Auburn Tigers 49, Georgia Bulldogs 31: We'll Use the Toilet Paper from Toomer's Corner to Wipe Our Asterisk Into the Record Book
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 8:17 PM EST
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PrintI congratulate the Auburn Tigers on their victory in a back-and-forth game that was much closer than the score indicated. As with the Georgia Bulldogs' loss to the Florida Gators, it was a great game to watch if you weren't emotionally invested in the result. I am proud of the Red and Black for going on the road and playing toe-to-toe with the best team in college football, which is led by the best player in college football.
Last spring, David Hale asked, "[W]ill you stick by Richt if Georgia finishes 8-5 again this year, but does it with a more fundamentally sound D, a better approach to kickoffs and a duo at tailback that understands how to play the position?" At the time, I rejected the premise, writing: "I don’t believe a more fundamentally sound defense, a better approach to kickoffs, and an effective tailback tandem can fail to produce a record better than last year’s."
I was wrong. The 2010 Georgia squad will finish with the worst record of the Mark Richt era, but it is a much better team than the 2006, 2008, or 2009 editions of the Red and Black, which bodes well for the future. Some frustrated Georgia fans take the view that, although Coach Richt is entitled to one more year, he needs to prove himself in 2011 by winning at least ten games. Regardless of whether you agree with that position, I believe the play of this team down the stretch indicates that such a special season next year is very much in the cards, and I, for one, am excited about the Bulldogs' prospects. Right now, I feel about as good as it is possible to feel in the wake of a loss to a despised rival.
Regarding the "despised rival" part, I often am I asked why I hate Auburn so much. No one who watched the last five minutes of this football game needs to wonder why I feel the way I do about the Bulldogs' oldest rival, but, just in case it wasn't clear, let me spell it out for you: Auburn is dirty.
Auburn is the dirtiest program in SEC history, which is saying something. Shug Jordan, one of the namesakes of Auburn's stadium, got the Tigers put on probation. Pat Dye, the namesake of Auburn's football field, got the Tigers put on probation. Terry Bowden was on tape discussing Auburn's dishonest recruiting practices. The Tigers were the kings of the chop block under Tommy Tuberville. Auburn put its university accreditation in jeopardy in a sleazy attempt to replace a coach who had not been fired. Bobby Lowder, when not causing his bank to fail, has been one of college football's most embarrassingly involved big-money boosters. Now, to top it all off, we have the inaccurately-named Nick Fairley spending the entire game delivering cheap-shot late hits to Aaron Murray, and, when the Georgia offensive line decides to exact a little---a very little---retribution for his dirty play, the Tigers respond by earning a pair of ejections for fisticuffs.
Some will say this is sour grapes. It's not; the Tigers were the better team today, and they won this game on the field. (Whether the NCAA will allow them to keep that win in the record book remains to be seen.) The Plainsmen's late-game extracurriculars, though, serve as a reminder of the truth of all the criticisms of Auburn I have offered over the years, so, when you see the words "I hate Auburn" appear here, you should understand that I mean them, and that I have valid reasons for the sincerity of the sentiment.
There are plenty of good Auburn people out there; some of them frequent this site, and many of them may be found at our SB Nation sister site, Track 'em Tigers. A few good apples can't redeem a rotten bunch, though, and, when an Auburn man calls a Georgia man a son of a bitch, he would do well to remember that it takes one to know one.
Go 'Dawgs!
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Well said Mr. King
Georgia never lost Auburn during my time in undergrad, but this loss helped me rediscover my hate for those SOBs from the only little village on the plains. Auburn’s fans and players showed just the kind of class I should have expected from Chop Block U.
Sic 'em Dawgs
by ClassicCityDawg on Nov 13, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions
I love "Hard Nosed" fotball players
Fairley is simply a POS. He has made me an Auburn hater of the first order. I hope the SEC gets more than a few tapes next week so they can do what needs to be done before he causes a serious injury. What a total POS.
That's about as perfect a summary as I've ever seen for a game, a rivalry, and a dirty player.
Those last 3 paragraphs are like the twitter version of the last 50 years of the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry.
And I also agree about the 8-5 comment. Though we will finish no better than 7-6, I’m fairly encouraged for next year. I think our defense will be very improved, and due to the departures of Green, Durham, and White, we might end up relying on our “D” more than our “O” to win games for us.
Unfortunately,
I saw nothing tonight that makes me think our “defense will be very improved…”
I just don’t know if we are missing one or two pieces of the puzzle on “D”, or if we are missing 7 or 8. We regressed in the 2nd half, which has not been the trend under Grantham this year.
Now excuse me while I go take a bath. After having watched the dirtiest game I may have ever seen watching the Red and Black, I feel a bit grimy.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
i think some of our guys will improve from experience in the system and exposure to the coaching.
And I hope we can conjure up more depth on the DL because the second halves have been poor on D because of that problem.
As a point of reference
Alabama had similar problems on defense its first year under Saban when it converted to the 3-4; they even went 6-6. Now, I’m not predicting we go undefeated in the regular season next year (although I of course would love that to happen), but there should be improvements in instinct and whatnot.
by The984 on Nov 13, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But 'Bama also got a 400 lb. nose tackle
which helped everything else.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
While I agree with DavetheDawg and ausdawg85 that we still have personnel issues, . . .
. . . I believe your analogy is exactly on point, The984.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mt. Cody would turn any D around.
We don’t have one on the horizon, so “improvement” is likely, but to the standard needed to compete for the SEC East title?….2 -3 more years folks.
And I’m not sure we’re capable of all the tactics St. Nick used to get things turned around.
Run Lindsay Run!
Some of my best friends are All-Barners
I can’t help but think they are embarassed by what they saw.
Notice the AU trolls aren’t out tonight. I think they must be too embarassed too.
I don't think so
All the Auburn fans I know are calling the UGA players thugs for provoking a fight by piling on Fairley. They’re relishing this right now.
Sic 'em Dawgs
by ClassicCityDawg on Nov 13, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, while I also think Fairley is a POS and dessrved the pile-on play...
we should not have been out on the field like that.
I agree but the refs didn't do anything to stop
the dirty play of Fairley – anger built up and boiled over onto the field. Not pretty and not justifiable but also not entirely the fault of a bunch of kids that watched cheap shot on top of cheap shot.
It would do for me to be a coach – I would have told my guys to kill his ass – penalty be damned.
No, we shouldn't have been, . . .
. . . but it’s not like there was a baseball-style bench-clearing brawl. They went out onto the field and stood there. They didn’t start swinging punches, and they didn’t even dance.
They walked forward a few feet. If that’s the worst thing they do all evening, they’ve had a pretty well-behaved night.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone is turning a blind eye to their own team.
Georgia and Auburn both took cheap shots throughout the game. Guess what? This is football like it or not. Anyone who has ever played at a competitive level knows this. The dirty teams are the one who toss dirt in your eyes or goudge at them under a pile where the refs/camera’s can’t see. Dint believe me… Watch closer.
Georia fans focus on the no flag “late hit” and punches thrown at Georgia players. Dont want the QB getting hit? Block!!!!
Auburn fans see a Georgia team with 11 convicts recruited by Richt, punches thrown at the bottom of the pile and a tiger team that isn’t going to back down from a dawg fight.
(tosses dirt into MaconDawg’s face under the pile)
(runs away while MaconDawg is not looking)
by Killgo on Nov 14, 2010 10:12 AM EST
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Please name the eleven convicts recruited by Mark Richt.
I am unaware of eleven players convicted of crimes.
Yeah, it’s football, but I can’t recall another game in which play was halted that many times due to injuries to Georgia players, of which there were a lot more than there were injuries to Auburn players. Coincidence? I think not.
“Dont want the QB getting hit? Block!!!!” is offensive. You may as well say, “Don’t want us cheating our way to a championship? Catch us!!!!” Actually, y’all pretty much have said so, haven’t you?
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
TKK, when did anyone from AU...
say or imply such? Since you have the statement in quotes it seems attributed to someone but you don’t state whom. "Don’t want us cheating our way to a championship? Catch us!!!!"
To date, the NCAA is not investigating Auburn. There is no current or expected letter of inquiry. The NCAA investigation to which you refer is, I belive, the one aimed at MSU and possible recruting issues that may involve an individual that now plays for Auburn or a member of his family. We now know that the NCAA met with Newton and his parents this past week. We also know now that Auburn didn’t make the decision to play Newton this weekend until after speaking with the NCAA after they had, in turn, spoken to the Newtons.
But I don’t recall anyone remotely associated with Auburn issuing a “catch us” statement.
DWWD -- WDE!
To analogize your agument...
… the NCAA did not investigate Georgia, they investigated the University of North Carolina and a party that was held in Miami where many players associated with UNC (and potentially other colleges) attended. One of those players was A.J. Green.
The NCAA never once implied that Georgia did anything wrong, and A.J. Green publicly stated (truthfully) that he’d ever even been to the city of Miami, yet A.J. Green was still suspended for 4 games, and had Georgia played him in their first game against Louisiana-Lafayette in the face of overwhelming circumstantial evidence that something was wrong, we would now be 4-7 instead of 5-6.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point in that regard
I just think the two incidents are too different to actually compare. But I’ve been wrong before. I just wasn’t sure where TKK’s “Catch us” phrase came from.
DWWD -- WDE!
Yes, they ARE very different.
The Newton situation is MUCH more severe, and Auburn may well find themselves on some severe probation once the smoke clears, due in no small part to playing Newton in the face of mounting evidence against Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, and the Bowl Game. And, for the record, I’m not a UGA fan, nor even an SEC fan. Just an interested observer to all the madness that the Newton situation has spawned.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Statement in quotes
The “Catch us!!!!” bit was introduced by the phrase, “You may as well say”, which makes it obvious that no one actually said it. That’s what the conditional “may” means. It is an apt analogy to the QB blocking bit. And the “pretty much said so” means “didn’t actually say, but could reasonably interpret as meaning”.
It’s fundamental.
Thanks, NCT. As usual, you apprehended my point exactly.
ATL_AU_FAN, I understand that there are two separate issues here: whether the Newtons violated NCAA rules and whether Auburn violated NCAA rules. Right now, the NCAA is focused on the first issue.
However, as vineyarddawg noted, Georgia was given reason to believe there was an issue with A.J. Green, and the Bulldogs sat him even while he remained eligible. Alabama, North Carolina, and South Carolina were given indications that some of their players might have problems, and they voluntarily sat them while awaiting a final verdict.
Auburn was informed last week that Cam Newton might have eligibility issues. Auburn chose to play Newton, anyway. It’s a good thing the Tigers decided to do so, because I think it’s clear that, if Cam Newton had been sidelined yesterday, Georgia would have won.
If, however, the allegations against the Newtons prove true, Auburn will suffer consequences, even if no one associated with Auburn paid any money to anyone. Auburn rolled the dice where other schools played it safe. Sometimes that pays off (e.g., in a surprise on-side kick), but sometimes it comes back and bites you. If Cam Newton is ineligible, Auburn knew he might be ineligible, and Auburn played him, anyway, there will be, and should be, consequences. Auburn’s decision to play Newton may have been a sincere show of faith; it also may have been (and may be interpreted as) thumbing Auburn’s nose at the NCAA. That’s where the sentiment originated.
Go 'Dawgs!
Not surprised at the relish
it goes well with “Hot Dogs” and Fairley is still a POS. I really hope the Newton saga results in them having to vacate all their games – sweet justice. Chizik looks like a Kiffen too…….
I may be in the minority...
But I don’t think any retribution, however little, was justified. It’s a game. We should carry ourselves better than that, prove we are the better program that, win or lose, we play The Right Way. I might be more disgusted by our retribution than the entirety of Auburn’s actions.
That said, Fairley was out of control. The refs should have ejected him. The coaches should have benched him. Something should have been done to prevent a loose cannon from being a danger on the field. If he had been in Silver Britches, I would have been absolutely livid if CMR and CTG had allowed that conduct to continue.
The retribution was actually legal.
Which is why no UGA player got flagged for it even though it happened right in front of the referees.
Legal or not, I just don't like the idea of retribution.
It also looked to me that in the pile up, one of our oline men threw some punches. I don’t know about that. I just don’t like the idea of retribution, legal or not. As said, I just don’t think retribution fits with playing The Right Way.
I hear you...
though I think this was an exceptional case. I have rarely seen a headhunter as blatant as Fairley since Jack Tatum roamed the Raiders secondary in the 1970s.
D-linemen try to tackle QB's
that is one of their jobs. Sometimes the hits are late, sometimes they are overly brutal. I saw examples of what I would call both last night by Fairley, but they are judgement calls. The ref makes them.
I also don’t think the “driving into the ground” standard is used for personal fouls in college, only NFL. That may change next year.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
As much as I like seeing uppances come...
… I 100% agree with you, The984. No matter how dirty they’re playing, nothing good will be served by stooping to their level.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 13, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
You would say that.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Hey, what can I say...
… I’m a simpleton and a moron. :-)
by vineyarddawg on Nov 13, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
By that logic Fairley's hit(s) were legal...
…because he didn’t receive a flag. So that begs the question, if the hits by Fairley were legal, why was a UGA lineman trying to severely injure Fairley while he was on the ground?
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
"Severely injure"?
Do tell. I saw a bunch of guys tackling a thug. To what attempt to inflict severe Injury do you refer?
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
No, what I wanted to see was a Georgia win.
I saw what I saw.
I’d like to say, e.g., Urban Meyer’s and Paul Johnson’s teams play dirty, but, other than last year’s Brandon Spikes eye-gouge, I can’t recall offhand a single instance of dirty play by either of those coaches’ programs.
I see Auburn playing dirty because Auburn plays dirty, and has done so for at least half a century. If you saw something different, enlighten me.
Go 'Dawgs!
It's certainly more than a tackle (why is he tackling a defensive player?)
The UGA lineman appears to be doing something physically else while he’s on top of Fairley, and it certainly appears inteended to hurt him.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
He's tackling him because the guy's a punk headhunter who . . .
. . . intentionally tried several times to hurt Georgia’s quarterback.
What action is he taking that appears designed to injure Fairley? I’m asking that sincerely; I haven’t watched it again since seeing it live, but, at the time, it certainly appeared to be piling on, and nothing more.
Go 'Dawgs!
He appears to be trying to hit him or something.
The words I used may have been a little strong, but it’s more than a tackle. It is hard to tell though. Of course, Fairley may have done something else.
Fairley (would/may) have been taught a great lesson by receiving a couple of flags, though. It wasn’t quite as bad as Haynesworth stomping the guy, but it was bad.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I just re-watched the game on DVR, against my better judgement.
It appeared to me that the Georgia man on the ground with Fairly grabbed his helmet in such a way as to prevent him from turning his head away and was absolutely yelling at him for all he was worth.
Oh, god, what a horrible injustice to have inflicted upon such a poor, innocent person.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure that's all he did
The camera pans away to quickly to see for sure, but the UGA lineman’s arms seem to moving to much for it to have just been a facemask grab.
But yes, whatever it was, Fairley was certainly not without fault before, and I will not try to defend his actions.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously, if there was an attempt on a Georgia player's part . . .
. . . to injure Nick Fairley, that action is indefensible.
There is, however, a difference between saying the camera panned away too quickly for you to see if a guy did something more, but you’re sure he did something more, and saying the camera clearly showed a player attempting to injure the opposing quarterback on more than one occasion.
Go 'Dawgs!
I retract
I cannot be sure. But all of the arms movements seem to suggest it was more than a tackle. However, even if it was, Fairley may have done something at that instant to warrant it.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Dirty yes, but no UGA defense
The dual mascot team was very dirty on defense, but what is the excuse for our inability to stop Auburn from executing the same offensive play over and over again. Our secondary is horrendous with the execption of a very luck INT. This vacancy opened up the door to Auburn’s running game ,which consists of Newton. With all the tape on him we were still unable to stop him. Does this lie on the coaches or players ability?
If we had a decent secondary the threat of Newton would have been atleast mildly mitigated. Our defense has been so poorly coached over the past several years that I wonder what they were planning for. Newton has it all, but if you can eleminate just one of his options you might have a chance. We not only did not eleminate an option, we opened up more options for him.
I'll repeat what I said in the comment thread (apologize in advance for any profanity)
I believe Cameron Newton is scumbag. I believe that because we already have two proven examples of it and a third alleged. I believe something went down with the Auburn coaching staff or boosters because I don’t see demanding money from Miss. St. and then going to Auburn for free. I believe Cecil Newton is the architect of the whole thing. I believe Fairley is trash. But he’s a freaking choir boy compared to the garbage displayed by the Auburn fans that booed an injured player.
Its a good thing the AU fans are toilet papering their campus, because they have several players and fans that are shitting all over the university and its reputation.
That said, I feel very sorry for the good Auburn fans that frequent Dawgsports and elsewhere because when Cam Newton is laughing in the NFL making millions of dollars and feeling not one ounce of remorse about what he’s done to Auburn University, the fans are going to be the one’s that get screwed. And no one should have to go through that.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
is a scumbag*
Sleep deprivation and alcohol consumption…. not a good combo
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
As in the case of Tennessee...
I will shed no tears if, by the actions of the adults in charge of decision making at their institution, Auburn finds themselves sniffing the south side of a north bound dog.
Integrity has got to count for something. At the very minimum after the epitaph of this season is penned, we can say that we have it. Some schools do not.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Don't get high and mighty.
UGA has received major violations penalties 6 times in the past 32 years from the NCAA, 4 in football. Pretty much every major college football program has been in its share of deep trouble at one time or another. Auburn has avoided any such trouble, at least in football, since the early 90’s until (maybe) now. UGA is only 6 years removed in one of the worst NCAA violations cases in college basketball in recent history.
But keep telling yourself that your school is “one of the good guys”- whatever helps you sleep.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Jim Harrick was dirty, and we deserved what we got for hiring him.
Otherwise, we’ve run a clean basketball program.
Aside from the Jim Harrick scandal, Georgia’s major violations penalties haven’t involved major probation. Georgia has never been banned from television, banned from bowl game appearances, or banned from eligibility for the conference championship. Not all major violations are equal.
Go 'Dawgs!
We've only had such probations twice.
I won’t try to defend the early 90’s one. But for ‘57-’58, the NCAA has a whole lot o explaining to do. Both the Montgomery and Birmingham newspaper pieces on that incident suggest that Auburn got jobbed.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I sleep like a baby, thank you very much!
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Seriously? The player wasn't hurt!
the guy was running off the field when a replacement came in for him. Richie rich yelled at him and pointed to the ground. The guy then fell to the ground like a well trained dog to get a free time out. Nobody was booing an injured played! I have to say it was a slick maneuver by Richt.
Dude now you're just making stuff up.
A guy was blocked into his knees on the previous snap, the coaches pointed out that he was on the ground. You know, the way every coach at every level does when one of his players is on the ground. It wasn’t a conspursy.
And when you say “Richie rich” I’m hoping you mean Cecil Newton. Because if that’s the best derisive nickname you can come up with for “Mark Richt” then the combination of your creativity and Auburn fanhood is incredibly ironic.
Why don’t you head on over to Track ‘Em Tigers and celebrate with the other Auburn fans. It’s a great blog, and they’ll appreciate your patronage.
LOL! Go watch the game again.
The Auburn and Georgia fans who came with me to the game also saw this and we were laughing about it because he was obviously not really hurt. Seriously go back and watch the game again. I just hope they caught that on camera so I post it to YouTube later. You have to admit that one was funny.
So you'll grant that your nickname skills are those of a 7 year old, right?
The rest of it’s not even worth a response.
Like I said...
Garbage. Thanks for proving my point.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Nov 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have your fun now, WarTigerEaglePlainsman
…cause it’s all going to come crashing down on your heads in a few days/weeks/months/whatever. And the bottom of the pile is indeed a place you’ll know much about for the next two-three years at least.
"Richie rich"?
Are you even trying to make sense?
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Richie rich
i didn’t come up with that name some of my UGA friends call him that. As for him being hurt a friend who watched on TV did say was limping a little bit. My bad but what he couldn’t see on tv was Richt telling him to lay down. The way it happened it appeared coach was looking for a freebie time out so people booed at that not at a “hurt player” that would be messed up.
Thanks to UGA idiot who set fire to toomers corner last night. Arson is real classy!
Could you provide me with a link on the Georgia fan who set the fire?
The latest report I saw (dated less than 45 minutes ago) indicated that there was no information yet about the suspects.
Obviously, there is no justifying arson. The person who set this fire committed a crime that risked the security of property, if not lives. If the perpetrator is identified, he should be arrested and prosecuted. If it was a Georgia fan, he has shamed his fan base. I make no excuses for this behavior.
Go 'Dawgs!
Until there is hard evidence linking a Georgia fan to this crime...
… it’s equally likely that some dumbass teenager lit up the T.P. just because they thought it was cool.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth, there is a traditional media outlet . . .
. . . reporting that it was a Georgia fan.
I’m not taking that as conclusive, but, regardless of his team colors, the guy needs to suffer the consequences of his actions. Fortunately, no meaningful harm was done, but that kind of dangerous behavior cannot be tolerated.
Go 'Dawgs!
If Georgia fans are to defend this action like Auburn fans, we will have to say something like "his cigarette accidentally lit the paper."
Or, he got knocked into the paper with a lit cigarette.
Or, he was just in the heat of the moment, hey, it’s football!
Or, he was clearly not trying to light the TP, you Auburn fans need to get classes.
The list could go on for a while.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by tankertoad on Nov 15, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's funny.
Burning toilet paper strung in trees is unacceptable (even more so than the underlying tradition of throwing toilet paper into trees), but still, your comment’s funny.
Hey, if you don't want Georgian fans setting fire to your t.p...
… you should buy flame-retardant t.p.
OR
… you should do a better job of blocking Georgia fans who are trying to get into Toomer’s Corner.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 15, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
yea, those are spot on...funny too.
I may get called out, and I know it wasnt right, but right now I don’t care that toomers corner was on fire. I dont find it funny, not saying I am laughing, I just dont give a damn at the point having seen so much justification over Fairley. And going back and watching Fairley only made it worse.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
I understand where you're coming from, tankertoad, . . .
. . . but I see it differently, because the two are somewhat comparable, in this sense:
Nick Fairley was trying to injure Aaron Murray by striking him in dangerous ways, including a helmet to the spine when Fairley was running and Murray was defenseless. That could have caused a life-altering injury. It didn’t, but it could have, and we shouldn’t have to wait for such a tragedy to occur to put a stop to such indefensible actions.
The person who lit the fire in Toomer’s Corner did something reckless and dangerous that could have caused massive property damage and even cost lives. It didn’t, but it could have, and we shouldn’t have to wait for such a tragedy to occur to put a stop to such indefensible actions.
Granted, there are valid distinctions. The arsonist presumably lit the toilet paper on fire only once, whereas Fairley went after Murray multiple times. The arsonist presumably was acting foolishly without thinking, whereas Fairley’s misdeeds clearly carried the taint of premeditation. Although I cannot know this for sure, the hour at which the arson occurred strongly suggests the involvement of alcohol, whereas Fairley presumably was not under the influence of any mind-altering substances.
In short, the two are not the same, but they are similar in that they were reckless and dangerous. Both acts deserve condemnation, because failure to pay adequate attention to either risks a repeat performance in which the victims might not be so lucky. Regardless of the team allegiance of the perpetrator of the Toomer’s Corner arson, his actions deserve consequences for the same basic reason Nick Fairley’s do.
Go 'Dawgs!
Doubtful
No self-respecting Georgia fan has Auburn “friends.” Does that say more about you or them?
The dude abides.
Watched Rece/Lou/Maye report on the game.
Of course, nothing about the ending. Just more glorifying the fabulousness of Auburn.
Cruised over the the Auburn SBNation site
Average age of posters must be 15. No insights to be gained their.
Didn't join in here during the game.
But I am always impressed with the insights and witty repartie that is in full supply on this blog. Sorely lacking over there.
I steer clear of rival sites after losses.
When they win, they get to go to their place and celebrate. There’s nothing to be gained for either side by my showing my face around there at such a time.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't post --- what kind of girl do you think I am!
Just wanted to see what lens they saw things through.
Auburn ruined a good game . . .
By taking cheap shops and throwing punches.
I was defending AU and Cam Newton over the news stories about his recruit and academic record at Florida; now I am looking forward to playing an Auburn team next year who’s record is wiped and is banned from bowl games.
It was a good game Auburn, but you had to go and be more classless than Florida. Pathetic.
And next year? You’re pathetic defense won’t have a shot without Cam saving their hides.
Definitely. Especially since he’ll likely be ineligible for next year anyway, and surely he’s running out of ways to cheat for grades.
"cheat for grades"
LOL. “Cheat” for grades? At Auburn? That’s funny.
by NCT on Nov 13, 2010 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You only say that . . .
. . . because you received an acceptance letter from Auburn University without submitting an application! :)
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I actually did...
…receive an AU accpetance letter without applying many years ago (we think the ACT/SAT must have sent them my scores). My Dad, who is a UGA alum, found this particularly satisfying and suggested that if we drove slowly through the campus with the windows down, they just might throw a diploma to us.
That's exactly how it happened to me.
They got my SAT scores and accepted me. I got a letter asking me to fill out an application and send in the fee, but the letter informed that I would not get a separate acceptance letter.
I suspect he will leave
Who wants to play on a team facing major sanctions and a depleted OL?
Yes...
word has it the pro’s pay better than Auburn, and you don’t have to sneak around as much, either.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Don't really have to worry about getting someone's paper to help you stay eligible, either.
Anyone playing college sports is a bit naive to stray when the NFL comes calling—there’s only so many years you can earn that money—but especially if you demonstrate your clear superiority week after week. There’s no chance he’s back next year. Zero.
“a back-and-forth game that was much closer than the score indicated”
Kyle, I have to disagree with that part completely.
We came out and had a great 1st quarter, getting up 21-7.
After that, Auburn absolutely destroyed us 42-10.
As soon as we shriveled up like cowards in the 2nd quarter (conservative offense, running out the clock when we had a minute and a timeout, giving up an onside kick to start the 2nd half) the game was completely over.
Against a better team, you CANNOT let off the gas. This game is another huge, glaring example of why Bobo needs to be fired, and possibly Richt as well.
Why is it that Georgia fans must settle. I am a huge fan of Richt as a person, but if he were on my sales staff I would have to let him go. I expect and require, to stay in business, results. There can be no excuses for a lack of talent as our neighboring states have be producing results.
I promise I appreciate your position.
The football program at my alma mater is not just about winning games. That’s a huge part of it, but it’s not the only thing. I don’t like it when UGA loses games, but I’ve seen nothing in the past ten years that will stop me from renewing in February the season tickets I’ve occupied since I was a toddler more than 40 years ago. Including tonight, I’ve seen plenty of things in other schools’ programs that make me mighty proud to be a Bulldog.
If this were the NFL, perhaps, or a sales-oriented business, perhaps my view would be different. This is college football. I am an alumnus of the University of Georgia and a fan of its sports programs. I am not unsympathetic to the position that “he’s paid to win games.” I respectfully submit that there’s more to it than that. Do I want things to be better in the W-L area? Yes. Do I think they could be? Perhaps. Do I want someone other than Richt to work on it? No.
by NCT on Nov 13, 2010 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with what you are saying, but the big problem I have is Richt is letting his own personal biases drag us down rather than owning up to the responsibility that comes with his mega million dollar paycheck.
The way he kept his personal friend Willie on staff was darn near embezzlement. He set this program back YEARS with that move.
And now he’s doing the same thing with Bobo because he doesn’t want to have to be the mean guy who fires people.
If we were losing simply because we are the only school running a clean program then fine. I could accept that. I wouldn’t mind if we occasionally lost games that we would have won if we hadn’t kicked thugs out of the program. I’m glad we kick them out.
But losing games, and having disaster seasons, year after year because we do not have sufficiently skilled coaches in key positions, that I cannot tolerate.
disaster seasons year after year?
what are you talking about?
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Which years do you refer, Muck?
He set this program back YEARS with that move.
To this question, I sincerely hope to hear an answer.
If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.
If you get one from Muckbeast, it will take a while.
Although it may be temporary, he has been banned, because he clearly was not in a place last night in which participation in this comment thread any longer was appropriate. I hated to have to do it, but two warnings went unheeded. He left me no choice.
Go 'Dawgs!
Kyle...
I only just read Muckbeast’s personal attack on me during the Gameday thread.
I had to respond. I apologize to you or any reader if offended, but I couldn’t let it go.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
It's not a pattern with you to attack people, Dave, . . .
. . . so I’ll give it the umpire-warning-both-sides-after-each-pitcher-has-thrown-at-a-batter treatment.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that 5 minutes later after I posted this last night. I saw no added benefit of me piling on, so I left it alone.
Good call, IMO.
If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.
Will he win the Heisman after all this?
Accused by MSU staff of soliciting money to play. No denials. Am I missing something?
They would have to payone to go there too.
I would much rather go to Auburn, Georgia, Florida or Alabama than MSU. If I had all those options MSU would have to pay me to come there. Plus more pro players come out of the other SEC schools with higher $ amounts. So being a great player it would cost me money if I went to MSU in the long run.
Few things bring me more pleasure
than watching Florida being destroyed.
by Cherokee's Grip on Nov 13, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
If USC wins
I’ll be a HUGE Gamecocks fan come December.
by NCT on Nov 13, 2010 10:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That just means . . .
Three teams have one it, and it was UF 3 of those 5 times.
While I’d like to be in ATL for the SEC game each year, that sort of statistical look is not helpful.
No, that's not what it means.
Not being one of the three teams to have won the East in an arbitrarily-selected five-year period doesn’t mean being in the bottom half of the division. Even if we decide not to count the fact that Georgia tied for first place in the division in 2007, the Bulldogs have never finished fourth, fifth, or sixth in the East.
I know Reese Bobby said that, if you ain’t first, you’re last, but he was high when he said it.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but it does in fact mean we are right now in the bottom half of the east.
What matters is winning titles, not being 2nd or 3rd place runner up.
No, it in fact does not mean that.
By your calculus, second- and third-place finishes don’t count. If you haven’t finished first, you’ve finished fourth or lower. That makes no sense.
It’s late, and I’m tired, so I’m not going to look up the conference records for the six teams in the Eastern Division from 2006 to 2010, but I’d bet a very large sum of money that the Georgia Bulldogs don’t have the fourth-, fifth-, or sixth-best record in the East over that period. In fact, I’d be very surprised if they didn’t have the second-best record in the East over that period.
There is no mathematically reasonable measure by which the Bulldogs are in the bottom half of the SEC East over the last five years.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah, they don’t count. 1st place finishes count.
It makes perfect sense, because 2nd, 3rd, etc. don’t matter.
I’d rather go 12-0 one season and 0-12 the next than go 6-6 twice.
Second- and third-place finishes don't count?
I’m now officially done responding to you. Your position makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
This type of hyperbole does not merit response
Kyle, don’t let SIWOTI keep you from sleep :)
"SIWOTI"?
I’m not familiar with that one.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure its some kind of insulting acronym, that you’ll have no problem allowing since you only crack down on people who disagree with the groupthink.
This is a one opinion blog apparently. If you don’t follow The King’s opinion, you’re out.
I honestly think...
… that Muckbeast is trying to keep thumbing his nose at the community here in general and keep poking us, little by little, just to see how far he can go before he gets banned.
Either way, SIWOTI isn’t keeping me up. Night everyone.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 13, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Once again, Muckbeast, someone . . .
. . . (in this case, Siakmehl) was trying to use levity to defuse a situation. I didn’t catch his reference, but he was using humor, as several people have done this evening. You have responded consistently with personal attacks, for which you have drawn two warnings, with no apparent effect.
Moments ago, Muckbeast, I handed down a ban against you. I regretted having to do that, because you have been a contributing commenter before, but, frankly, I issued two formal warnings—-one more than I ordinarily hand out—-and you ignored them. You left me no choice.
As I indicated in my ban message, I will consider lifting the ban after 48 hours, after you have had time to cool down, but, right now, you’re obviously not in a frame of mind to play well with others, and I’m not having that here.
I am trying to resist the temptation even to respond to your “one opinion blog” crack, which I trust you know is ridiculous. For the benefit of anyone who doesn’t know better, though, I have promoted well-written postings with which I strongly disagreed (e.g., Afghan Dawg’s criticism of Mark Richt) to the front page, and MaconDawg and I have tried very hard to foster a forum for discussion.
In short, you’re free to disagree with me all day long. You’re just not free to make insulting other commenters a regular part of your participation, nor are you free to ignore politely-worded warnings when you continually take shots at people with whom you disagree.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
The point is always to discuss our opinions in a respectful and civilized (if sometimes heated) manner. and I think you do as good a job as is possible (on the internet) of maintaining that level of decorum.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, both of you.
MaconDawg and I genuinely make an effort in that department, and (as you know, vineyarddawg) I am an alumnus of one of the University’s two historic literary societies, so I take the notion of impassioned yet civil debate seriously.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Also, 5 years isn’t arbitrary. Its first half and second half of Richt coaching tenure.
Not to mention, 5 years is a common time slice for evaluating a regime.
And this is the worst 5
No coach looks good when evaluated by their worst stretch.
Its not like we are talking about 5 random years cherry picked out of a 20 year career.
We’re talking about the entire second half of his career, and the most recent 5 years.
That matters. Its called trending downwards.
I’m not calling for Richt’s firing. I think Richt + a real OC + Grantham could really be special for the next few years.
But not if we keep indulging Richt’s refusal to get rid of the dead weight.
While those points are both true, . . .
. . . you and I both know that’s not why you picked that time period.
If South Carolina, Kentucky, or Vanderbilt had kicked a field goal against Tennessee in 2007, you’d be looking at the last three years.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 13, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
and his Dad said as much
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Video of Fairley
and his hit on Aaron Murray’s spine. Impossible to defend that if you’re an Auburn fan.
It's not impossible...
… it’s just fun to watch when they do. :-)
by vineyarddawg on Nov 13, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Now now....
Lets not poke the sleeping grizzly
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Proud of the Dawgs
I am very proud of the dawgs for doing something “legal” to stick up for their team mates. Mr. Fairley was/is out of control and I am shocked that the SEC officials would not do something to put a halt to his terrorist tactics. Go Dawgs form a Bama fan.
by bamastuff on Nov 14, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
McElroy is next . . .
Unless the SEC mans up and bans this guy for his dirty play.
Game Films
Maybe Bama should watch the game films and learn from the Dawgs how to deal with Mr. Fairley. Just wish they had done it earlier. How is your QB?
And unlike Auburn's . . .
he won’t have to talk to the F.B.I., which is kind of a plus.
by MaconDawg on Nov 14, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Advice Needed: An old high school buddy who is also a facebook friend posted this: “When you stand on top of the heap, you are a popular target but it is really getting old. Cam is a great kid and we believe in him! War Eagle.”
I can’t let it go… suggestions for responses?
He's definitely on top of the heap
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
let me see... a jersey and 1 grand was worth
4 games. 100 grand is worth…auditdawg…hep’ me!! hep’ me please, Auditdawg!! hep mee!!!
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
oddly enough
the same 4 games. At least according to what I remember reading at the time, there was no additional punishment level above $1,000 or greater.
I can bake like a demon.
I hate awbern
as Doc Holiday said in the film Tombstone:
“I know, let’s have a spelling contest!”
Confirmed Cheatin’ SOB!!!
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
It pains me to post this. Sad but true.
“Oh… Bacarri, I apologize, I forgot you were there… You may go now.”
Vomit.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Auburn "dirty"
I am an Auburn fan, let’s get that out of the way.
However, I don’t believe Fairley deserves all of the comments being directed his way. He plays hard, he will hit you, hard. But if he’s constantly doing it, as is being portrayed here, he would undoubtedly be flagged for it, The officials are not going to let him run rampant, which is what one would think from only reading what is posted here.
At any rate, good game Georgia.
Thanks.
Good game to y’all, as well.
As for the rest of it, well, we will have to agree to disagree.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
"Disagree" is putting it mildly, Kyle....Fairley is just a dirtbag...
…from a place that produces them with some degree of regularity. Can our visitor spell “Junior Rosegreen”? That piece of human garbage generated the NCAA’s current rule against helmet to helmet hits with what he did to Reggie Brown in UGA at AU 2004. Maybe the NCAA will take a look at Fairley’s spearing and other antics and pass a rule is HIS honor as well, such as the NFL already has. I just wish this scumbag would stay on another year so he could get a little payback next year. But he won’t.. Both he and sCam are off to the pros come January, assuming that they’re both not already inked with agents (an assumption I would not make).
by Vindexdawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate your resonable argument.
However, in the words of Samuel L. Jackson, allow me to retort.
1) The late spine hit on Murray should have been called. I don’t know why it wasn’t. Perhaps the ref didn’t see it, but it should have been called. In addition to being illegal, it was, without question, and extremely dangerous hit (both for the QB and for Fairley since he led with his head down).
2) The driving of players into the ground is also dirty play. In the NFL this is a point of emphasis and is regularly called. In the NCAA it currently isn’t, but the fact that it is legal does not make it ok. I want to be clear that I’m not saying there is some kind of conspiracy here. Ben Jones going after Fairley was similarly “legal” but was also a dirty play nonetheless (so it goes both ways).
3) Fairley’s actions following the scuffle that broke out can not be characterized as playing hard. Though it was not directed at the Georgia players, this was clearly taunting. While not dangerous in this instance, it goes to Fairley’s attitude toward the incident and the game.
Auburn deserved to win this game (and ya’ll have a VERY good team), but in the future Fairly would be better off just sacking the QB the old fashioned way.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
The spine hit was called. It extended the drive.
I think most of our fans’ point of emphasis there is that it was so blatantly late and flagrant that it should have been an ejection.
My mistake. I didn't think it was.
Then again, I wasn’t exactly thinking clearly for the majority of the game. Perhaps Gary Danielson’s impassioned plea for how it was acceptable tainted my recollection.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Nov 14, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. Danielson was a little off there.
I remember he said it would have been a fine and probable ejection in the NFL, but it was just continuing the play in college (?).
Danielson also said that the play early in the game when Fairley drove Murray to the ground after the throw and hurt his own shoulder was acceptable. It was the first of many uncalled late hits.
There was also the "clean" hit where they first mentioned Fairley's being charged
as “driving QBs into the ground” where Fairley got there legally late but smashed his helmet into Murray’s chest and did in fact “drive” him into the turf. It was unsportsmanlike at best, and that was before the attempt to smash Murray on the hurt shoulder, the spearing into the back that got flagged, and the helmet driven into the knee.
Nick Fairley is a dirty player. AU should expect a punishment on him pretty soon from the SEC, and they should hope that it happens for the Iron Bowl rather than for Atlanta.
Oh yeah
The hurt shoulder came a few plays later shortly before our first TD. The shoulder injury hit might have been a legal hit now that I think about it.
I think it speaks volumes . . .
. . . that we’re having difficulty distinguishing between Nick Fairley’s dirty hits. There were so many of them that we’re having trouble telling them apart.
Go 'Dawgs!
E-- F ING EJECTION
LIKE, SERIOUSLY.
CLEARLY TRYING TO HURT THE QB!!
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Hits
Fairley did the “championship belt” move at least three separate times during the game. How players get away with doing that (or the Chomp) and not getting PF flagged is beyond me.
As others have mentioned, Fairley would be losing at minimum a game check if this was the NFL, maybe even suspended a game, from the late hits he made tonight.
He should have been flagged a couple of times for personal fouls,
which would have led to an ejection and one-half suspension against Alabama. He didn’t, and I’m glad he’ll get to play the whole Iron Bowl (it seems), but he definitely led with his helmet, and in at least one of the plays, consciously did it.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Chizik Will Reap What He Sowed
Even before the nasty finish, I was livid at Chizik’s behavior, pumping his fist on every play and trying pointlessly to run up the score. Then he leaves his starters in for the final series and gets two of them banned for the first half of the Bama game, while another doubles down on a disgraceful performance. For an allegedly unemotional coach, he sure let his emotions get the best of him when his team needed some dignity.
Now that Nick Satan can’t win the SEC or the MNC, I hope Bama beats Auburn 50-0. And if Auburn is even slightly implicated in a Newton scandal, Chizik should suffer most for playing the victim and using this to thug up his players.
Well, I wouldn't say he tried to run it up on us.
We’d beaten them four years in a row, and they were ranked No. 2 and in need of style points to benefit them in the pollsters’ eyes, and we gave the ball back to them on downs deep in our own territory. I don’t fault him for that.
The rest of it, though, I’m with you.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Run up the score? Auburn ran the ball up the middle, can’t really help that you couldn’t stop that man.
I’m not here to start arguments, but there are definitely some statements being thrown around that I can’t read and not shake my head.
It's usually that way on team-specific weblogs.
That’s why I’m steering clear of Track ‘Em Tigers tonight. I know those guys, and I like them, so it’s probably better that I not go over there tonight.
I agree with you on running up the score, as I said in my comment above (which was posted essentially at the same instant as your comment), but, on the whole, I think you have to say we’re being pretty fair.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. You were expecting different?
The head-shaking is mine: Why do fans visit other teams’ blog sites for anyhthing other than curiosity? What is possibly gained by participating in the fray?
It’s not like we’re gonna change each others’ minds, now, is it?
There was definitely no running up of the score.
We turned the ball over on downs around the 27 yard line, and then gave up at least one half-the-distance personal foul penalty. The fact that it took Auburn something like 3 minutes in that situation to score is evidence of the fact that they were trying not to run up the score. But we practically begged them to get in the endzone.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
This is called going after the capillaries....
Okay, tmc0015, maybe they weren’t trying to run up the score. But during that stretch before an unneeded TD, Chizik was going crazy on the sidelines, acting like they were driving for the winning score. And there was zero reason for him to leave the D starters in—who had not, BTW, had a very good game, cheap shots aside—for the last minute. This has nothing to do with the outcome; Auburn deserved to win. But like a lot of Dawg fans, I’m more upset over Auburn’s collective behavior than over the loss. And the main reason I wrote my comment was to point out that Auburn will suffer for Chizik’s self-pity-party when he starts the Bama game with two starters out, and another as a marked man for as long as he plays college football.
I agree . . .
Auburn didn’t run up the score. If they hadn’t scored that touchdown UGA was still in the game. (Would have required a lot of luck, but the way we’d been carving their pathetic defense up all night it was certainly not beyond the realm of possibilities.)
Doesn’t mean Auburn’s D didn’t act thuggish at the end of the game when they couldn’t really stop our offense.
Auburn will come back down hard next year without Cam. As someone already said, Chizik and Auburn fans will reap what they sow.
It’s a pity, Auburn and its fans weren’t as classless even 3 years ago . . . a real shame how quickly it turns.
Let me be clear . . .
I don’t think all Auburn fans are classless — just that the current collective is in a bad way.
See, e.g., the booing of one of UGA’s injured players. Not cool. Especially since it was clear he was trying to get off the field but physically could not.
Herd-like responses are often not pretty; Auburn’s current herd mentality has gotten ugly.
And this doesn’t absolve UGA. I saw some shameful acts by UGA fans in the past.
It's difficult to believe...
LSU gave up more yards to Auburn than we did and we gave twice up twice as many points without turning the ball over.
It was certainly a heated game (as it should be, it may have went too far however) hard for me to say definitively either way as I was at the game, and caught up in the action too much to make have an objective statement. I will say it was good to finally beat the dawgs, and hopefully it counts in the long run.
I Still Hate awbern people
because not a one of them can pronounce a word with an “r” anywhere in it.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Funny you should mention that...
I was watching Ken Burns’ The War the other night. They had a sweet, old lady from Mobile talking about WWII and the Bawyyys over there. Kept referring to her time at Awwbun. Funny and adorable.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
F*** Auburn. . .
and I’ll express that sentiment till the day I die. My grandmother taught me to hate that school and everything those sorry ass bastards represent. They truly are reprehensible human beings. I wouldn’t have qualified that posting with the last paragraph. That was a piece of decency those redneck, pieces of trash don’t deserve.
Nick Fairley is just one more in a long line of shithead losers that have populated that second rate university for hundreds of years. They have long been the dregs of this conference and today was a strong reminder of that undeniable fact. UGA fans would do well to remember this game.
UGA fans would also do well to not throw shoes and drinks at me and my family while we’re calmly sitting and watching the game.
You're right, mdhenshaw.
I’m sorry that happened to you, tmc0015, but, obviously, none of the people commenting here were the folks who did that. You’ve admitted that, because you were there, you didn’t see the replays the rest of us saw. I tried gently to steer you toward SB Nation’s Auburn weblog, where I’m sure your sentiments will receive a warmer reception.
I’m sorry shoes and drinks were thrown at you. An Auburn fan threw a drink on Larry Munson during the 1982 “look at the sugar falling from the sky” game; he even comments on it during the play call. There also is the small matter of the water hoses. These things happen, and everyone here has been very civil to you.
Congratulations on the win. If you want to criticize Georgia fans, you may want to go do it with Auburn fans.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I was at the Between the Hoses game, too.
Awesome victory, but we were using tickets given to my father by an Auburn fan, so we weren’t in the sections that got wet.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
If the refs knew what they were doing...
…UGA wouldn’t have won that game. When defensive players stay on the ground after a play so as to keep the offense from lining up, the clock should be stopped and a flag thrown.
I blame the refs for the water hoses[/tongue-in-cheek]by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'll go one further....
I am not an Auburn hater by tradition (though growing up in West Georgia, I did learn to heartily dislike the chip-on-the-shoulder, we-have-to-cheat-because-we’re-the-underdog attitude of some Auburn fans, which I chalked up to the Bear’s dominance). I don’t hold this team for the sins of past Auburn teams, and am no longer upset about the fire hoses. And I understand that fans are going to be fans and see things differently.
But it’s very clear that Gene Chizik has used the Newton mess to reinforce that traditional Auburn sense of us-against-the-world and unleash the worst instincts of at least some of his players. If it turns out Newton and Auburn are as innocent as driven snow, maybe I’ll understand that. But actually, I think a tad of self-doubt should be creeping into the minds of Auburn fans right now, beginning with an appreciation of how this game ended. It couldn’t have been much clearer, on TV at least, how Fairly and his coach were behaving.
But the sun will come up for all of us tomorrow.
I have two sets of close friends that are Auburn alums.
The first, when I asked him about the Cam Newton fiasco, responded: “No, we’re gonna get slapped with sanctions… We’re dirty as hell”
The other insists this is all a conspiracy concocted by someone at Alabama because they can’t stand the idea of Auburn winning a title.
Both think anyone that believes they’re coming out of this squeaky clean is misguided at best.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
can't beat us...then turn on the hose, right?
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
If you're an Auburn person. . .
you deserved worse. No doubt about it. You’ve been doing worse for the last 10 years. Pure trash. Always and forever.
All right, let's be more civil hosts than that.
I share your sentiments, but let’s not be ungracious.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry. . .
I’ll stop. But seeing Trooper Taylor celebrating with the player that just put on one of the dirtiest shows I’ve ever see in the SEC has done a number on me. Then having Auburn people (and let’s be honest, what’s the percentage chance an Auburn person posting on a UGA site did not get their application rejected by UGA admissions at least once) scold us was more than I could handle. Probably time for bed.
I'm with you, GoonerDawg.
I just don’t want us to sink to their level, particularly when tmc0015 wasn’t going out of his way to be a jerk.
I think we could all use a good night’s sleep, but this Fresno State-Nevada game won’t watch itself! :)
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
For what it’s worth, I grew up in Kennesaw, Georgia, more or less as a Georgia fan. I was also accepted to UGA, but chose AU because the engineering college is much better here.
I like going to opposing sites, it’s good to see the other side, helps one stay rooted in reality, rather then seeing the world though their own shade of glasses.
The engineering college?
yeah, it’s not so good…they let Ga Tech have engineering. Did you decline to attend because of UGA’s weak architecture program, too?
Engineering
Considering that the Board of Regents just in the last week approved the beginnings of engineering programs at UGA in the near future (except Ag Engineering, which we already had), I can understand why someone might have chosen another school for engineering — that is, if that someone couldn’t get into Tech.
One of my good friends started his undergrad degree at Georgia...
… then he decided he wanted to go into engineering, but couldn’t bring himself to enroll at Clemson, Auburn, or Tech. So he became a Texas A&M Aggie.
God, that guy is a good friend and a DGD.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It looked like Trooper was trying to get Fairley off the field.
I am proud to be a Kennesaw State Fighting Owl. -- Vince Dooley
I'll buy that, . . .
. . . but I wish he’d have done it without giving him five. (It also would help if he turned his hat around like an adult.)
Seriously, I’m not blaming Trooper Taylor, but, if a Georgia coach tried to get a guy off the field, he’d stand in front of him and move him off the field like an authority figure, not like a teenager trying to coax a fellow teenager away from the situation. Taylor tried to move him away by laughing and cutting up with him; if a guy’s doing wrong, he needs to get in his face and tell him he’s doing something wrong.
I’ll buy that he was trying to do basically the right thing, but, when that’s how a coach tries to exert authority, we shouldn’t wonder why the program he works for is the biggest thug program in SEC history.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
Both teams’ coaches have had some rather negative moments for their teams the last couple of weeks. You seem to be taking such an attitude against Auburn because you lost the game. Both teams showed their asses during that game. You seem to think that Georgia is completely innocent in the game, but I doubt they did not have their own mistakes.
If you think I'm taking that attitude because we lost, . . .
. . . you need to go through the archives more thoroughly before forming an opinion.
I was unequivocal in my criticism of Todd Grantham for his “choke” gesture at Chas Henry, and I repeated that criticism on John Frary’s radio show. When he didn’t apologize, I made my disappointment clear. I similarly held Damon Evans to a high standard in the immediate aftermath of his arrest, and called for his removal once the details were known.
When my guys do something wrong, I call them on it. Your suggestion that I have adopted a negative attitude toward Auburn based on yesterday’s result is untrue and unfair.
Go 'Dawgs!
Exactly
Your negative attitude (“hatred” would be a better word has been there) has been built up for years, and it clearly shows. Of course, in an echo-chamber such as this here, you will think such hatred is justifiable and even rational.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 6:35 AM EST up reply actions
Obvioulsy it's not a total echo chamber
as you folks keep coming around. Perhaps you yobs might go think about Cam Newton’s eligibility for a while, or failing that, play in the i-20 traffic some.
I don't need your help
I think about it all of the time. We’re too deep in the season to do much of anything about it (unlike AJ Green’s situation), until the NCAA makes a concrete ruling.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, I genuinely don't understand how your comment . . .
. . . squares with the comment to which it was offered in reply.
Yes, I hate Auburn, and my hatred is justified, and Auburn routinely demonstrates that my hatred is justified, but (as I demonstrated above) I’m critical of my guys when they deserve it, too. To paraphrase a line from George Clooney to Julia Roberts in “Ocean’s Eleven,” yes, I’m biased, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.
The “echo-chamber” criticism is stupid and insulting. The mere fact that you are here and being engaged in a rational and civil discussion proves how silly and unsupported that allegation is.
Go 'Dawgs!
No, there are plenty of people here that are level-headed...
…but for an example to the contrary, there was a comment something to the effect of “The only Auburn tradition is recruiting thugs.” Instead of being critical of such venom, you ignore it by correcting the poster on with whom we replaced Florida State with that year. By not addressing such comments, you seem to be giving every indication that you agree with them.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
That's a fair criticism, MnM Enterprises.
In my defense, I cannot reply to every comment, much less every point made in every comment, so some generalizations are required, and some misunderstandings will arise from those generalizations. As with all human communication, we all would do well to interpret any ambiguities in the context of our past dealings with the person communicating the unclear sentiment. I would like to think such an approach generally would win me the benefit of the doubt, although I freely concede that, where the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry is concerned, the scales may tip the other way.
As with the feedback regarding the possible unintended connotations of the word “thug,” I will bear your constructive criticisms in mind, MnM Enterprises.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 15, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Better way to get your players off the field:
See Vandy 2007. We won the game and the majority of players happened to be midfield, so Richt went ape shit because he wanted to avoid any suggestion that we were deliberately trampling their logo.
by Slakmehl on Nov 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYistNC78uU
But I’m sure Troop’s approach has its own merits.
Also, Bryan Evans after the ill-advised gatorade bath at GT
Funny, I looked at that as a total display a player's lack of respect for a coach.
It was like someone trying to lure a pet with a treat when, “come” should have been enough. More indication to me he was out of control.
by hbtd on Nov 14, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Two biggest plays of the game....
21-14. Auburn on third down and Rambo almost intercepts the ball. Somehow he’s called for interference and the Tigers eventually score.
The onside kick totally changed the game. We had a real chance to get the ball first and impose our will, run the ball, and take the lead. Playing from behind was advantage Auburn.
by mdhenshaw on Nov 14, 2010 12:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
totally...Rambo was there first...
I was screaming, " Auburn doesn’t have rights to the ball!!!!????"!!!!!!
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Danielson’s...
casual dismissal of the play was even more maddening. What game are those clowns watching?
the onsides....
that is an old-school Richt move….dang…I couldn’t believe that we got beat on his play….
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
got v-tech in the peach bowl with Stafford...remember
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
In all fairness...
… Mark Richt said the coaches “told those guys” to be prepared for the onside kick coming out of the half. It’s one of the only times I can ever remember him specifically putting all the blame for a mistake on the players themselves, so that probably means they really emphasized it to them.
The other side of that coin is that the type of onside kick that Byrum performed is, when executed properly, virtually impossible to defend with a standard kick return configuration. And you have to hand it to him… Byrum executed that play to perfection.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm nitpicking here...
but I really think the kicker hit ball right after he kicked it. It looked like it hit his calf after the first or second bounce.
I somehow missed that.
Dang it, mdhenshaw and MaconDawg, you guys are going to make me watch this game again on my DVR. (Or, well, part of it, at least.)
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I still don't understand how Danielson didn't see that, yet got the crew to zoom in on the 10 yard mark.
They showed it roughly 3 times on the replay.
After watching the replay, I gotta say that I think that one was clean.
It looks, to me, like Byrum kicked it right-to-left, and the motion of his foot caused his leg to swing over to the left side of the ball, which passed his foot then on the right instead of the left.
This made it look like the ball hit the bottom of his calf, but if you look at the spin of the ball both before and after it passes his calf, it doesn’t appear that the spin on the ball changes (which would indicate that it hit something).
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
The angle of the camera means there’s no way to tell for sure. See I thought the spin of the ball changed.
I might be wrong...
… that was just my first impression from the DVR replay. I really don’t want to go back and look at it again.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
As with the last touchdown, . . .
. . . it was a close call, but, if the call was blown, it was borderline. It’s nothing to cry “foul!” over, even if a break that should have gone our way didn’t.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I know we're gloomy here...
that aside, Cam Newton is one of the best players I’ve seen in the SEC. An “okay” defense doesn’t stand a chance against him.
I don't know.
A defense that can make him throw the ball….I don’t see much of an arm…or decision making ability.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Although, clearly, his strong suit is running the ball, . . .
. . . Newton threw some ropes out there. He’s a great player . . . he just may turn out to be the best player money can buy!
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
100% agree.
Justin Houston was quoted after the game saying that he didn’t think Newton was “that special.” Besides sounding like sour grapes, that seems patently untrue to me.
To me, Cam Newton looks like Tim Tebow, except with the actual ability to play the quarterback position well in addition to running. He threw some excellent passes, including that needle he threaded to hit his guy in the endzone on Auburn’s first or second touchdown.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
There's no question . . .
. . . Cam Newton is worth every penny of what Auburn allegedly paid to get him.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You don;t see much of an arm???
Geez, man, he was pinpoint accurate the whole night and threw it like a cannon shot on half the throws. The only incompletions were drops.
Furthermore, you do realize he is leading the SEC in QB efficiency and completion percentage by about half a mile?
how many attempts?
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
against who?
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
What do you mean?
123-183 for the year before today. 12-15 today.
Definitely helps when the D has to sell out on stopping his runs though.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Yes, but that's why he's so damn good.
You have to sell out on his runs. And then he is better passer than Tebow was.
Agreed.
Just imagine if he had Jared Lorenzen’s body type. Wouldn’t even need linemen.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
He barley needs them now.
He’s Tebow with a better arm, Mallet with mobility.
Absolutely.
There’s no question he’s a great player. I take nothing away from him in that department.
Go 'Dawgs!
I didn't say he couldn't throw the ball
I was just saying that in the NFL…that running every down crap will stop.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
It will, but this guy will be good in the NFL too.
His speed at that size means he will still be a good mobile QB in the NFL…they will have hard time getting him too. But his passing skills are really good for a “running” QB, not to mention that running QBs are not often 6’ 6."
agreed.
can he write an English sentence?
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
not the way things are going in this country!!
lmfao
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Football players are not usually accused of being insightful...
Myron Rolle notwithstanding!
Don't forget the Stinchcombs.
Miss those guys.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Oh if they can get him past his current misfortunes he will be a broadcaster,
Well spoken, big smile he’s the broadcast package for his post NFL career.
Yeah...
I think the 6’6" and apparently durable will be the big selling point for the NFL. As I said, Jerry Jones will probably snap him up. He loves guys with character issues.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
hahahahahhaha!!!
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Big arm, too.
He can make the throws. They will coach him on touch and reads.
And then Jones will hire somebody like Chan Gailey to coach him up and burn him out in 3-4 years.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
ask Mr. Bush
on how fast and big and tough the NFL is. He has never, ever had to make the kind of lightning fast reads that an NFL QB has to make. He isn’t a NFL QB…sorry.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
I don't know about that.
He’ll have a shot. Really depends on what kind of team takes him (in terms of where they are and what they will expect in the short term). Problem is, they’ll have to figure it out quick before he does something else stupid.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
and the O line he inherits.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Matt Stafford's poor seperated shoulder never stood a chance.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
FYI
QB class more than the big three
Senior Jake Locker (Washington) and underclassmen Andrew Luck (Stanford) and Ryan Mallett (Arkansas) have been atop the 2011 quarterback class since the beginning of the college season, but Newton (listed above) has entered the mix recently due to his exceptional play as a first-year starter for Auburn, as well as the recent off-the-field allegations that will all but force Newton to turn pro after this season.
Assuming all four are available, it’s a good bet Luck, Locker, Mallett and Newton will be the first quarterbacks taken in April.
Probably a good situation for Newton
Since he’ll have a better chance of being picked up by a team that already has their act together.
Locker may actually win more at Washington than he will in Buffalo.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Talk about a guy who isn't an NFL QB...
I see why people think Locker has potential, but has he ever done anything at all?
as in Reggie, (i cheated my ass off) USC BUSH
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
yet danielson kept trying to promote his arm all game long....
It was so transparent that danielson was trying to get some heisman points for his man-crush by promoting newton’s area of weakness. meanwhile, murray’s arm and decision-making is much more effective, especially considering half the time he’s having to make the throw on the run or knowing he’s about to get piled into the ground. But no love for the redshirt freshman……who i think is tough as nails and seems to be an actual amateur athlete.
Come on...
Danielson is a fan of just about anybody who shows up in these games…he gave Murray tons of props, especially for the way he got away from the blitz.
Exactly, rbubp.
Gary Danielson loves quarterbacks. He’ll give ludicrous amounts of love to any QB.
Go 'Dawgs!
Go back and listen to him defend Fairley spearing Murray...
I do not mind him giving Tebow, Cam, whoever is hot playing legit football props.
I do mind him making up excuses for why it is alright for a DL to spear a QB in the back 3-4 seconds after the ball is thrown.
—His reason was that Fairley was playing with intensity and its hard to control that. Also that he was getting double-teamed and was clearly just frustrated.
The bench INSPIRES...
That's a fair point, Merk.
I think Danielson’s thing is to praise quarterbacks, and I agree with NCT that he praised Murray, as well. (The “other quarterback” bit was a criticism of people who ignored Murray.) However, you are right about his defense of Fairley.
The thing to remember is that CBS’s contract is with the SEC. He’s not going to be terribly critical of any program in the league, which is why he talked about how sad it would be if the Cam Newton allegations were true. No Oregon, Boise State, TCU, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12, or non-Auburn SEC fan will weep if the Plainsmen get busted.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 14, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think Gary Danielson is a reasonable man...
and as disappointed as I am in his insistence to heap praise upon #90 for the Tigers, it is my hope that when he reviews the video tape of the cheap shots he’ll change his tune a bit.
Danielson is correct when he stated Murray is going to be a superstar in this Conference. I just hope he doesn’t become the next Eric Zeier: Great talent wasted on teams that just couldn’t support the mission.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Pretty sure we are there already...
RBs—2 average at best backs
OL-By some odd way of things working out…Sturtivant gettin injured 2 years in a row might help us as we will have a GREAT LT for another year. After that the OL is pretty meh atm.
WR- After Green and Durham the drop off is retarded. Brown is either not being coached up or just sucks, TK is hit and miss, but seems to be getting at least better, Wooten is he even on the team still?, Gray is an average WR who might get a bit better after getting a full offseason of WR work.
TE-We are stacked at the TE postition…only problem is Bobo cannot figure out how to get the TE in the game when Green is not pulling the safety off the TEs.
QB- Murray may be the best QB of the Richt era.
FB- We lose 2 senior FBs…have our replacement FBs even played more then 20 snaps total?
The bench INSPIRES...
See...
If we could just pay ALL the players, it wouldn’t be a problem. Since Georgia is one of only a few financially solvent athletic departments, we could afford to make sure we never have an “okay” defense again.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Nov 14, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
YES! Let us pay for the players to come, and then be able to sign them to 4 year contracts so they can't leave early!
I’m only like 60% kidding, here, too.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Since it seems that it is just us old Dawgs left
and I am on the west coast, I’d just like to say that all these folks on Dawgsports are the folks that make me proud to be a Bulldog. Every one of y’all are so classy and erudite and funny. The kinds of folks that I grew up around with my Dad who is in his 70’s. Let’s face it: Athens beats the living daylights out of knixville, awbern, g-ville, k-lumbia. The Classic City wins, hands down, any contest. Go Dawgs!
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
by EdDawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:40 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
2007
Penn Wagers, smarting from the celebration, let Florida get a cheap headshot on Stafford. One of the dirtiest things I’ve ever seen, and a completely fireable offense (though obviously that sort of decency eludes the SEC).
This conference has been letting dudes tee off on our QBs ever since.
Whenever something goes wrong....
You can always thank a Tech grad. Have you noticed they can’t seem to get the space shuttle off the ground lately? Guess they need to revise the tricycle race.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
I'm being facetious here by the way...
I don’t want any Tech readers to get their panties in a bunch.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
Too late, indeed.
Panty-Bunching 101 is a required freshman course on The Flats. They carry them that way the rest of their lives.
by NCT on Nov 14, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was at the game...
and we couldn’t make out a whole lot from where we were sitting, and the scoreboard was behind us. The spearing/RTP flag was on the opposite end, so we couldn’t see it. We were right in the depths of Auburn fans, and I couldn’t make out any of the dirty play. We also left right before AU scored their last touchdown. We had a four hour drive home, and we had to pick up kids; I hated leaving early, but it had to be done.
That said, the fans we were around and the folks we went with were great. We tailgated with Auburn folks, and we were treated fine. We didn’t even get harassed on the way to the tailgate. The experience outside the stadium was pretty good.
I guess it’s easy to miss a lot of stuff when you’re encamped in enemy territory, and you don’t have the pack mentality of fellow fans to point out dirty shots. I was surprised to see on Twitter all the things that folks saw on TV that we missed up where we were.
I was proud of our Dawgs today. They came out swinging, and they played tough. I wish like hell we could’ve stopped them. It’d make the whole living in Alabama thing a lot easier.
I’m not proofing this; I’m too tired, and I’m going to bed.
Go Dawgs!
To all the classless and the %$*# Auburn people
You of all people should turn and look in a mirror before calling other people classless with how you all are acting. I’m just here to point out a few things so maybe you can take off the red tinted glasses.
1st the booing the injured player. Nobody was booing the player they were booing the fact that it looked like he was trying to slow down the game. If you all didn’t notice the crowd cheered once they realized he was hurt and could get up under his own power.
2nd the Nick Fairley incidents. I will give you all the late hit one that was a bit extreme but the rest seemed like effort tackles and hits.
3rd the meltdown and punches thrown. There is never a place on the football field for players for throwing punches BUT! before that happened Georgia retaliated with a dirty play on Nick after they thought he did a dirty play so each side has some guilt. Also the whole thing with Nick Fairley celebrating with Trooper was him trying to keep Fairley separated from the stuff on the field at the time and not have him go back over there. You all can say whatever here but looking through orange and blue glasses I saw the whole Georgia bench clear and head out on the field looking for trouble while no Auburn player came off the bench
I am truly sorry if you all feel that Auburn people act this way. I have always thought of the Auburn and Georgia rivalry as one of the most fun in the SEC due to the great tailgating experiences at both schools.
Seriously?
1) So you don’t deny that at first they were booing the injured player. Thanks your honor, next question.
2) The late hit was ejection worthy. He was also guilty on numerous occasions of driving the QB into the ground, something that should be flagged. He’s a dirty player, period.
3) “There is never a place on the football field for players for throwing punches”
Right. Agreed.
“BUT!”
You should have stopped before you started making excuses for inexcusable behavior.
4) “Trooper was him trying to keep Fairley separated from the stuff on the field at the time”
Wow. So Fairly is such a thug that he has to be distracted and entertained like a 2 year old in order to keep him from rushing back on the field for more thuggishness?
Auburn is about to remind everyone in the nation why it is arguably the dirtiest program in the history of the sport. You can’t go a single decade without some kind of major probation/sanction.
And if the FBI traces the payment to an actual staff member, enjoy your death penalty.
Don't forget Scam Newton's "stiff arm" in the 1st
that looked a lot more like a haymaker.
Also the whole thing with Nick Fairley celebrating with Trooper was him trying to keep Fairley separated from the stuff on the field at the time and not have him go back over there.
Let me know when the “suck it” gesture is an acceptable form of celebration….
by schlagdawg on Nov 14, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What was the dirty play Georgia retaliated with?
The just blocked him. All of them at once.
by rbubp on Nov 14, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Night
We hate awbern.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
I'm starting to worry
It seems to me that eventually people might start to view Aaron Murray as the 2nd coming of Eric Zier. That’s not a great image, for most UGA fans, since the team was never any good under him, even though he was remarkably talented.
Game
Thanks for making the game tough yesterday. UGA put up a fight. Ending could have been better though.
I sure dislike the Auburn hatred.
Take out the word "hatred"...
… and I agree with you 100%.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be honest...
I’m just looking forward to another week of Fire/Keep Mark Richt comments here at Dawgsports. The same 5 people will use the same statistics to argue we should get rid of Richt. The rest of the community will then use the same arguments and statistics asx usual to counter. No one will change their mind at all, but we’ll get to see some of our fellow Dawg fans question each other’s fanhood.
I’d ask for civility and point out that nothing has changed since the last time we had that discussion (except for losing to a team we all thought we’d lose to — and said so beforehand), but I doubt it would make much difference.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Nov 14, 2010 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
GEORGIA HAS BEEN ON A DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY SINCE 1981 LOOK IT UP YOU NON-FAN MORON.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 14, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
LOL! This is why I love spending too much time catching up on these threads...
If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.
Nick Fairly Has to Go
In reading some of the comments here, I laugh at the statement made by the Auburn fan saying that if we don’t want Murray hit, then we need to block better.
No amount of line protection can keep your quarterback healthy when a defensive player drops his head, uses his helmet as a weapon, and intentionally spears the quarterback in the back a good three seconds after the ball has been thrown. It is the most blatant cheap shot and effort to hurt another player that I have ever seen in forty years of watching college football.
Don’t get me wrong, Auburn was the better team and Cam Newton is phenomenal. I hope his problems blow over and that Auburn goes on to play in the national championship game (sorry, I have a daughter in school there). But, all of this needs to happen without Nick Fairly.
His play in this game demands a suspension. Anything less sends the clear message that the SEC either condones this type of play or will turn a blind eye to assure that Auburn plays in Arizona.
We need to let the SEC hear from us…anyone have SEC email addresses to share?
Ben Jones was suspended for like Half a game for a late hit against MSU...
Richt or McGarity need to take video of the Fairley spear + other hits to Slive…Let that SoB get suspended vs Bama.
The bench INSPIRES...
Although we are not on the same page regarding the scandal surrounding Auburn, . . .
. . . I understand your reason for feeling the way you do, which is entirely in keeping with the nature of this rivalry (which frequently involves cross-pollination between the two schools).
Apart from that one point of disagreement, I completely agree with everything you wrote, MD1.
Go 'Dawgs!
I don't blame the UGA fans
for being upset over the play of Fairley. I’m not sure what action(s) will be taken by CGC but I, for one, think that the needless type of play displayed should be addressed. I’ve always liked the AU-UGA game and the rivalary has traditionally been one that seemed to bypass the true "hate" aspect. Not only were dirty plays not necessary they seem to have placed some "dark cloud" on what was a really good rivalary.
Like any Auburn fan, I’m excited with the win. I really think the best team won the football game. But I don’t have to like some of the "game within the game".
DWWD -- WDE!
Well said.
It was a great game, Auburn is a great team, and Cameron Newton is a great player. I haven’t yet compiled my BlogPoll ballot, but I fully expect to rank the Tigers No. 1.
I appreciate your attitude, ATL_AU_FAN. Guys like you, and the authors at Track ’Em Tigers and the War Eagle Reader, are why I have to add caveats to my blanket statements concerning the Tiger faithful. Good job.
Go 'Dawgs!
Don't Lose Sight of the Point - Suspend Fairly
I agree with some of the comments from both fan groups about the racial comments and slurs — they’re unnecessary and distract us all from the real issues.
Here’s the deal — this is an SEC rivalry game. That means slobber-knocking hits, keeping your head on a swivel and player (and fan) emotions riding high. If you’re not ready for that, go play in the Big Ten or the ACC.
It also means there will be some personal fouls and late hits. That’s part of the game too.
But, intentionally trying to hurt someone by spearing a player in the back, as Fairly did to Murray, goes far beyond the realm of a simple foul. And please, Auburn fans, don’t try to justify it by calling it an extension of the play or momentum. First, the tape replay and time stamp clearly shows that’s not the case and, secondly, if it was the ref wouldn’t have flagged him in the first place.
The point is, Fairly should be suspended. That play alone, even without the other half dozen or so questionable plays, is enough for the SEC to take action on. The question is, will they?
As for the rest, the better team won this year. I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is.
I will buy into this - fair points.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Sour Grapes
If Nick Fairley plays dirty, why did he get flagged only one time in the game? Which he should have by the way. Why did UGA get flagged for a chop block when AU is the Chop Block U as some of you have said?
If Auburn is so righteous, how come you are missing two starters for the first half of the iron bowl?
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Chop Blocks are Part of the Game -- Suspend Fairly
As an old defensive lineman with painful knees, I hate chop blocks…but don’t confuse it with what Nick Fairly did. As I said, personal fouls happen. They should be called and GA deserved that one.
What Fairly did went beyond a personal foul to the point of being gutless with the intent to injure. That play alone warrants suspension.
As for no other flags being thrown on Fairly, I’d have to call that fortunate on his part…something that might not be the case if Redding and Slive review the game tape.
I will.
The chop block was wrong. I understand the UGA players’ frustration, but that was the wrong way to handle it. This is not a zero-sum situation, though. Fairley demonstrated a pattern of behavior, not all of which was penalized. You don’t and won’t see it that way, which is part of being a fan. As far as I can tell, Auburn fans are the only ones who are giving Fairley a pass, and it’s not just UGA fans who consider his play yesterday dirty. I feel pretty good about the appropriateness of our position.
Enjoy the win. I’d suggest it would be more enjoyable to celebrate with like-minded Auburn fans than to challenge Georgia fans on Fairley’s conduct.
NCT is right: Georgia should not have committed a chop block.
It’s against the rules, and it should have been flagged (which it was). However, you can point to one chop block. One is not a pattern. Nick Fairley played dirty all game long. That’s a pattern.
In the last ten minutes, I’ve deleted comments from three commenters, warned an Alabama fan who improperly brought race into the discussion, and banned two Auburn fans who signed up just so they could post message board tripe that reinforces my stereotypes regarding your fan base, and who clearly had no intention of contributing anything valuable to the conversation.
Because I’ve made a concerted effort to ease up on banning commenters, and because Auburn fans try my patience more than most, I’m cutting you some slack, ruforau, but, for future reference, please recall the following:
1. When I go out of my way to explain why this isn’t sour grapes, and you think it is sour grapes, you need to offer something a little more substantive than merely typing the words “sour grapes.”
2. If you want to ask a question, ask a question. Don’t demand, “Answer the question about the chop block!” like you’re Tom Cruise in “A Few Good Men.”
Go 'Dawgs!
Auburn has a history of dirty football!
The only tradition Auburn has is recruiting thugs like Cam Newton and playing dirty football.
To think so many people are considering this guy for the Heisman with his history, is sad. Might as well give Michael Vick a Heisman while they are at it!
Lets not forget that Auburn holds the record for most major NCAA Violations. A team that pays Florida State 1 million dollars NOT to play them and then schedules Wyoming is as MICKEY MOUSE as it gets!
by William Williams on Nov 14, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions
Actually, I'm pretty sure they scheduled (and struggled with) Appalachian State, . . .
. . . but I totally agree with your point.
Go 'Dawgs!
We don't hold the record.
Look it up, we’re second (7). UGA isn’t far behind us (5).
And the NCAA has never explained out probations in 57 and 58, and there is no record of it on the NCAA’s website. Kyle uses it as an attempt to attack the character of former Auburn (and UGA) coach, and WWII vet Shug Jordan, but I can almost guarantee Kyle knows nothing of that probation, which seemed to be a sham from everything I heard from the accounts of the local papers at the time. He just hates Auburn, sees the NCAA put us on probation, and takes the NCAA ’s word with gospel.
With Pat Dye, I’d agree with him more. He was taught at UGA.
The FSU thing was a 10year deal. I was embarrassed, but they were the best prgram in the nation at the time, and we were coming off a bad year (Bowden’s last).
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
"The only tradition Auburn has is recruiting thugs like Cam Newton and playing dirty football."
Yeah, that Vince Dooley was a big-time thug.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 14, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
First of all
Don’t take a comment from one or two (obviously disgruntled) people as the overwhelming view of the fanbase. We know that’s not your tradition. Although the is a currently banned commenter here that would probably argue Vince Dooley was, in fact, a thug. We don’t agree with him either obviously.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Nov 15, 2010 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't take it like that at all.
I know better. I just love toying with people who say stupid things.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 6:42 AM EST up reply actions
Of course, Kyle is certainly doing nothing to help...
…with his response above. Or maybe Kyle thinks that “the only tradition Auburn has is recruiting thugs like Cam Newton and playing dirty football,” I thought he might be above that, but may be I’m wrong.
by MnM Enterprises on Nov 15, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
That's a fair criticism, MnM Enterprises, and I should have chosen my words . . .
. . . more carefully.
Recruiting thugs punks and playing dirty football aren’t Auburn’s only traditions. :)
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 15, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As for dirty moves...
Neither of our sides need to be pointing too many fingers at the other, from what I saw from the game the other night. There was dirty play on both sides of the ball.
I missed the major hit on Murray by Fairley that has been discussed and I’ve been looking for a video of it, so I’ll hold my comments on that till I do. I did see a video of when Fairley’s helmet hit a QB in the leg while going down (mixed opinions on that one) but have not see then spine hit mentioned earlier. But when I see UGA players kneeing an Auburn player on the ground, the blame is to share for the dirty moves.
Maybe it’s the Auburn fan in me, the hype of the games, and the lack of TiVo thanks to being a poor college student, but I have not seen all this dirty play Fairley is being accused of for all year long. All I see is a beast who has made plays when needed and no flags thrown. I haven’t even heard of this much talk about his play style till I read this, and much is about how’s he’s played all year long and not just this one game.
I also see no comments on Richt telling a UGA player (I forget who) to lie down on the field in order to stop the clock, when the player was clearly able to remove himself from the field (which he was in the process of doing.) Nor how Richt charged the field to get a ref’s attention (to call a TO I believe). Generally, we (the student section) settle down and cheer for injured players when they are able to get back up. But when we saw Richt tell his player to lie down, we could not help but be upset. I apologize if the booing appeared to be directed at the player, but it was at Richt. I will admit I almost boo’ed myself, but I wanted to clarify where the majority of the booing was directed at. (Not easy directing your yells in stadiums)
As for the Trooper Taylor and Fairley incident, Wyden referred to Fairley as a 2 year old thug needing a distraction. Isn’t that what happens with most college football players when they are hyped up in games? Someone coming along and setting them down before they get some sort of flag called (unsportsmanlike conduct or personal foul for charging back in)? Except generally you see their teammates doing the job, not the coach.
Just saw the spine hit from Fairley.
And I agree with you all. That hit was wrong in more ways than just a late hit. Helmet lowered and aimed for his back rather than trying to take him down with a shoulder or going for his arms to cause a fumble (assuming he hadn’t already thrown it).
If that’s exactly how Fairley’s hits have been all season long (again, no TiVo, just the one replay they usually show on the screen) then…well yea. I agree it’s wrong.
Thanks, msTiger.
Your willingness to reserve judgment until the evidence is in is refreshing. All of us (and I most certainly include myself) could take a lesson. Much obliged.
Go 'Dawgs!
I don't care whose colors you purportedly bleed...
What I’ve been reading is an unacceptable display of bared teeth and bitterness on the part of who appear to be exclusively UGA fans. I really doubt I’ve know of a fact I haven’t encountered such a display of vitriol on the part of the fans of any team, after any game, no matter how bad a loss they had just been behest to, or under any other circumstance. I don’t want to answered with any examples of Auburn fans supposedly losing sorely; if anyone is this hateful, for any reason, but particularly in the spirit of what is, at the end of the day, a game, they’re without excuse no matter what jersey they’re sporting. I’m not going to say I hate Georgia, or their fans, not now, not for any reason, but I sure have lost all my respect for their fanbase.
Peace out, Dawg Sports. You can now feel free to yell at me all you like; I doubt I’m coming back.
Fellow Dawgs, don't waste your time!
A lesson I gleaned from RedCrake, this poster just registered to post this.
Move along folks, nothing to see here…except (/nod to Vineyarddawg):
If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.
by Inteljumper on Nov 14, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
It's Monday!
Let’s Eat!
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Well said, Dave.
I love it when guys like Snispire come around to take their jabs, lecture us on class, and then announce they’re leaving before anyone can respond.
You stay classy, Snispire, and you keep ignoring your own fan base’s behavior, as you clearly have been doing if you’ve never seen vitriol like this before.
Go 'Dawgs!
Worst band in America...
Drive By Bloggers…
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
Fiery chicken, brother.
FIERY DAMN CHICKEN.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 15, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Contact the SEC -- Suspend Fairley
Despite committing a flagrant, malicious personal foul, the referees in Saturday’s Georgia/Auburn game chose not to eject Nick Fairley.
That play alone should be enough for the SEC to take action…but if it hasn’t convinced the readers of this blog to take action, perhaps this YouTube video showing some of Fairley’s “highlights” will.
Take a minute to view it, then contact the SEC and demand that he be suspended. For the sake of our conference, we can’t allow this type of play to go unchallenged or unpunished. Fairley should be held accountable and young players should be warned…
Simply amazing
Georgia fans whining about a late hit, while they neglect the chop block that they committed?
Georgia fans referring to another program as classless when their team has a history of spending time in jail?
Georgia fans whining because the lost and thinking Auburn embarrassed the SEC?
Incredibe
CONGRATULATIONS!
You are the 1,000,000 Auburn poster to create an account or join Dawgsports merely to make no point wtih no evidence what so ever!
And your prize is ………………………………………………… Fairley giving you the suck it sign!
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Tank, don't argue with an idiot!
It’ll only make you wanna drink:
because the lost
I don’t know who “the” was, but they must be pissed!
If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.
Well, to be fair...
… I did eventually start whining because of the Lost. It just didn’t make any sense.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 16, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
Suspend Fairley
First, let’s not forget the issue, Nick Fairley should be suspended by the SEC for a malicious personal foul. You can’t justify or excuse it by bringing up issues that aren’t relevant to the spearing in the back.
And, just for fun, a few other points:
- The chop block has been discussed earlier in the blog — go back and read it
- Yes our team has spent time in jail, how else will we be able to visit our Auburn friends
- Auburn didn’t embarrass the SEC, they embarrassed themselves — as do you when you don’t proof your comments.
Wow, all of this on a blog WITH spell check! It really is “Incredibe.”
Who neglected the chop block?
We admitted that it occurred, acknowledged that it was wrong, and were penalized for it during the game. We also noted, however, that it was one chop block. One is not a pattern. What Nick Fairley did (and, apparently, has done all season) is a pattern.
Who is whining? It would be whining if we blamed the Bulldogs’ loss on Nick Fairley’s dirty play. No one has done such a thing. I have said it before, but I will repeat myself for your benefit: Auburn was the better team on Saturday, and Auburn won the game between the white lines. The Tigers are the best team in the country, and Cam Newton is the best player in the country. In an ESPN Radio interview last night, I was asked whether Newton ought to win the Heisman Trophy, and I said he should, because he was the best player in college football and was entitled to the presumption of innocence as long as he remained eligible. We’re not whining about a late hit, we’re complaining about a late hit.
To be clear, though, we are not complaining about one late hit, but about several late hits, which numerous unbiased commentators have noted were dirty and dangerous. This is classless, as were Fairley’s obscene gestures to the crowd, as was the booing of an injured Georgia player. I would think that a program that has been on probation more times than any other SEC program would think twice before mentioning another team’s “history of spending time in jail,” but, for the record, the Bulldogs who were arrested for any meaningful wrongdoing are no longer with the team. The ones who remained were picked up for suspended license violations, including one who was arrested for a suspended license while going to pick up his brother’s car. You may want to wait for the FBI to finish investigating your star player, who is at Auburn because he allegedly threw a stolen laptop out a dorm room window, before you start slinging around accusations of criminal misconduct.
Auburn is an embarrassment to the SEC, and to college football. Whatever misdeeds you believe Georgia people have committed, we never turned hoses on opposing fans, developed a reputation as the home of the chop block, were banned from appearing on television or from postseason play, or did any of the other shameful things that define Auburn. Also, we get facts right on our plaques, so we have that going for us.
Go 'Dawgs!
Whine... yes, only one chop block... no
TKK, I know you have probably replayed the game, but watch the game carefully and you will see GA O-Line was dirty all night trying to handle Auburn’s D-Line. You also know that Ben has been suspended before for the chop block so it is ridiculous to think this was a first offense by UGA.
Thank you for the clarity and admission that the better team won. Most of UGA fans think they were robbed by the officials… UGA grads are usually much different that the general fan base. (Likely true everywhere).
I live in Atlanta, and hear the whining every day. However, it is encouraging to hear some of the former UGA player’s comments I’ve heard (such as Buck Belue) as well as Atlanta sports personality and CFB authority, Chuck Oliver and Tony Barnhart seem to get it right. Overall they say that the hit in the back was wrong but the rest were part of the game “when a 300 lb man is hurling towards planet earth, (when hit in the back by an OL that could not block him) he can’t change directions”. Many feel that one was in retaliation for the chop blocks that had already happened. UGA would do well to take the advise of "worry about the splinter in your eye (Fairley, Auburn) after they get the log out of their own eye (OL, Boling, Jones, etc.)" "TKK, Dirtiest in college football", “embarrassment to the SEC”, ridiculous, . . . Fanbase of UGA-Whiners, absolutely. If you want to be taken seriously, don’t write with such hatred and absurd statements.
I'm Late to this Auburn Bashing Party...
having put in late hours on the west coast this week, but I feel duty bound to join in. For some stupid reason, I thought Auburn had evolved away from its DNA, and it had somehow slipped off of my “most hated rival” list. I thought the program and its fans had reformed. And I even made such statements in public, possibly in commenting right here. But a cheating program without class just cannot escape its cheating, classless past, can it? I have not been willing to give Mark Richt, Ga players or Ga fans free passes on their own oversights and bad behavior (too many arrests, too many penalties last year, trashing our field in 2000 and our campus in 2009). And no one with an ounce of true regard for the sport should give dirty players a pass for dirty plays—and that’s what we saw by too many Auburn players last Saturday. The fact that AU fans almost uniformly refuse to face up to that reminds me of this fact: their program has a dirty past (and apparently present) because the fans have tolerated it! And, apparently, still do. All I can say at this point is: ROLL TIDE!
by Chickasaw on Nov 18, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, Chickasaw.
You can take the Plainsmen off probation, but you can’t take the probation out of the Plainsmen!
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