league ledger as compared to Florida’s and LSU’s into the mix, it becomes clear that the program in Athens is in significantly better shape relative to its coevals than last year’s disappointing record suggested.

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Dang

That should be “understanding,” not “understand,” in the first paragraph.

See what optimism gets me? it worsens still further my already suspect grammar.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 16, 2010 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

Hate to rain on the optimistic parade...

 but, while out of conference records are useful in comparing us to the likes of Southern Cal and Ohio State, it doesn’t really mean a damn when comparing us to Florida and LSU, especially when those teams beat us during the regular season. How strong is the argument that “our schedule is harder”, when your facing head-to-head on a field and you lose? While LSU is off the table for a while, I hope this is the year to take advantage of the situation down in Gainesville.

by mbrd71 on Feb 17, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Independant of the "our schedule is harder" argument...

If we’re not beating Florida and LSU, then we’re not winning the SEC, and that is goal #1. I’m not disagreeing with you, mbrd71. I’m with you entirely, and just want to take your point one step further; the fact that they’re beating us face-to-face means they’re beating us face-to-face and it precludes us from winning the SEC.

by marktheshark on Feb 17, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

In fairness...

While Richt has not been good against UF, he’s 3-3 against LSU with a split in two SEC title games. Or, basing on the last five years, he’s 2-1 and 1-0 in the SEC title game against them.

by Biggus Rickus on Feb 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

We Need To Be Careful

We all know that UGA has a rough non-conference schedule. If nothing else, we play a very competitive GT every year. However, the Athletic Department must also be very careful with our remaining non-conference schedule.

Any perceived weakness in our future scheduling can more than be made up for with our beastly SEC slate. If we can regularly beat UF, UA, LSU, UT and the like, no one will care that we also beat the “Southwest Idaho Techs” and the “Kalamazoo States” of the world. The mere fact of winning the SEC (regardless of our non-conference schedule) puts UGA in a top-tier status with which no one in college football can argue.

Go ’Dawgs! GATA!

by HaroldWayneJenkins on Feb 17, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

yes, although I respect us for the tough games

and dont respect Florida for playing 3 patsies a year, ultimately, the only thing that matters is who wins in Atlanta. I think we should have one highlighted non conference game other than tech at most – the rest should be easy games.

Beating Florida, going to Atlanta, winning in Atlanta. Those are the things that matter to the pollsters and the final bowl selections.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Feb 17, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont care enough about Auburn to remember them in 2004.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Feb 17, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

I hate Auburn, and I have since 1892.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

hate gives them power. I prefer to ignore them.

“Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” – Yoda

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Feb 17, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I’d say that’s a fairly accurate description of the course of my fandom from the early ’80s to the present day.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

except when we beat Auburn.

You heard it here first. Yoda was wrong

by first and thom on Feb 17, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he was sorta right.

Hate leads to the opponent’s suffering.

by vineyarddawg on Feb 17, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

while we are talking Auburn and Florida - here you go: (heard here first)

I expect to lose to Auburn this fall. It doesn’t matter what team we have or what team they have – it’s just time.

Good news is, we can beat Florida. And that should give us a really good chance at Atlanta. I hope we beat UT into dust though regardless.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Feb 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

I expect to lose to Auburn every fall . . .

. . . and reports of the Gators’ demise are greatly exaggerated.

Florida will be down, but a falling tide lowers all boats and the division will be weaker from top to bottom. The argument that this is the year to get the Gators is predicated on three factors: (1) they have to replace their starting quarterback, (2) they lost some key guys to the NFL on defense, and (3) they’re breaking in a new defensive coordinator who’s bringing his system from the NFL.

So we’re perfectly poised to beat them, right? Well, unless you consider the fact that we have to replace our starting quarterback, we lost some key guys to the NFL on defense, and we’re breaking in a new defensive coordinator who’s bringing his system from the NFL. Oh, wait . . .

I have long-term confidence in the program and faith in its new direction, but we’re starting over next year. Aaron Murray has never taken a collegiate snap and neither has any Georgia defender when executing Todd Grantham’s system. I look for us to go 8-4, with an 0-for-orange run through Tennessee, Florida, and Auburn, along with a head-slapping loss to someone (probably South Carolina) to whom we have no business losing.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

As Herschel said, “We were too naive and stupid to know that Notre Dame was bigger, faster, supposed to beat us. We went out and played.”

It was all about believing they could win. In that session he also said growing up in Wrightsville no one ever told him he wasn’t supposed to be able to run fast because he was so big. (I horribly paraphrased because I was too lazy to go look it up, but I posted the video last night.)

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Feb 17, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's partly about believing they can win . . .

. . . and I certainly wouldn’t share my pessimism in a team meeting if I were asked to give a pregame pep talk to the Bulldogs. (I could, by the way, give a heck of a pregame pep talk if called upon to do so.)

It’s also about game planning, adjustments, discipline, intelligence, execution, and talent.

I don’t mean to disparage your point, podunkdawg, because it is a good one as far as it goes . . . it just only goes so far. We haven’t been lacking in heart. We’ve been lacking in body and brain.

We need to play smarter more than we need to play harder, although playing harder wouldn’t hurt. We just don’t need to think we’re winning any games in 2010 in which we only complete one pass because we did it once 30 years ago; that ain’t happening again. We also don’t need to place our faith in stupidity and naivete to beat size, speed, and superiority. That’s the strategy that’s gotten us blown out in Jacksonville the last two years.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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