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What is Georgia's role in NCAA's bid to toughen excessive celebration penalties?

http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2010/02/12/ncaa-moves-to-toughen-already-controversial-excessive-celebration-penalty/

The NCAA is talking about making Excessive Celebration/Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalties even more prevalent.  We all remember the AJ Green flag last year, but it's even bigger than that on a national scale.  It will have a huge impact on the game, which whether right or wrong will create controversy.  It is already an unfair, undefined rule that creates confusion. 

 

I think it might be logical to look back at our excessive celebration penalty against Florida.  We still remember that, right?  Sure, it led us to a pretty good season, but it didn't look good in the mainstream media, whether or not we liked it.  It was a desperation move and it worked, but it put us on the watch. 

 

Since then, we've been getting all kinds of penalties against us. 

 

http://georgia.scout.com/2/906664.html  :

 

 

But the data suggests the Bulldogs have been feeling the effect of the end zone dance for some time now – particularly in televised contests. Its not that Georgia was not a penalized team before they topped the Gators in 2007 – they were, but not nearly to the degree they have been after. In fact, Georgia was on pace to have one of the lowest numbers of total penalties against the team – 79.3 total penalties in 2007 – and the lowest number of penalty yards against

 

 In the 15 nationally televised games before the 2007 Florida game Georgia was flagged for 16 personal foul penalties. In the 15 nationally televised games after the 2007 Florida game the Dawgs were called for 29  personal fouls – almost double what was called in the same time before the Florida game.

Of Georgia’s 17 personal foul penalties in 2007, 14 of them came in the Florida game or afterwards – including four of them in their next nationally televised

It's an interesting topic, and I think it is probably somewhat true.  Can you blame them?  Without getting into the debate on The Celebration, it had to raise some eyebrows to the big cheeses.  Oh well, at least we won the game.

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As I have said many times before, fair or unfair, right or wrong, UGA must take the higher road and have zero celebrations of any kind.

Run to the sideline, be quiet, get back on the attack. If we know we are being watched, give zero oppurtunity. Then if we do get a PF for it, the fans and media have something to stand on.

"I look forward to developing an aggressive, physical, attacking style defense that offenses will not look forward to playing against." - Coach Grantham

by tankertoad on Feb 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

this

our guys can celebrate wins, but not td’s.

by first and thom on Feb 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

that is such an excellent line and way to phrase it

and it seems like it would be in line with CMR’s “the clock doesnt say zero” statement last year. I want an unending, relentless attack. 60 minutes of assault. Celebrate when you win.

"I look forward to developing an aggressive, physical, attacking style defense that offenses will not look forward to playing against." - Coach Grantham

by tankertoad on Feb 14, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What is Georgia's role in NCAA's bid to toughen excessive celebration penalties?

To provide test cases, or course.

"We have a lot of passionate fans at Georgia and we look forward to giving them something to be positive about."
-Todd Grantham.

by RedCrake on Feb 14, 2010 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

From our perspective yes...

Somehow I don’t think Penn Wagers will see it that way though.

"We have a lot of passionate fans at Georgia and we look forward to giving them something to be positive about."
-Todd Grantham.

by RedCrake on Feb 14, 2010 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In most cases,

it seems to me, that determining intent is vritually impossible. So, that leaves us with the spirit of the rule. In my mind, and based on what CVD and others on the rules committee stated when this rule was put in place, the spirit of the rule is to eliminate taunting and drawing an overly abundant amount of attention to yourself, rather than your team. AJ Greene, did neither in the LSU game, and I know that’s only one instance, but it’s the greatest example I remember of the ruling gone awry.

by EricBDawg on Feb 14, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Penn Wagers will not be denied.

That’s the problem with the guy. He’s more concerned with getting his face on TV than officiating the game properly.

"We have a lot of passionate fans at Georgia and we look forward to giving them something to be positive about."
-Todd Grantham.

by RedCrake on Feb 15, 2010 12:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

An even more interesting question

Is what constitutes an appropriate celebration? I mean, if there is an infraction titled “excessive” celebration doesn’t this carry the connotation that there exists a level of celebration that isn’t excessive? I’d like to hear Mike Slive or Penn Wagers’ explanation of such a celebration. Simply handing the ball to the ref and trotting to the sidelines seems to be “no” celebration – or, perhaps the officiating crew makes the assumption that the player is celebrating “on the inside”.

“Coaching ’em up” to not commit a penalty is certainly a goal of any coaching staff, but having a clear understanding of where the line of infraction begins and ends would help.

by DawginDC on Feb 15, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

this is all correct and true in a logical and thinking context

However, what UGA has dealt with since 2007 has not been logical or thinking. The only way to rid ourselves of the stigma is to assume in and all celebration will be penalized.

"I look forward to developing an aggressive, physical, attacking style defense that offenses will not look forward to playing against." - Coach Grantham

by tankertoad on Feb 15, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The way to deal with bad rules that you can't change

is either by civil disobedience or abject submission. We went all Walden on Penn Wagers in 2007, and he apparently missed the transcendental point we were making.

The time has come to submit to the injustice and hope that the pathos of just handing the ball to the official is enough to appease the angry yellow gods.

by first and thom on Feb 15, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We went all Walden on Penn Wagers in 2007, and he apparently missed the transcendental point we were making.

too good. I love this blog.

"I look forward to developing an aggressive, physical, attacking style defense that offenses will not look forward to playing against." - Coach Grantham

by tankertoad on Feb 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm wondering if

the powers that be haven’t determined that there shall be no further accepting a penalty (or deliberately creating a penalty) as a strategic decision. It happens all the time in college football. You don’t like the angle from this distance and need 5 more yards to get a better angle for kicking the ball through the goal post? No problem. 5 yard penalty for delay of game, solves it for you.
These are strategic choices made by coaches all the time, in college football and in all kinds of other sports and games (Baseball, chess etc.) The excessive celebration was a strategic decision by a coach. Whether it was right or wrong is another matter all together. Are the powers that be trying to say that no such strategic decisions will be allowed in the future without actually saying so?

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Feb 15, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

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