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Why Winning the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party Against the Florida Gators in 2011 is Critical for the Georgia Bulldogs

How important is next year’s Cocktail Party? Well, it’s always pretty important, but the 2011 SEC East clash in Jacksonville figures to be even more significant than usual.

The last three Gator coaches all departed Gainesville with a record against the Bulldogs ending in "and one." It is said that first impressions are lasting impressions, and, boy howdy, has that been true for Sunshine State Saurian skippers.

Since the Orange and Blue started playing football acknowledge having started playing football, Florida has been guided by 20 full-time head coaches (not counting interim coaches Gary Darnell and Charlie Strong). Three of them (Jack Forsythe, G.E. Pyle, and J.A. Van Fleet, who may have appeared in "Dynasty," "The Andy Griffith Show," and "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly," respectively) did not cross paths with Georgia.

Eight of the remaining 17 began their careers in command of the Gators by going 1-0 against the Red and Black. Here is how that worked out for them:

Coach1st Yr. v. UGA1st Mtg. w/UGACareer v. UGAFla. Career W%
Charles Bachman1928W, 26-62-2-1.594
Tom Lieb1940W, 18-131-4.436
Ray Graves1960W, 22-146-3-1.686
Doug Dickey1970W, 24-173-6.573
Galen Hall1984W, 27-02-3.686
Steve Spurrier1990W, 38-711-1.817
Ron Zook2002W, 20-132-1.622
Urban Meyer2005W, 14-105-1.810

Obviously, those eight coaches account for every first-place finish in the conference standings and the national rankings in Gator history. Five of them finished their careers at or above .500 against the Red and Black, with one of the remaining three finishing just one game shy of a winning mark against the ‘Dawgs. Seven of the eight won more than 57 per cent of their games, with half going .686 or better.

What of the nine Florida coaches who opened up at 0-1 against Georgia? These are they:

Coach1st Yr. v. UGA1st Mtg. w/UGACareer v. UGAFla. Career W%
Charles McCoy1915L, 37-00-2.474
A.L. Busser1919L, 16-00-1.467
William Kline1920L, 56-00-1.690
Tom Sebring1926L, 32-90-2.600
Dutch Stanley1933L, 14-00-3.517
Josh Cody1936L, 26-81-3.419
Ray Wolf1946L, 33-141-3.359
Bob Woodruff1950L, 6-06-4.554
Charley Pell1979L, 33-100-5.556

Of the nine who failed to beat Georgia the first time, six never beat Georgia. Only one had a winning record against the Bulldogs, and that lone coach was the only one of them to post a winning percentage of better than .250 against the Classic City Canines. Four of those coaches had losing ledgers to show for their respective stays in Gainesville, and just two won at least 56 per cent of their games with the Gators. William Kline alone won at better than a 60 per cent clip.

In short, when a new Florida skipper takes the helm, it matters a great deal whether he gets off on the right foot in Jacksonville. Those who emerge triumphant from their first encounter with Georgia generally go on to be successful, both against the Bulldogs and overall; those who don’t, don’t.

Next October, we need to break in the new guy, in order to avoid getting broken in by the new guy. For what it’s worth, five of the nine Florida coaches who opened up 0-1 against Georgia sustained shutout setbacks in their initial encounter with the ‘Dawgs, and none notched more than 14 points against the Red and Black. A breakout defensive performance that paves the way to a win in the 2011 Cocktail Party is mission-critical to Georgia’s success next year . . . and beyond.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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I would say I wish the "dawgs" well v. Florida

but I have this strange habit of claiming that I am for the team which will likely win. I’m afraid Florida “has Georgia’s #,” much like Auburn has Florida’s.

I have to go to Jersey in the morning to do a presentation. Not sure yet whether I’m bothering with taking my laptop. I’ll be gone for two days. I kind of dread it. I just wanted to let you people know that you may have to manage without me tomorrow and the next day.

by Stephen1980 on Dec 10, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Awww yeaaah...

er… I mean… travel safely, Stephen1980.

by vineyarddawg on Dec 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, Vineyarddawg.

I used to live in Manhattan, but Jersey has always frightened me a little. I’m doing the presentation and going to the reception out in Alpine, which I hear is nice enough, but still…

by Stephen1980 on Dec 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyle,

I appreciate your leg work and your stats.

But it really isn’t complicated – CMR will be fired if he loses to UF next year. I am not a hater, a hot seat guy, a fire CMR guy, I just sincerely believe that is a cold reality. Losing to NC UF is one thing, losing to a bad UF two years in a row with a coaching merry go round is another. No other records will matter at this point. 8-4 or better and a solid win against UF is now mandatory. 9+ wins and a loss against UF may not be enough.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Dec 10, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

This...

…is why I really want to beat UF next year, because I think TT is right, and I’d hate for this to be the reason we decide to let CMR go. If we go 4 – 8 or something ridiculous next year, sure…it’s clear the program is lost. 7 wins would be another lousy year, but as long as the wins include UF and Tech, I’d still have some faith. But if we get 9 wins with another loss to the gators….I’d want us to be looking around.

Run Lindsay Run!

by ausdawg85 on Dec 10, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the focus is on the wrong statistic.

Ultimately, Georgia needs to be competing for, if not winning, the SEC East (and the SEC as a whole, obviously). That’s what matters to Greg McGarity, who has a good perspective on the matter (I think).

If, in 2011, Georgia goes 10-2, wins the SEC East, and loses to a Zach Mettenberger-led LSU team in the SEC Championship Game, all while losing to Florida in the process, Mark Richt will still be coaching at Georgia in 2012.

If, however, the Dawgs are 6-6 in 2011, but one of those wins is in Jacksonville, Mark Richt could still very easily find himself coaching at another university in 2012.

No one victory or loss to any single school will decide if Mark Richt’s job is safe or not. Ultimately, I believe Mark Richt is “graded” by McGarity on 3 primary factors (in order of importance):
1) Consistently compete for (and win) championships
2) Maintain an academic progress level above the SEC average
3) Maintain a good relationship with the alumni and boosters that give lots o’ money.

Areas #2 and 3 have always been achieved (by leaps and bounds) under Richt… #1 is the one that needs work. One can argue that the path to the SEC Championship once again goes through Gainesville… but still. Winning or losing against the Gators is not the sole criterion.

by vineyarddawg on Dec 10, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The boosters have their vote, and they vote with green.

While I mostly get what you are saying, and it makes sense – losing to UF next year will be very bad no matter the rest.

Now, losing to florida and winning a ring – that will probably be ok, for another year but the close watch will continue.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Dec 10, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, let's be honest...

… in today’s college football climate, Georgia could go 14-0 in 2011, become national champions, and win every game by at least 3 touchdowns, and the “close watch” would still continue in 2012. It’s the nature of the beast.

You’re correct in saying that the boosters vote with their money… and so far, giving hasn’t significantly dropped to the athletic association, so that’s something.

I don’t think anyone is going to argue that 2011 isn’t a key year for Mark Richt’s career in Athens… my only point was that it’s not a one-game make-or-break season.

by vineyarddawg on Dec 10, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The Significance...

… of this blog post just got a steroid shot.
Will Muschamp is dead to me.

by Comin' Down The Track on Dec 11, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

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