SEC Power Poll (Week Nine): "Gone With the Wind" Edition
by T Kyle King on Oct 31, 2010 8:05 AM EDT
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It’s Sunday morning (cue Kris Kristofferson), so it’s time to fill out my SEC Power Poll ballot. Yeah, yesterday stunk, but, as was pointed out in one of the comment threads last night, tomorrow is another day, so here goes:
You know what? It turns out I’m not there yet. It turns out that the "Gone With the Wind" line that best describes my mood isn’t Scarlett’s line about tomorrow being another day, it’s Rhett’s line about not giving a damn. This was the most eviscerating Georgia loss since the 2008 Alabama game.
Any rational human being must acknowledge that Mark Richt’s stewardship of the Bulldog football program has seen dramatic strides in the right direction in comparison to what came before. Obviously, the Red and Black are better against every other rival under Mark Richt than they were under Ray Goff and Jim Donnan, but even Coach Richt’s 2-8 record against the Gators is of a different kind and character from Coach Goff’s and Coach Donnan’s combined 2-10 record against Florida. Eight of ten losses to the Orange and Blue between 1990 and 2000 were by double-digit margins, whereas five of our last seven setbacks against the Sunshine State Saurians have come by a touchdown or less.
That fact is equal parts encouraging and maddening. Frankly, Georgia reasonably could have won six in a row in Jacksonville between 2002 and 2007, and the law of averages alone ought to have accounted for at least a couple or three extra victories in the last decade. It was one thing losing to these guys in the 1990s, when the Gators were just plain better than the Bulldogs; except for last year, Florida has not come into the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party as the markedly better team since 2000.
In short, there’s absolutely no way the Bulldogs should have lost that game, and, until I come to grips with the fact that they did, I frankly don’t care about the order in which the twelve teams of the Southeastern Conference are ranked.
Don’t be surprised if this theme continues throughout the week.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Is it permissible to say "goddammit" on a Sunday?
If so… goddammit.
If not… oh, well… sorry.
I hate Florida.
(This is my favorite Power Poll of all time, btw.)
As a member of the clergy,
I said the same thing today after reading Alligator Army and their posters over there.
Whether it’s okay to say on a Sunday, I don’t know. Sometimes, though, it’s the best thing that can be said.
Thanks, father.
I feel better now (sort of). :-)
by vineyarddawg on Oct 31, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If I've learned anything the past 3 seasons...
hope is the enemy of the Georgia Bulldogs. Every time I dare to hope someone gets injured, arrested, or we fumble, miss a kick, or get called for a bogus penalty. It seems like Florida represents the pinnacle of bad luck for Georgia.
Les Miles and Mississippi State managed to be the Gators in the Swamp and we somehow blew it. It’s mind boggling. Florida came into Jacksonville defeated, their fans hardly filled out their section, and we still found a way to lose.
I suppose at this point I should say...
… pessimism… proven correct… pleasantly surprised… and all that, but it sure does sound empty today.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 31, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have complete faith in Aaron Murray to lead us to victory against Auburn
and to bring an SEC title back to UGA. The most pessimistic entity on this blog believes this team will be unbelievable next year. Mark my words!!!
The Pillar of Pessimism, the Narrator of Negativity, and the Dictator of Doubt is here to rain on your Utopian Parade.
I love how they glossed over Rainey's suspension last night
They never mentioned that he was indicted on a FELONY for threatening to KILL his ex-girlfriend; he just had a 5 game suspension. I’m not going to make any excuses and say we would have won if not for him, but it is an outrage that that felon was even allowed in the stadium last night. Are people really so jaded about athletic crime that nobody really cares about this?
He's not a felon, you idiot. Stop making things up that you don't know anything about.
GAINESVILLE – The felony case against Florida Gators receiver Chris Rainey has been resolved.
Rainey, who has not been with the team since his arrest Sept. 14, agreed to a deferred prosecution. Originally facing a charge of felony aggravated stalking, Rainey agreed to a reduced charge of misdemeanor stalking.
As a condition of the deferred prosecution, he has to stay out of trouble for six months, complete 10 hours of community service and attend counseling. So long as Rainey completes the condition and does not get into legal trouble in the next six months, the charge will be dismissed.
The “felony” designation likely exists to make sure that the judge has latitude to prevent violence in case the woman is really in danger, even if no overt crime has been committed.
Does it strike you that this judge is worried about this woman’s safety? Perhaps you really think a Florida judge is so biased toward the Gators that he’d make a ruling like this just to keep a football player on the field. I’m afraid I’m not there yet.
Consider the actual level of damage Rainey did vs the level of punishment he has received at this point. Did your last sin have an equally lopsided degree of crime vs. retribution?
Now read the below excerpt. Does this punishment sound like the judge was worried? How about his girlfriend – and her sister’s – response below? Do you think that, even if the girlfriend was unable to think clearly, her sister would be sticking up for Rainey?
“The woman involved, however, said it was a misunderstanding and made a request to the judge at first appearance that the charges to be dropped.
“I did not want to have him arrested last night. When the police came, I signed papers to not press any charges,‘’ said Kelley Anderson, the woman in the case, at Rainey’s court appearance. ”I don’t fear for my safety. I think he should be released on his own recognizance.’’
Her sister, Lauren Anderson, was the one who called the police. She said she only called them to defuse the situation. She said she told the police when she called, "This is not an emergency.’’
Rainey was released on his own recognizance. He cannot have contact with Anderson and he has a 10 p.m.-7 a.m. curfew except school or work related issues."
by Actual Box of Cornflakes on Oct 31, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ABOC -
easy with personal attacks “you idiot” ….
for the rest, yea, there is a zero tolerance policy in the media fan / blog world. After one UGA player was in trouble for not making a court appearance on a bench warrant, their were people saying “kick him out of school.” 2 game suspension, not enough…..off the team, not enough. But out of school will do it!
Would Rainey have played today for CMR – its hard to say, and I may disagree with TKK here. We don’t know for sure,but maybe not. Did Rainey serve his NCAA punishment? yep.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Shut up you fricking spawn of Satan!!! Did your parents have any children that lived??
Did you wake up retarded this morning because of a brain injury or because you went to bed retarded last night? Time to Die… B**ch!!!
Jk, btw. Maybe we should create a private post and just yell obscenities at each other. lol…
for instance: I could say, " I hate you Tankertoad and hope you get herpes on your whole face." Then, you could say, “Screw you VDawg, it’s obvious you already have gonorrhea of the brain!”
The Pillar of Pessimism, the Narrator of Negativity, and the Dictator of Doubt is here to rain on your Utopian Parade.
Good grief, tankertoad.
Somebody casually calls a college kid a “felon” when he is, in fact, not a felon, and you’re going to get PC with my use of the word “idiot”?
by Actual Box of Cornflakes on Oct 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, I am ABOC - because you make good points without a personal attack. It's not PC - its called human decency and class.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
by tankertoad on Oct 31, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait a dadgum minute.
Now I’ve violated a law of “human decency”?
Because calling somebody an idiot (accurately) is worse than calling somebody a felon (inaccurately) because one has an email address and chooses to use it to post here and one has an email address and chooses not to use it to post here – and wears orange?!?
Love this blog/board, and TT, you are one of my favorites, and I think I have a track record of being very well mannered, but it’s probably time I quit coming here. The stern looks and cautionary clucking at perceived infractions of civility – not towards me, btw – have gotten a little over the top.
by Actual Box of Cornflakes on Oct 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, you called someone an idiot. Not the end of the world, not that nice either. i was on your side actually - cause I like your posts.
calling someone a felon because they dont understand the law or the charges is simply not the same.
And believe me – when I say something idiotic on this board, I get multiple emails calling me out very personally.
Thanks for the love, sincerley. I didnt mean to moderate – not my job. Lo siento mucho.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
I think VDawg makes an excellent point below, but ABC, I think you’re wrong in characterizing your use of idiot as accurate and his use of felon as inaccurate.
“Felon” can reasonably mean two different things – either a person who has been convicted of a felony (obviously doesn’t include Rainey) or a person who has committed a felony (which I think would certainly include Rainey). Kind of like how I consider OJ Simpson a murderer though he was never convicted, except that in this case there are no contested facts. Given that both of these are reasonable and commonly used meanings – I’m not bringing up an archaic technicality here – it’s unfair to insult the intelligence of someone who happens to use either.
"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs
I hope you aren't serious about ceasing your participation here, Actual Box of Cornflakes, . . .
. . . because I’m happy to have you around. I think tankertoad’s point was that we all can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, and we can correct one another without insulting one another.
Regarding the infractions of civility, I think it’s important that we maintain a standard, lest we become a postgame call-in show or a bottom-dwelling message board. If you think I’ve been guilty of overkill in the tone I have tried to set and maintain, I would appreciate it if you’d e-mail me at the address at the bottom of the main page. I’d be happy to discuss it with you privately.
Go 'Dawgs!
Well, the "idiot" comment was a little unnecessary. And it differs from the "felon" comment...
because the “felon” comment is only situationally derogatory and because it wasn’t a slur directly hurled at another member of this blog (assuming Rainey isn’t a Dawgsports subscriber).
The Pillar of Pessimism, the Narrator of Negativity, and the Dictator of Doubt is here to rain on your Utopian Parade.
ah, situationally derogatory ...
… like, for example, the situation of a libel suit ???
Do a little Google-ing, and you will find that “Falsely referring to an individual as a felon” is THE #1 cited example of a direct libel.
And the libel and defamation laws exist to remind members of society where some of the bounds of civilized behavior have been drawn in terms of speech. (And to punish egregious violations, of course.)
Since Mr. Rainey is not , factually at this time, a “felon”, charaterizing him (or any other college althlete in a similar situation) as such would be … let’s say … “situationally unwise.”
But as adults, you can choose to speak or act unwisely if you want to. (As Mr. Rainey reportedly did.) And roll the preverbial dice as to what others might decide the consequences could be.
HTH – As the Grail Knight said in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade … “choose wisely”.
by Fisherman7272 on Nov 1, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Same Old Team
We have a better team than the one we lost to yesterday.
This is the third season in a row that we have fielded a worse team than generally expected.
We all know the definition of insanity.
Our program should be better than this; we need change.
Change in the wind....?
I agree with the blog…for several years we have fielded a better team…yet we have a hic-up and drop a game to the gators. remember the SEC champ team….only loss …gators…..cost? National title.
Richt is a nice guy but he is not one to go for the throat. I hate to see him go but he does not have the drive, the killer instinct nor the intuative ability to become a championship coach. He kept willie way too long and looks the same with bobo.
As long as Richt is there he will end up just like bobby cox of the braves….an eventual losser with great talent. better talent for years but cant get the job done….cox should have had a string of world seires runs and wins…..but one year he had overwhelming talent that overcame his entiptidue as a coach…..Richt is the same…..he is not a ultimate winner…..UGA will continue to have mediocre results as long as he reamins.
Move the game out of Jax and make it home-n-home…..the school looses too much money as a result of this current arrangement…..netural site my A$$!
by conyersdawgfan on Oct 31, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
I was calling for CMR's head earlier this year, but...
we have to stick with him, at least for another year. As has been mentioned ad nauseum on this blog, it would be too expensive to get rid of him before next season, and I truly believe this team will be fantastic next year. The D will have had a year to gel and an offseason to review and adapt. Aaron Murray is the answer. The main issues we’ll face are that we have no next tier RBs, we have to replace AJ Green, and we need “slight” improvement in our pass coverage. We do have some solid receivers and tight ends and perhaps an actual talented RB will emerge. As for the secondary, I’ll start praying now and see what happens next year.
I’m still pumped up because they didn’t lay down and die last night. So how about we focus on the remainder of this year, ruin some War Eagle dreams, and kick our little sister’s ass!!!
The Pillar of Pessimism, the Narrator of Negativity, and the Dictator of Doubt is here to rain on your Utopian Parade.
if CMR loses 6 games next year - I maybe there with you. Funny though, that is highly unlikely as you stated.
Apparently CMR isnt owed one bad year in 10 or the chance to bounce back.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
One bad year?
There is a clear negative trend since the ’07 season.
This is three years in an row that we have been a substantially worse team than generally expected. Just look at the preseason vs. postseason rankings — underperformance.
His chance to rebound was ’09 and ’10
In a business, a CEO with similar performance would be fired.
Blame who or what you want, but all of those players behind bars doesn’t show me that this team is buying into the message. If you can’t be disciplined off the field, how can you expect them to play disciplined football — I think the two are more related than we think.
I understand the frustration, but I think it boils down to
who would replace CMR. Are we really ready to jeopardize ending up like UT by nixing a coach that’s been successful, but held on to Slick Willie for too long, for the chance of landing a Saban or Meyer. I wouldn’t want either one of them. BTW, how is Michigan, Tennessee, and Notre Dame doing this year?
I’m telling you, this team has hit bottom and is turning the corner. If we get rid of CMR now, we’ll be in the cellar for years.
The Pillar of Pessimism, the Narrator of Negativity, and the Dictator of Doubt is here to rain on your Utopian Parade.
This doesn’t mean I’m in favor of canning CMR but the argument “who would we hire” is a non-starter. There are no sure hires. Meyer wasn’t a sure thing when he was hired. UGA may have “turned the corner” but we just lost to the worst UF team in 20 years with a better QB.
I disagree.
Mark Richt is the third-longest tenured head football coach in Georgia history in terms of games coached at the school. He has more wins, fewer losses, and a better winning percentage than either of the two guys ahead of him (Vince Dooley and Wally Butts) at the same point in their careers; he has the same number of SEC championships that those coaches had at the same point in their careers. He has a winning record against every significant rival except Florida. By the numbers, he’s the best coach we’ve ever had.
It’s reasonable to ask who would do better before accepting the premise that he should be replaced. No, no one is a sure thing, but Urban Meyer had been successful everywhere he’d been, and he was highly sought by more than one school for a reason. Certainly, there was a straight-faced argument for the proposition that Urban Meyer would be an improvement upon Ron Zook. Isn’t it fair to ask that an advocate of firing Mark Richt provide us the name of a candidate we could hire for whom a straight-faced argument could be made that he was an improvement?
Go 'Dawgs!
Who comes next is important.
Who has improved after firing their coach the past few years?
Alabama: Yes, but with the Cowboys losing again today what is the liklihood that Jerry Jones will be calling Nick Saban.
Mississippi: No
Arkansas: Probably
UT: Nope
Auburn: Yes
Ole Miss and especially UT look to be set up to wonder in the wilderness. If you think the fanbase is unruly now, imagine it on the current UT or Ole Miss glidepath.
by Bard Parker on Oct 31, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
After last night
I am a changed man. If Richt doesn’t win in Jacksonville next year, he’s gotta go.
There. I said it.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
I would ....
…respectfully disagree. Last year, down 21-7 at half, that team would have folded. This one did not. Where did Richt fail yesterday? He didn’t fail to come back to the ball on the first INT, or not catch the ball on the second. Despite what Mark Bradley writes, Corch did not out-coach Richt. Corch had Rainey back, Demps healthy, a bye week to put in the hurry up and a 3-QB rotation. Depite all that UGA holds UF scoreless in the first QTR (even with a short field for UF’s first series). They then go on a 17-3 run to tie the game in the second half. The D held UF to a 33% third down conversion percentage, and the one 3rd and log conversion was a great catch with the defender in position. The D was agressive with multiple sacks. Much was made last week that without the turnovers the UK game would have been much closer. I would say that without the turnovers yesterday we win running away.
While the result was suboptimal, I feel better than after Colorado or MSU.
Agreed, Bard Parker.
A redshirt freshman playing the biggest game of his career in his home state had a bad case of the jitters, particularly in the first half, and that was the difference in the ballgame. In terms of effort, overall execution, and coaching, it was as close and as good a matchup between these two teams as we’ve seen in many, many years.
Go 'Dawgs!
Dave
You are surrounded by gators. You have it even harder than many of the rest of us. Sigh…. Hang in there.
At this point, I'm with you
I’m done with the sugarcoating of it. Yes, Richt’s overall record is wonderful and he’s done a great job of beating everybody else on the schedule. If we want to ever accomplish our goals with regularity (winning the East/SEC/being in the national title discussion), that road is highly leveraged on success against the Gators. Despite all his other wonderful accomplishments, 2-8 is really hard to ignore. I know it’s hard to swallow, but this type of futility against one of our largest rivals would not be accepted elsewhere and it should not be accepted in Athens. If Mark Richt cannot win in Jacksonville next year, his fate should be sealed.
http://hobnailboot.wordpress.com/
If we want to ever accomplish our goals with regularity (winning the East/SEC/being in the national title discussion), that road is highly leveraged on success against the Gators.
Well, except for in 2002, 2003, 2005, and 2007. But otherwise… yeah, you’re totally right.
(Hey, I want to beat the Gators more than anyone else here, and it’s certainly more favorable to our chances of winning conference and national titles if we beat them. But it is not a time to engage in more hyperbole.)
by vineyarddawg on Nov 1, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
tell me one player behind bars please.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
There are, obviously, none, it’s just a talking point/sound bite. Kind of like the CEO argument, which ignores that there is, generally speaking, enough money to keep most major companies profitable, while the limited nature of wins absolutely requires that some coaches ‘underperform’ each year.
"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs
by AdamLilly on Oct 31, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Regarding disciplined football, the penalties have improved substantially.
Yesterday, Georgia had two penalties and Florida had nine. Given the Gators’ problems, on and off the field, is Florida an undisciplined program whose coach has lost control? Should Urban Meyer be fired, or should he be forgiven because he displays the “killer instinct” to call time-outs while leading by 39 points?
Go 'Dawgs!
Bobby Cox a loser?
You must be kidding.
"...maybe a couple bottle rockets/light the fuse/point it out the window and watch it/ okay, maybe not, nevermind/ let's be responsible/where's the moonshine?
Yeah, that’s a bit strong, but point to a manager who was blessed with three hall of fame starters who accomplished less?
Come on...
Cox is in the top five all time winningest managers. His teams won the division 15 years in a row—something nobody’s ever done in any sport. The knock is that he only won the one World Series, but to me, that’s an indictment of the playoff format more than the man. Not to get into another BCS debate, of course…
I thought Scarlett was an overbearing skank
Lying to her sister’s fiance that her sister was married? And he didn’t verify this but just married her? And then didn’t have the marriage annulled after discovering he had been duped? WTF?
I inadvertently just posted this in the wrong place, so I’ll post it here too:
Why DO they play it in J’ville every year? Auburn and Bammer used to play in that dump of a stadium in a scruffy little’hood in B’ham every year. Pat Dye proposed playing in Auburn and Bammer refused. Dye told them that if Auburn’s stadium is good enough for Georgia, Florida, Tennessee ad nauseam, it’s DAMN sure good enough for Bammer; and if they don’t want to come, we’ll just cancel them. They came. Dumb Bammers. Pat Dye was pretty funny. He also refused to do the Halloween thing at his house for all the kids of Auburn like Tuberville later agreed to do and Chizick or whatever his name is does now. Dye was quite fond of the drink and once cursed out a bunch of kids who asked for his autograph after leaving the bar of a restaurant downtown.
Anyway, back to Georgia and playing in J’ville every year. Do you really think that is a disadvantage? J’ville is much closer to Gainesville than Athens, but also much closer to Atlanta than Miami. So I’m not sure if it is all that much of a "home game" for Florida. You could see if Valdosta will loan you their little field and play there. That is my advice. I do what I can to help.
Today is not the day to stir the pot.
Your 16-year-old Tiglesmen antics are getting real old real fast.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 31, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How anyone could think that we have the right coaches
for future success is beyond me
We are absolutely further away from competing for a NC than several years ago
If your only measure of success is a NC, then yes, we have failed in that category under CMR.
However, so have, what is it, the other 115 NCAA Div 1 schools or so in the last 10 years.
"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker
Measure of success should be SEC championships
And to be honest, the last five years have not been kind on that front, either. ‘07 was the only year we were really in it, after doing our best to play ourselves out of it early on. (This year wasn’t even that close.)
Mark Richt is a great man, and has been a great coach. Earlier this year was the first time I have ever thought we should make a change; I’ve come back around on that, given that I think Richt has made some key changes that have made us better and will have us competing again soon. Unfortunately, I do think next year should be THE year where we are back to 2002-2005 form. If that’s not the case, then we will have to soberly and objectively address the program’s future.
(Obviously, things like “winning the right way” should matter, too. But winning has to matter. I don’t think any of us would be happy being Vanderbilt.)
I agree with Kyle.
That was an excellent post.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 31, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hear, hear!! Not to be confused with...
hear, hear which means absolutely nothing.
The Pillar of Pessimism, the Narrator of Negativity, and the Dictator of Doubt is here to rain on your Utopian Parade.
Alabama fans had reason to think that after their first year in the 3-4 defense in 2007, too.
Heck, they lost to Louisiana-Monroe, who was a lot worse than Colorado.
Eventually, the defense gelled, as ours clearly is doing, and they went on a run.
Alabama looked a lot farther away from competing for a national championship in 2007 than they had a couple of years before, in the best year of Mike Shula’s tenure, but they were a lot closer than anyone expected, as they’ve proven pretty much constantly ever since.
Go 'Dawgs!
Trick-or-treat
So a kid just game to my door dressed as Tim Tebow for Halloween. He was doing the chomp as I opened the door.
Yes, I live in central Florida. Yes, I have a huge concrete Bulldog on my patio. Yes, I have a huge UGA flag hanging from my front portico. Yes, this child left Law Dawg’s residence sans candy. No, I don’t feel the slightest pang of guilt over it.
"Dorsey Hill thinks when you die you go to Vince Dooley's house. He can't wait." --The Incomparable Lewis Grizzard
by Law Dawg on Oct 31, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Just curious - How old was the kid?
Trying to figure out how I would have responded in a similar situation.
"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 31, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my first post since arriving home from Jax...
and you are my hero.
"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell
well not now...
but in 8 or 9 or 10 years, some kid from Central Florida, who grew up idolizing Tebow and hating Georgia, will do something to gash the Dawgs badly, and you’ll always wonder how big a bitch Karma really is.
(Easy for me to say, no trick-or-treaters who came to my house this year were dressed as football players.)
by Fisherman7272 on Nov 1, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He was probably 12 or 13...
…and certainly old enough to appreciate what the huge 50 lb bulldog on my front porch represented, especially when juxtaposed with what transpired yesterday evening. His mother shouting go Gators certainly didn’t do anything to improve my mood, or, for that matter, her kid’s chances of scoring some Reeses.
"Dorsey Hill thinks when you die you go to Vince Dooley's house. He can't wait." --The Incomparable Lewis Grizzard
GWTW is my favorite book of all time,
Although it ends with the happy thought that tomorrow is another day, we don’t know what really happened. Maybe for all that confidence in her ability, she didn’t get Rhett back. Maybe chasing after Rhett at that point was just a continuation of the tragedy of chasing after Ashley when he didn’t love her either. Maybe she didn’t try to get Rhett back, returned to Tara with a hefty divorce settlement and started a cotton empire.
Just not sure what the lessons are for us there!?!
Just hope that we don’t look to tomorrow to continue the same mistakes as today just hoping for a better result.
Although I was the one that used the term...
… I agree with you, hbtd. In fact, “Tomorrow is another day,” was actually just a term used by Scarlett over and over again to repress her emotions and avoid dealing with the situations in which she found herself.
Instead of dealing with her problems, Scarlett frequently just said, “Oh well,” and turned around and walked in another direction. Except instead of, “Oh well,” she actually said something more poetic. Saying, “Tomorrow is another day,” makes her courageous and spunky instead of shifty and irresponsible.
After last night, though… I was due for a little repression. :-)
by vineyarddawg on Oct 31, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, Margaret Mitchell said in at least one interview that she believed . . .
. . . Scarlett didn’t get Rhett back. Given the circumstances of their split, I tend to believe that’s the case.
Go 'Dawgs!
i hated the movie
didn’t think the book was so bad, not as good as GWTW by a long shot, but the movie was ATROCIOUS
I can bake like a demon.
I think the most important thing
about Scarlett is that she never gave up, she never laid down and waited for someone else to come along and save her. She tried a few times to get someone else to take the burdens off her shoulders, but the second she realized no one was going to take care of things for her, she squared her shoulders and set to work. Scarlett faced adversity and her own demons repeatedly, and most of the time (not all of the time) she came out on top.
I can bake like a demon.
Good point.
You’re right, that is the essence of “tomorrow is another day” (and, for that matter, “I’ll never go hungry again”). I only made the point about Margaret Mitchell’s interview comments because the question was brought up about whether she got Rhett back. :)
Go 'Dawgs!
I'm kind of a huge GWTW fan
and I think for the most part the movie did a very poor job of explaining Scarlett’s motivations. I truly believe she is one of the most misunderstood characters ever.
I can bake like a demon.
As God is my witness, we will never lose to a lesser Gator team again!
And all though she put poverty behind her in the end, it didn’t happen overnight, like the development of an SEC caliber defense won’t happen overnight.
I Thought I Would Cast the Members of "Dawg Sports" in GWTW.
So far, I have Kyle as Henry Hamilton, Podunk Dawg as Melanie Wilkes, Vineyard Dawg as Emma Slattery, DavetheDawg as Archie and hbtd as Belle Watling. I’ll continue time permitting.
I don’t like Scarlett and don’t understand why people are so enamored with her. She was a self-indulgent, simplistic and silly woman. And dense too. She didn’t even go to LaGrange Female Institute (now LaGrange College) like her none-too-bright herself Aunt Pittypat. She barely made it through the little prep school in Fayetteville. She was more interested in being flirtatious and melodramatic. Histrionic Personality Disorder is my Axis II diagnosis for her. Probably need to rule out ADHD too. I did admire her mom.
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One has to remember, podunkdawg...
… that Stephen1980 is about 0.75 notches above “troll.” He acts like a 16-year-old that knows how to push enough buttons to tick people off but not get banned. One must treat him as such.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 31, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i just think it's silly
not to include two of the central characters of the book. Besides, I’ve seen you – you don’t look or act a thing like Emma Slattery.
I can bake like a demon.
I haven't read enough to assign anyone as Ashley or Rhett.
I’m no huge fan of Rhett either. We need total sociopaths for both Scarlett and Rhett.
by Stephen1980 on Oct 31, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I read the book
and couldn’t quite stomach the entire movie. I did think about Vineyard Dawg as Prissy, but decided to go with Emma.
by Stephen1980 on Oct 31, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so just because it amuses me
I suppose i can see why you would cast Kyle as Henry (a lawyer thing I suppose), but why did you cast the rest of us as you did?
I can bake like a demon.
I meant I haven't yet read enough of the postings of "Dawg Sports"
members to gather who has Anti-Social Personality Disorder enough to insult them with being Rhett or Scarlett.
by Stephen1980 on Oct 31, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps you might consider such a characterization as an insult
and yet those you assign these roles to may not?
I personally think there is a greater depth of character to both Rhett & Scarlett than you seem to think there is.
I can bake like a demon.
While I wouldn't say I'm anti-social
I almost certainly have a personality disorder and am likely becoming dangerously unhinged… perhaps I could be the rogue pony that sends Bonnie to meet her maker.
"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard
by RedCrake on Oct 31, 2010 11:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nonsense, Emma.
(I put this in the wrong place initially in case anyone is wondering why I am replying to Emma twice.)
by Stephen1980 on Oct 31, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
His online handle is "vineyarddawg."
If you want to cast him in a role in a “Gone With the Wind” remake, that’s one thing, but please don’t address him as “Emma” unless he asks you to do so (as I am reasonably certain he won’t).
Go 'Dawgs!
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