Friday Night Dawg Bites: Is the NCAA Doing Cameron Newton and the Auburn Tigers Dirty?
It’s basketball season in Bulldog Nation! All right, it’s Mississippi Valley State, but still. I’ll tell you what; we’ll focus on football until what’s transpiring on the hardwood gets more interesting than what’s taking place on the gridiron.
This week’s edition of Kit Kitchens’s podcast is up and running, and, while it contains my attempt to explain why I hate Auburn, my answer pales in comparison to Charles Barkley’s thoughts on the Cam Newton scandal.
Regarding Newton, and at the risk of surrendering my genteel status, I agree with tankertoad that the idea that the NCAA might recommend suspension is preposterous. I understand why the NCAA does such things from a legal standpoint, but Auburn is ten games into an undefeated season, and the Tigers’ 10-0 record is attributable primarily to a player who either was eligible for the whole season or ineligible for the whole season. While the suspicious "no comment" raises questions, it seems to me that the potential reward of playing him far outstrips the potential hit of keeping him in the lineup, particularly now that Auburn is outside the five-year recidivism period following its most recent NCAA probation in 2004.
What irks me about the NCAA’s stance is that it mirrors the organization’s mealymouthed stance on bowl games. Drill sergeants don’t suggest that military recruits run the obstacle course, management doesn’t recommend to labor that it increase productivity, and fathers don’t advise children to clean their rooms and eat their vegetables. If you don’t want to be in charge, fine; abdicate in favor of someone who does. If you are in charge, and you want to remain in charge, though, quit pussyfooting around and give a dadgum order.
The NCAA dragged its feet with North Carolina, dragged its feet with South Carolina, dragged its feet with Georgia, and is dragging its feet with Auburn, leaving each of those teams in limbo and very likely altering numerous outcomes over the course of the college football season; it is not at all unreasonable to say that, if A.J. Green hadn’t been suspended and Cameron Newton had been declared ineligible prior to the start of the season, Georgia and LSU would be preparing to meet in the SEC Championship Game right about now.
The NCAA either has something or it doesn’t. If it does, it should order Cam Newton suspended. If it doesn’t, it should shut up until it does. The idea that the NCAA "could" make a "recommendation" is weak, and, as much as I hate Auburn, no one in the Loveliest Village should be put in the untenable position of having to choose between sitting the Tigers’ best player for the two biggest rivalry games on the schedule or risking greater punishment for playing a student-athlete who has not been declared ineligible and is innocent until proven otherwise.
How likely is a Bulldog victory on the Plains in tomorrow’s game? Andy Hutchins says it’s 20 per cent likely. Andy also says Oregon, Texas Christian, Boise State, Louisiana State, Wisconsin, and Stanford have a combined upset likelihood of just 21 per cent between them, so Georgia fans actually have to like those odds . . . well, Georgia fans other than Depressive Doug, at any rate.
Finally, Patrick Garbin makes the following interesting point (with emphasis removed):
Of the 64 Georgia teams from 1946-2009, only 18 had a scoring margin of 12.0 or more points, 17 outgained their opponents by an average of 75 yards or more, and just 22 had a turnover margin of 0.5 or better.
Of those 64 Bulldog squads, just 11 - 1946, '48, '67, '68, '71, '76, '81, '97, 2002, '03, '05 - achieved (as the 2010 team is currently doing) all three of these one-sided margins. Everyone of these Georgia teams, besides the '67 Dogs, won at least eight regular-season games and were either SEC champs or came within a game of being so. Combined, the 11 teams had a remarkable winning percentage of .864.
Despite its 5-5 record, this year’s Georgia Bulldogs are statistical matches for those prior Red and Black squads. So far this season, the ‘Dawgs have outscored the opposition by 14.4 points per game, outgained the opposition by 89.1 yards per game, and won the turnover battle with a margin of +0.7 per game.
This confirms how close Georgia is to being a good team and explains why Georgia and Auburn are statistical equivalents, much as they were expected to be before the season started. What is interesting to me, though, is the fact that the 2010 Bulldogs appear to be on their way to being the twelfth Georgia outfit of the postwar era to excel in all three categories.
If those figures hold up through the end of this autumn, it will mean that, of the dozen statistically strongest Red and Black clubs after 1945, two were coached by Wally Butts in his final 15 seasons on the Sanford Stadium sideline, five were coached by Vince Dooley in his 25-year career as the Bulldogs’ skipper, one was coached by Jim Donnan during his five years on the job, and four were coached by Mark Richt in his first decade in Athens. The Willie Martinez parenthesis notwithstanding, Coach Richt has fielded some pretty fundamentally sound football teams. Perhaps that is, or ought to be, food for thought in deciding whether regime change is needed.
Go ‘Dawgs! Auburna delenda est!
34 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Kyle is correct as usual.
They should play Cam and if it turns out that Auburn’s sports people have cheated in some way yet again, fire everyone involved and endure the probation. There is a disturbing history of being less than squeaky clean in the AD. That isn’t true of Auburn academically. (My next door neighbor Wiccan chick, who is in a master’s program at the University, reported that one of her classmates plagiarized last semester and was expelled two days later. They run everything through turnitin.com or something and a newer even more advanced program too – no one can submit only hard copies any longer – so no plagiarizing!)
Back to the AD, fire them (jail them if that is possible – which it probably isn’t) if they have cheated. But so far, no proof. If Cam cheated at Florida (thrice no less), then why didn’t they expel him? Granted, Auburn shouldn’t have accepted him. But perhaps he has matured a bit and learned that one must do one’s own work? (Probably not, but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt without proof.) And if his dad was behaving inappropriately, punish him. Not Cam or Auburn.
All sounds good Stephen but
how could you possibly punish his dad? Has Cecil broken the law or simply violated NCAA rules? If he did in fact gain financially shouldn’t they go after the perp that wrote the check?
I am beginning to wonder how prevalent this pay for play scheme might be. Does the NCAA know and look the other way because college football makes them bundles speaking out only when rumors hit the street?
dear vine
what do you suppose the pig latin pronunciation of echidna would be?
I can bake like a demon.
hidna-echay...
… pronounced “hid-na eck-ay”
by vineyarddawg on Nov 12, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Your second question is the $200,000 question.
Exactly how prevalent is this practice?
I have to admit the following… when I was in school, I had a roommate that was very close friends with many athletes, and he told me a story or two that made me very uneasy about how our boosters operated (at least, in the mid-90’s). I have absolutely no idea how (or even if) that translates into the college football world in 2010.
The fact that Newton pater is virtually on record as saying it wasn’t going to be free “this time” says to me that they didn’t engage in any hanky-panky during Newton’s first go-round on the recruiting trail. But then again, Cam Newton wasn’t a 5-star recruit the first go-round either.
I suspect that practices we would find distateful and disgraceful go on behind the scenes a lot. Some involving money, and some involving, shall we say, less traceable methods more slanted towards… ahem… entertainment and recreational activities. If such a thing does go on, however, it’s likely to be limited to only the very upper echelon of recruits simply because of the effort, time, and money it would take to keep such a thing so hush-hush.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 12, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile, is anyone keeping up with this basketball game?
We’re in a real dogfight with Mississippi Valley State. Georgia leads by one with a little over four minutes remaining in the first half.
Go 'Dawgs!
Down 37-36 at the half.
MVSU is killing Georgia in three-point percentage, rebounds, points off of turnovers, and points off the bench.
Go 'Dawgs!
My Blue Devils
Over on CSS-Prime are much less frustrating to watch right now. Also, damn these guys need to get better production equipment.
by commodore_dude on Nov 12, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
"CSS-Prime"?
Is that the Charter Sports South channel available to DC Comics characters in the universe without superheroes?
Wow, even I think that reference was geeky!
Go 'Dawgs!
We managed to pull it out...
Jeremy Price saved our tail.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Nov 12, 2010 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kyle -
As usual, you take my little pea brain of a thought and take it to logical conclusions with a much more complete thought and better presentation. This is an absolutely great post on how the NCAA basically toys with people and programs and, in all seriousness, only has as much authority as the Universities give them. I don’t condone cheating and I think the intent of the NCAA is sound, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I have read that the NCAA rulebook is as thick as a dictionary, constantly changing, and almost impossible to perfectly implement and keep up with. The NCAA has outgrown it’s worth, like so many other bureaucracies.
It’s simply unfair, unjust and just not right to say “we might recommend a suspension”. I might recommend the NCAA kiss my butt in response if I am Auburn, and I would love to hear CGC say just that.
/hat tip – great post.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
i get the frustration
but in all practicality – what’s the diff btwn the NCAA saying “we recommend he not play, but we’re still investigating”, and the cops saying “don’t leave town, but we’re still investigating?”
I suspect when the NCAA says this – what they really mean is, we have enough information at this point to strongly suspect he will be declared ineligible, but, we haven’t had time to complete our investigation. Would we rather they said nothing, and then vacated the whole season but not until AFTER Auburn knocked out Boise St/whoever to play in the MNC?
I don’t know – this one’s tough.
I can bake like a demon.
Why aren't you downstairs
playing the slot machines and drinking? Or watching one of those Chippendale’s (sp?) shows and drinking? I thought you were engaging in unabashed debauchery this weekend.
Or did you decide to stay home?
I will
I can bake like a demon.
Cam Newton didn't commit a felony.
And the NCAA investigates all sorts of things. It’s a non statement “consider not playing”. Ok, I considered it, I am not doing it. But the result is putting a school, team and player on pins and needles, waiting for the other shoe to drop. An appropriate statement from the NCAA would be “We are investigating allegations of pay to play with Cam Newton of Auburn. We have nothing further to state at this time.” The end. Followed with “After concluding our investigation, we have determined X and are directing Y punishment.”
Yea, actually, that would be the mature, adult, and proper way to do an investigation and give statements. Heck, we got 30 lawyers here – I am sure they could come up with a lot better.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
fair enough
but what is the school to do while the investigation is ongoing? And do the results not impact other schools – particularly when the team for whom the player in question is playing is top-ranked and potentially going to the MNC?
I can bake like a demon.
yea - see, the NCAA sucks in how they handle things
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
no argument on that point
but at least they aren’t alone – lots of bureaucracies suck at how they handle things.
I can bake like a demon.
if we were talking about
directional-tech or for that matter – if this was UGA right now, then i think the stakes aren’t so high. But we’re talking about an undefeated team, with only a couple weeks to go in the regular season. Play Cam, go undefeated and between the SECCG & MNC, NCAA concludes their investigation and Cam’s ineligible – but wait the MNC teams are already set – now what happens? Does Auburn play in the MNC w/out Cam? Does the #3 team get the nod?
If the investigation doesn’t conclude til after the MNC and Auburn was the #2 team, how does anyone make it right for the kids on that #3 team?
The whole thing is frustrating.
I can bake like a demon.
NCAA is an Association
I think there is just some misunderstanding of what the NCAA actually is. They are comprised of members, mostly four year universities and conferences. The members give power and regulate the NCAA, not the other way around. Each member has representatives that help determine the rules, but the association has no ability to tell a member what to do. It can advise, suggest strongly, remind a member of the rules. It is frequently misunderstood that it is the school that suspends the play of a student, until the NCAA rules on their eligibility. Other than that, you are correct, the rules are so hard to implement – and it takes an attorney to understand how they are written.
Good Luck tomorrow….
Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame
You lost me at the midpoint TideFan
You indicate the NCAA is powerless – please assplain. If they can only advise, strongly suggest, remind then what stops a school from telling them to go pound sand?
The NCAA cannot suspend players...
… they can only rule that players are ineligible, and it takes them a long time to do that (as we’ve seen). The conferences or the schools themselves are the ones that suspend players.
For example, while it was called a suspension, Georgia technically ruled A.J. Green to be ineligible and applied to the NCAA to reinstate him. The NCAA ruled that A.J. Green had to sit out 4 games before his eligibility would be restored. Now, of course, the NCAA had instigated the whole matter by doing its investigations, but Georgia is the authority that “suspended” him.
That’s why the NCAA can “recommend” that a university refrain from playing a kid, ostensibly based on the opinion that an investigation is “not going well.”
by vineyarddawg on Nov 12, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, my point is about the working relationship is ruled by the fact it is an association/
membership group. If it seems odd, THAT is why.
Bama's Pluck and Grit have Writ Her Name in Crimson Flame
by TideFanAtlanta on Nov 13, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
For Heaven's Sake Don't Drink & Drive
if you come to town tomorrow! The cops had some dork walking the line down the street not ten minutes ago! I rushed to my storage closet but by the time I found my binoculars, I can’t see any of the drama. There is another police car there, but I don’t see they kid any longer. I’m not sure if he is in his car or if they slapped the handcuffs on him and placed him in the cruiser.
But if you're not in Auburn tomorrow, feel free to drink and drive!
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Nov 13, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
WSB is now reporting the following:
A source close to the situation exclusively told Channel 2 Action News investigative reporter Mark Winne that the player’s father, Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State University player about the possibility of under-the-table money if Cam Newton signed to play football at Mississippi State, though he’s steadfastly maintained that no money ever changed hands and said no official at Mississippi State ever made such an offer.
If this is true, and Auburn wishes to remain off probation, then they should know that Cam Newton must be suspended for the rest of the year. If I’m not mistaken, the NCAA has already released a statement saying that if a third party solicits money on behalf of an athlete, even if no money changes hands, and even if the athlete was not aware of the activity, it still makes the athlete ineligible.
Oops, forgot the link.
The WSB story is here.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 12, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
So now his daddy
is back peddling – evidently in an effort to clear Cam. What a freakin mess this guy has created.
I think there is a little more to it than that. I think it has to be a family member or at the very least someone close to the family in some way.
Otherwise, I’d start my new job soliciting money on behalf of every promising Florida, Tenn, Auburn, and Ga Tech recruit. I’d record all the phone calls and then send them to the NCAA. Viola! All of their top players ineligible.

by 
































