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You're on notice, dawg! Week 8

Well, I think we can now say with 100% certainty that Excessivus and the rest of the college football gods are just finicky.  They act and react as they please, and any attempt to discover their ways is met with extreme indifference at best, and extreme prejudice at worst. This week, I think the dialogue went something like this:

Minor college football god: "Hey, Excessivus!  This vineyarddawg guy thinks he has us figured out!" 

Excessivus: "... oh, I'm sorry, what's that?  I was busy setting up the 60" Plasma 3D TV that Les Miles sent over."

MCFG: Check out this silly little "on notice" post. Dude thinks he knows how we operate.

(Sound of wild, cackling laughter.)

E: "Well, let's see... what's the largest word listed on your little board, little man?  Ah, there it is... King.  Let's see what we can do about that..."

(smites Caleb King)

E: "Done!  What's next?"

MCFG: "I don't know, I'm bored.  Let's check out that 3D TV!"

 

Since I'm now aware that the college football gods know that I know that they know about my study of them, I've decided to simply list my "on notice" board in random order from here on out.  There's nothing to be gained from raising the gods' ire.

One final note before the business; those of you who pay too much attention to insignificant minutiae are probably thinking, "Wait, last week's entry said, 'Week 6.' Why does this week's say 'Week 8?'"  Well, you've got some nerve questioning me, mister. (Insert angry Troy McClure picture that I couldn't find here.) 

Besides, there's a good explanation.  Since I do this at the beginning of the week, I'm actually putting people on notice for the following week.  That means I should be labeling my "on notice" segments by upcoming week, not the week that has just been completed. (This is only my third week doing this, after all... I'm still learning the ropes. Your forbearance is appreciated.)

In no particular order, those on notice this week are:

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1) Michael Adams - Why Michael Adams?  Because he's a jerk, has stolen money from and is a disaster for University, and everybody that has ever worked with him hates him. Plus, I have it from a very authoritative source inside the UGA administration that he has already spoken personally with Bobby Petrino about becoming the next head coach of the Georgia Bulldogs. Any other questions?

 

2) Ole Miss Fans - Ok, I get it that the mascot thing is a sensitive issue. At Red Cup Rebellion (the Ole Miss entry at SBNation), however, this whole thing has gone ham.  The discussion quickly deteriorated from strong disagreement about the mascot choice to little more than a Jerry Springer show, with each side alternating calling each other a carpetbagger or a racist inbred redneck.  (This concession speech by Hotty Toddy, though, is absolute gold.)

Come on guys... it's just a bear.  Alabama has an elephant as a mascot, even though their actual nickname is a thinly-veiled reference to menses. Tennessee has a coonhound mascot, even though they're actually named after the people taking your name at those Red Cross blood drives.  And Auburn... jeebus, don't even get me started. 

I would have preferred the landshark, but even so... it's just a bear.  Move on.

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And he looks so friendly, too.  I'll bet he even has candy.

 

3) Georgia's Timeouts - This issue was widely misunderstood on Saturday.  See, many people think that the coaching staff severely mismanaged their timeout situation at the beginning of the first half.  In reality, though, they had learned just after kickoff that the timeouts had reached an agreement to sell their game-worn position on the Sanford Stadium scoreboard for $1,000 to a "complete stranger" from Gainesville, Florida named Urban something-or-other.  The coaches were making the only reasonable decision in kicking the timeouts out of the game as soon as possible.

(Hey, timeouts... see the picture below re: getting it together.)

 

4) Clever Students - Many people commented on the students whose bodies were painted in green yesterday, and my family earnestly tried to figure out just what the heck they had painted on their bodies.  After poring through my DVR'ed copy of the game, I can now definitively say that the students, whose bodies were all painted green, had painted on their chest the following words:  "Adriel (space) Jeremiah #1."

Adriel Jeremiah, as you might by now surmise, would be the proper name of the individual we know as A.J. Green.  This was one of the most awesome and clever ideas thought up by the students who paint their bodies every week, but even so, why did they paint their bodies so poorly as to make it almost impossible to read what they had written?  The kids sitting just to their right painted their bodies in such a way as to make it clear that their art said, "Georgia Dawgs." 

These two groups really need to get their heads together, because I really (really) would like to see a set of green-painted bodies lauding Adriel Jeremiah Green at another home game in the future.

 

5) The ACCPD - AdamLilly called me out for taking "Players getting arrested" off the board last week, and he does have a point.  When I reflect on the legal situation vis a vis the Georgia Bulldogs football team, however, I can only come to the conclusion that it is no longer the players whom I should be calling out.  It is the Athens-Clarke County Police Department. 

I have great respect for police officers, the crap they get put through on a regular basis, and the danger that they put themselves in for all of us on a daily basis.  For years, though, it has seemed that there is a seedy underbelly in the ACCPD that gets its kicks by targeting UGA athletes.  In situations where other college-age students might get a warning or just a ticket (or, many times, just an annoyed glare), Georgia athletes get locked up faster than you can say, "Fulmer Cup."

Take Caleb King's situation, for instance.  His brother called him to drive his car home, and instead of merely checking to see that he had a driver's license, the ACC cops did a database check on both Caleb and the guy that drove him to come and pick up his brother's car.  That kind of "vigilance" seems far too well-timed to be a random occurrence.

The higher-ups in the ACCPD need to kick somebody's butt and get their act together.  They should focus on doing a better job of serving and protecting the people of Athens-Clarke County instead of squeezing athletes just because they're more well-known than many other Athens residents.  In short...

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6) The entire Eastern Division of the SEC - After the events of Week 7, there are now exactly zero teams in the SEC East with a winning conference record. If Vanderbilt can somehow find a way to beat South Carolina this Saturday in Nashville, then no matter what happens the rest of the day, the Commies will be alone in first place in the SEC East. I don't believe I need to explain this any further.  Come on boys... step it up.

 

7) The Florida Gators - I don't care if it's 2 weeks away.  Unlike the team, I am afforded the luxury of looking ahead to the next opponent after this one.  Georgia's last two wins, combined with Florida's last two losses, have given me hope, and hope leads to disappointment, which leads to depression, which leads to hate, which leads to suffering...

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I sense much hope in you.

... I'm sorry, where was I?  Oh, right.  We're coming, Gators.  We might not win (again), but you'd better damn well be ready if you want to get within 6 games of evening up the all-time series.

(I hate Florida.)

 

8) Students with Tickets - Once again, when the first ball was kicked on Saturday, there was an entire section and a half that was empty in the west endzone. The north east upper deck did seem to be about half full, so there was some improvement, but not enough to get the students off the board.  I understand that the administration's handling of student ticket distribution is partially to blame here, but come on.  You kids need to either get out and support your team, or the athletic department needs to pare back the size of the student section and sell the tickets to people who actually want to come to the game.

(Please reference the previous "get it together" picture above.)

 

This week brings our next road game, and the first since we seemed to have righted the ship.  I have to attend the wedding of a close family friend next Saturday night, but I look forward to announcing at the wedding reception, "There ain't nothing like being a Bulldog on Saturday night after a Georgia victory!"

Go Dawgs!

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That bear...

looks like it needs a prosthetic.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Oct 17, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Your revelation about the origin of the Alabama mascot

May be my favorite thing I’ve ever read on the interwebs.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 17, 2010 7:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I kinda glossed over that at first...

it was pretty damn funny!

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."
-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Oct 17, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm admittedly out of the loop.

Whats going on with the ticket policy that is keeping out students? Its kind of dissapointing to see all of these wild and raucous stadiums on TV, but if you look at ours it has the enthusiasm of a country kitchen buffet when they bring out a new container of hamburger steak (which isn’t that horrible I guess).

by mbrd71 on Oct 17, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

They distribute student tickets through student i.d.‘s now, so if some students happen to be lukewarm fans and decide not to attend a game, they can’t sell or otherwise distribute the ticket to someone who wants to go.

As a relatively recent grad, I used to get second hand student tickets all the time (back when they were actually paper tickets), and I would just use my old student i.d. to get where I needed to go.

I think they made the switch to card tickets in order to prevent people with no intentions of going to the games from turning around and selling their season tickets for profit. But the way they have it set up now has contributed to the attendance problem that we’re currently seeing.

by get swoll yunel on Oct 17, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for figuring out what was up with the guys in green.

I noticed it, and was puzzled by it, but I didn’t give it enough thought to figure out what they were doing. Kudos on sussing out their meaning.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 17, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

4) Clever Students

Am I the only one to whom this made complete sense, with or without writing?

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs

by AdamLilly on Oct 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no way that’s it. Maybe it’s just my (documented) love of Green Man :)

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs

by AdamLilly on Oct 18, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

A correction
“Wait, last week’s entry said, ‘Week 6.’ Why does this week’s say ‘Week 8?’” Well, you’ve got some nerve questioning me, mister. (Insert angry Troy McClure picture that I couldn’t find here.)

Shouldn’t the parenthetical statement say, “I’m (insert age here), I can take it! I’m a man!!!”? I thought so.

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

You are a fool for hating on Michael Adams.

He has tripled the endowment, improved the national profile of UGA educationally in a massive way, saved the football program, saved the basketball program (twice), and is a talented enough political force that he can help UGA overall in a lot of ways.

The fact that people can find things to hate about him is evidence only of how busy and active he is trying to improve things. Eventually he’ll do or say something for haters to hate on.

We are blessed and fortunate to have Michael Adams as president. UGA has thrived under his leadership.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

So,

when I as a student was refused admission to a classroom which would have served to enhance the education experience for me and my classmates, as the instructor of the class tried to impress on Dr. Adams, I should feel like he has the student’s best interest at heart?

Sorry, that’s my one of my two personal experiences with Dr. Adams, and I don’t care for him too much due to those experiences.

As far as saving the basketball program, I’m pretty sure he almost single handedly destroyed said program with his hire of his buddy Jim Harrick too.

I don’t really know that much more about the man, you obviously do. Just wanted to put in my reasoning for dislike for the man.

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anecdotal stories like the above are irrelevant, largely because they are unverifiable and extremely trivial in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore, your “example” is so impossibly vague that it didn’t even make any sense.

See the above referenced things for what matter.

The #1, #2, #3…… #100th job of a University President is to raise money. Adams has done that marvelously. He’s done that by raising the academic reputation of the University and saving the football and basketball programs. Those are just facts.

Hating on Michael Adams is just foolish in the extreme.

Like it or not Eric, the value of your diploma today is dramatically superior to what an identical diploma had 20 years ago under previous, inferior Presidents. So you have benefited personally to an enormous degree from Michael Adams.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you elaborate on how Michael Adams saved the football and basketball programs?

I’m not trying to be confrontational BTW… I’ve just never heard that argument made before and I’m curious as to the particulars.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 17, 2010 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Football: Ditching Dooley as AD (he was an utter failure of an AD), making the move from Donnan to Richt.

Basketball: Again by ditching Dooley. Then the Harrick hire (its not his fault Harrick decided to cheat), dealing with Harrick swiftly and effectively, and the Mark Fox hire. Many like to point to the Harrick hire as a failure, but it saved UGA’s slide back to irrelevance after the Tubby departure and Jirsa suckitude. We’d have had no chance at Fox without those years of recent success under Harrick.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

I respectfully disagree at least in part on your statements.

First, Fox isn’t here because of Harrick. To say that he is comes across as unverifiable to me. I’ve never heard Fox mention Harrick, ever.

Second, it may not be Adams’ fault that Harrick decided to cheat, but Dr. Adams knew the history of the coach he hired. It’s not like the junk he pulled at UGA was a first, or even a second, offense for Mr. Harrick.

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really can’t read, can you?

If we’d gone Jirsa → Some other Loser → Felton all in a row, 10+ years in a row of losing, we’d never have been able to land a coach like Fox.

Get it?

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

You’re just a jewel of a poster at this point. Sure I can read. I can read that you have no desire to offer anything other than conjecture and supposition on why certain coaches have been hired.

I get that you have the opinion that if some other loser coach had been hired at UGA to head up the basketball program, then Coach Fox wouldn’t have been hired. Can you prove that? I think not. Can you prove that another coach wouldn’t have performed as well or better than Harrick? I think not. Get it?

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do I really have to prove to you that 10 straight years in a row of solid suck makes it harder to hire a coach than only 4-5 years of suck?

Seriously?

Should I arrange a room with a projector to show you graphs and such?

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats just wrong

"One thing I will never do as long as I’m at Georgia is lose to Florida." - Herschel Walker

by tankertoad on Oct 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dr. Adams its okay

You dont need to keep using the phony name to make your point.

Over; in an effort to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, MaconDawg will be a consumer of Tennessee Oil (read: Jack Daniel’s) and will require approximately 3.5 barbecue sandwiches to remain spry and ready to cheer on the Dawgs. -hailtogeorgia

by n.crees on Oct 18, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It most certainly *is* Adams fault that Harrick cheated.

Jim Harrick’s most high profile job was as the head coach at UCLA, where he won a national championship in 1995. Harrick was ultimately fired from UCLA for providing illegal benefits for student-athletes and then lying about it both to the school and to the NCAA.

Harrick’s next coaching stop was at Rhode Island, where he became embroiled in controversy as the subject of a sexual harassment suit that was settled out of court.

Finally, Michael Adams decided to roll out the red carpet once again for Harrick at Georgia, where he was eventually fired for providing illegal benefits for student athletes and then lying about it both to the school and the NCAA.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. As a cheater himself, Michael Adams should have known that.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

> It most certainly is Adams fault that Harrick cheated.

Retarded.

Utterly, utterly retarded.

Just admit you hate Adams because he kicked Dooley to the curb, and stop with the twisted mental gymnastics requires for these other stupid excuses.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was attempting to type an evenhanded, reasonable reply to your arguments below...

… but since you have now called me “a fool” and “retarded” in successive posts, it seems clear that you’re not interested in a calm, reasonable discussion.

I’ll just get off at this stop.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about next time you get off before you spew irrational hate towards a hard working man who has done nothing but massively improve the value of a diploma from the school we both love?

How’s that sound? Deal?

It absolutely enrages me to listen to people defame a man to whom they actually owe an enormous debt of gratitude.

I have absolutely no connection or bias towards Michael Adams. I’ve never met him. I’ve never met anyone even related to him.

Michael Adams has done more good for UGA than anyone else this century, and more than most last century as well. He should be appreciated. But idiot sports fans too busy slobbering over Dooley’s miracle 1980 title can’t stop themselves for slavishly hating on the man.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I can tell

from your posts in this thread, the only thing you like about Georgia is that Michael Adams is the president of the University of Georgia.

The tone of your posts comes across as snippy and condescending at best, and down right hateful at worst.

Wow. Just wow.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re-read then, please.

Do you really disagree that the political situation is anything less that horrendously broken in Georgia?

Atlanta is a total disaster – largely due to racially charged politics. Need an example? MARTA.

Remember about 10 years ago when Georgia was poised to really make a name for itself by connecting 5 or so of its biggest cities by an incredibly efficient and green light rail? Remember when it failed utterly because every random jackass county insisted their population of 217 people get a stop? And then all those counties used their votes to sandbag the whole project?

I lived more than half of my life in Georgia, and another quarter of it in a city that may as well have been in Georgia (~30 miles from the border, with our “big city” being in Georgia). I’d love for things to be different, but they aren’t.

The three best things to happen to Georgia in the last 30 years are Zell Miller, Herschel Walker, and Michael Adams (possibly in that order). And the sad thing is there are tons of people who love to hate on the first and last of those.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We went straight from Jim Harrick to Mark Fox?

Wow, what a home run!

by get swoll yunel on Oct 17, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading is fundamental.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying that the Harrick years, which were marred by numerous improprieties and ultimately resulted in our program being placed on probation, were actually a boon to our basketball program and thus helped us to land Mark Fox 6 years after the fact? Interesting take there.

So if Adams was responsible for hiring Fox (which is an odd claim to make), was he also responsible for hiring Dennis Felton? The same Dennis Felton who led our program on a road to nowhere? Or does Adams only get the credit when the hires work out?

Reading is indeed fundamental, Muckbeast, but so is coming out of that alternate reality that you seem to be immersed in. Your role as “video game CEO” has apparently sent you off the deep end.

by get swoll yunel on Oct 18, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more thing I should note.

I live in Lexington, Kentucky where to this day you still hear people complain about how UK lost out on hiring Adams as their President when UGA beat them out. Adams took Centre Collect (located in Danville, KY) from obscurity to prominence on the national scale, and tripled their endowment as well.

The real source of all this foolish hate is that Adams forced out Dooley. Dooley was a total disaster of an AD and but for 1 lucky recruit (Herschel Walker) would have been an average (at best) coach. He was WAY over his head and WAY past his “prime” (laughable at best that he ever had a prime) as AD. Thank god Adams had the guts and the will to get rid of him.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

While my dislike for Adams is no secret

It certainly has nothing to do with Vince Dooley.

My primary beef with Adams is that during my time in graduate school he arbitrarily instituted additional fees on two separate occasions without so much as explaining to the student body why he was doing so or where the money would go.

Also, I’m now working on my doctorate at the University of Missouri as an out of state student because it is significantly cheaper than attending the state’s flagship university which is 20 minutes from my house (which I would vastly prefer). This is unacceptable to me and is either Adams’ doing or something he should change.

So in my case, its a personal dislike but also one based on verifiable evidence.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My wording on that last sentence was a little unclear

I don’t mean that I dislike Adams personally, but that I dislike him for reasons which are personal to me.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 17, 2010 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OK Muck,

Here it is, I was in Kevin Ellis’ marketing class in the evenings. We were asking to use a classroom that had projection capabilities to present our projects. Mr. Ellis went thru the proper channels and eventually had to ask Dr. Adams if we could use the classroom. He was denied the ability to use the room even though it was empty at the time of the class. Seems a little hypocritical to me to any University official to deny access to a classroom that would make the eductional experience better. Plain and simple. Is it unverifiable? Probably, unless there’s someone else on here that was in that class back in 95 or 96.

Now, tell me again how hiring Jim Harrick saved the basketball program? I’m pretty sure that almost destroyed it.

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only is that unverifiable, but WOW is that nit picky as hell.

There’s no way for us to EVER hear the other side as to why the request was denied. There could very well have been extremely good reasons.

So you didn’t get to use a classroom with a projector? BOO FRICKIN’ HOO.

Life sucks, get a helmet already. Sheesh. Talk about holding a grudge over a stupid, irrelevant issue.

Your example proves my point. People hate on Michael Adams for the most asinine reasons, when the fact is everyone with a UGA diploma owes President Adams a ton of gratitude.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is my experience any less important than any other students?

I don’t hold a grudge over it. Didn’t even say he should be removed or anything else. Just simply stated my only experience with the man and explained that those caused me to not be particularly fond of the man.

Irrevelant? Not to those in that class. I’ll skip over the reasons you could probably come up with for preventing a class from using an open classroom.

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t even have all the facts in this trivial analogy about getting a classroom. You don’t even know if your professor really asked Dr. Adams, or if the whole issue was handled by Dr. Adams or an underling.

I sure as heck hope to god the President of the School isn’t stuck dealing with such trivialities as CLASSROOM ASSIGNMENTS for crying out loud.

So you didn’t get your projector room….. good lord. GROW UP.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have.

Trust me.

You’re correct. All I have to go on is what the instructor told us about the situation. That’s it.

Even after growing up, I still don’t have a high opinion of the man in his dealings with me personally. As far as what he’s done raising money, I’ll freely admit the University of Georgia is doing very well financially. At the same time, I hope to God you can see that Michael Adams isn’t the angel you make him out to be. His influence in some areas has definitely made some of us exclaim “Good Lord! What was Dr. Adams thinking?!?!!?”

by EricBDawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he was an angel, and I wouldn’t want an angel as the President of my University. I want someone who can RAISE MONEY. Why? Because that’s the most important job of a University President, and nothing else at the school can happen without money to pay for it.

If you think the President actually takes a hands on role in your classroom assignments you’re crazy. Blaming him for that situation is just asinine and immature.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Georgia was thriving before Michael Adams showed his slimy face in Athens...

… and Georgia will continue to thrive long after he slithers out of town.

I don’t know why you think Michael Adams “saved the basketball program (twice).” As EricBDawg says, Adams was the person who make the “judgment call” to hire Jim Harrick in spite of his history of NCAA infractions at virtually all of his previous stops. Michael Adams was also the one who made the decision to allow an exemption to the state’s nepotism policies so Jim Harrick could hire his son as an assistant coach. How did those two “judgment calls” work out for the basketball program?

Did Adams “save the basketball program” by recommending to Damon Evans that Dennis Felton be hired? Because I don’t know how well that worked out, either. (And, in fact, I think Felton was all Damon Evans’ deal. I don’t think that Adams got involved with that at all. Though, on that point, I could be mistaken.)

Michael Adams also has the following plaudits to his credit:
- He ran off Vince Dooley as athletic director during the most successful era in UGA athletics history.
- In a March, 2004, poll, 70% of the faculty of the Franklin College of Arts & Sciences voted in favor of a motion of no confidence in Michael Adams’ leadership
- In 2003, an independent auditor concluded that Michael Adams had misused and misappropriated hundreds of thousands of dollars, including an under-the-table payment to Jim Donnan, a stipend paid to Adams’ wife, and misuse of the University airplane that was at Adams’ disposal.

Georgia is a state that, over the past 20 years, has been swimming in money from IT service companies, banks and financial services companies, and real estate investment firms. I believe the technical term for that particular situation is, “shooting fish in a barrel.”

I mean, even I could have raised a crapload of money for the University of Georgia over the last 20 years in Atlanta… and if there’s one thing I am most definitely not, it is a salesman.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 17, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, UGA most certainly wasn’t thriving. It was a total joke of a school in the 70s and 80s, and not much better in the 90s. The Kemp scandal in 1982 was a total disaster (something Dooley shares the blame in), and it had an atrocious national educational reputation.

I remember when I took the SAT in 8th grade as part of the Duke Talent Identification Program, that the big joke amongst a lot of my friends was that with just the score from ONE of our sections, we could get into UGA. That’s sad.

Running off Dooley was desperately needed.

That vote in 2004 is more evidence that the President was focused on the right thing: raising money. A bunch of crazy liberal college professors don’t know jack squat about what needs to happen to make a University work.

You are absolutely crazy if you think the state of Georgia is swimming in money. I lived in the state of Georgia for most of my life, and it is a total disaster politically and economically. Its economy is completely backward, it is utterly crippled by racial politics, it is corrupted and rotten thanks to its excessive number of counties that makes it nearly impossible to make meaningful state projects work, and I could go on and on but this is not a political blog.

The disaster of Georgia’s political condition is just further evidence of Adams’ brilliance since he navigated all that and still managed to guide UGA to its peak of financial health and reputational status.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure most of the improvements seen in UGA’s academic reputation have more to do with the HOPE scholarship than with any “brilliance” shown by Adams during his tenure.

I’m not even an Adams hater, but it seems like you’re getting pretty carried away with these generalizations.

by get swoll yunel on Oct 17, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is silly to pinpoint Adams as the sole reason for UGA’s improved academic profile and increased endowment just like it’s silly to pinpoint the President for everything that is wrong with the American economy.

It is a gross oversimplification of reality.

by get swoll yunel on Oct 17, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knew that Michael Adams himself was a regular commentor on Dawgsports?!

Vineyard and T. King should be honored and horrified at the same time.

Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

I Corinthians 9:24

by Southern Dawg on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rich Whitt.....

….outlines much of the above in Behind the Hedges.
That Restasis eyedrops that you see the ads for…developed at the UGA vet school. UGA lost hundred of millions of dollars because of actions taken by the Adams administration.

by Bard Parker on Oct 17, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Bard.

I was going to respond to Muckbeast’s series of screeds involving increasingly outrageous claims, but vineyarddawg’s citation of some of the points I was going to make (including the under-the-table payment to Jim Donnan that probably delayed the Mark Richt era by three years) pretty well covered it, and your citation of Behind the Hedges clinched it.

For anyone not familiar with the forensic audit into financial irregularities during Michael Adams’s tenure, a pertinent link is here. Some Kentuckians may be sorry they missed out on Dr. Adams, but those are the same folks who ran off Tubby Smith, so there’s no accounting for taste . . . and a lot more people nationwide are glad he wasn’t selected as the new NCAA president.

Muckbeast, really, man, calm down. Your recurring uses of what I hope you intend as hyperbole are utterly gutting any valid point you may be making.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 17, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of his points have anything to do with what matters most: raising money. That’s what Adams has done a great job of.

Everything else is pretty irrelevant.

The fact that he also happens to have saved the football program from obscurity is just a gigantic bonus.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main problem with your argument

is it is based purely your opinion. Perhaps not everyone agrees that raising money is “what matters most.”
Since you believe this (and seem to assert it as fact), it follows that since Adams has done a great job of raising money (and I haven’t seen any arguments on that fact) therefore he is awesome.

It is not argued that Adams has done a great job of raising money, nor is it argued that this is important. The point of disagreement is merely raising money is not what matters most. Reasonable people may simply have to disagree on this point. It can neither be proven nor disproven.

Beyond that, the incendiary attacks, the name calling and overall tone of your posts do not incite others to consider them carefully or respond reasonably. Moreover, you’ve continued in this vein over the course of the afternoon/evening, despite others attempts to bring these things to your attention.

You’ve made your point, others have made theirs. Let’s just agree to disagree shall we?

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Oct 18, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Opinion?

How is tripling the endowment an opinion rather than a statement of facts?

But oh please, don’t let facts get in the way of your irrational hatred of a great University President.

If you and others actually gave a crap about name calling and incendiary attacks, you’d cut it out with the random, defamatory drive bys on Michael Adams in threads that shouldn’t have anything to do with him.

Think about it and look inward a bit more.

by Muckbeast on Oct 18, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I apologize if I was unclear

Your statement “what matters most: raising money,” is an opinion. Since you believe this to be a true statement, you have concluded Dr. Adams is awesome/great/etc based on the financial position of the University and his fund raising efforts.

I don’t believe I’ve made any random or defamatory drive bys on Michael Adams. I don’t believe I’ve expressed an opinion on the man or his fitness as President. Nor have I engaged in any name calling.
I have tried to point out to you that your comments may come across as inflammatory and incendiary.

You will do with that what you will, or not.

I wish you good evening.

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Oct 18, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The President of my university has brilliantly managed our endowment so that it didn’t see the huge collapse that Harvard’s did when the brunt of the recession struck in 2008/2009. This year, we’ve actually seen a 14% increase in the endowment.

Still, she is despised because of things that we — the students, the faculty, and the alumni — are all concerned with… things such as: Grade Deflation, Administrative pay, working conditions for the campus employees, maintenance of facilities, admittance policies, and very specific things to the institution like our Writing Seminar program.

Universities should not be run by CEOs.

"We should just concentrate on what we’re good at… Death Metal and interior design." – William Murderface

MMA For Real

by Anthony Pace on Oct 18, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What you're saying, then, is that . . .

. . . it’s not the size of your endowment that matters, it’s how you use it?

Seriously, you make an excellent point, Anthony. Thanks.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In the words of Jon Stewart:

Nailed it!

"We should just concentrate on what we’re good at… Death Metal and interior design." – William Murderface

MMA For Real

by Anthony Pace on Oct 19, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ran off Tubby Smith? He’s the Jim Donnan of Kentucky Basketball.

My god.

Stick to irrational hate for the great man that is Michael Adams. At least then you’re consistently wrong on a single issue.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess Calipari is their Harrick then, eh?

by get swoll yunel on Oct 18, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to feed the troll, but if we're hating on Adams...

I hate Adams for educational reasons.

- In a March, 2004, poll, 70% of the faculty of the Franklin College of Arts & Sciences voted in favor of a motion of no confidence in Michael Adams’ leadership

The above is one of them.
The single greatest teacher I had at any level first informed me of that poll, and made it very clear that the 70% number did not represent a ‘disapproval rating’ or anything like that, but was a genuine vote of no confidence. These instructors didn’t believe that Adams was capable of running UGA in a manner that would benefit the institution. I asked why. One reason was the audit results, noted above. Another was his policy of stalling on tenure tracking professors, which directly led to UGA losing 3 great professors I had from 2 different departments to other schools. Another was the policy that ran from the time I got to UGA in 2003 through the present of not replacing professors, but instead using grad students to teach classes with no professor even nominally assigned to oversee things.

Another big reason for me is this: in the 7 1/2 years that UGA has been a part of my life, I honestly don’t believe there has not been a one year period in which there has been less than $50M of campus construction. In the first years that professors were told to bring their own classroom supplies, they were told that the then-current construction had been planned years ago, and couldn’t be stopped, which I understand. But continuing the ‘grand plan’ expenses throughout a rough economic decade which has seen millions cut from the budget every year, several times losing 5% of the continually reduced budget or more a year (which resulted in “cutting bone”), is not beneficial to the University. New buildings may or may not impress alumni, and may or may not boost national prestige. But if Adams is as great at raising money as he’s credited for, why did they ask the students to approve additional fees to fund Tate II (which we were told would determine if the project went ahead or not), only to institute the fees, continue construction, and remove all the features they tried to sell the students on when the vote was a resounding ‘No’? Why have we cut courses, entire programs of study, and dozens of professorships? Why have we had to reduce the number of full-time staff positions to save on benefits costs?
Adams has, by reputation, been a great fundraiser. But contrary to what some people say, there IS more to the job than bringing money through the door, and Adams has been absolutely incompetent at that – every other part of running a University, including handling the money once it’s there.

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs

by AdamLilly on Oct 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Adams has, by reputation, been a great fundraiser. But contrary to what some people say, there IS more to the job than bringing money through the door,”

No, there isn’t.

That’s the job of the University President. Period.

Thinking it is anything else is stupid.

by Muckbeast on Oct 17, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re just going to go with conclusions and name-calling, this:

That’s the job of the University President. Period. Thinking it is anything else is stupid.
is an indefensible proposition, and you’re an idiot for suggesting it.

I feel good about the way I’ve furthered the discussion.

"It'll only be reviewed because the guys up in the booth want to watch it a few times too." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf16_mw0nxs

by AdamLilly on Oct 18, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you don’t know what the main job is of the University President (raiding money) you’re clueless and I weep for you.

by Muckbeast on Oct 18, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Muckbeast, I've tried to be polite about it, . . .

. . . because you have a track record here which generally has been solid, even if it has tended to be a tad confrontational for my tastes.

What vineyarddawg says below is a fair assessment of your approach to this whole thing. I understand that you’re impassioned upon this issue, but you’ve been making personal attack after personal attack in response to good faith efforts to engage you in debate.

If you want to debate this, do it with civility. It this continues, you’ll be receiving the formal warning that precedes a ban. Don’t take this so far that I am forced to go to those lengths.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle

Does UGA have an investment company that handles the endowment?

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by Anthony Pace on Oct 18, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know.

I would imagine that is the case, but I can’t say so for sure.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know for certain (and too lazy to look it up)...

…but as a state university, the fund is likely operated by an appointed board of advisors. The board may, in turn, seek assistance from financial advisory firms and investement research firms.

Run Lindsay Run!

by ausdawg85 on Oct 18, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

would this article not suggest that the financial health of the University is due in no small part to the donations from the Athletic Association? Do the President’s fund raising activities result in contributions to the AA or to the University directly?

I can bake like a demon.

by podunkdawg on Oct 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ad hominem attacks are serving you no purpose

Other than to piss people off.

"We should just concentrate on what we’re good at… Death Metal and interior design." – William Murderface

MMA For Real

by Anthony Pace on Oct 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm reticent to respond to you once again, Muckbeast...

… but I simply have to say this one thing. Then, you can say I’m a retarted clueless fool and continue going about your merry non-banned way.

Most of the people making an argument against Michael Adams in this thread have either quoted facts or a personal anecdote supporting their position.

Your counter-argument, in virtually every situation, has been roughly the following:
“What you said is wrong. All that matters is raising money, you idiot, and Michael Adams has tripled the University’s endowment. Now shut up or I’ll call you retarded, too.”

At this weblog, I will venture to speak for the proprietors in saying that we all appreciate opposing viewpoints and fair, reasoned (and even heated) discussion of all things relating to the University of Georgia. Personal attacks and name-calling, however, is simply not tolerated.

If you think Michael Adams has been the best President the University has ever had, that is your prerogative, and I am willing to listen to any fact-based argument you would like to make in support of this stance.

If all you can do is call people names and tell them that they just don’t know what they’re talking about and their opinion is completely wrong (without any supporting facts to support your contention that they’re wrong), then I would prefer that you surf on over to a message board, where your extreme, intolerant comments are more readily accepted and expressed en masse.

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s been president while the endowment tripled, but our peers have done significantly better. It’s not completely his fault that we wrapped up a $500 million campaign while other institutions were completing billion dollar ones, but given he was hired primarily for his fund raising prowess it is telling that we’re still light-years behind our self-identified peers in endowment.

Every institution’s academic profile has improved over the last ten years and it has very little to do with leadership. It has more to do with a nation-wide echo boom producing record numbers of high school graduates, population growth in metro ATL and the HOPE subsidy drawing those qualified students who would otherwise go out-of-state to Athens. That’s on God and Zell Miller, resp.

Take a close look at UGA’s leadership. There is no one – NO ONE – in a top position at UGA who is presidential material at a peer institution. And there are very few who came from aspirational institutions. The vast majority are internal hires with long histories at UGA who would never be sniffed for a similar position at any worthwhile peer. That’s telling about the leadership at UGA and UGA’s position in the higher education landscape.

I’ll give you football since Vince wanted to give Donnan another year. We have a basketball team?

As far as his political talent… well, it hasn’t helped UGA to realize a return to pre-9/11 funding levels from the solons in Atlanta. But I’d put that more at the feet of our inept BOR and jackass governor than anything else.

I completely agree that haters gonna hate. We have a pro-athletics president and a lot of folks don’t realize it – A LOT – because of the whole flap with Dooley. I’m not a total hater, but I couldn’t let those two points go without some mitigating comment.

I am not drunk, just overserved

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Oct 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Vince wanted to give Donnan another year in 2000.

Michael Adams’s under-the-table payment was what kept Donnan in Athens in 1997.

You can’t give Adams credit for getting rid of Donnan a year early if you don’t also give him the blame for keeping him around for the preceding three years. Getting rid of Donnan was falling on his own fumble, and his fingerprints were all over the Harrick hire.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent post!

The riddle of the green men solved…but keep the faith: we will beat Florida!

If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.

by Inteljumper on Oct 17, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

On topic comment thread...

Unacceptable!

Hunt seat equitation on the flat is for sissies! Discuss…

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 17, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wrong!

Horses with pretty ribbons. Girly girls in tight equestrian pants. Jumping tiny fences. Delicious wheels of stinky cheese. Sissies I tell you.

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 18, 2010 12:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh no you didn't!

If you're gonna do it, go ugly early.

by Inteljumper on Oct 18, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes I did!

"I want anything wearing red and black to tear the head off anything that isn't." - Lewis Grizzard

by RedCrake on Oct 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how I missed the Green Men.

I saw the painted up regulars. How do they always get those same seats?

by hbtd on Oct 18, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Show up early

and often. With body paint, it’s a recipe for hypothermia in November games; that’s why they bring lots of Turfman’s Athletic Warming Liquid in containers cleverly concealed in their clothing.

by opsomath on Oct 18, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a portion of the famous YouTube rant as my ringtone

A friend set it for me and in the process deleted all other ringtone choices. Now I always know it is my phone when I hear “Spuririer” being called out at top volume.

by hbtd on Oct 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

…So Michael Adams has REALLY talked to Petrino, or was that just a joke?

by RussIsMyHomeboy on Oct 18, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Was this recently, or when we lost 4 games in a row. I really didn’t think Petrino was allowed back in the state after what happened with the Falcons…

by RussIsMyHomeboy on Oct 18, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read

Last weeks you’re on notice, and answered my own question. Whew! I almost had a heart-attack.

by RussIsMyHomeboy on Oct 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to clear it up...

… yes, that’s a joke. I sort of have a running gag with the “I have it from a very authoritative source” thing. Who knows, though… this is how rumors start!

Sorry for damaging your heart, RussIsMyHomeboy. :-)

by vineyarddawg on Oct 18, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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