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You're on notice, dawg! Championship Week (Week 14)

It's Week 14... also known as "Championship Week!"  The conferences that have championship games will be staging them, and the conferences that don't have championship games will still have their champions decided this week... hence the moniker.  And, in the midst of all this Championship Week celebration, the Georgia Bulldogs and their fans will be... 

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Well, then.  Moving along...

I normally post this segment on Sunday afternoon or Sunday evening, but I was beset with some kind of odd viral illness that both kept me from attending the game and from doing much of anything this weekend other than lying in bed drooling and reading one of the greatest 19th century novels of all time on my Kindle.  As a result, I was unable to post my weekly missive in a timely manner.  I do apologize for the tardiness. 

I'm from the "Better late than never" camp, though, when it comes to turning in homework... so I'm letting the following people know that, for Championship Week, You're on notice, dawg!

This week's honorees (in no particular order), are:

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1) Michael Adams - Why Michael Adams?  Because he's a jerk, has stolen money from and is a disaster for University, and everybody that has ever worked with him hates him. Plus, I have it from a very authoritative source inside the UGA administration that he spent the entire 24 hours after the Georgia Tech game in the futile pursuit of garnering an invitation to either the International Bowl (in Toronto) or the Pinstripe Bowl (in NYC).  He was overheard to have said loudly, "But I can't stand comfortable weather in December!  I want to see some snow, dangit!"

 

2) The Yellow Jacket Juke - There has been some disagreement regarding the proper tactical response to this play.  I must admit that, for my part, I also considered the term, "Bumblebee Belly-flop" when naming this maneuver, but I wanted to make sure I respected the Techsters by using the correct nomenclature to refer to their mascot.

With about 1:40 left in the game, Georgia took the sportsmanship route and kneeled the ball on the Golden Tornado 20-yard-line.  Paul Johnson immediately used his last timeout to stop the clock, and the Georgia bench responded by saying, "Ok, you want to call a timeout?  We'll just go ahead and score, then." The Georgia Tech defense then performed their version of the Florida Flop

Tactically, it might have been a sound play.  Of course, tactically, it might also have been a sound play to get Washaun Ealey to run 10 yards and take a knee.  Of course, tactically, it was probably also the correct call for Han Solo to bribe Greedo instead of shooting him first (which he did).  But men don't do these things.  Men say, "You want me to score?  Thank you.  I will then go for two, followed by an onside kick, both of which I will successfully convert.  Then I will score another touchdown before the game ends."  Personally, I think we let them off too easy by just scoring one touchdown.

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I feel strangely compelled to post this picture now.

 

But, then again, I was confident in our victory Saturday night.  In fact, throughout the entire game, I was supremely confident that the Bulldogs would come out victorious.  From the moment Georgia muffed the opening kickoff over to Tech to the moment Georgia scored a touchdown in the 4th quarter and our fans started shouting, "What the **** is he doing?" I was supremely confident.  As soon as Georgia scored first, I told Mrs. VineyardDawg, "Well, that's it.  We're going to win!" and never looked back.  Even when the game got really close near the end, I never wavered in my supreme faith that Georgia would finally win their first close game in 2010.*

* - These statements are such huge lies that, while typing them, my pants spontaneously combusted and my nose started growing at the same time.

 

3) The contact lenses worn by the ACC officiating crew in Sanford Stadium - I have a couple of friends who referee games in sports other than football, and out of respect for them, I will not poor-mouth the officials in charge of Saturday night's game.  The contact lenses those referees were wearing, though, left a lot to be desired in their work.

I know the referees can only perform as well as their equipment allows them to, so I want to know what exactly those contact lenses were doing in the 2nd quarter when, on a 3rd down play, Kris Durham clearly landed on the 4 yard line, only to have the referees spot the ball a good 2 feet short of where he actually landed.  Then, on the ensuing 4th & about a foot play, Aaron Murray performed a QB sneak that gained at least a yard, and the ball was spotted by the referees virtually right on top of the line of scrimmage.

I found it also very interesting that the ESPN telecast showed exactly zero replays of both of these downs.  Perhaps the referees and the ESPN crew were sharing a pair of contact lenses between them?  And while we're talking about ESPN...

 

4) ESPN - A company that calls itself the "Worldwide Leader in Sports" should seriously be able to do a better job at producing the games that we see week in and week out. I mean, it's better than Fox Sports' BCS coverage, but if that ain't damning with faint praise, I don't know what is.  The pictures are fantastic and awesome and poppin' fresh and all that, but some of us like to hear words that, you know, make sense to go with the pictures.

And, to be fair, there's a fairly large drop-off from their best two broadcast teams to the likes of Mark Jones and Bob Davie.  But when a play-by-play announcer calls Bacarri Fudge Rambo "one of the most improved players they've had on defense this year," he's either talking about Georgia Tech or he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. And then they don't even talk about major plays that, you know, were in dispute, and you know, could have completely changed the outcome of the game.  But, no, I'm sure there's some witty remark  you could be bringing up instead about your years at Notre Dame that's far more important right now.

Step it up, Worldwide Leader.  You can do better.

 

5) The South Carolina Gamecocks - Great job in dispatching an inferior ACC rival.  Now come on boys.  (crosses fingers)  We believe in you... you can do it!

(Ok, so maybe we don't necessarily believe you can do it.  We will be cheering for you, though, when this Saturday rolls around, so please go out there and ruin Cheater Auburn University's dream season-to-be-vacated, ok?)

 

6) The Boise State Broncos - Damn.  Just damn.  You guys couldn't do us just this one solid, could you?  I hope we beat you little kids by about 50 next year (though I know you're just as likely to beat us).  And I'm laughing right now that all the "Big Boys" in your new "Big Boy Conference" have officially deserted you.  Enjoy your new WAC, Broncos.

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See ya real soon.

 

7) The SMU Mustangs - I know it's equally likely (possibly more so) that we we end up paired off in the Liberty Bowl with the Golden Knights of the University of Central Florida.  I'm far more interested, though, in the ramifications of matching up with the Mustangs from Dallas.

You see, this would be a great matchup for us.  Not only have we had a significant amount of experience in beating programs who are huge historical cheaters (4 out of the last 5 years, in fact), but we also have some recent experience in beating very successful teams who are coached by June Jones.

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Ok, I admit that I only added SMU so I could post this picture.  Excuse me for a moment while I lose myself in a happier time...

 

8) Students with Tickets - By the time the TV cameras panned up to the student section in the 2nd quarter, I patted myself on the back somewhat, because the student section looked about 75% full, which is not great, but good, and I like to think I had some small part in that effort.  Then Josh Weiss has to go and post the following picture, which quite clearly shows upper deck student section as being 90% empty, and about 5 minutes before the team actually ran onto the field. (You might have to click on the picture to see the full-size version.)

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For shame, UGA students... for shame.  I might have expected (and received) a turnout like this for Idaho State, or Vanderbilt... but in the season ender against Georgia Tech?  That's just inexcusable.  

I know many students will wail and gnash their teeth when Greg McGarity reduces the size of the student section by about 50% in 2011... but if he does so, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

 

Well, we're done until bowl season rolls around, but until then I'll be looking forward to an improved 2011 and yelling...

Go Dawgs!

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My fellow students are making me sick. I thought this was one of the few games where the section was packed (Arkansas?), but everything looks different from the lower level of the student section….

by schlagdawg on Nov 29, 2010 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like to add to the list

the “odd viral illness” that hit me Wednesday night and has finally decided to pack its stinking bags. Its stronger, meaner cousin evidently found you because I at least made it up and around all weekend* but wasn’t happy about it. Of course, now that it’s gone I guess it wouldn’t really belong on the list.

*It could also have something to do with US Navy Corpsmen using me a pincushion for 6 years. That, and I kept feeding it bourbon.

by Just Some Dawg on Nov 29, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Student Section

I’ve noticed the great voids in the student section this year from my perch on the south side. I never attended games as a student, but an alum co-worker said that those with tickets in the upper deck would all cram down in the lower deck next to the band. That might (partially) explain some of the empty seats (but it still looks bad).

Re: Virus. I spent the first half of last year’s Auburn game in the stadium’s first aid station with my cousin – she was viciously attacked by one of those 24 hour bugs about 5 minutes before kickoff. On a positive note, we were the only two sober folks there…

by Lady Dawg on Nov 29, 2010 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

I second that...re: the announcers.

It hasn’t been just this game, but several others this year as well. Listening to them talk during and after reviews, it seems like they don’t want to say anything that might be controversial. Can the officials fire the announcers? Are they worried about the conferences throwing a fit over the announcers calling out the officials?

There’s something odd about the phrase “greatest 19th century novel of all time.” I would The Adventures of Huckleberry Fin for your greatest novels of the 19th century reading list.

by mbrd71 on Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair...

… I said, “One of the greatest 19th century novels.” :-) I actually have never read any of Mark Twain’s books, but they are on my reading list.

Les Miserables is an interesting book, though. Having never read Victor Hugo before, I was not aware how insanely attuned he was to describing the most minute detail of every situation, and it takes some getting used to.

by vineyarddawg on Nov 30, 2010 5:24 AM EST up reply actions  

"Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" is a fun primer on Clements.

19th C. guy transported to medieval England, where he dazzles Arthur, Merlin, etc. with rudimentary grasp of science. With the requisite Twain social commentary.

by NRBQ on Nov 30, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I got the gist of that book...

… from watching the “Time’s Arrow” 2-part episode on Star Trek: The Next Generation. :-)

/Nerd Alert

Seriously, though, thanks. That’s going up to the top of my “if I ever finish Les Mis” list.

by vineyarddawg on Nov 30, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Favorite Twain Ever -

The Bible According to Mark Twain – it’s a collection of shorter stories, but fascinating.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

tWWL has an embargo against mentioning bad officiating

I’m not sure why that is, but it’s pretty blatant. Why are officials the sacred cows out there? They’re trained, paid professionals – not taking them to task for a crucial, game-affecting call/non-call is like ignoring a dropped touchdown.

by Grib on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the reasons why I love European soccer telecasts

They can and will regularly call out refs for bad calls.

by The984 on Nov 30, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to watch the reply of the game.

Not to relive a victory over a hated rival. I want to watch and log the total number of half-truths, faux paux’s, geographical innaccuracies, Heisman revisionisms, and word counts.

If Bob Davie was paid by the syllable, he’d be bankrupt ESPN. I’d rather listen to Los Dawgs en Espanol next time. We’d better start winning in 2011, if for no other reason, than this: winner’s get Ron Franklin, Verne and Gary, even Todd Blackledge as announcers. Mediocre gets you Bob Davie, Mark Jones, Pam Ward, Rachel Ray, and Nancy Grace.

The ONLY good thing that came from Saturday night was the “W”.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

My favorite was

When they said Tech had travelled up 400 to play the game….easily.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And something about it being 110 miles

Even taking 400, that’d be an impressive detour.

by NMdawg on Nov 30, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

There's ain't no

E V O O in football…

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Nov 30, 2010 7:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Re Student Section

I sit right on the edge of the student section and have been disappointed all year in the vacant seats. As I looked left about the time of the picture, my daughter (Sr), that boy she dates (Sr) and son (So) were easily found along with a few of their fraternity brothers. By kick-off, however, the section was full and they had melted into a crowd. By the time we took the field on offense (which was MUCH longer than it should have been), the student section was packed and more vocal than they have been all year. Yes, the students need to stay on notice but Saturday, I’ll have to say they done good and there was nothing to excuse.

I’ll also add that the ID scan and ticket lottery make empty seats a given. Go back to paper student tickets! Somebody will probably use them and it would be revenue neutral, if not positive given concessions. Plus, they make great souvenirs (I still have all of mine).

by TerryDawg on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Its the lack of paper tickets

For the reason you mentioned [Students cannot request non-full game packages (if you know you are going to miss a game, you can’t opt out of tickets for that particular game in your request) and they are expected to eat the cost (I know its just $8) and donate the ticket back to the athletic ass. to resell to another student for that ticket to be used rather than sell it themselves.] and also for another.: All of the tickets are on the ID cards and are general admission to any student section. This causes the 109-111 or 112 sections be essentially 2 deep per bench (between people standing in front of their friends or squeezing 5 people into 3 numbered seats). This, in turn, leaves a lack of people in the “less desirable” areas (upper deck and corners of the West End Zone) regardless of whether every student with a ticket showed up to the game.

The system be broke.

by UGAVike on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

THAT'S the system?

Jesus. I knew it was on IDs now and that there were no more paper tickets, but Jesus, that’s quite possibly the dumbest means of ticketing students I’ve ever heard. How pompous to expect a student to purchase a ticket and then donate it back to the Athletic Association in the event that they can’t attend, so that the Athletic Association can then resell it for profit themselves.

If they want to fix the attendance issues (which I’m sure McGarity will), then revamp the ticket procedures and go back to paper tickets. Paper tickets allow economics to take its course, as well as allowing young alumni like me who haven’t donated enough money (if any) to get season tickets a chance to go to those games. The young alumni are about the only ones that are really wanting to sit in the student section anyway.

by hailtogeorgia on Nov 30, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree, paper tickets seem like the way to go.

And when I was in school, the student section was general admission, but they made the people with upper-deck tickets go to the upper deck and lower-level tickets go to the lower level.

Reinstating that system would seem to be in order, as well.

by vineyarddawg on Nov 30, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I support general admission tickets to each section

based on priority. But that could be because I would benefit greatly from such a system.

by UGAVike on Nov 30, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That's basically how it was when I was there as well, Vine.

People had assigned seats, but it was generally observed as a first-come, first-serve sort of thing. Why would anyone sit in the 300 level when you can go to the 100 level? That’s the problem with these sorts of rules…by the time many of these policy makers are in a position to enact policies, they are so far out of touch with how the normal 18-25 year old behaves that they miss the forest for the trees. Among a group of middle-aged attendees, sure, you would probably have a large group of people who would say to themselves “Gee, self, that lower level looks really packed, I guess I should’ve gotten here earlier…now I’ll have to go sit in the upper level”, whereas the college kid says “To hell with it, I’m sittin’ down here!”

That’s why if they went back to paper tickets (and they could still do the whole “You have to have a student ID to use a student ticket” thing) you could fill the seats…I still have my student ID, as do most young alumni.

by hailtogeorgia on Dec 1, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This is me ...

resisting the very strong temptation to write something en français, encore.

by NCT on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

As much as I love the HBC

and want to see them do well – I just can’t see a Big10 team in the MNC game. I have to pull for Auburn. I know y’all have a much more brutal rivalry with the Plainsmen than we do but a loss for a Auburn is a win for the commies.

You sold me...queer giraffes.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 29, 2010 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

Victor Hugo, alas!

I fully understand that the rest of the East is tempted to respond in a similar manner when asked the greatest SEC East team of 2010, but we’re playing our best ball of the season now that the pass defense has improved from Dear Lord, Cover Your Eyes to (dare I say?) average. On a 1 to 10 confidence scale, I feel about 6. That’s higher than I felt about the Georgia game until a few hours before kickoff, and pretty solid for a game with the top ranked team in the country. Maybe we can make it four in a row against #1’s.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 30, 2010 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

Secondary woes

are not exclusive to the Gamecocks. Watching the Auburn-Alabama game made it abundantly clear that any team with a solid running game (e.g.: Ingram and Richardson, or in this case, Lattimore) can draw enough attention and safety support to open up the passing game.

In the first quarter, Greg McElroy locked onto Julio Jones and never looked off of him — because he never had to. Not only was Jones open (remember the second touchdown?), but Auburn’s secondary didn’t have an answer until they were down three scores.

I see Alshon Jeffrey running through Auburn’s secondary like a bull in a china shop. I think it will come down to: 1) good decision-making by Garcia; and 2) getting enough of a running game going to support the pass. South Carolina’s got a lot going for it, coming into this.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Much obliged.

I’m beginning to think Michael Adams : vineyarddawg : : Bears : Stephen Colbert.

Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on Nov 30, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry
I hope we beat you little kids by about 50 next year (though I know you’re just as likely to beat us). And I’m laughing right now that all the “Big Boys” in your new “Big Boy Conference” have officially deserted you. Enjoy your new WAC, Broncos.

Awesome. I look forward to the about-face in roughly nine months, when this will be spun into a legitimate out-of-conference matchup that validates your confidence in Georgia’s ability to succeed in 2011.

Given that the standard argument from BCS conference fans is “BSU/TCU/Utah-could-NEVER-go-undefeated-in-the-ESS-EEE-SEE-they’d-lose-like-four-or-five-games-at-LEAST,” this is pretty rich coming from one whose own BCS conference team falls squarely into that category.

So essentially, Boise State would be like Florida or Georgia this year — but better than Kentucky? Okay. Got it.

so please go out there and ruin Cheater Auburn University’s dream season-to-be-vacated, ok?
Not only have we had a significant amount of experience in beating programs who are huge historical cheaters (4 out of the last 5 years, in fact)

Good to see that the material’s still three-weeks-fresh. Sorry — I like your writing (been reading since 2008), but this just seems run into the ground (and no, I’m not taking up for Auburn with that comment).

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Boise State is Kentucky+

I don’t think Kellen Moore would have lasted the season in the SEC, and they showed no ability to stop a competent running game. They also lack top level team speed. It would get even worse for them when they had to rely on depth, either to give the starters a break in a tough game, or to compensate for the inevitable injuries that come when playing people as big as you (or bigger at many positions).

I would be extremely disappointed if South Carolina lost to that Boise State team on a neutral field, and this was not my first time watching them from start to finish this year. I think fans of the top four in the West would feel the same. With only a week to prepare, I would give Boise a less than 50% chance of winning on a neutral field vs. five SEC teams, and give a few others a punchers chance. I think they are likely an 8-4 (4-4) team in the SEC with more downside than upside in the final record.

I think TCU is legitimate.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 30, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Kellen Moore wouldn’t have lasted the season. There’s not a pass rush in the WAC that compares to the average SEC front seven. And I think he benefited from having two great receivers that were able to run free for the most part, in Titus Young and Austin Pettis.

And you’d get no argument from me that they might be a 4-4 team in conference play. To that end, though, what of Auburn?

This year’s heir apparent (albeit with one big obstacle to face), they’re a year removed from being 3-5 in SEC play. They parlayed that into an 8-5 finish, complete with a New Year’s Day bowl berth, by virtue of some help in the non-conference schedule.

Of course, none of this takes into account that we’re projecting the current Boise State team with its current funding against the SEC and its teams with their current level of funding. Give Boise State the BCS conference payouts that they’d get for being in such a conference, and I think the depth would be less of an issue — as would the “playing people bigger than you” factor.

At any rate, I guess we get to see it all put into play with Utah this coming year in the PAC-12. It should be interesting.

And in the interests of full disclosure, I have no vested interest in Boise State or any mid-major for that matter. Rather, I took exception to the smarmy, condescending tone used (in the original piece) to address a mid-major by someone whose team didn’t perform much better than one this season.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

And your tone is what, exactly, YITS?

I find it interesting you joined yesterday, and are currently trolling in all the SEC blogs. But, to give you a modicum of doubt, if you’ve been reading Vineyarddawg’s posts since 2008, he’s only been doing this bit since about mid-season this year, and it’s a play on the Colbert Report’s version of this. Maybe that will help explain Vineyarddawg’s “smarmy, condescending tone.”

And since you’re a YITS, let me help you out: in the South, it’s bad form to walk into someone’s back yard and take a huge poop…either literally or figuratively. It’s one thing to disagree, it’s another to be self-righteously/arrogantly judgemental. And to what end…you apparently have no vested interest in any team mentioned here whatsoever, or so you claim.

If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.

by Inteljumper on Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Well your sig line sure sums it up...

You went ugly early.

You have no idea how long I’ve been in the South, so it seems a bit imprudent to use that as your jump-in for bashing me / my name / my comment / my motivation / my choice of motor vehicle / my [insert whatever here].

I’m not sure whether to be flattered or frightened by the fact that you felt it necessary to go track down every post I’ve made. Rest assured though, that says a lot more about you than me, as I’ve not done the same.

I’ve read SBNation blogs for years, and I’ve never really felt the need to register to comment. Is that a big deal? Does that make my opinion count for less?

And I wasn’t being “self-righteously/arrogantly judgmental.” I believe TKK has the lockdown on that. I was just giving my opinion.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

How do I have the lockdown on being self-righteously/arrogantly judgmental?

I’ve defended Boise State consistently for five years. With apologies for ending a sentence with a preposition, what the heck are you talking about?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

I wasn’t referring to you in the context of the Boise State debate. I meant in most other things (like Auburn and Florida).

And actually, I didn’t mean it in a bad way — it works for you. It’s funny. Makes me laugh anyway.

And your apology for ending a sentence with a preposition is unnecessary; I do not worship at the altar of Strunk and White.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I take issue with that characterization.

It’s only arrogant if I’m wrong, and it’s only self-righteous if I’m pointing out the mote in my brother’s eye while ignoring the beam in my own.

While reasonable people may disagree over some of the judgment calls involved, I don’t think I’ve been factually wrong about any sincere statement (as opposed to an obvious exaggeration for the sake of humor) about either Auburn or Florida.

While I’ve criticized Auburn and Florida where I have thought it was warranted, I have been critical of Georgia, as well. To cite but a few examples, I advocated firing Willie Martinez, I advocated firing Brady Wiederhold, I advocated firing Damon Evans, I advocated setting an example with Alec Ogletree, and I criticized Todd Grantham for the “choke” gesture.

I’ll grant you “judgmental,” but I’m applying the same standard to my own school as to our rivals.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, then I apologize...

I should have been more clear that I was referring to the over-the-top level that it goes to with regard to Auburn and Florida (e.g." “Auburna delenda est!”, and some of the other posts from around the time of the WLOCP).

I respect what you do, and appreciate the effort that you put into your site.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And since you care so much:

 Perhaps you should actually have read the posts that you cared so much to track down.

- I was agreeing with Glenn on Sea of Blue about showing up for Kentucky games as they’re a good team.

- I said that I thought the Alabama “firing” was a bunch of PR bull, and that it wasn’t that big of a deal (which other people agree with, strangely).

- I took a little knock at the Tiger Droppings Illuminati Freemason Lowder conspiracy in reference to the LSU site snafu.

- I agreed with the unfortunate possibility of Dan Mullen being poached from Mississippi State.

- And finally, I told a South Carolina fan that their team actually looks to have a good shot against Auburn, given matchups and defensive schemes.

Maybe you need to reconsider your definition of trolling.

Oh, and:

And to what end…you apparently have no vested interest in any team mentioned here whatsoever, or so you claim.

I said I have no vested interest in Boise State or any mid-major.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go so far as to say YITS is a troll.

I just disagree with him, but that’s not the same thing.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 30, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

You’ve got a great site, and I like what you you write.

Sorry for the mess. I could have been nicer regarding VYD’s comments about Boise State.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a troll

Just someone that you didn’t agree with, whose tone you didn’t like, and whom you felt like deriding.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate your frankness and directness, YITS.

With due respect, however, if you go back and read all of the comments I’ve made in the past regarding Boise State, I have always considered Georgia’s game with them to be a no-win situation. I was not a regular contributor to DawgSports in 2005, but if I were, I would have been saying the same thing at that time. (And, in fact, I said as much to my friends back then.)

In 2005, I didn’t think our win over Boise State indicated that we were going to be an SEC-Championship-caliber team. I was encouraged by the nature of the blowout and how we completely decimated the Broncos, but I did not attempt to project any further meaning from the win other than “we beat the best team in the WAC.”

In 2011, I once again think playing Boise State is a no-win situation. If BSU defeats Georgia (which is a very distinct possibility), it will grant them even more legitimacy than they had in 2010 (until they get beat by TCU, Nevada, or Air Force). If Georgia beats the Broncos, however, we will gain no additional credibility, and as a reward, we’ll have a rested & ready South Carolina Gamecock team waiting for us in Athens the following Saturday.

That is my position now, and that will be my position on September 4, 2011, whether Georgia is 1-0 or 0-1.

by vineyarddawg on Nov 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I appreciate the response.

It may not be as unfavorable as you’d think, though. Rightly (or wrongly, depending upon your perspective), Boise State’s earned themselves a reputation for being head and shoulders above other mid-majors,alongside Utah, TCU, and to a lesser extent, BYU.

Following Boise State’s loss to East Carolina in their Bowl Game back in 2007, it didn’t take long for them to recapture the media cred that they’d lost.

And I apologize for the harsh words about it, but it seemed patronizing (and still does, a bit), to place Georgia’s matchup with them into that category of “yeah, well it’ll just be beating a WAC team.”

Couldn’t the same issue be pinned on an early season matchup with Syracuse, Indiana, Washington State, or Vandy?

They’re a bit more than just the (second) best team in the WAC at this point; they just don’t have the conference affiliation yet to wave around (for all the good that’s done Pitt and WVU, among others).

My guess is that a lot hinges on their bowl game, the outcome, and their preseason ranking. Given that it’s early, it’ll help that the media will be hyping up the matchup. I say it’ll do a great deal for Georgia’s credibility, especially in the wake of a 6-6 regular season finish (not to troll, but stating the record).

And the game is changing. Two of those piddling mid-majors will be in AQ conferences next year. Connecticut, Cincy, and South Florida have weathered the transition, why not this group of up-and-comers?

Again, I apologize for the snark. But there have been no shortage of SEC fans denigrating solid mid-major programs, just because they have an AQ conference affiliation to hide behind. I think I took your comments as more of the same.

by Yankee In The Southland on Nov 30, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right, and I probably should give Boise State more respect.

Placing them on the same “respect level” as UConn, Cincinnati, and USF would not be a significant step up, though, in my opinion. I’d say they’re on that level now, in fact, except that they don’t belong to a BCS-AQ conference.

I would much rather be facing Boise in the Dome in 2011 than any of the previously-mentioned teams, because as you correctly say, there is a perception that Boise is better than those teams. Boise State is a “sexy” name to the media now, and if you can manage to beat them handily, it will earn you some media cred.

Georgia had plenty of media cred going into the 2008 season, though… and it wasn’t good for much.

I’m really not that worried about “getting respect” or “making a big name for ourselves.” We have an easy way to do that built into every season… win the SEC. If you win the SEC, it doesn’t matter what your name is, you will get respect. Even if you have a 10-win season in the SEC, that buys a significant amount of respect.

I completely acknowledge that Boise is a solid team with a decent chance at beating Georgia next year. I still hope we beat them by 50 points, though. :-) (And if we do, I will not use that datum to predict an SEC Championship. If anything it might make us overconfident as we prepare the following week to play the defending SEC Eastern Division champions.)

by vineyarddawg on Nov 30, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point,

Beating mid major teams and non-AQ media darlings is the one thing we have been able to consistently do successfully. There are very few other areas about which we can legitimately talk trash (other than beating Tech I suppose but that loses its luster after awhile). Though Boise has a good shot of ending that streak shortly, its all some of us have left :-)

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Nov 30, 2010 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Do you mean to tell me . . .

. . . the ACC doesn’t count as a mid-major conference now? :)

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 30, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't elevate it that high :-)

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Nov 30, 2010 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Shock should give the pregame speech against the Broncos.

And our LBs, safties, and CBs should practice with the receivers for at least a week before the game.

Man, I love that 2005 game.

by first and thom on Nov 30, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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