Why an NCAA-Wide Drug Policy is Necessary to Prevent the Georgia Bulldogs from Unilaterally Disarming Themselves
In the wake of the Jan Kemp scandal, the imposition of new standards for student-athletes at the University of Georgia made it more difficult for football players to be admitted to the institution in Athens than at other universities around the region. These heightened requirements were characterized by one highly-placed administrator as "unilateral disarmament." A quarter-century later, are the Georgia Bulldogs now unilaterally disarming themselves by enforcing elevated standards of a different sort?
Earlier today, vineyarddawg called our attention to a report indicating that Georgia is one of only two SEC schools to impose a minimum one-game suspension on athletes for an initial positive drug test. The Bulldogs’ primary division rivals, the Florida Gators, are one of four Division I-A teams with what FanHouse senior NCAA writer Brett McMurphy describes as "easily the nation’s most lenient policies," which permit players "up to five positive drug tests" prior to dismissal. Former NCAA director of enforcement and current Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe contends that such policies as Florida’s create "a competitive disadvantage."
Although such SEC schools as Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, and Mississippi State impose some of the nation’s "harshest penalties for a second positive test," at least half of the conference’s member institutions "allow more than three positive tests before dismissing a player," according to McMurphy’s report. The South Carolina Gamecocks, who previously booted players from the team after a second positive drug test, upped that number to four positive tests in 2005 before implementing a "three strikes and you’re out" rule in 2009.
Excluding Vanderbilt, a private university that declined to provide information to FanHouse, nine of eleven Southeastern Conference programs do not require a minimum suspension for a first positive test for recreational drugs; Georgia and Kentucky are the only two that impose a mandatory suspension for ten per cent of the season for an initial positive drug test. Only four SEC institutions (including Georgia) sit student-athletes for half of their games as a result of a second positive test.
In Gainesville, a second positive drug test gets a player the same suspension (10% of games) that a first positive drug test would get a player in Athens. Likewise, wayward Gators suffer the same punishment for fourth (50% of games) and fifth (dismissal) positive tests that misbehaving Bulldogs would receive for their second and third positive tests, respectively.
While Georgia’s Fulmer Cup victory brought forth snotty ridicule from folks who evidently lack the ability to draw fine distinctions, the reality is that Georgia enforces the league’s harshest anti-alcohol policy, and Doug Gillett has identified signs that Mark Richt may be making that policy even tougher. Evidently, the Bulldogs are equally committed to addressing recreational drugs, even though some of their conference coevals are not similarly inclined to take drug use seriously.
We already knew that Athens, home to multiple bars and draconian law enforcement, was a haven for alcohol-related offenses for athletes and non-athletes alike, ensuring that Georgia’s stringent anti-alcohol policy would produce punishments with teeth. Now we have to wonder whether the Bulldogs’ tougher anti-drug policies are putting the Red and Black at a competitive disadvantage to Florida, which is winning close games in Jacksonville with players conveniently reinstated to the roster while winning national championships with players like Percy Harvin, who reportedly failed a drug test at the NFL scouting combine.
Beebe believes such standards should be set and enforced at the school level because recreational drug use "doesn't get into the competition, the competitive piece. I think that it's better as an institutional decision within each school's own policy." The problem with Beebe’s approach is that it virtually assures a race to the bottom in which the lowest common denominator prevails, as teams that will do anything to win set ludicrously lax standards and their rivals are forced to cut corners to keep up or risk falling behind.
Ordinarily, I am not an advocate of centralizing authority at the national level, but setting a standard that is applicable throughout intercollegiate athletics is necessary in this instance. Georgia is unilaterally disarming itself by insisting that its student-athletes adhere to the law or be punished commensurately with their indiscretions. If insisting that scofflaw college football programs no longer treat recreational drug abuse by their players as a crime without a punishment is not an appropriate function for the NCAA, why do we have an NCAA?
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You bet we're disarming ourselves...
But I’d like to see the SEC step up here and mandate a Conference-wide policy. Our Conference has, at times, been a pioneering Conference and could establish a worthwhile precedent here. Of course, after Mike Slive essentially punted on 4th and Cam, I don’t expect anything to happen. But it would certainly send the right kind of message to the member institutions. Maybe the rest of the nation might take notice.

Let’s get this Conference back on the right track.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
"If you keep smoking pot, you're going to end up living in a van down by the river!"
Well, that, or in the NFL with a BCS national championship ring. Y’know, whatever.
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by T Kyle King on Dec 20, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the Georgia rule is called the "Quincy Carter Rule" .
Speaking of which, I believe it is impossible to name two people who have more damage to the Georgia football program than Jan Kemp and Quincy Carter.
Please do not lump Jan Kemp into the same category as Quincy Carter.
Jan Kemp made the courageous decision to speak up in the wake of massive academic fraud followed by an intentional cover-up by the UGA administration. Her whistle-blowing actions may have indirectly helped to cause the slide following UGA’s “unilateral disarmament,” but neither her intention nor her actions were in direct conflict with the athletic department when she was trying to deal with rampant academic fraud and the exploitation of certain young athletes.
This is a very sensitive topic for me, since I am personally acquainted with Ms. Kemp’s family, and I have personally seen the vile hatred, misinformation, and literal lifelong enmity that has followed her entire family around for the last 25+ years. I believe Ms, Kemp, may she rest in peace, was (metaphorically) driven to an early grave as a result of her actions in trying to make the athletic world more honest about its academic practices.
Jan Kemp should be hailed as a courageous groundbreaking individual, not reviled as a traitor who single-handedly cast Georgia football back into the 1950’s.
A quote from Jan:
All over the country, athletes are used to produce revenue. I’ve seen what happens when the lights dim and the crowd fades. They’re left with nothing. I want that stopped.
by vineyarddawg on Dec 21, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well said...
and I agree with that quote 1000%
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 21, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
The road to hell
is paved with good intentions.
Here you see exactly what I'm talking about.
Of the 3 replies to my comment, 2 are negative.
Mrkeg, the unfair targeting of athletes in non-revenue sports that you are alleging did not happen “because of Jan Kemp.” It happened because the UGA administration actively supported a policy of academic fraud and was caught.
Personally, (and I’m being totally serious here) I’d like to hear more about this exploitation of non-revenue athletes that you’re talking about. Where has this been previously reported, and what type of selective targeting of athletes with sub-par academics occurred?
And jujdawg… shit, man. All I can say is that I’m glad you’re not in my family.
by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
And, I, you, vineyarddawg. The truth is that God gives some people outstanding
athletic ability and some outstanding intellectual ability, and some with varying degrees of each. I simply do not believe that persons who were blessed with the former should be deprived of demonstrating those skills because they were not blessed with the latter.
Agreed...
the NCAA would probably loophole, overregulate, or find some other way to screw it up. Don’t rely on the corrupt idiots, just take care of it ourselves conference wide.
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Why exactly
are we advocating harsher penalties for something that should not be a crime in the first place? If a player is abusing alcohol, marijuana or anything else, they should be penalized appropriately, but if they are using any of those responsibly then….who cares? If responsible use of harmless substances merits a suspension, then Alec Ogletree (who, lest we forget, actually took something from another human because he wanted it) ought to be kicked out of the NCAA permanently.
Ok, if players smoke dope responsibly, then I think you are right....... / facepalm
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
I get it.
I’m a card-carrying member of a couple of national organizations for the reform of certain drug laws, but the fact is those laws haven’t been reformed. Consequently, I’ve had to adjust my personal conduct to conform to aspects of Georgia and U.S. law that I find objectionable. I think of it, to an extent, as rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. (I don’t do turkey calls, by the way, and I’ve yet to shoot or capture my first Nazi, but that’s another story.)
I don’t think it’s reasonable to put our athletic department in the position of making a determination of whether an athlete is using a substance “responsibly”. Setting aside the notion that intentional criminal activity is prima facie irresponsible behavior, making further distinctions about substance use and abuse is more than I want or need our program to do. And this “setting aside” is an academic exercise only, anyway. The criminal nature of the conduct cannot be set aside and, like it or not, requires the conversation to be one of how much punishment and not whether to punish.
Bingo...
it certainly isn’t going to be very helpful for performance, and it’s illegal. Same thing with alcohol considering how many of the athletes are 18, 19, and 20.
Besides, how can you test for “responsible” use? That sounds like an impossible standard to argue based on test results.
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As I say below
The ‘test’ is the charge. If the kid is doing something irresponsible, that should factor in to the charge above and beyond ‘possession’. Now, if it turns out that you just don’t see that type of charge because unlike alcohol marijuana tends not to encourage irresponsible behavior…….well, what does that tell you?
No, it isn’t very helpful for performance. Neither are videogames, shall we start meting out punishment for possession of xboxs as well?
Actually, I’m pretty sure there’s been a significant break in my NORML support, but I continue to support the Drug Policy Alliance.
That isn't my point
I’m OK with “you broke a law, there will be a consequence” as a heuristic, even if I think some laws are stupid. What I find strange is why we should insist on harsher penalty mandates specifically in these cases! Why is it the business of the NCAA to give even more teeth to laws that shouldn’t exist in the first place?
As far as distinguishing responsible use from irresponsible use, I agree that this is not the responsibility of the NCAA. Just as is the case with alcohol, the nature of the formal charge should be used to make the distinction.
Really?
There are so many things wrong with the above statement I don’t know where to begin. Lets just suffice it to say that regardless of whether or not anybody believes marijuana should be legal the fact is it is not. Therefore making it irresponsible to use.
If the SEC institutions are trying to prepare their student-athletes for the “real world” then adopt a one-n-done policy. That’s what the majority of the student-athletes, who do not continue to play their respective sport professionally, will be facing once they join the work force. If they fail a drug test then not only are they dismissed from the team but the athlete is no longer allowed to play their sport in the SEC. This is a harsh penalty but that’s how it works in the “real world”. Unless they go into politics then well…………….
Tougher, more uniform standards?
I wonder how many of the persons who voted “The NCAA should set tougher minimum standards which all member schools must follow” purport to be Republicans or Libertarians who favor getting government out of our lives. I know the NCAA is not “the government” but a regulatory agency none the less. As you young folks are want to say, “Just sayin’”
As always, it's a question of degree.
I have often said that I would vote for a Libertarian for president (I voted for Bob Barr in the last presidential election, as a matter of fact), but I wouldn’t vote for a Libertarian for the school board. Likewise, I tell my Libertarian friends, “I’ll quit being paternalistic when you quit being childish.”
Even those of us who believe the national government is too big and spends too much money believe that there are certain essential functions it is necessary to have the national government perform. As I indicated above, I generally don’t favor strong centralized authority, but it’s necessary in some instances.
You’re right that the NCAA is a regulatory agency that essentially operates like a national government for intercollegiate athletics. A lot of its rules are nitpicky and a lot of the enforcement is selective, but, if we’re going to have an NCAA, surely this is something they ought to regulate, much as they regulate recruiting. It’s also worth noting that, while reasonable people certainly can oppose some of the drug laws the national government adopts, the NCAA is as bound by those laws as the rest of us, and, while they’re on the books, violations of those laws ought to be treated at least as seriously as, say, emerging from an alley or forgetting to pay a speeding ticket.
As an aside, it has been my experience that, when push comes to shove, most people like government decisions with which they agree, dislike government decisions with which they disagree, and rationalize as necessary to justify their predetermined preferences. That may make us all hypocrites; it also merely may make us human.
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I, too, believe the national government is too big___and
has been for decades of Democrat and Republican control. It all depends on where you live as to whether government dollars are “our fair share” as opposed to “pork” or the more modern term “earmarks.” If I live in Macon and we get $5 million to improve our airport, it’s our fair share; when we look at money that goes to Savannah, it is “pork” or “earmarked.” Gotta love politics. It’s sort of like judicial activism: the Republicans loathe it, but when the Virginia judge struck down a portion of national health care, the Republican mouthpieces at Fox forgot all about “judicial activism.”
Fair enough.
It’s all about whose ox is gored . . . and, speaking of Gore, far too few of my Republican friends castigated the result in Bush v. Gore, in which a politically partisan federal court intervened in a clear-cut matter of state law.
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If insisting that scofflaw college football programs no longer treat recreational drug abuse by their players as a crime without a punishment is not an appropriate function for the NCAA, why do we have an NCAA?
Why, indeed.
For the record, I’ve been ready to secede from the NCAA for quite a while now.
Seccession? Of course South Carolina is on board! I'll round up...
Oh. The NCAA. Yeah, I guess that’ll work too.
When I saw the drug report the other day, my immediate response was something similar to Kyle’s. The reason Carolina backed off their two tests and done policy is it not only put us an a disadvantage in terms of keeping kids in school, but a huge recruiting disadvantage.
Rival coaches would tell parents, “They’ve got a drug problem. Look at that kid they kicked out. You don’t want to trust your son to them”, while on official visits, their athletes would say, “You don’t want to go there. You can’t get away with anything.” The most common offender was our in-state rival, one of the handful of schools that does not even suspend a player for a second offense.
We had to alter out policy to three strikes just to remain competitive.
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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 21, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
In all seriousness
this conversation needs to be discussed, debated, nutured and promoted to anyone who will listen. It is important. And the more I mull it over, the more it angers me because I believe we are at a disadvantage. Unfortunately, having – at the minimum – a Conference-wide drug enforcement policy is common sense. And as Mr. Sanchez noted above, the SEC and the NCAA doesn’t do common-sense very well. The only way anything resembling uniformity in a workable drug policy will be if a Conference embraces it. The NCAA isn’t about to be proactive in all of this, so if there is to be a policy, it’ll have to begin at the Conference level…and that is why I voted accordingly.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
more sour grapes?
you keep using the term ‘unilaterally’, but i dont think you understand what it means…
how is uga unilaterally disarming itself, when you admit that auburn, miss state, and kentucky all have similar, harsh drug policies? (all of which also have beaten uga in the past 2 years by the way…). and what about schools like lsu and alabama, both of which have been very strong programs in recent years? in order for it to be ‘unilateral’, wouldnt uga alone have to be subjecting players to a much higher drug standard than all of their competition.
as a florida alum/fan, i admit our policy is pretty damn slack in this regard and should probably be more in line with other schools in the league, but to act like this is the reason that the the dawgs (sic) have as many wins as florida has had head coaches in the last 20+ years is a stretch. even if percy harvin sits, i doubt uga is going to magically find 30+ points to make a game out of the 08 or 09 games, and rainey’s charges had nothing to do with drugs, so that example doesnt relate either.
and how can you guys simultaneously argue that ‘drugs are illegal and the laws should be enforced’ while complaining of ‘draconian’ alcohol enforcement in athens? the reason you guys have such a strong alcohol policy is that you have so many players arrested for such offenses. you can’t get away with having a slack policy when you have double digit player arrests every off season.
by gator jacket phd on Dec 21, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions
Georgia is one of two SEC schools to impose a mandatory suspension for a first failed drug test.
That’s pretty darned close to unilateral.
I notice you conveniently focused on the 2008 and 2009 Cocktail Parties, two of the only three Georgia-Florida games of the last nine years to have been decided by more than a touchdown. (Georgia won the other double-digit decision.) In a series as close as this one has been on the scoreboard in the last decade, little differences can mean a lot.
I am well aware that Chris Rainey’s offense was not alcohol- or drug-related. My point was that Florida sets very low standards for athlete behavior, and area law enforcement cooperates. The bulk of Georgia’s player arrests are for minor traffic offenses that do not result in arrests in Gainesville; the remainder resulted in stiff punishments, frequently resulting in the player’s departure from the team. Rainey is emblematic of the less stringent sanctions imposed upon Gator players, although there are numerous other examples.
If you don’t think Florida’s “anything goes” approach to player behavior helps the Gators, both in recruiting and on the field of play, you’re kidding yourself. If Florida had a stricter drug policy, would Jarvis Moss have been on the field to block the field goal that kept the Gators in contention for the 2006 national championship?
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by T Kyle King on Dec 21, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Please don't remind me of Jarvis Moss
That guy delayed by four years the signature win we’ve desperately needed since joining the conference. He sure was high on that kick.
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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 21, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I focused on those games because you brought up percy harvin. I admitted Florida is pretty lax, but we do occasionally do the right thing, ala pouncey last year. You guys aren’t exactly a bastion of great behavior. Hmmmm, wonder why someone would leave the scene of an accident at 3am…
by gator jacket phd on Dec 22, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I learned something today.
Ignorant trolls make ignorant statements. How awesome.

by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
If UF
had Jimmy Williamson as their chief of police and if UF had UGA’s drug policy, Florida would have a damn hard time even fielding enough talent to compete. I suggest you go back and examine the nefarious activity that the majority of Georgia players have been busted for. It’s laughable. And, it’s destoyed the credibility of The Fulmer Cup/being snarky.
Sure, we’d like to win at UGA, but not at the expense of win-at-all costs. I think this is where Florida finds itself, or close to it.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
by DavetheDawg on Dec 21, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
There are two programs in the East
that will stretch every rule to win a football game. Tennessee has been like that for decades, but Florida only really sunk to those depths after Spurrier left.
"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard
by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 21, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
The 10th Amendment to the NCAA
There are a lot of twists and turns in the process and logic here, which would normally have me leaning towards a more global approach (the NCAA). However, the NCAA’s recent interpretation of its own rules leading to its essential inaction in the Newton case leaves me with the distinct feeling that they would do the same in a case of similar stature regarding drug tests. In short, when faced with doing the right thing by suspending an offending but high-profile student-athlete who is a “good earner,” versus barely interpreting their own rules so that said student-athlete is allowed to compete, they’ll opt for the money. Their history of such selective enforcement has become more egregious as of late and I don’t expect that they’ll be suddenly returning to integrity any time soon.
The individual institutions will always look out for themselves (as they should) when given the latitude to do so. As is being shown throughout the conference (and likely the nation), the institutions that value winning above all else – including the welfare and future of their student-athletes – are going to enforce policies in the most lenient fashion that they feel can be defended. However, I absolutely DO NOT think that we should make our policies reflect those of schools. My kids don’t get away with the “well so-and-so does XYZ” defense of pointing out others’ bad behavior to justify theirs; having integrity is about doing the right thing, not about doing it less wrong than the guy next to you.
Until the Newton case, the SEC had a good reputation for balancing the rules and the best interests of the Conference and its members. To be clear, I don’t think the Newton case destroys the SEC’s credibility but it certainly places a foot on the slippery slope to NCAA-ville. Still, I believe this to be (and will until proven otherwise) an isolated incident of ego overcoming common sense and that the SEC can and will return to the path in the future.
I voted that the SEC should set tougher minimum standards, not because I think they’re the ones that should but because I think someone has to and they’re the lesser of the evils here. However, I don’t think that UGA’s policy should the model for those minimum standards; I believe ours to be too strict and that South Carolina’s are correct. That being said, I don’t necessarily think that we should relax our policies to meet those should they become the standard. Doing so would be akin to an admission that we can’t win with solid citizens and have to accept substandard behavior from our student-athletes.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I consider myself a right-leaning Libertarian (but I couldn’t vote for Barr, sorry), jujdawg . I’m with NCT in that I think laws against marijuana are overly restrictive and should be more in line with those for alcohol. But today it’s illegal, and that’s that. There are penalties in place for possession (as there are for underage possession of alcohol) that should be enforced equally. Much like our criminal justice system, I think that teams and schools should mete out punishments based on the severity of the crime and the frequency of the offender.
by Just Some Dawg on Dec 21, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well said, Just Some Dawg.
You make a compelling case for setting the standard at the SEC level. Nice job.
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by T Kyle King on Dec 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I accept the premise of this post
The premise being, laxer drug policies enable you to recruit better athletes. Really? You think that goes over well with some kid’s mom, that your school tolerates routine drug use? How about with straight-arrow kids — is it really a selling point to them that your team is a haven for tokers?
It seems the basis for assuming there’s some positive correlation between recreational drug use and athletic ability is (and it always seems to come down to this among Dawg fans) … Florida. The Gators have been good lately and their drug policy is lax, and so the two facts must be related, right? That’s one program out of 120 D1 teams — helluva sample size. Look at the policies of the other elite programs — Ohio State, Wisconsin, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Tennessee, Oregon, etc. This year’s two BCS title contenders have drug policies roughly as strict as ours.
We’ve got a lot of things to correct in this program, but, sorry, the drug policy is not one of them. And I’m saying this as someone who surely would’ve been on the wrong end of that policy during my undergrad years, and as someone who fully expects, as a matter of practical policy, to see marijuana legalized in his lifetime.
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by aproposdenada on Dec 21, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Florida is the clearest example, but far from the only one.
Georgia is one of only two SEC programs that imposes a mandatory suspension for a first positive drug test. Even if we assume that lax policies regarding athlete behavior don’t factor into some recruits’ decisions (an assumption I find highly dubious), it certainly helps teams keep athletes eligible and on the field.
Imagine, for example, that the General Assembly repealed all traffic laws in Georgia, and everyone in the state knew that he could drive as fast as he liked, park wherever he liked, drive as drunk as he liked, run into other vehicles as often as he liked, and emerge from alleys with willful abandon without fear of being arrested, being ticketed, or having his license suspended. Even if no athlete chose to accept a scholarship offer to play football in Athens as a result of that change in the law, think of how many Bulldog players would not lose playing time as a result.
If Florida had Georgia’s drug test policy, would Jarvis Moss have been on the field to block the would-be game-winning field goal against South Carolina in 2006? Think how different life would have been had the Gamecocks made that kick: Urban Meyer would have been 0-2 against Steve Spurrier, the Gators would not have gone to that year’s national championship game, and Coach Meyer might well have gone into the 2007 season (in which Florida lost four games and fielded a terrible defense) on the hot seat under the watchful eye of the famously impatient Jeremy Foley. Might there have been a new coach in Gainesville in 2008? Would a first-year head coach have won a national title? Might history have told an entirely different tale?
Football is game of inches and consistency, every bit as much so as baseball. Moss was allowed to get high off the field, which is what allowed him to get high on the field. The Gators’ willingness to recruit and retain a lower caliber of individual enables them to recruit and retain a higher caliber of athlete. Any program that is not hamstrung by standards is at a competitive advantage over any program that is. It is naive to assume that this advantage did not make a difference in one or more of the games that ended with final scores of 20-13, 16-13, 14-10, 21-14, and 34-31.
Go 'Dawgs!
Grasping straws
I agree all schools should be on similar footing, and that an SEC wide policy is probably a good idea, but I still don’t buy your premise. Who’s to say someone else wouldn’t have blocked that kick in 2006? uga is losing games becaus of a pourous D, tons of penalties, and an inability to take advantage of the athletes they have on the field to play a complete game. Uga’s drug policy is probably not even in the top 20 of things holding your program back.
by gator jacket phd on Dec 21, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but Florida's lack of standards unquestionably is one of the things . . .
. . . moving that program forward (by the Gators’ measure of progress).
“Who’s to say someone else wouldn’t have blocked that kick in 2006?” Urban Meyer, that’s who. If he’d thought he could win with the guy behind Jarvis Moss in the lineup, he’d have put that guy on the field instead. The same goes for Chris Rainey’s fortuitously-timed reinstatement, and plenty of other instances of laxity in the face of criminal misbehavior.
By the way, in light of your allegations regarding Georgia’s defense and penalties, I suggest you update your smack talk. Yours appears to be set on 2009.
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by T Kyle King on Dec 21, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
?
does this mean you acknowledge you have sub par coaching that can’t maximize player potential? And how silly of me to forget your dominating 2010 defense that made colorado and florida’s offenses look completely competent and that gave up more yardage to tech than duke did…
I hear next year is totally going to be the year though.
by gator jacket phd on Dec 22, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Kyle!
I’m pretty sure you’re not going to get anywhere with someone who registered specifically to comment on this post under the user name of “gator jacket phd”, each component of which name speaks volumes about what kinds of comments we can expect.
Actually, I did take you seriously, . . .
. . . so I banned him. Frankly, he clearly signed up just to be a jerk, and I gave him a leash, and he hanged himself with it.
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when I see
“gator” and “phd” in reasonably proximity to each other I can only think of Corrine Brown who holds a Master’s Degree from that fine institution. Honestly the fact that she holds a graduate level degree from UF speaks volumes about the institution doesn’t it?
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Let's put that in Georgia terms.
Say Georgia had Florida’s drug policy. Who does that put back on the field for us — Bruce Figgins for six games in 2009? Who else?
So it comes back to recruiting, and guys who turned us down because we’re too harsh on tokers. Think about the pool of players we’re talking about here — I’m not talking stereotypes, I’m talking about the aggregate and percentages. What percentage of these guys would be three-year contributors at Georgia? What percentage of them restrict their miscreant behavior purely to puffing, and not dealing or drug-related violence? What percentage of them would be as committed to remaining academically eligible as they are to the demon weed?
Sorry, but I don’t see the value of mortgaging the program on the off-chance that we get a Jarvis Moss, but more likely that we give snaps to Bruce Figgins that should’ve been going to Orson Charles anyway.
Here’s my point: Yes, I’m for a conference- or NCAA-wide drug policy. Of course that’s fairer than what we have now. But I’m not holding my breath and, in the meantime, I don’t see the value in loosening our own drug policy, all because of a few opportune bounces Florida got in 2006 that Texas and Alabama didn’t need in 2009 and Auburn and Oregon didn’t need in 2010.
If we’re looking for ways to improve the caliber of player we put on the field, how about hiring someone on the S&C staff who has a degree in kinesiology? How about setting goals for position coaches, i.e., getting your charges on the post-season all-SEC team, with bonuses for All-Americans? Plenty of better places to invest our energy and creativity.
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by aproposdenada on Dec 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
As always, aproposdenada, you make your points reasonably and well.
While I believe we can and should wage battles on many fronts simultaneously, you are correct that this is not, and ought not to be, on the front burner as a priority. The suggestions in your concluding paragraph unquestionably are good ones.
Much obliged. I hope you and yours have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
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