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Earlier this week, I received the following e-mail from a reader, which is reproduced in its entirety with the author's permission:

Dear Mr. King,

By way of background, I am a life-long UGA fan, raised by two alums to bark proudly and root loudly for every Bulldog team since the early 70's -- good or bad, hurt or healthy, lucky or cursed. I became an official Dawg myself when I graduated from UGA's law school. After several years of practicing law, I officialy "retired" to raise four future Dawgs, who currently don their red & black and continue the Saturday tradition of woof-woof-woofing. My family and I also read your blog religiously. I am, however, a simple housewife, with no national or state or local platform at which to raise a real concern about a growing taint on our beloved University. This brings me to the reason for this email: YOU DO. And I humbly ask you to devote a few quick sentences to address this embarassment.

With each passing year, it seems there is an increase in the number and volume of crass voices among Dawg fans at the games. Now, I remember attending contests when Sanford Stadium still sold beer and the alcohol flowed as openly as it flowed freely. But even in that era, the loud profanity and rude outbursts were limited to a FEW, select, usually sloshed individuals, whose impaired judgments were tolerated and humored, but always kept in check by the rest of the crowd. I would also add that my ears are not overly sensitive to salty language.....like I said, I used to practice law. But a visit to any current game will clearly reveal that we are on a quick descent into Neaderthal Hell. Every section of the crowd is now peppered with growing numbers of self-centerd "fans" who lack any semblance of self-control, any demonstration of the basest level of human decorum, or any indication of possessing even a passing thought that everyone within ear shot is not interested in their foul-mouthed running commentary. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this experience is that the harshest, vilest venom is not reserved for the opponent, but for our own team and its coaches.

Sadly, my last two trips to Jacksonville and my subsequent enjoyment of that great and time-honored tradition have been marred, not by classless Gators, but by Georgia fans who can't seem to shut their traps for longer than 20 seconds at a time, despite the efforts of those few around them courageous enough to stand up to the barbarians at the gate. Sadly, they have not had the excuse of inebriation, but instead stand condemned by nothing but their own lack of social skills. Somebody needs to put them in a time machine and hit "re-do" on their upbringing before the final shreds of the reputation of Bulldog Nation is left flapping in the breeze. This past Saturday, our party stretched nine seats on the Club Level and from one end to the other, for three rows behind us and one in front, it was impossible to escape the angry cursing. A very, very small sampling: when Boykin dropped a kickoff, one women in her late 60's screamed, "You dumb piece of sh*$!" When Richt ran into the tunnel at half-time, a grey-haired man, blood vessels bulging on his neck, yelled "You g^#-d@*^ idiot! You better get your family packed before we get to Athens!"  When Orson Charles dropped a pass, a chorus of f-bomb laced comments were hurled his way. I could go on, but it pains me to even type this garbage and you get the point. 

To further expose their true colors, when our guys failed to crumble and began storming back in the fourth quarter, they were cheering loudly, unapologetic to have their ticket punched for the Fair Weather Band Wagon. It took no small amount of self-restraint on my part to not turn around and say," Who's the piece of trash now, you losers!" But, that's the point -- not that you don't feel like saying it, but that everything that pops into your head doesn't necessarily need to make a bee-line to your mouth.

For the love of Pete, these players are someone's children! They are barely out of puberty, playing under the spotlights of a national stage. I think some grace is in order here, and really shouldn't be a problem for those who have any. It is pathetically ironic to listen to them rail against a lack of discipline of the team while making an embarassing spectacle of themselves indulging their own unrestraint. I can't even imagine for every mistake they made during their work week, someone completely inexpereinced in their field was standing by to shreik, "You a$& hole!" Even if you think you would make a better coach than Mark Richt, the man is a human being, not an animal (although, admittedly, waking up every day and seeing one in the mirror can apparently cause you to forget.) And then there's the fact that my own 15 year-old child, who is sitting right under their noses, within clear view and uninhibited ear-shot, would have to leave the game and give up the seat we paid our hard-earned money to purchase in order to escape their disgusting and unending diatribe.

Now, before I hear that it was probably a lot worse on the other side of the field, I will respond to this point with two points of my own: (1) That is pure speculation; and (2) when we start looking to UF, Urban Meyer and Gator Nation as the gold standard for the acceptability of our behavior, it's time to start looking for the four horsemen of the Apocolypse. We teach our children that they do not have to be perfect, but they do need to be faithful. It's not that people can't make mistakes, but how are your actions characterized when people think of you? What's on the inside spills out when you get bumped, so let the inside be honorable, for character is best measured under pressure rather than calm. The University of Georgia and her graduates (at least the ones I have always been around) are not perfect, but they are characterized as intelligent, educated, upstanding, and gracious. If someone doesn't speak up soon, that reputation will become the exception rather than the rule.

OK, consider my two cents registered and my humble request for help made. I will leave with this simple thought: Your support for your school is BEST demonstrated by representing her well.  

Warm regards,

A Loyal Bulldog Law Mom

To me, this issue is related to the need of tailgaters to clean up after themselves on North Campus. The practical reason for needing to bag and dispose of our own trash afterward is that, if we don't treat the campus respectfully, we will lose the privilege of using it every Saturday, but the more important reason for doing so is that we owe it to the University of Georgia to treat everything about that venerable institution with the respect it deserves.

I am sure that we all have been guilty of our own overzealous and obnoxious moments as fans, but we have to remember that we are representatives of all the groups to which we belong in everything we do; when we wear our team apparel to the stadium on game day and behave boorishly, it is a reflection on the university. All of us owe it to the institution to put the best possible face on the University of Georgia. Let each of us sweep in front of our own doors, and all Bulldog Nation will be clean.

Go 'Dawgs!

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Thank you Loyal Bulldog Law Mom for bringing this issue to the forefront.

It just kills me to be in Sanford stadium with my son and someone starts dropping F bombs. This happened in Williams Bryce stadium this year at the Georgia game and it was Georgia fans.
And booing players. Classless.

by hbtd on Nov 5, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow......... just wow

Evidently the fans have changed a great deal since I attended my last game (early 90’s) – sad – very sad indeed.

by JRL on Nov 5, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

It is pathetically ironic to listen to them rail against a lack of discipline of the team while making an embarassing spectacle of themselves indulging their own unrestraint.

- Amen.

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Nov 5, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Philosophical postulating

I would argue that it’s not a degradation of the Bulldog Nation but of society as a whole. Much more is tolerated by the general populous now (language or otherwise) than “back in the day”—whether it’s 20 years ago or 50. I’ve noticed a marked spike in profanity over the last 15 years regardless of where I sat or which team the people surrounding me were pulling for. It’s usually only my bad luck that they’re drunk and don’t pull for the Dawgs (reference: this past Saturday).
  
Speaking of North Campus: I had multiple bad experiences on North Campus prior to being ousted. Most notably, I very nearly got in a fist fight 4-5 years ago on North Campus when I saw a student turn his trash-covered table over, pick up the table, and start walking away. When I kindly asked him to pick it up, he replied “What?! That’s not my job. They pay people for that”. The reason it was “very nearly” is because as soon as we started jawing at each other I saw his 10 frat brothers turn the corner and decided it was in my best interest not to stay in Athens Regional that night.

by Papa Bear MD on Nov 5, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Loyal Bulldog Mom

A wise and gentle bullet to the heart of all offenders. I truly stand corrected and appreciative of the message. Thank you.

by renegator on Nov 5, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well-said, Loyal Bulldog Law Mom.

I have not experienced the degradation in manners that she describes, but in all fairness, my parents and I have sat next to the same group of people in our seats for at least 20 years. I also haven’t seen as many Georgia fans acting the fool in Jacksonville (any more than Gator fans, though I agree that they’re not the bar by which we should be measured), though I’m not surprised.

by vineyarddawg on Nov 5, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Great letter

I have to say, though, that we do not have this problem in my little world in Section 130. I’m actually and disappointed that it’s prevalent enough to be noted by anyone. I mean that I’m not surprised that there are ill-mannered people around, but I am surprised that it’s bad enough to be seen as a problem. There are kids in my Sanford neighborhood. And ladies. There was one occasion this season (can’t remember the specifics of the play on the field) where I let loose a curse word (can’t remember the word, but I know with certainty it was an exclamation of disappointment and not of anger), and I immediately apologized to the people around. They laughed.

Maybe it’s because I took to heart my mother’s stories of how she used to wear hat and gloves to games when she was in school and for a few years thereafter (in a time where ladies wore hats and gloves to go to Rich’s) and I romanticized the notion of how one behaves at public events like this (I still dress fairly sharply for the rare occasions I have to take trips by air). But decorum and civility arevery important.

I blame the Republicans (specifically, Newt — JFK’s trend-setting hatless look notwithstanding). (My apologies.)

by NCT on Nov 5, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

One trend

These are thoughts worth sharing. Amen.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Nov 6, 2010 7:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I hate iPhones…
About that ‘trend’…drinking to excess, which has always been an issue, has become worse in the few games I’ve recently attended, including Jax. I mean, I saw some dangerously drunk people, young and old, in the stands last week and it was embarassing.
Self control is a virtue.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Nov 6, 2010 7:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I concur Loyal Bulldog Mom

I also agree with the poster above who noted it’s a degradation of society as a whole. That doesn’t make it correct, just shows that we as parents have our work cut out for us.

by EricBDawg on Nov 6, 2010 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Society, maybe

But not necessarily.

We went to the Kentucky game for the first time this year, and could not have been treated better by anyone we encountered, from walking through tailgating areas to sharing a shuttle to talking to Kentucky fans in the stands. The only obnoxious people, the rude fans, the loudly profane fans…were Georgia fans. (And we were winning the whole time!) Though I appreciate that the group of older students/recent grads who were in a nearby section waited until most of the UK fans had left to launch into their “nothing finer in the land than a drunk, obnoxious Georgia fan” cheer.

We have a pretty tame area in our section at Sanford, but walking out of the stadium after the Redcoats played their postgame concert a few years ago, I had to intervene with a Georgia fan, wearing a halloween mask, who was taunting and teasing one of the Events personnel, who was somewhat backed into a corner and had started to cry. No one was paying any attention. When I told him to cut it out, he threatened to punch my husband if he didn’t get me under control. (“classy”) It wasn’t until a manager member of the Events staff came over that the kid (he was in his 20s) backed off and finally left. The girl being harassed said she was fine to the manager, but as I left, she mouthed “thank you” to me behind his back.

So maybe it’s society (I work with the public, so I do believe there’s been a decline), but there’s also something about Georgia fans I’ve encountered far too often that does not make me proud. If I were a Kentucky or SC or Vandy alum, I’m pretty sure Athens would not be on my away game list (much the way I’ve written off Knoxville).

Thanks, Loyal Bulldog Law Mom, for your letter. It’s what pulled me out of lurkerdom.

by tmfwuf on Nov 6, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I won't even try to defend

the folks who do that. I could go into a rant about how it’s not just UGA fans, and give you specific examples from about 10 years ago, but that doesn’t make it any better. The fact is, we should be better than that. We should be pulling for our guys and not degrading the other team. Think about it people, when we make comments degrading our opponent, it just makes us look bad and our team look bad. We look bad by being bad hosts, our team looks bad because if they are beating an inferior opponent who cares, if they are losing to an inferior opponent, then are they truly inferior?
To hear that someone would badger a kid who is working at the event is truly angering. These folks are just trying to do what they can to make the experience the best it can be for all of us. To pick on them and be disrespectful and any number of other adjectives I could post here, is inexcusable.

by EricBDawg on Nov 7, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Great post

Sometimes guilty myself. Will try to do better.

Saw same bad behavior/language at a high school football game last night. One drunken fan yelled/cursed at the ref because he threw a flag on the other team – we were up big, He said “Let ’em play ball” with a number of four letter words sprinkled in. No big deal to me except many women and children were having to hear this too.

Again, not just footabll, but society as a whole has disintergrated to this level.

It's a gas, gas, gas.

by Keith Richards on Nov 6, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Heard and understood.

Been guilty in the past myself of indulging in a bit too much profanity. Gotta represent the Red and Black properly. Thanks for your perspective.

I think Erk Russell could have kicked Clint Eastwood and John Wayne's butts with a corn cob and one hand tied behind his back. GATA!

by AeroDawg on Nov 6, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said

Rec’d

*Just Chill* when things start to look a bit difficult-don't panic as you take away your ability to think straight. Go Braves! Go Dawgs! Go Falcons!

by HEYJUDE on Nov 6, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it is the effect of Atlanta and transplants to Atlanta

from regions with much different standards, especially in regards to language. Anyone who believes differently has never spent much time in northern urban or suburban environment. Their lower standards have undoubtedly had some affect on the large public school systems that produce a large percentage of each incoming freshman class at UGa.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 7, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Let's not be too quick to blame other regions for our problems.

As a current resident of NYC, I assure you that a lot of the behavior described as commonplace around Sanford Stadium these days would not fly in Manhattan. I’ve seen people scolded on the subway for less, and I’ve seen people arrested/detained for, e.g., verbally abusing employees. (You may get a different impression from watching Jets or Giants games on TV, but remember that that stadium is in New Jersey.)

As a semi-recent graduate of the University (’03), I can also assure you that narcissism and entitlement are widespread among the student body, even among kids from agrarian areas of the state. These kids feel like the University owes them a permanent party, and being a fan of an unranked football team does not comport with their image of cool.

Finally, as a fan of salty language, I urge you not to confuse its use with the real problem — poor-mouthing our players and coaches or berating opposing players and fans. I’m sure almost everyone here has laughed at a good-natured, well-timed use of four-letter-words. On the other hand, any abuse of other people is totally unacceptable, whether the abuser is using crass language or not. I agree that cursing around children is uncouth, but I would be far more concerned about the message sent to children by a “fan” booing our own players than by an occasional f-bomb.

by Spears on Nov 7, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

So… you’re saying we can still shout “Boom mother f****er!” after a big hit? Because that’s what I care about.

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs

by AdamLilly on Nov 7, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I prefer "Boom goes the dynamite!"

Particularly if there are young’uns around.

by Spears on Nov 7, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

As a current resident of Philadelphia,

I can assure you that there are lower standards of behavior and language in what passes for polite society, and the sports fans of the region behave worse than society at large.

I agree that publicly turning on your own players is a behavior I would not want modeled to children, but I suspect the writer of this letter would join me in condemning the salty language itself.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 7, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, Philly fans are on a level all their own...

Philadelphia fans are notoriously the worst in all of sports. They pelted Santa with snowballs, booed McNabb even when he led them to 5 NFC titles and a Superbowl, etc. etc. etc. As for Philly itself, I’ve had a blast every time I’ve gone, but classy is the last word I would use to describe it. It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia works, in part, because it’s entirely plausible that those people actually exist somewhere in the city.

by Spears on Nov 7, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate Always Sunny for entirely different reasons than my colleagues

“No, I’m laughing at you. There’s a difference.”

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 7, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’ve commented on this myself a few times, but it’s well stated here.

I’m 52, a UGA double grad and grew up near enough Athens to see a few games as a kid. I average a couple games in person a year, some home, some away. Like it or not, fan base behavior is often defined by the outliers and ours have definitely deteriorated, starting in the Goff years, and in almost every way. Fans sitting on hands, booing players, yelling trash to visiting fans, using profanity and making racist comments—maybe my aging memory is foggy, but I don’t remember such behavior—even during drunken revelry on the tracks— in my student days, at least not in the same degree. And, sorry, I do not see it or hear it to the same extent in other stadiums.

When this really came home to me was when our own fans stormed the stadium after we beat a lousy UT team in 2000, trashing hedges and goalposts. And was reinforced by disgraceful trashing of our own beautiful campus last year. Have fun, celebrate—hell, have a drink or 3, but remember you represent the institution and the state and that visiting fans are our guests.

by Chickasaw on Nov 7, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

This is not a new problem, though possible more prevalent.

Years ago, when I had a problem with some fans near my season tickets, I called the ticket office (Freddie Jones). They KNOW who owns the seats, and can address the issue…including JAX. Even if the tickets have been sold to a 3rd party, the ticket office should be able to lean on the ticket-holder. Take appropriate action folks.

Run Lindsay Run!

by ausdawg85 on Nov 7, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

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